War scream interaction with older content

[grim night]

I first noticed when I was trying to do legendary island on warrior that none of the mobs have knockback immunity. Now this wouldn't be a problem for most classes but for warrior, a reasonably fast cycle that involves war scream ends up gravitating enemies above your head, knocking them higher and higher which greatly reduces your damage. War scream does have a mob pulling effect listed in its description but it doesn't mention that it also knocks enemies straight up by over a block.

Also for some reason the final phase of the eye boss in EO has no knockback immunity even though it was reworked recently in rekindled world and can get air juggled.

[sleek stone]

I think the toss up on war scream, arrow shield, and multihit are meant to prevent enemies from moving, i wonder if slowness would be better for that

[shell jasper]

Mob rework in 2028

[grim night]

knockup makes sense on arrow shield because they are being pushed away

but pulling in + knocking up = gravitate mobs above your head

[shell jasper]

The worst shit is encroaching tunneler

[carmine bane]

war scream juggling also prevents any melee mob from p much doing anything. as long as the warrior is upkeeping the CC it's essentially a complete stun on mobs that have melees or shorter range

[grim night]

yeah its bad for you because your damage is slashed but also the mobs cant touch you so you just sit there

[light fossil]

TNA void matter room boss pre-kb immue my beloved, if there's a bashscream, nobody else does damage to it

[carmine bane]

acrobat trolling

[grim night]

bro i remember that

[light fossil]

also whats funny is that a lot of LI bosses DID used to have kb immue back in 1.20 (shadow warrior buff lmao, uppercut was so stupid)

[grim night]

wait they had it before but was removed?

[light fossil]

yup, that was ages ago tho, like pre 2.0

[forest star]

um, how is it a damage nerf? upper cut has pretty huge vertical but also isn't that much of your dps
scream is obv still hitting
shout you can aim up at them

I used this to stun lock normal wybel and I didn't notice particularily lower damage than normal

[light fossil]

i think you didnt understood, kb immue was blessing for PRE 2.0 warrior since uppercut was just horrible to chain (and made so many mobs stuck)

legit best warrior strat was to bash at very precise time to cancel the absurd up kb old uppercut made

[forest star]

the top post says "greatly reduces your damage" but I don't see that happening

[light fossil]

ah that

yah it doesnt effect warrior, tho it do be effecting everyone else

me when funni circle Aoe

[fast tinsel]

I miss being able to kidnap the boss

[forest star]

yeah its annoying if you say: are a laby trying to help a bmonk get through LI but they keep flying while also bringing the boss with them

[frozen hill]

fr fighting miniboss without kb immunity on arcanist is big pain cuz you cant hit thunderstorm or meteor on mobs flung to random directions every seconds.
they did fixed it on despairing crawler in tna so they could do that on other mobs too.

[forest star]

but for warrior solo its a non-issue as far as I can tell

[bright quarry]

tempest?

[frozen hill]

but for other kb heavy archetypes like arcanist or mortar ritualist (it still yeets mob up, i tried it in pf), you actively harm yourself's (and others) dps with kb on your main dps spell (meteor or totemic smash) that intended to be spammed like other dps spells.

[forest star]

yes, I agree its an issue outside of solo warrior or certain times when you want it (normal wybel can be cheesed by fallen + healer)

[grim night]

uppercut stops hitting i think

just give LI a go on upperscream warrior and let me know if you think your damage is cut

[forest star]

I have in the past, and I don't think it is cut by much

upper isn't that much of your dps

[dreamy trellis]

It is I tried and each boss took so long I just killed myself

[grim night]

yup

[dreamy trellis]

It was as fast as my monster lb

[grim night]

if you do upper scream scream your dps is slashed by at least 1/3rd

[forest star]

you only do one scream?
maybe you aren't on hero

[dreamy trellis]

They are doing 2

[grim night]

"scream scream"

[forest star]

ah I read that as "upper scream scream is low dps" instead of "is nerfed by this issue" sorry

[dreamy trellis]

The one nice thing about no kb immunity is I can speed run with trapper soft locking the bosses in my traps

[forest star]

yes, doggo carries cybel

[dreamy trellis]

And I did it faster than a party of 3 that I met at the middle boss 💀

[digital magnet]

its a massive dps loss and it also just like disables the boss and makes it insanely lame to fight, scream basically turns any non cci boss into mindlessly cycling for a minute and killing whatever youre fighting with 0 effort

[forest star]

Don't some have stomp attacks that can free them for a sec to hit you?

[carmine bane]

theres so few mobs that have this

[devout talon]

Hop on bash upper

[digital magnet]

i been on bash upper for months ✊

[digital magnet]

no?

theres no old mob ai spell called stomp or anything like it closest that exists is like heavy charge which you can just stunlock them out of

[forest star]

Hm, might just be that one acipens phase and nothing else, maybe robob

[digital magnet]

thats him spamming heavy charge which you can juggle him out of

[forest star]

Yeah but they charge down at the end of it

Whatever, doesn't matter, I guess the post is right

[potent seal]

you can still do it in LI and it really sucks

I am very happy you can't anymore

[fast tinsel]

LI isn't a team thing, though

[potent seal]

it was pretty fun while it lasted though

[fast tinsel]

nor is it a fraction as difficult

[potent seal]

no matter how many times it killed me

[gray geode]

Mobs that aren't airborne experience ground friction which reduces moved distance by like 80%

So a little upwards motion is necessary usually

[grim night]

i see

[grim night]

though after being sent airborne initially, the mob is quickly pulled to this spot above your head where they keep rising with each scream

[gray geode]

well that's probably just the implementation

war scream pulls toward a location and to make mobs get pulled and not be grounded that position is above yourself

[main needle]

It’s not just decreasing your own dmg it’s reducing everyone’s dmg