There should be a limited selection of crafted ings that give -%cost

[whole cedar]

This would be balanced similarly to MR/MS on crafteds rn -> very high requirements, damage cost, etc

Craftsmen deserve to gain access to -%cost, since w/o any cost reduction some of the more mana intensive archetypes are unplayable + having -%cost ings would be good for diversifying crafteds

[slate nest]

-%cost would be goated lowk

[upper yoke]

i could definitely see it being not a balance problem at all if its on weapons, probably the only case it shouldnt exist on are accessories for the same reason vortexian got reworked (both flipped and nonflipped are too powerful)

[trail hamlet]

It would have to be hella low and would be hard to balance or wthervr

[upper yoke]

i dont see a problem with weapons having it, we already have noncrafted raw and % cost spam items like cicada and fantasia and they're fine

[whole cedar]

I think it would be reasonable with 3-4 ings on weapons and 1-2 on armouring/tailoring each

obvs 0 on jeweling unless it's literally 1% per ing

[trail hamlet]

only having -%costs or raw costs on weapons is probably fine too probablyy

[daring scaffold]

panic zealot ingredient jumpscare

[trail hamlet]

fragmentagtion if it was good

[craggy portal]

1% still too much unless the req is like super high

[jade needle]

Make it an rainbow ing

[limber grove]

Give me -cost ings that arent for some reason alligned to certain elements like items are 😭

Tell me why so many 4th cost ids have agi reqs...

[ruby pagoda]

Put it on weapons but that's it imo

[zealous crescent]

No

Would be so broken

Either that or completely useless

[limber grove]

Id argue its not gonna be broken cause crafteds dont give sp, so trying to use crafted -cost items with with actual -cost items wouldnt work in most situations, blue mask slap would be possible on some builds though

I think itd just be cool to supplement it in situations where current -cost items just dont fit the bill, whether it be sp reqs or the stats it gives

[whole cedar]

could pull a rotr but rotr is horribly overused despite drawbacks

[zealous crescent]

Better start playing shaman then 🙏 all earth

[limber grove]

No 😭

Cause i already play shamen

[jade needle]

albalest tech

[limber grove]

I have like 7 different builds that vary in levels of shitty-ness i play plenty of shamen...

[nocturne prawn]

Bro just wants to use +raw cost items with -100% cost items to invalidate the increased raw and make everything cost 1 mana. I can already tell you that is 100% not happening. IMs have been very careful to avoid making a combination like this for very good reason (it would be OP) and if the option was given to players, well... let's just say; imagine if every weapon was Warp's gimmick, but still being that weapon.

[craggy portal]

?

[nocturne prawn]

????

Crafteds are already the best gear in the game in many ways. There's no reason to buff them when they need nerfs

[craggy portal]

its not a buff its just extra options

[nocturne prawn]

"cost reduction is not a buff" 🗣️

💀

[craggy portal]

thats balance related what

youre not just adding cost reduction to crafteds for free

[faint bison]

I think -cost should be available on jeweling armouring tailoring weaponsmithing and woodworking and never on consus 🙏

[hardy sluice]

my guy there is no +raw cost item that would warrant trying to get anywhere near -100% cost

[craggy portal]

rbc maybe but like theres just no way you can build -100% cost lol

[daring scaffold]

panic zealot

[jade needle]

My honest reaction when.i see generalist

[limber grove]

Bro is burning the actual stove with this comment... yeah for sure we'll get ings so strong and powerful that ill be able to get -100% cost not like that completely gets rid of cost anyway because of how they calc costs and -cost

Totally not like in the comment i legit said its because i want options for other elements because -costs have a bias towards certain elements 😭

[daring scaffold]

chances are the ings will also be biased towards those certain elements because of elemental archetypes

[limber grove]

Ig...

[slate nest]

Bro is 5 head

[manic bolt]

I was thinking maybe it would be too op but like -8% 3rd cost over 4 accessories wouldn't hurt

[craggy portal]

eh they just shouldn't be on accessories

[ruby pagoda]

This would do basically nothing and would be a waste to build imo

Cost ings would need to be balanced very finely to prevent them from being OP or useless

[trail hamlet]

Accs would either be op or unuseable

[ruby pagoda]

Which I don't really have faith in that happening

[trail hamlet]

I put my thrust in linnys cooking

[ruby pagoda]

Linny is dead

Lost to factions

[trail hamlet]

If any ing shit is happening it has to be linny anyway

[ruby pagoda]

Agree

[jade needle]

didnt we get new ims

abit questionable balancing from the 1st instance of the ing rebalance notes

[trail hamlet]

Inthink so but only carlos revealed mabye

[jade needle]

but surely it means we had someone

[ruby pagoda]

And speaking of useless can we talk about spell cost tomes

My rolls are perfect yet there's hardly a difference...

[trail hamlet]

They are only barely noticeable on intless builds it's quite silly

[ruby pagoda]

I hate intless ikiag

[trail hamlet]

Ifthey were swapped to raw it would be too op/too dogwater so they have to stay % and also be silly
I feel like they could get some max mana

[jade needle]

cost% tomes are in absolute good use atm

also uh you can partially blame radiance

[ruby pagoda]

I just prefer running mr tomes

[ruby pagoda]

Maybe just increase the % per tome up to 8% idk

[jade needle]

Convergence is poppin off with this one…

[ruby pagoda]

whats that

whats a convergence

https://tenor.com/view/xxx-xxxtentacion-whats-a-father-whats-that-gif-4514438237433228757

[trail hamlet]

Max is lik 5 rn roght

[zealous crescent]

not possible 🙏