Give archer some amount of melee pierce

[opaque dock]

Sometimes mobs/summons will straight up body block the boss and archer tstack is the only (tstack) class that has no way to deal with this (death metal in LI)

doesn't and probably shouldn't be in the base class, but f.e. allowing phasing beam to give +3 melee pierce (for example) would be greatly appreciated

[dawn jolt]

power shots buff frfr

[midnight tide]

Forced to twarc

[fiery pecan]

build exploding

death to all epoch tstackers

[opaque dock]

ok to be clear this is by no means a gamebreaking issue but it sure is annoying

it's still 100% possible to clear LI on tstack archer but you have to do all sorts of acrobatics in death metal (even with a hyperoptimized tstack epoch build) to kill the boss w/o getting blendedered to death + you can't build focus at that close of a distance anyways so the boss in general messes up archer tstack pretty badly

[harsh valley]

this cant be a real post

not right after the exploding rework allowing tstack to have aoe

while twain already pierces

[pliant tinsel]

Forced to twerk

[junior thunder]

Is this asking for twains

[violet light]

Does exploding actually work though? Does it scale with your IDs and buffs or is it still "One extra regular unboosted melee hit"

[fleet kestrel]

Wynn players try to read challenge (impossible)
yeah it works, and exploding now deals 50% of the final hit, so a 50k melee would cause a 25k explosion for example

anyway no, with the new change to exploding there's no need for melee to pierce imo

[atomic hound]

fr

also like i thought arrow hit had slight aoe anyway

unsure about homing but i mean base

[violet light]

Oh then yeah that's Mr fantastic right there

[toxic wharf]

This is a good thing, everyone should just Twain’s Arc

[toxic wharf]

🤯

[umbral star]

reduce damage falloff of phasing beam

(if thats what its called)

[junior thunder]

if archers lose homing maybe then its a consideration

[violet light]

Imagine if twain's arc had no draw time, but instead had a timer, so tier stack could intermittently use Twain's Arc without sacrificing mobility

totally fair and balanced guys

[toxic wharf]

That’s just Railgunner from Risk of Rain 2, homing melee with a secondary charged sniper shot you can quick-scope. Your attack goes on cooldown for 1-2s after you fire a charged shot, however.

[green void]

yea idk why its there when the most damage that twains arc can reach solo is like 300k

[toxic wharf]

I'm going to need a build link for that bucko

[green void]

initiator + stinger 💔

• restraints + 8 focus 💔

[toxic wharf]

that's only like 200k

[toxic wharf]

link

[green void]

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder?v=18#10_0K30oY0CE06410D10D0SL0-g00c1p1C-Y0o+t1g00001001Z60z0z0+0+0+0+0-1T2Y2Y2Z2Z2a2all6FbDh1
WynnBuilder build:

Obsidian-Framed Helmet
Taurus
Writhing Growth
Blind Thrust
Ad Terram
Ad Terram
Momentum
Albatross
Stinger [e6e6e6]
max out ALL the damage boosters

[toxic wharf]

brother this is only doing 187k every 2s, you can't use buffs from three other classes to make your damage look better

[hasty jungle]

What

[crude depot]

Didnt they add some aoe to archer melee at some point

[junior thunder]

Exploding ye

[crude depot]

No

[junior thunder]

And twains

Please lose homing before asking for pierce 🙏

[violet light]

Twains pierce

[crude depot]

These ppl dont know anything other than the atree I swear

(Idk if it's still in the game)

[violet light]

Apparently exploding got buffed I just wonder about the range

[crude depot]

Pierce is goofy tho

It could be a mutually exclusive node w homing

Also I just hate homing in general, it should be given to bolt

[green void]

???

Rage gets it to 360k

i thought i was pretty clear what i meant by 300k twains being "the most"

[hasty jungle]

Op

Arrowbomb, escape, afk 4secs twarc cycle

[formal hare]

use collapse

[formal hare]

I don't think so since it'd make hmelee against certain targets giga ass

like more ass then it already is (see the eye with its deceptive hitboxes, any enemy that loves to cast charge or teleport)

[crude depot]

I haven't fought the eye in this half of the decade and for charge and such I'd be happy to take the dps loss like any other non homing archetype would

if the hitboxes are shit it's not just a hmelee issue

and the enemy dodging is just that, the enemy dodging

[formal hare]

It's not much of a problem on other archetypes because the eye is grounded and any amount of aoe will hit it despite it being a literally 1.8x0.6

It has the size of the old eye's hitbox except the model is easily 6x its surface area

it SUCKS to hit with twains arc

[crude depot]

that sounds like something that should be fixed 🤷‍♂️

[formal hare]

especially while airborne, you clearly hit the eye and the armor stand ahhh hitbox just isnt there

8 focus gone

At least if you melee there's a chance the homing will save you

[crude depot]

assuming the hitboxes are fixed, wouldnt it make more sense to give homing to the archetype with triple shot

[formal hare]

Also homing shots just makes the archetype more comfortable, and I don't see how bolt, the "shittons of bullets at low accuracy" archetype would fit better with the ability that makes your shots extremely accurate

it feels very very counterintuitive to the design of bolt

[crude depot]

it has autoaim flying bows

[formal hare]

Which is kinda stupid of itself that they cannot miss imo

since everything else is haphazard arrow spam and that's clearly what they were going for

arrow rain, escape artist, triple shot, hurricane

[crude depot]

fair

[crude depot]

this could still be a thing

[formal hare]

yeah that'd be fair

I mean, allowing them to be combined would be catastrophic

you'd have the bullet curve back on the same target hitting repeatedly

[crude depot]

surely that can be coded not to do that

[formal hare]

Kinda like exploding except unconditionally 😭

[formal hare]

most likely, but I do not trust the wynn codebase

on release rekindled watched that worked on the dev servers but was undogeable on release

tna boss room spawn incident

[crude depot]

can be

[autumn hinge]

Twain's Arc upgrade:

[toxic wharf]

4s downtime between attacks goes hard man

[toxic wharf]

90k dps

[midnight tide]

Your ass is not getting consistent rage with 2000 million ls fr

[umbral star]

homing shots are useless as hmelee just remove it and buff twain 😼

[green void]

i never said anything about viability 🦗🔊

entire convo just ur ass not having reading comprehension ... id love if twains had actual damage

[toxic wharf]

The conversation started with a discussion of viability of Sharp

[green void]

bro what does "most damage twains arc can reach solo is 300k" even mean to u 😭

people gotta invest more into schools

[toxic wharf]

It has enough ambiguity that I could assume you were staying on topic instead of just yapping about a completely useless number irrelevant to the conversation.

[toxic wharf]

Says the person who decided the response to someone wanting to remove Phantom Ray damage falloff was to yap about the peak damage possible with a single hit of a completely unrelated spell.

[green void]

phasing beam is a TWAINS ARC NODE

why do i need to make up for your deficiencies gang

Phantom ray doesnt even have damage falloff 😭

[toxic wharf]

Holy moly I thought this whole time people were talking about an actual issue

[green void]

nice backpedalling

[toxic wharf]

Why does anyone care

This is still a 100% melee mult with massive AoE multi-target

If you’re not 1-tapping everything expect the boss with it, then you’re doing something very wrong

[green void]

Its pierce doesnt one shot, only exploding does

So ur killing things one at a time until chain lightning unless u have high exploding

[toxic wharf]

What peon is surviving a 100k damage hit?

[green void]

Its PIERCE doesnt one shot

key word PIERCE

besides some mobs in nol already have like 150k

[toxic wharf]

You’re doing 200k, or 300k according to what you said earlier, per shot, -120% mult still leaves a ton of damage

[green void]

300k at MOST

that doesnt happen every shot as we have previously established many messages ago

[toxic wharf]

You know what though, even if I don’t think the falloff is bad, it’s also a really silly downside to an already underpowered archetype that would be a lot cooler without that slightly silly downside.

[green void]

yes that is what we are saying

🥳

[umbral star]

hey lets all be cordial and pray for a leap cd reduction aspect 🙏🙏🙏🙏 #MakeEpochGreatAgain

[harsh valley]

Hook range aspect