So i wish for a higher base that doesnt rely on he% as much, like parts of it
#Fallen Post-nerf comments
rain linden
pure lava
everything in fallen's kit relies on healing efficiency unless you just like make intox and exhil 50% of health and just remove heff from its calculations
if there was a change i could do to balance out how much healing efficiency and aspects affect fallen i would buff hemorrhage to be .225% and make aspect -0.075%
or .2% and make aspect -0.05%
and buff rally to be 10% health and keep everything else the same
rain linden
Latter looks a lot cleaner
pure lava
it would lessen the gap between aspect and non-aspect players while keeping it rewarding and desirable
i think if you wanted rally to not be so like beneficial to team then make cleansing breeze make it affect allies
or make it 7.5% and with cleansing breeze you get 10% healing and affect allies
if people wanted fallen to make concessions to access better healing this would be the way to do it, not trying to brute-force its only realistic option out
rain linden
everything in fallen's kit relies on healing efficiency unless you just like mak...
ngl exhil base 30% and like added 20% unaffected by he% scaled by how deep corrupted you get before exiting could be something? Like reaching 90%corrupted
pure lava
i dont like the thought of free healing for corrupting
rain linden
Yeah i suck at thinking things
pure lava
idk its like i thinik if you give too much healign after corrupted then like what do you do for 5 seconds
i struggle to think of something better than just having someone complete their downtime cycle by healing
rain linden
how fucking stupid is it if we make uncorrupting like unmasking
then attach something idk
pure lava
and i think if you want to put somethign on AT you can't just give people something that provides as much accessibility as rally but on AT because then you have the issue of like the restrictive nature of rally items just being completely gone
cedar turtle
Incredibly (there was a bug with bloodlust doing 0 damage when switching off and fallen became really annoying to play)
rain linden
i struggle to think of something better than just having someone complete their ...
bloodlust splashing a ring of blood you can collect to recover health?
so youre forced to check for room and run, idk how great that is
pure lava
i can see that but then it would get super frustrating when you have area denial abilities from mobs
rain linden
Yeah…
pure lava
or what if theres mobs there already
rain linden
And probs particle heavy because we all love
pure lava
now you gotta like duke it otu while nto spending any health to get your health back
rain linden
do wanna see something done with the corrupted skulls or blood eventually
picking them up acting like a small boost of health before re-entering corrupted
pure lava
and i think if you want to put somethign on AT you can't just give people someth...
ive played a decent amoutn of full etw fallen this patch that sustains super well and im gonna tell you it is NOT healthy at all
like seriously it is so stupid in rooms you sustain for so long that you full heal and in boss you dont get any of that shit and you sustain by potting
rain linden
ok this sounds stupid
upon casting bloodlust you also shoot out 3 corrupted skulls, each healing a fixed 10% when picked up(requires turning them into wither skulls from skeleton ones)
wish we can tag bosses somehow to give intox healing based off that btu idk
pure lava
i dont like tying healing on fallen to corrupted
rain linden
i like it so people cant just snag so much healing off taking a few early bmonk nodes, i prefer something deep in
pure lava
healing only from corrupted would only work if you only spent helath in corrupted
which would completely kill 0 mana builds and would be horrible to implement in my opinion
it woudl also completely ruin paladin build diversity
and bmonk
rain linden
falladin is absolutely fine with their rally access
pure lava
no like if they moved bpact to only corrupted
river wolf
“Fallen has aoe” 🤖🤖🤖
pure lava
would reduce qol for every single class invovled
river wolf
Upperbash dont even take brink anymore
pure lava
i think upperbash is acceptable aoe
river wolf
Yeah people act like its fucking crossmapping
rain linden
surely they axe upperscream on bmonk rework
pure lava
its just air shout 😭
river wolf
Yeah upperscream is a diff story
rain linden
surely...air shout too good for such an early node lmao
pure lava
idk i think if you move air shout into a lower node and make the AT so that like you have to give up bloodlust/hemorrhage for air shout it would actually balance it
rain linden
lets be more evil and make them sacrifice comet
pure lava
make hemorrhage 0.2%, aspect .05%, make air shout require a choice between hemorrhage and air shout and you actually just balance it a lot more i think
unique condor
hero haters 😴
pure lava
i think you swap positions of air shout and whirlwind, make whirlwind a blue node, make air shout a red node, change whirlwind to trigger when you shift instead of the other way around, or add some sort of toggle like shift swap hands to toggle whirlwind or soemthing
you make whirlwind not super ass to take, more accessible, make air shout harder to get so theres real tradeoffs for a high damage ability
would make it a bit annoying to shift with charge actually so maybe just make it a toggle
unique condor
never cook again
pure lava
idk theres no other palce to put air shout
i also think bmonk is way too air shout reliant to just outright remove it rn
rain linden
@pure lava anyways, the fight seems over we gotta sustain off ls or hpr or something now lmao
pure lava
<@230399879803830272> anyways, the fight seems over we gotta sustain off ls or h...
i love lifestealing for 20 seconds for corrupt
rain linden
or we pray for the next nextpatch
pure lava
ls on fallen is silly i cant lie
rain linden
ngl that is entirely true
pure lava
you are forced to just dance around no spells so you can conserve mana and health
rain linden
and you know what im also surprised?
pure lava
if you want hpr and bpact just play big mac guardian
😭 it does like 150k dps you will be outdamaging most fallen builds atm anyways
over a long enough time*
rain linden
Warrior
Fixed Vehement not respecting Neutral Main Attack Raw Damage
did really noone notice this
just like how hana acro didnt notice elem% stacking on its neutral
pure lava
i mean to be fair vehement is like
rain linden
holy shit...
pure lava
ws only and not an actual damage buff
rain linden
true, but damn we really missed things lmao
ok this patch further asks me to play melee fallen if im touching it again lmao
steel mirage
ls on fallen is silly i cant lie
ls is silly i cant lie*
wicked valve
As the one fella using ls fallen it is glazy as ballls
Surely the buff will help out and let me build more ws to cope harder
pure lava
As the one fella using ls fallen it is glazy as ballls
let me cook
stack chain lightning up on bbath before corrupt
wicked valve
Boi thats literally what I did
pure lava
oh my bad it looked so shit i did not know
wicked valve
I even swap to apoc mid chain lighting to get more ls from the proccs
And then continue meleejng with apoc for ls lol
pure lava
half this clip is you meleeing for chain lightning this is maybe not a cook
😭 dont worry next patch bbath 7k lifesteal
steel mirage
sslow my beloathed
wicked valve
half this clip is you meleeing for chain lightning this is maybe not a cook
It's Like 1 second off being full hp before corrupt cd ends and that's with mid rolls on bbath and apoc(like 300 ls less than max on both) plus I could have done Mt first melee out of corrupt with apoc to get more ls plus charge chain faster
Either way it's scuffed as shit and hard to pull off without a shit ton of ws in raids lol
pure lava
It's Like 1 second off being full hp before corrupt cd ends and that's with mid ...
are you using auxetic
wicked valve
I mean the bug will be fixed soon ish anyway so I'd dint js
With it it would Def heal to full before 5 seconds
pure lava
more like for charging while you are casting spells
wicked valve
It charges to full in like 15 seconds so it wouldn't work
Idt I sustain for 15 seconds without casting so slow that it's not worth plus I can js melee 3 times fr
river wolf
<@230399879803830272> anyways, the fight seems over we gotta sustain off ls or h...
This is like nothing tbh
unless the non mythics options are like the most insane buffs ever
wicked valve
Surely the buff is more noticeable on nonmythic gear that had less ls surdlllyy
pure lava
(pre fallen nerf, 2058 data points)
(post fallen nerf, 483 data points)
arcanist boutta see the same drop 🔥
peak vector
then they gotta kill lightbender and the game will actually look pretty balanced (in terms of archetype usage @rigid lotus )
ritualist buff/rework coming soon trust
quiet jetty
(post fallen nerf, 483 data points)
where is boltslinger
steel mirage
polar wedge
where is boltslinger
sorry i was really hungry
pure lava
where is boltslinger
i might have fucked up the tables
i’ll take a look at it later ty
formal minnow
arcanist boutta see the same drop 🔥
why? Its only big due to mage being popular
if you were to do a chart per class it would look quite balanced with fallen no longer being so overused compared to other warrior classes
lean venture
arcanist boutta see the same drop 🔥
for clarity how does this data parse people running multiple archetypes like an Acolyte with Ritualist masks for example
pure lava
for clarity how does this data parse people running multiple archetypes like an ...
the way this works is thru a google form where data collectors usually look at the tree themselves and decide from there
we have an automated system made by nhk that like approximates a tree by looking at if specific nodes are taken, i.e. enraged blow 2 since palafallen is unlikely to take it
and things like awaken specifically make it identify you as ritualist
the data collectors are also usually like super experienced raiders so they are usually experienced enough to recognize different trees
lean venture
Ok ty for info