Festival infrequency

[cyan mountain]

My conundrum (guess i need to make this clear, this IS the highlight of this submission): ||I only recently returned to Wynncraft in March (the time when the most recent event, Festival of the Heroes, was rolling around). After the fact, I did research about the other festivals and found that while there is a sufficient amount of yearly festivals, they have a (in my opinion) really strange time rotation. The Festival of Heroes, Festival of the Spirits, and Festival of the Blizzard have consistently fallen around the same time frame each year. I am completely considerate that because of content priority, the Festival of Bonfire has been the odd one out and fallen on different months each year. The only thing that does puzzle me is that even at its earliest year-round appearance (July in 2023), there is an outlying gap between this Festival and the one which takes place before it (the time between the Festival of Heroes and the earliest Festival of the Bonfire was 3 months). Assuming that the Festival of the Bonfire drops on it's latest recorded time frame (September in 2022), that puts 5 months of stale cosmetic rewards and event-less time on the table. This stands out because there is only a 1-2 month gap between the rest of the Festivals including the time between Festival of the Bonfire and Festival of the Spirits. ||
TL;DR: There is a larger gap between the Festival of Heroes and Festival of the Bonfire in relevance to the noticeably shorter gap between the rest of the Festivals. Because of this, there is a long period of a dry cosmetic and engagement pool (aside from DXP weekends). Please note that I do consider that this may have been caused by content priority during some years and I am suggesting what I see as a possible solution for both players and staff team.

My take on a solution (guess i need to make this clear, this is NOT the highlight of this submission):
||Fill this gap in time periodically with mini-festivals featuring (a suggestion I saw from @twin sleet) Legacy crates, available for a shorter time. These could be individually themed crates to each separate Festival, or a conglomerate chest featuring every festival's legacy cosmetics. A mini-festival might also consist of ONE barebones version of other Festival features such as the return of a single mini-game, scavenger hunt, or a less flashy reskinned version of Detlas dedicated to mini-festivals. Being a mini-festival would mean to have no expectation set to meet the amount of content offered in a full fledged Festival so I think something small would be enough. Maybe make these available as frequently and last as long as DXP weekends or however often they may seem fit during the time between the Festival of Heroes and Festival of Bonfires. This Band-Aids the problem of cosmetic boredom that some players experience while waiting for the next Festival to come around. I am aware that this can only be as easy to execute in tongue, as to actually implement this sort of thing would be a much longer process, but I am again only suggesting to suggest for the future. Otherwise a simple fix would be to space out the Festivals more evenly throughout the year . ||
TL;DR: Basically, less comprehensive mini-festivals that would take place between FoH and FoB which offer some barebones festival features and reward players with Legacy crates which offer a pool of older cosmetics from existing Festival crates. Alternatively and much more easily, the events could just be spaced out more evenly without having a (historically recorded) 3-5 month gap between FoH and FoB while the rest have 1-2 month gaps.

MelonTheLegends' suggestion thread (information about legacy crates): https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1351790647950180372

[ancient linden]

please for the love of god the regular festival fomo is bad enough

i don't have enough time for ts 🥀

[cyan mountain]

Yeah that's why I suggested to have "mini-festivals" occur as frequently as DXP weekends, which I hope you agree is more frequent than full-fledged festivals

[floral glade]

or they could put their development time into actual updates

[deep mist]

i would rather jut have another festival placed in between those two festivals whenever dev time allows it

[ancient linden]

we got heros for spring, bonfire/spirits for autumn, blizzard for winter right

or is bonfire the summer fest

[cyan mountain]

Yeah that would be the easy request for us to make but in retrospect it's hard to ask of that as a solution at this point in time with Fruma around the corner 😅 so I tried finding an easier solution for the staff than putting together an entirely new festival

[outer totem]

regular dxp weekends as well

[floral glade]

i dont think that mini festivals are an easier solution unless its just the exact same mini festival every single time

[deep mist]

if mini festivals wer ejust btb it would be peak

[cyan mountain]

Yes that would be the idea, just a simplified festival with say one returning mini game or a less flashy reskinned Detlas used for every mini-festival. I would imagine the hardest part for development would be the Legacy crate aspect of the suggestion.

[floral glade]

if it was the exact same on every time people would just be asking for more of them by time the second one comes around

[cyan mountain]

Because of how simple they would be it would make sense for them to occur at the same frequency as DXP weekends, the idea is to give players something while we wait for up to* 5 months between Heroes and Bonfire

[outer totem]

there wasnt a dxp weekend during june to august

[floral glade]

yeah but the issue is that something would only be of interest once or twice if its the same one every time and if they were to add multiple it would be easier at that point to add another whole festival

[stable hamlet]

mini dxp weekends that allow players to purchase some of the crates from an event chosen at random each time wouldnt be bad imo 🙏

[floral glade]

probably a better solution to your problem

[stable hamlet]

"YOO THIS weekend has festival of the bonfire cosmetics, bro i have been waiting ages to get that wand fr!"

i can see it, lowk would be sick

[cyan mountain]

With this rule you're also saying that people aren't interested in DXP weekends, the point is to fill the time with something anything. Legacy crates would feature the older cosmetics from Festival crates and as time goes on those crates would continue to gain additional cosmetics as new ones for normal Festivals come in.

[floral glade]

people are interested in dxp weekends because... wait for it... they get double xp 🤯

[cyan mountain]

Yes and people are interested in Festivals, because? What stops someone from returning for a mini-festival unless they have unlocked every single cosmetic in the game?

[floral glade]

because theyre annual so it has always been a long time since they last came around

if the same one repeated every 2 months it wouldnt be of interest

[outer totem]

not every single cosmetic looks good

[cyan mountain]

You are saying that there is no point of returning to a mini festival because once you've seen it you'd never return, I would argue that at some point people won't return to a DXP weekend because they'd have already maxed all their classes and professions eventually

[floral glade]

nobody on the whole server is even close to fully maxed professions

[pure wraith]

uh

[floral glade]

and the majority of the playerbase dont have all their classes maxed in combat

[pure wraith]

there are multiple people with every prof 132

[deep mist]

yeah was abt to say

[floral glade]

i meant all classes

i guess i mightve misinterpreted that

[deep mist]

ain no one getting 132 profs on all classes

[cyan mountain]

And what fraction of the player base has every cosmetic unlocked? You're saying that you would return for DXP to do the same grind for XP but wouldn't return to a mini-festival to get more cosmetics?

[pure wraith]

nah that level 1 max profs guy might

[outer totem]

68

[pure wraith]

i cant remember his name starts with y i think

[outer totem]

noscope has 6 iirc

[outer totem]

yanpawa is nowhere close with gathering

[floral glade]

you dont need to have every cosmetic to lose interest

the difference is that there is a tangible benefit to dxp weekends which everyone can get at least something from while if you get bored of cosmetics then youre just bored of them and you no longer care

[pure wraith]

nah i was saying hes the type of guy to max prof all characters 💀

[deep mist]

anywas im pretty sure having the festival minigames come back outside of their dedicated festival event thing was already shut down so that part wouldn thappen

[outer totem]

tbf he is

[deep mist]

i would jut make the silverbull shares make dailies give a normal crate regartless of festivals tbhh thats prob the better solution for cosmetics
like whats the worst thing that could happen cosmetic inflation oh no 🙀

[cyan mountain]

I don't know how to rebute you to be honest. You're arguing from the perspective of someone who seems to not care for cosmetics. Some people may care to max more classes and profession levels and some may not care to level more than a single class. This goes the same way for cosmetics, some people may care to have them and some may not.

[stable hamlet]

guys let us all relax, clearly theres a 5 month break in between festivals for a reason. The past several years have all been leading up to this with this huge gap to make space for the incredible and long awaited FRUMA update which is dropping next week!

[floral glade]

im not biased either way because i dont care for dxp either

[cyan mountain]

I'm not saying you're biased but your argument is assuming that everybody benefits from DXP and denying that everybody could benefit from getting the aforementioned mini-festivals and/or legacy crates.

[stable hamlet]

i hate to say this but everyone does benefit from dxp 🥀
its just those who choose to take advantage of the benefit or ignore it

although you have a point that festivals are there for people to play the minigames and get the crates too

[cyan mountain]

So how are you able to disagree that "everyone does benefit from mini-festivals, its just those who choose to take advantage of the benefit or ignore it"

[stable hamlet]

for the hero event I was logging on daily to claim the crate from my daily quest but didn't really have any desire to try the minigame

[stable hamlet]

do cosmetics benefit a player in their daily grind?

its a cosmetic, its just a +1, it doesnt change anything at the base core of the game

[floral glade]

as ive pointed out before, its not that people dont benefit from the cosmetics, its that it gets stale very quickly if its the exact same thing every time

[wind sluice]

The reason it was so late in 2022 was because 2.0 was released at the same time

[stable hamlet]

I love cosmetics but yea dxp helps people actually play the game is what im saying

[cyan mountain]

Sorry, I replied to this thinking it was crturtle's message woops. Anyhow, a cosmetic doesn't "benefit" a player's daily grind, but could you say DXP benefits benefit a player's daily grind if they choose not to continue leveling classes/profs? It's a choice to benefit from DXP and it would be a choice to benefit from mini-festivals all the same. I wouldn't show up to a DXP weekend because I am content with my classes and profs, but someone else would. I would show up to a mini-festival because I want more cosmetics, but someone else might not care! It's all the same

[pure wraith]

looking at a cool cosmetic 100% helps enjoyment xd

[cyan mountain]

Yes, I am aware! Just putting the information there for the sake of the suggestion.

[stable hamlet]

that's true I would've quit wynncraft a while back if I didn't have an amibition to gamble all my stx on silverbull shares to get crates all to get nothing 🙏

[floral glade]

the point is that people can continue to benefit from dxp for a very long time and some people have been using every dxp to its fullest for 5 years

a mini festival on the other hand would be enjoyed by most people at first but would get stale if the exact same thing repeats every time

[pure wraith]

i gambled all my money and got the cosmetic i wanted in the end

[stable hamlet]

I envy you

[pure wraith]

but i still dont play the game 💀

[calm pasture]

Dxp weekend are the "mini events" between large events

[cyan mountain]

How can you be sure that someone isn't going to continue benefiting from legacy crates over the course of 5 years? These two statements together assume that several people will return for each DXP and that nobody will return for a mini-festival. DXP weekends remain the same every time they return and still bring players in while they are active. Why wouldn't a mini-festival with updated legacy chests for every year as new cosmetics are added not bring in players?

[wind sluice]

Also I'm really not sure what about these mini festivals in your suggestion makes them mini in any way

[cyan mountain]

It is definitely subjective to personal preference but can't I say that DXP weekends are stale now that I have all the classes I want maxed?

[floral glade]

this is just going in circles now

what im essentially trying to say is that nobody is upset over a dxp weekend and some people continue to benefit from it, while the vast majority would get bored of a repeated cosmetic event if it repeated too frequently, meaning they would just end up asking for more mini festivals which takes away the point of doing a mini festival rather than a full festival in the first place

[cyan mountain]

Taken from spoiler: A mini-festival might also consist of barebones versions of other Festival features such as the return of a single mini-game, scavenger hunt, or a less flashy reskinned version of Detlas dedicated to mini-festivals. Being a mini-festival would mean to have no expectation set to meet the amount of content offered in a full fledged Festival so I think something small would be enough.

[stable hamlet]

isn't the clear solution here wait for like a new festival to be made over the next few years or whatnot that would fill this gap? like festival of the tidal horizon or smth idek, mini festivals sounds interesting but I feel like it would cause more confusion as to where to obtain what cosmetics

i replied to the wrong msg, mb

[wind sluice]

A single minigame and a scavenger hunt is already just a normal festival minus the npcs in detlas

[desert nova]

Yeah I see the problem of the 5 month gap between festival of heroes an festival of bonfire. Literally the gap covers the beginning of summer where many new or returning people could log on.
Ngl it's the perfect amount of time for a fifth full festival not a mini. Like if you put one in May/June there's still a good bit of time until the next festival. One to kick off summer and festival of bonfire to finish off summer.
I'd rather just one big unique festival fill that place then a bunch of random mini ones tbh if they don't move the festival of bonfire date.

[deep mist]

just feel like puttingt his here cuz this is probably not goign ot happen regaertless of whatever
would hurt the hype of the other festivals, realistically we will wait 3 years to see a new festival fr

also when did u become qa maagic 🤯

[wind sluice]

Bonfire isn't always 5 months after heroes. The 2022 bonfire was there because they had to merge bonfire and spirits because they were releasing 2.0 at the same time

[wind sluice]

November

[deep mist]

🤯
the oranfg hid it

[stable hamlet]

how long til bonfire ahaha asking for a friend perchance

[wind sluice]

Idk

Same time as last year I assume

[deep mist]

i think itll prob happen around august

[cyan mountain]

Then you would be speaking on behalf of the entire server population to say that people would be upset with a mini-festival. If you visit the linked suggestion in my OP you'll see what would be the purpose of legacy crates to benefit regular Festivals. I did not suggest a finite time on how frequent I think these festivals should be aside from "maybe as frequent as DXP weekends".

[stable hamlet]

no event during the middle of summer is unfortunate 🥀

[outer totem]

yh last time was late august

[deep mist]

these mini festivals prob wouldnt last more than a week anyway ain no one getting any cosmetics or fun out of that 😭

at least for normal festivals u can plan around it and at least plaay on weekends or some shi

[cyan mountain]

Sorry, I guess I didn't interpret it as I imagined to suggest this but a mini-festival would only feature one of these listed things not all three of them. For example, just an additional minigame, or just the less-flashy Detlas reskin

[desert nova]

also there's a memey dead fifth festival island between festival of heroes and festival of bonfire

[deep mist]

clearly that entire island will be dedicated to the third btb map that will be massive and cool 🥺 🥺

[north scroll]

-# Isn't that just the same as a normal festival then ._.

[deep mist]

they mean only one of those will happen wihc in that case why ;3

[cyan mountain]

Anyways getting over the mini-festival side of the OP, the problem is the gap between FoH and FoB, hopefully some can agree on this as this is the soul reason for the OP.

[wind sluice]

I mean the gap between heroes and bonfire is what like 4 months

[cyan mountain]

Yes but it's just a little silly when the time between the rest of the Festivals is only 1-2 months 😅

[north scroll]

The time spend making a mini event would be better used towards working on updates tbh

[wind sluice]

I mean it's 4 festivals in 1 year, the average Is about 3

[cyan mountain]

I am not personally dissatisfied with the amount of festivals that take place, just the time between them

[wind sluice]

It's quite minor

The gap between blizzard and heroes is also about 3 months

[burnt fable]

👆

[cyan mountain]

The year with the longest gap between blizzard and heroes (2024-2025), blizzard ended on December 30th and heroes began on March 13th. This makes about 2.5 months between.
The year with the shortest gap between heroes and bonfire when the earliest bonfire took place (2023), heroes ended on April 16th and bonfire began on July 31st. This makes 3.5 months between.
While sure there was a year when there was a gap of almost 3 months between blizzard and heroes, historically the gap between heroes and bonfire has been a greater multiple than the gaps between bonfire->spirits->blizzard.

[naive grail]

did we ever get info on why the Festival of the Heroes Mystery wasn't included in the last festival?

[mellow locust]

Salted kinda hinted at the festivals being (really vaguely) based on the four seasons

As much as the CT probably want to put the spooky festival right at Halloween (late October) I really do think the ideal layout would be a complete and equal spread (a festival every three months)

No dry periods and perfect and consistent event dripfeed

[desert nova]

Aren’t there 5 elements tho?

[stable hamlet]

wowzers

[desert nova]

But yeah 4 seasons would make sense due to the Wynncraft osts displaying festival symbol as quarters

But seriously please lessen the gap between Heroes and Bonfire

[cold carbon]

I think there's nothing wrong with having the festivals be more spaced out, makes them feel more special when they are active. if anything, I feel like bonfire, spirits and blizzard happen way too closely and would benefit being a bit more spread out imo

[cyan mountain]

📢 Updated the finer details in the OP so that my intention are clearer. The main point of me posting this was to discuss the messy schedule of the rotating Festivals. The idea behind "mini-festivals" was not meant to be the main focus of this, rather I just thought up what could be a possible solution instead of complaining and simply saying "fix it." arrogantly. A more reasonable solution would be to just space the Festivals more evenly apart from each other, however the theming around the Festival of the Spirits and the Festival of the Blizzard seems like it would prove to be difficult to move around their already consistent and holiday-tied schedules. 📢

[molten shoal]

me when the festival of the blizzard is winter themed 🤯

[mellow locust]

Yeah but people have made the Spirits Festival argument before
And I guess the other two

[molten shoal]

me when the festival of the spirits is halloween themed 🤯