#Guild raids are too overpowered for SR (seasonal rating) gain + add more ways to gain SR.

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timid radish
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So there are currently only 2 guilds who are spamming guild raids for most of the day, and the SR difference is insane.

(1. Maybe nerf SR gain from guild raids.)
OR
2. make SR gain from guild raids scaling too, just like wars are.
3. Add more ways to gain SR, other than warring and raiding.

This is quite bad for the health of guild leaderboard scene in my opinion. Because right now, you can have 50 territories 24/7 and that gives the same amount of SR over the whole season on average as guild raiding with like 2 parties 24/7. Numbers might be a bit wrong but you get the point. Just look at that screenshot that I posted with this post.

Once you have most, or even all aspect, most people don't want to continue guild raiding anymore... there are so much other content in the game, lootruns, quests, professions, housing building, inventory sorting, archetype and build testing, just game exploration in general, preparing for Fruma in general, just hanging out with others, community building, etc.

I just cannot see how the "top 1" guild should be the guild that spams guild raids 24/7 for 30 days with 3 parties at once (while warring too of course). Players who play other types of activities/do other types of content in wynncraft should also have a way to gain SR for the guild.

(Of course you could say that warring doesn't give basically any rewards, other than somewhat passive SR gain, but it is also true that there are at least 10-15 guild competing for territories at once, while only 1-2 guilds who are also competing with guild raids, for the reasons I mentioned above. And owning a part of the map as a guild just feels cool anyway. And again it gives somewhat passive SR, so a lot more guilds are willing to do that than guild raiding 24/7.)

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TLDR: it feels wrong that a guild can only achieve top 1-3 place on the leaderboard by guild raiding at least 2 weeks constantly, and more ways to gain SR needs to be added, as well as guild raid SR either has to be nerfed or made scaling just like territory wars are. I don't really know the perfect solution, this is just my feedback on this.

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(don't ask me how I posted the screenshot 3 times 💀)

worthy terrace
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Just saying avo got top 10 last season from mostly warring

autumn flame
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what bro aeq and seq claims are massive what are you on about

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they also do more ffa

worthy terrace
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I rate this post 5/10 you should war more

autumn flame
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you can’t get top spot with guild raids you have to get a massive claim

timid radish
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neither of you had the time to read the full post yet

timid radish
worthy terrace
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See i don't think there's a need for more ways to get SR

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I think warring SR should be buffed that's it

autumn flame
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prof player this guy wants sr from t3

dull gyro
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did you mean to put the same screenshot 3 times

worthy terrace
timid radish
timid radish
autumn flame
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why did you

timid radish
autumn flame
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i don’t really see the issue

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someone spamming as much guild raids as seq only gets like 3 million sr from that per season

worthy terrace
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This isn't an issue

frosty gull
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prof has the tiniest claim and did 0 graids last season and got top 9

timid radish
signal cosmos
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tfym "just guild raiding with 2 parties 24/7"

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literally no guild is doing that LOL

worthy terrace
autumn flame
worthy terrace
autumn flame
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maybe they could have like guild world events but other than that what are you even looking for tbh

opaque cosmos
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you know you gain like 0.01% of a level or something

unborn pasture
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that third paragraph calling profs and inventory sorting better than guild raids as endgame content is kinda crazy

timid radish
frosty gull
autumn flame
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imagine guild annahilation

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but no guild raids are not op

timid radish
uncut thorn
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guilds other than aeq and seq just dont graid that much

signal cosmos
worthy terrace
unborn pasture
worthy terrace
timid radish
autumn flame
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if you want sr and don’t want to raid just like… war

worthy terrace
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ye just war frfr

autumn flame
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this is supposed to be about wars anyway

signal cosmos
magic sand
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crazy cope

frosty gull
signal cosmos
autumn flame
timid radish
compact gull
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......what

worthy terrace
signal cosmos
signal cosmos
compact gull
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I dont even have a gif for this one man </3

worthy terrace
lyric saddle
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holding territories is still vastly more effective for sr

timid radish
unborn pasture
worthy terrace
lyric saddle
autumn flame
worthy terrace
autumn flame
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if you just hold like a 40 ter claim for a season

magic sand
timid radish
opaque cosmos
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how long does it take to max aspects

worthy terrace
opaque cosmos
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gotta be a serious chunk of time right

timid radish
autumn flame
compact gull
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so you see

worthy terrace
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by the way, a guy in my guild hasn't maxed his aspects in over 1.5k graids and 500 raids since 2.1

compact gull
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sitting on a claim is always going to be more effective idk what to tell you

signal cosmos
autumn flame
compact gull
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you dont have to be running raids constantly and you can just afk on your claim and you will get sr the entire time

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that is EXACTLY what prof does

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😭

worthy terrace
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exactly

compact gull
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and we are

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crazily enough

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#9/#10 most seasons

magic sand
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guild lootruns where

compact gull
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real

worthy terrace
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SO WHY IS NIA NOT TOP 10 RAHHH @autumn flame

deft basalt
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personally i think graids should give 4 sr per run when all 4 players 3 gambit unless its nol in which case it will give 9000 sr

sharp blade
compact gull
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guild raid sr doesnt scale right?

autumn flame
worthy terrace
compact gull
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as you get through the season it doesnt get higher does it?

signal cosmos
compact gull
compact gull
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getting beaten by guilds holding more territories than us

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i cannot recover from this..

signal cosmos
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a great injustice truly

compact gull
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anyways sr from guild raids doesnt get higher as season goes on right

autumn flame
empty valve
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make proffing give sr steamhappy

compact gull
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its just the fixed amount?

worthy terrace
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avo did a total of 3 guild raids last season and still got top 6?

timid radish
lyric saddle
compact gull
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ok thats what i thought

lyric saddle
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its fixed, it only changes with gambit count among members

compact gull
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as the season goes on it actually gets worse for sr 🔥

worthy terrace
signal cosmos
autumn flame
timid radish
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it might have been a mistake trying to create a feedback post bout anything guild related, knowing the state of the guild community.. oh well I tried

compact gull
signal cosmos
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you just made an ass idea do not put this on gcom LOL

compact gull
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😭

worthy terrace
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"knowing the state of guild community" no just don't make dumb posts like this like

timid radish
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which is also weird for me

signal cosmos
autumn flame
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it would make more sense if they scale tbh

compact gull
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im totally on board with like

unborn pasture
compact gull
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potentially new methods of getting sr

worthy terrace
compact gull
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but like this post is not it

magic sand
autumn flame
worthy terrace
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just have guild anni

compact gull
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guild dungeons

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forced to run DS for sr

worthy terrace
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when corrupted eo

autumn flame
unborn pasture
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can we have guild proffing please

compact gull
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lol

timid radish
compact gull
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idk i just want more guild specific content in general

autumn flame
compact gull
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😁

timid radish
autumn flame
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every meow in guild chat needs to add 100 sr

worthy terrace
autumn flame
timid radish
compact gull
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also it doesnt help that like

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your two points are conflicting

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just outright

quasi acorn
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very simple maths here to prove the point
for example ETKW got 10.4m sr last season almost purely from warring
assuming you 3 gambit every run, thats over 23637 graids to match that sr

timid radish
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Guild raids are too overpowered for SR (seasonal rating) gain + add more ways to gain SR.

signal cosmos
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brop is the only like on hjjis post

compact gull
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nerf sr from guild raids OR make them higher 😼

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Maybe nerf SR gain from guild raids.
OR
make SR gain from guild raids scaling too, just like wars are.
Add more ways to gain SR, other than warring and raiding.

timid radish
main crag
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They should make it so when you log into wynncraft you get SR

autumn flame
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i feel like you should rework the guild raids sr to scale like the warring sr and also add guild version of world events

magic sand
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just remove sr from g raids

autumn flame
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you could but like why

worthy terrace
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no make guild raids give a fuck ton of sr

torn canyon
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no.

magic sand
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why would u get rewarded for grinding the game

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add guild profs or smth

autumn flame
high summit
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Hush bro

night schooner
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I don't see anything wrong with graids being a tiebreaker. With all the onmap guilds rn having a similar amount of territories of course something has to break the difference

worthy terrace
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graids don't even give that much sr...

timid radish
high summit
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God forbid guilds get sr for doing something fun

autumn flame
high summit
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Sentenced to 5 years of warring

worthy terrace
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Bro removing gsr from guild raids just pushes guilds back to pre 2.1

autumn flame
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warring is fun if the server doesn’t kill itself i swear

night schooner
main crag
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Give SR bonuses for talking in guild chat to support smaller guilds!

timid radish
lyric saddle
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ffa sucks

autumn flame
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ffa at season end is 200 sr per territory

night schooner
timid radish
magic sand
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idt ffa alone is a good tie breaker bcs u can’t exactly grind it at any point in time if u have a larger group of ppl

autumn flame
quasi acorn
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lets make afking give sr

lyric saddle
autumn flame
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also we used the entirety of corkus as ffa what they gonna do about it huh?

night schooner
frosty gull
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i think buying items on tm should give sr based on the emeralds spent

quasi acorn
autumn flame
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one person light forest one person cinfras ffa one two people realm of light

quasi acorn
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you dont need that

autumn flame
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send 2 more people to corkus one more to jungle

autumn flame
quasi acorn
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ffas dont get taken fast enough for that to be worth

magic sand
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^

autumn flame
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than you hold and win

timid radish
magic sand
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u cant have 12 ppl doing ffa but u can take them all into g raids

autumn flame
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that’s true

magic sand
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so its not exactly a repeatable and grindable content

autumn flame
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ffa is still a good enough tiebreaker though because ffaing kills your soul from the inside, guild raiding for 2 hours is fine but have you tried ffaing for 2 hours? your brain stops working at some point

narrow cloud
autumn flame
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i have 1000 ffas and now i meow in voice chats

timid radish
autumn flame
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i can never recover from the psychological trauma

lyric saddle
autumn flame
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yes

narrow cloud
quasi acorn
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ffa 💔

narrow cloud
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wat

timid radish
narrow cloud
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wait sorry my brain didnt english

narrow cloud
timid radish
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fair

autumn flame
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it’s gonna be so joever for other guilds when seq realizes they can just ffa in corkus and keep it for like 50% of the time

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but they won’t do it anyway

pulsar pivot
timid radish
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I guess I did word this in favor towards nerfing SR gain from guild raids, but my main point was meant to be to add more ways to gain SR... like that is where my post was trying to go.

magic sand
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guild dungeons!!!

frosty gull
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i wonder how that got across

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magic sand
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XD

frosty gull
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mustve been a coincidence and bad wordingo obviously not backtracking

compact gull
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🤯

timid radish
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the main mistake WAS the title of the post, but like... come on

compact gull
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Scaling -> higher sr from guild raids

magic sand
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yes

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seq domination!!!

slender dagger
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i mean the title is like the most important bit

timid radish
magic sand
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and what exactly does that achieve?

night schooner
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I don't think making a pve mechanic give different rewards just by doing them at certain times is a good idea

Terr claims I can understand since you're competing against other players but idt a scaling system works wel with graids

timid radish
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but then why are wars scaling in terms of SR gain?

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isn't it so warring activity gets more chaotic and high-effort towards the end of seasons?

night schooner
timid radish
fleet moss
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"There are so much other content in the game" ... "... inventory sorting ..." LMAO

timid radish
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so the solution is to add more ways to gain SR... because seriously, guild raids are just such a niche thing, since a lot of people only do them for aspects

night schooner
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Yeah. Guilds need more activities in general

slender dagger
timid radish
fleet moss
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fair enough, although i still wouldn't call it "content"

magic sand
timid radish
slender dagger
timid radish
night schooner
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Legitimately if they found a way to make guild world events that'd be kinda cool

timid radish
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yea for example

frosty comet
# timid radish So there are currently only 2 guilds who are spamming guild raids for most of th...

ok now i know this sounds biased coming from me as a #1 guild chief but here we go
First thing: you say "Players who play other types of activities/do other types of content in wynncraft should also have a way to gain SR for the guild."
Reminder that a year ago wars were the ONLY way to gain sr, so getting it via raids is a huge improvement in that regard
correct me if im wrong but the tldr of this sounds like you are saying raids shouldnt give sr so warrers have a chance and then at the same time you say there should be more ways to get sr so wars become less relevant?

main crag
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Guilds should be able to raid other guild’s housing to steal their SR

timid radish
# frosty comet ok now i know this sounds biased coming from me as a #1 guild chief but here we ...

"TLDR: it feels wrong that a guild can only achieve top 1-3 place on the leaderboard by guild raiding at least 2 weeks constantly, and more ways to gain SR needs to be added, as well as guild raid SR either has to be nerfed or made scaling just like territory wars are. I don't really know the perfect solution, this is just my feedback on this."

I don't see how my post can possibly come across as "warring needs to give more SR", because even if you look at my longer post, it still only says that guild raids give too much SR, not that wars give too little SR.

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and yes, guild raids giving SR IS a huge improvement, its just not perfect imo, due to no scaling or too much SR gain

frigid lintel
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Idk it seems reasonable to me that guild based content rewards SR and non guild based content doesn't

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If a guild were to be able to get top 1 by not doing anything guild related it would be another issue on it's own

slender dagger
timid radish
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I kinda like the fact that there is a guild (Seq) where you can just join to raid and farm aspects, and the incentive IS the SR gain, so I don't want this to get completely demolished. I just find it unfair/bad that guilds in general can only gain SR via warring and guild raiding.

main crag
frosty comet
frigid lintel
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guild raids actually promote active participating in the season compared to the warring scene where half of the guilds get to sit on a claim without having to do anything and passively earn sr

timid radish
frigid lintel
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I don't doubt that in the future there will be more guild based stuff added that will let you earn sr but I think rn its best we gonna get

timid radish
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...just added that cuz I'm in PROF... I'm not making this thread to get profs to gain SR.

main crag
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Profession boss real

timid radish
frosty comet
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i find the war scaling silly tbh

smoky slate
frosty comet
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it encourages sitting afk for 3/4 of the season end then making your push at the very end
basically rendering warring unprofitable for most of the season

timid radish
young oak
frosty comet
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if by fast you mean half the season it gives no sr then sure

smoky slate
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basically i think graids are fine as the main SR gain until wars are reworked to actually be fun

cloud flicker
cloud flicker
worthy terrace
smoky slate
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this is also true

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so thread even more wrong lma

timid radish
# young oak how does changing SR scaling from raids exactly change things, shouldnt the most...

it was just a possible solution to my problem, and my problem is that while wars have SR scaling, you can spam guild raids 24/7 for 30 days and get a very high leaderboard position, most likely top 1-3 place, because they do NOT have SR scaling. I'M getting a bit tired I gotta take a break cuz I cannot form my points well rn.

Anyway, of course the most active guild SHOULD be the top 1-3 guild. HOWEVER! The most active guild in my opinion is NOT just the guild who on top of warring, raids 24/7 for 30 days. Because like 10-15 guilds have a good territory claim, but only 1-2 guilds raiding constantly, and raiding is the tiebreaker rn by far.

lyric saddle
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can we not make graids like wars? nolifing a weekend is not healthy

timid radish
lyric saddle
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making them consistent throughout the season means you dont have as much pressure to do them the entire season

slender dagger
timid radish
timid radish
smoky slate
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i am not sure i understand ur point, i feel like its very healthy to have top 2 guilds be the ones that are active in both wars and raiding

frosty gull
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also you say this like guild raids just happen passively and get auto farmed

timid radish
slender dagger
echo geyser
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war is sigma raids are for losers

timid radish
# slender dagger raids are active play war is like mostly passive

ah .. again.. I'M tired... I wanted to add that this is since the most active guild should be top 1-3, it shouldn't mean only wars + guild raids... there are other types of activites in the game too, like lootruns, profs (only if full prof rework), world events etc

slender dagger
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raids are the main cooperative thing in the game

cloud flicker
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true

slender dagger
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guilds shuold encourage playing together

young oak
still plank
slender dagger
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profs and lrs are solo

cloud flicker
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the only thing in the game more boring than wars are profs

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WARS, I MEANT WARS

smoky slate
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only thing i could see working is maybe running world events with guild members

timid radish
smoky slate
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thats basically profs

timid radish
slender dagger
timid radish
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well.. not that easy, maybe you want to world event with not just guild mates

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but then just no higher mob scaling, but just a small SR gain if you play world events with guildmates.. idk really

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again as I said in my post, I don't have a perfect solution, I just gave my feedback on leaderboard.

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I kinda don't know why I even made a feedback post about the guild scene tbh, I don't think I even really care about it, I need a break from guild scene altogether probably.

young oak
timid radish
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have fun discussing here

slender dagger
timid radish
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bye

smoky slate
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g fucking g

split venture
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Im prol tweaking but I think the competitive aspect of the sr board has been long lost for years

slender dagger
split venture
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If sr gain was massively increased or reward thresholds from sr (public bank slots / hr bank slots) was massively decreased that'd be awesome

autumn flame
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there’s no reason for there to be bias involved

frosty comet
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well
aeq is trying

stone hazel
split venture
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Do u play again @frosty comet

autumn flame
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peetuh can keep trying

frosty comet
autumn flame
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you should just alt war in nia zt

split venture
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Ive seen u log on at least once a day for the past 2? Weeks and you talk hella in discord again

autumn flame
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maybe if we can get enough seq chiefs to alt war people will start calling nia a seq sub!!

unborn pasture
split venture
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fate worse than death

frosty comet
frosty gull
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i wonder if this thread was just one big veiled attempt to do one of his weird flexes again

frosty comet
autumn flame
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naahhh you could just tank or use abso

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but if you don’t like warring enough than it’s joever

stone hazel
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chat hypothetical how much sr would clicking a prof node in a territory have to give for prof to compete for top spot

frosty comet
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0.1

frosty gull
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people in prof barely prof

autumn flame
uncut thorn
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foxxochan ahh post

dull gyro
unborn pasture
unreal badger
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At least 5 of thoose guilds have active claims wdym "graiding 24/7"? I say at least 5 cuz i dont look at the map So often to see it but yes

signal cosmos
latent scaffold
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Im w melon here, adding new ways of getting sr wouldnt hurt, but in general graiding is way too overpowered for sr when compared to warring

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And, again, graiding becomes a form of content that people stop liking when reached max aspects

lyric saddle
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i still like raids and i maxxed a month ago

lost ferry
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Warring becomes the more effective way of gaining sr as the season progreses

magic sand
cobalt tartan
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Other content would be nice but that wouldn’t change who was at the top of the lb it’s just based on activity imo

magic sand
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guild that has 15 ppl online will get out grinded by a guild with 40 ppl on whether you like it or not

vivid sigil
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as someone currently in SEQ I can confirm that there's at least 30 people on at any given time so I'm not surprised that we're top 2 rn lol

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it's an activity issue not a content issue

high summit
cobalt tartan
vivid sigil
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if graids weren't a thing everyone would just be FFAing instead and having 3-4 FFA teams active simultaneously 24/7 would probably also be "overpowered"

vivid sigil
# high summit Get a job!

I actually have a job and a life outside wynn but some of these people graid for like 13 hours a day so yeah

high summit
magic sand
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but almost always there is atleast one or 2 parties running

vivid sigil
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yeah the most I've seen is like 1 hour breaks where no one's actively raiding

patent crystal
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I love homogenizing rewards between content!

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I also love people who care this much about guild SR!

granite otter
latent scaffold
patent crystal
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I keep raiding because my builds are actually fun instead of being mind-numbing meta slop

signal cosmos
patent crystal
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Also, if you think aspects are the reason people raid, then why were raids still massively popular even before aspects were a thing?

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obviously profit is a factor, but it's not like that's changed too significantly

split venture
split venture
latent scaffold
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I raid cus i want the guild to get xp and sr, but I want that because im hr, most recruits here don't have maxed aspects, but some do and they don't raid because of that

patent crystal
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lootrunning can be really fun if you learn it properly

patent crystal
signal cosmos
# split venture Hella ppl do this tbf

hypixel skyblock proves that its an insanely common mindset but its also literally impossible to avoid people doing it, in my experience people who look at games as Time -> Rewards enjoy it alot less and get burnt out faster, not a mentality that should be catered to so much as acknowledged and shelved

latent scaffold
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Whats funny abt it

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We have many people that prefer to lr/prof because they don't need aspects or maxed

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And if they do raid it's 4 or 5 raids just for fun, im not complaining about those

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This is not what this post is about though, raids being the only way of getting first is a problem imo

patent crystal
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I feel like this is purely a mindset issue that the game could to a bit to lesten, but like...
you grind aspects to improve your character, why woudl you stop raiding just because you have them maxed?

latent scaffold
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Because lr and proffing is more profit, I agree that people do not "stop raiding", but activity greatly reduces

signal cosmos
patent crystal
native plover
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The problem with Guild Raid is, it's a good way to gain SR but only available to BIG GUILD AND ACTIVITY FOR 24/7

latent scaffold
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Yes

native plover
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Smaller guilds, no chance. That's why we need alliance guild raiding or at least enable guild raid to anyone who has guild

patent crystal
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why should the more money-focused content ALSO give SR? That's just double-dipping, no?

latent scaffold
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It's huge disparity between guilds with 150 players in them and 69

cobalt tartan
patent crystal
native plover
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The current content that Wynn developers made are only encouraging big guild dominating the whole fcking Wynn

signal cosmos
native plover
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How you can build up a new community when all aspects of the game discourages you so hard from it?

patent crystal
signal cosmos
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graids should be more accessible and the game shouldnt be anti small guild but that does not change the fact that huge guilds will always have an insane advantage and expecting that to be taken away undermines the entire point of guilds getting bigger

magic sand
patent crystal
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the advantage needs to not suddenly spike

signal cosmos
magic sand
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u only need 4 ppl for a g raid

native plover
magic sand
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not 20 or 120

patent crystal
magic sand
patent crystal
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At peak, my guild had a dozen people spending over 24 hours a week online almost exclusively raiding together and still couldn't 4/4 guild raid most of the time

magic sand
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why are we complaining about big guilds having an advantage in finding parties in a mmorpg

patent crystal
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like I said, there's a critical point of players where it becomes drastically easier to sustain a guild raid party consistently

native plover
patent crystal
split venture
native plover
magic sand
patent crystal
magic sand
split venture
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Then the next issue becomes sum related to ally slots bc all the on map guilds ally each other, hit ally cap and small guilds lose bc they can't ally

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And then ally slot buff and then it's another issue bc the big guilds get even more sr due to being able to ffa everything in the game

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Then smth related to warring is boring lol it's just infinite complaint cycle x(

magic sand
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ffa takes 1 person

magic sand
split venture
magic sand
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if u like it then use it

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it’s a tool and if it works for u then why hate

split venture
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I'm not hating fr just making jokes lol

magic sand
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ig yeah there is a big gap between big and small guild and g raids are obviously locked behind raiding with ur guild but guild are the biggest feature of wynn

wanton badger
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@split venture

split venture
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@wanton badger

vivid sigil
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the only real way to give small guilds a chance is to decouple guild raids from guilds but ct refuses to do that so. here we are

split venture
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Probably not a ct thing

craggy aspen
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Graids shouldn’t be nerfed, but warring should be buffed.

native plover
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Or remove the competitiveness from guild thingy so we can focus on building a healthier community like

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All the drama caused either by warring or graiding

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I know there are people who treat warring/graiding as a job rather than an entertainment

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Just autopiloting through numbers

hard haven
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removing guild will fix this issue

stuck mango
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but yea this post is dumb

native plover
chrome coral
true dock
vocal sapphire
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Plot twist: this post is just from someone who hates raiding and wants alternative guild content to be added