Singularity MID is misplaced

[wary vapor]

erm why the skibidi is a thunder melee MID on a rainbow spell weapon like HUH?

I suggest moving this MID to Sunstar, which IS a thunder melee weapon ok thats it thats my thread

another problem with singu and this MID is explained here #1362841906278564012 message

[wise aurora]

yeah this shit makes sense

[wary vapor]

why did it remove my image, ok here i added the image

[wise aurora]

why is a glorified superconductor forced onto a weapon that incentivizes customizability?

[vast herald]

yo make it work with winded 😊

[sick gazelle]

this has always been singus identity, it was meant to be a steal thunder weapon, the powder slots incentivize thunder because thunder has the highest base conversion, the super slow is to get effective tier for steals and the dex is for better scaling on thunder

[wary vapor]

i bet a completely different winded MID on singu would be better than revamping orbital chain

[sick gazelle]

u can talk about the strength and appropriateness of it with the current archetypes but it makes total sense with the theming at least

[flat geyser]

sir in what world is singu supposed to be a steal weapon

[wise aurora]

oh well it does give 35 dexterity wow

[wary vapor]

wait what it has steal now?

[sick gazelle]

i just explained it 😭 this isnt reading into it too much the guy who made the item literally has explained it multiple times

[vast herald]

• rainbow weapon
• has a chain lightning mID
• gives +35 dex

[sick gazelle]

no youre supposed to build steal with it because it has ss and scales best off thunder (which gives u chain lightning)

[wary vapor]

wtf is "ss" sry lol

[sick gazelle]

super slow

[flat geyser]

going "oh its sslow and has powder slots" and then saying its a steal weapon is kinda wild

[wary vapor]

yeah you have a good point, it has ss and gives 35 dex but

rainbow with 15 powder slots to make it even more rainbow

i feel like this MID would work better on a tierstack thunder weapon
like sunstar

[flat geyser]

i can take a fatal and downtier it and its going to scale better off thunder while also having a steal ID

[sick gazelle]

anyways the reason i bring this up is that i really dont like the MID either tbh, i think the archetypes mage has right now have 0 synergy with singus design it had in 2018 and attempting to double down on that while it still has 0 archetype support just means the item is pushed even further from having a valuable niche

[tired jolt]

Regardless the mid is just kinda…mid in general (haha) even if they wanted to put it on singu like make it more effective

[wise aurora]

glorified superconductor

[strong hollow]

Wait is this the mID mythic

Singu

[flat geyser]

the fact that its only usable on riftwalker yet it doesn't have winded scaling is kinda hilarious

[fallen latch]

35 dexterity on singularity

[wary vapor]

EXCUSESSSS

[fallen latch]

:D

[wise aurora]

that stat feels so out of place tbh

very funny wand

[wide pollen]

I SUPPORT THIS

[fallen latch]

tell me about out of place when I see the 30 agility on freedom

[wary vapor]

that too, the wand is very very funny

[wide pollen]

MAKE SUNSTAR GREAT AGAIN

[wise aurora]

oh yeah that too 💔

[wary vapor]

ok well that kind of makes sense cause its a bow and archer runs around dodging shi so more agility for more FREEDOM eeeh? ehhh???

(but yeah 30 agi on freedom is also random cause its a RAINBOW WEAPONNN)

[candid ferry]

literally all of the rainbow mythics give a bunch of points in one stat guys

[strong hollow]

Fanta int freedom agi singu dex

Who cares about war ass

[wary vapor]

ggrr nooo!!!!!

[wise aurora]

rainbow weapons do be funny

[wary vapor]

also guys my guildmate is testing the major id right now and is getting 15k dps

[strong hollow]

Oh..

[wary vapor]

and it doesnt apply winded either

[strong hollow]

LOL

[wise aurora]

ah yes what a flipper

[sick gazelle]

its for steals!!!! if you want your feedback to be heard explain the weaknesses of the items intended purposes not just the stuff they would expect, i garuntee the best case scenario you will get for saying "this steal mid does no damage" is a passive aggressive comment 😭

[wary vapor]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY STEAL I STILL DONT GET ITTTTT

[flat geyser]

real problem is that the only mage class that can use singu and be reliant on steals is riftwalker but the mID has no winded scaling 😭

[rigid void]

mID is dog shit

[sick gazelle]

chain lightnings main application is to hit a bunch of enemies to proc mana and life steal, singu has always been designed around mana/lifesteal builds with chain lightning, that is what this mid meant to support and that is what it does, the issue imo is that nothing on mage cares about that so this just ends up being a really meaningless addition, but just saying "it does bad damage" is going to be written off

[vast herald]

i made those

[wary vapor]

ok i get it now, i agree
linking this message to my original post

[wraith urchin]

its meant for spellsteal but that isnt a popular playstyle nowadays plus archetype support for spellsteal is eughhh
so uh i blame at!!

[vast herald]

im getting 30k?

[wary vapor]

better build moment!

[vast herald]

i just rainbow slap + insig

oh yeah it wont work with insig in the future apparently

[wary vapor]

i wonder why xD

[tired jolt]

Oddly every rainbow item buffs one of he five stats, collapse is strength Fanta is intel freedom is agi nulli is def and singu is dext

[vast herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1079189707130408970/1362841711419592945/Screenshot_2025-04-18_at_18.25.57.png?ex=6803dcc0&is=68028b40&hm=6fab2b045e3e17c26adf6236b8c9a7a3aa99caf666b5fdf5bf204732c0304169&

[sick gazelle]

🤨

[vast herald]

wut

[wary vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[vocal bison]

Duat singu rw hybrid build stays winning

[strong hollow]

Give archer mythic a mid and make it be epoch spell and also make it sharp 🤪

[vast herald]

you use it in tna and you get banned

[strong hollow]

Also I don't know why singu got a Mid I thought the whole point was to give items with no identity something about them

Singu was already super unique

[vocal bison]

I will queue with atlas inc members mb 😔

[native elbow]

@sick gazelle is right ya, it’s unobvious at first but this is what singu was made for however many years ago like 8 or 9 but it hasn’t been used this way since forever since mage heavy hybrid well yea

[native elbow]

singu did already have an identity but nobody uses it for its identity so this major makes it stand out in its playstyle by like a lot

I think you all should probably try using things and understanding them it’s been out for 2.5 hours

[native elbow]

you can hit seriously pretty quite good dps with this in addition to never having to heal with LS. It’s just that people tunnel on the stuff that does 400k dps and act like stuff like this is unusable and bad :(

[topaz hare]

(the description is missing the part where it turns the melee portions of the powder special into rainbow damage)

[native elbow]

Yea its too big of an item to fit lol at least this part doesn’t really matter much

but this is why I tell people maybe to use it first before commenting that it doesn’t fit etc

[topaz hare]

I can see if I can make it fit but latuh

[native elbow]

no way one more line down and it goes off screen lol

We’d have to change lore or something

[sick gazelle]

yeah im going to buy one and test it out before i give my feedback on it when i get some time. just from looking it it so far it seems like a really good MID to complement singus theme i just dont think it fits into the atree archetypes well, i'll have to see though.

[native elbow]

it fits riftwalker quite well

[topaz hare]

riftwaltuh...

[sick gazelle]

that was gonna be my first thing i tried i am very skeptical about the -ws on it though 😭

[native elbow]

it’s not really meant to synergize with atree tho but this is like fine regardless… people get mad that we limit a major to one archetype and then also get mad if we limit it to one powder special like seriously people what

[viral swan]

stopped reading post after the 4th word, bet its great though

[native elbow]

Pretty easy to build enough ws to get to 0 and rift adds to it it’s not bad at all

[wary vapor]

cmon bro read my post, just bc i used skibidi doesnt mean i have 1 braincell

[viral swan]

ok well

[native elbow]

well tbh I doubt you used this before making the post at least try or ask someone how it works first

[viral swan]

isnt the point of this that the major id is super giga busted on a shitass weapon

thats the gimmick, no?

[wary vapor]

kind of yeaaa

[mental lintel]

first mistake is "on a spell weapon" lol

[viral swan]

i mean

[native elbow]

not all majors need to have a cracked major, some are better than others? Also singu isn’t even shitass in the first place

[sick gazelle]

u can definitely get to 0 and maybe even decent positive im just not sure what content has alot of minions and isnt very punishing to low ws.. maybe nol or groot? what sort of stuff were you playing when u tested it?

[native elbow]

Well singu only needs one minion for it to be good

The single best use case is having 2 mobs actually

A single mob cooks you tho lol. Need chunky hp

[native elbow]

I used it on a bunch of stuff it’s good it just doesn’t melt bosses like the meta does lol but of course this isn’t the goal…

Casting through chain is a lot of fun

[sick gazelle]

riftwalker has possibly the most polarizing sustain demands ive seen in an archetype ever so im worried about needing to rely on steal to stay above the threshold for manatorm, did you build pure steal or mixed mana?

[native elbow]

It’s best to build:

medium MS/LS
enough WS to get to 0
raw melee and raw spell

I built mostly MS but luckily had a little MR with it

but having high MS is like more than enough if you use it carefully between chains

as long as you have enough MS to fully capitalize on chain you should be good enough

maybe not the brainless 12cps gameplay but that’s just 🤷‍♂️

I used MS tomes too

[sick gazelle]

yeah my worry is that riftwalker does low damage while casting at cps cap so playing rw + having to slow down the cycle is going to be like very uncompetitive damage and the variability of steal while being a cool gimmick is also a notable drawback for consistancy

[vast herald]

.

[native elbow]

Doesn’t it?

The explosion does I think I mean

[vast herald]

what ability makes it work with winded, the windsweeper one?

[native elbow]

unsure but if I remember right having more winded made the explosion damage go up

so I guess wind sweeper lol assuming this is true

It doesn’t really change much though

[vast herald]

yeh, the dmg difference is not significant

[vast herald]

wondering how much damage you normally deal with your build

[native elbow]

With the thing I tested I think a crit explosion was low 40s

as hybrid of a build as it gets

[vast herald]

yeah im using a type of heavy/slow hybrid, hitting 160k

[native elbow]

what

[vast herald]

dps

[native elbow]

oh yea ok. This number is heavily dependent on setup though

with the right chain setup you can reach 500k while chain is active lol but this is just a fraction of while playing and like truly optimal positioning

realistic single target on most things for a great build I was finding like low/mid 100k

without consus etc

[vast herald]

yeah fair enough

[native elbow]

it’s 100k ish without the chain

just spamming meteor

[vast herald]

130k with no powder special 160k with insig and singu mID

[tepid dagger]

Mid looks kinda bad because 750% is less than 2 meteors. I know Singularity is mostly used as a Steal weapon but like if there is bad damage why would you use it in the first place?

[vast herald]

rn ig the ‘only’ usage is to arcanist cycle with the mID

[tepid dagger]

Well that’s because Arcanist is like the only Archetype of the 3 which is useful for Singu. LB is mostly Healing dominated which as a Singu you mostly heal urself with the HPR on the Wand and the LS and Rift is in the bin.

Btw why does Singu need to have -WS? Or at least that much. It already gets nerfed with WS for being a Rainbow weapon and other rainbow weapons like Freedom or Nullification don’t have a debuff which impacts the player that much.

[vast herald]

oh yeah singu builds are crippled

[sick gazelle]

its a massive part of the item theming its just that the flavor stat that used to be a flavor stat on most archetypes ended up being like the single most important stat in the game years later 😭

[tepid dagger]

Well then change it. Gaia got its -Spell damage removed so why not WS on Singu?

[strong hollow]

Oh I only meant like 'something on their stat line that made them unique' and it was a surface level thing of 'wow singu isn't just the mage rainbow mythic, it's the one with the powders'
I'm more just surprised it wasn't given to a mythic that has kind of forgettable identity

[tepid dagger]

Gaia is still like really bad tho

[tepid dagger]

Singu is the weapon where the powders cost more than the weapon itself. That’s the identity

[vast herald]

anyone open the buff gaia thread back 💔

[native elbow]

oh I see what you mean yeah for us like just bc it’s memorable that it has these powder slots doesn’t mean it has established identity I guess. It just wasn’t being used for the niche it was supposed to and now it should be

[vast herald]

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1105611271124025364

[native elbow]

Honestly if we could remake singu we’d keep most of it the same but reduce powder slots prob lol cause it doesn’t meaningfully change it

[vast herald]

15le is not more than 4stx ive paid 💔

[tepid dagger]

It was a joke btw

[strong hollow]

Abso is the one with the healing eff, Fanta is the cost one, toxo is the poison one, aftershock is the tstack, immo is the no healing but big damage on agi def, oly is the jump height one, hadal the +cost one

Sunstar is the..... The.. Yellow one

[tepid dagger]

I want Singu to be good even tho I don’t have one.

[tepid dagger]

The Melee one

[native elbow]

singu is good it just doesn’t seem like it when u compare it to laby or fallen hero rn lol

[strong hollow]

Cancelstack isn't real

And it can't hurt me

[native elbow]

as we said in our message the entire framework of good is messed up because it’s solely dps based rn but this patch is a step towards fixing that

[bright oar]

wait

[strong hollow]

(please buff items with - 1 attack speed armour to make cancelstack good) PLEASE

[bright oar]

it deals spell dmg in mID right?

[vast herald]

is it possible to increase the ability of singu but not power creep it so hard like laby or old apoc?

eg increase base dps or increase atk speed or reduce -ws

[tepid dagger]

Quetz, Fatal, Warp, Lament

[native elbow]

Only the explosion, chains works like usual

[bright oar]

NOOOOOOOOOO
MELEEBOUND DREAMS ARE RUINED

[tepid dagger]

Ok I know 2 of these are really good but still

[strong hollow]

No more laby it's - 25%

[bright oar]

STOP REWORKING MELEE WEAPONS INTO SPELL AAAAA

[native elbow]

Singu was never melee its always been hybrid man

[strong hollow]

Laby is now just comfortably ahead of bows instead of the only weapon ever

And all bows deal middling dmg

[turbid glacier]

40 def on Reso

[bright oar]

well now it's spell 😦

[native elbow]

no it’s not?

[tepid dagger]

Exactly. Buff Epoch. Change the Spell Damage% to Melee Damage% frfr

[strong hollow]

ABSOLUTELY FKIN NOT

[turbid glacier]

Should've been on sstar I agree

[native elbow]

I’m not explaining this again read everything I’ve said and what citied said at the top @bright oar

[strong hollow]

Spellpoch is my baby

[tepid dagger]

Why? It isn’t like Epoch does that much damage

[native elbow]

This major id doesn’t fit sun star in the slightest guys

[tepid dagger]

Heck no go to hell xd

[bright oar]

isn't sunstar hybrid

[strong hollow]

I know right buff spell

[turbid glacier]

Powder mid on a rainbow weapon just feels icky

[native elbow]

There’s no rainbow special

it doesn’t feel icky singu has always leaned dex literally look at the stats

[turbid glacier]

You're right it should never have been a powder mid

[native elbow]

buddy I never said that

[turbid glacier]

Makes more sense to get gravitywell

Cuz yk, singularity

[frank parrot]

Just make it have a major id event horizon and let us dual wield the Wands

[topaz plover]

uh. actually i didnt intend for it to be thunder steals, it just kinda morphed into that cause people obsess over the eensiest bit of dps increase they can get and used all thunder to get 100 more damage on their meteors

[mental lintel]

yuh but its been built for that way longer than it wasnt

[topaz plover]

yeah. it got leaned into when we put Lots Of One SP onto each of the rainbow mythics

but objectively that isnt what it was built for initially. bit of a pedantic correction but i felt the need to make it given i made the weapon and never said what they said i said

[native elbow]

well the thunder being powder based isn’t what I meant, it’s the sp, this is just cause the powders are better. I do remember it being chain lightning steals based, I talked with silver about this literally right after it came out

so I dunno

This makes a lot a lot of sense regardless and is extremely cool

[topaz plover]

nah, checked the old IM logs since that server still exists. nothin about that was said

unless you meant in private

like i said this is a pretty pedantic correction on my part and ultimately it doesnt matter that much, i just wanted to set the record straight

[native elbow]

in private yea before I was even an IM

sounds good

like maybe even a year before idk atp

[vocal bison]

I knew this singu mid was just a ploy for duat rw to win

starting a conspiracy theory rn!!

[wind robin]

Hybrid does more dmg than pure spell?

[native elbow]

yes

even if you dont build damage for chain if you build ms you get an absurd amount of free meteors

[wind robin]

Havent touched singu but that sounds surprising

[wind robin]

Oh obv run ms but its not like ppl call divzer hybrid right

[native elbow]

idk this is still hybrid to me you are maximizing melee shots

whether hybrid damage or building pure spell and using melee (whatever you wanna call it) does more dps depends on the boss you are fighting

this is based on what ive tested

you can get like 30k per chain building even just building like 2 big chunky rm items like dawnbreak and splintered dawn. there are 15 chains at max

[wind robin]

Like running ms and using melee to get mana is still pure mana imo but the classification doesnt matter LOL

[native elbow]

yea

[wind robin]

How much sustained dps does this get

[native elbow]

well. it heavily depends on the boss you are fighting

if there is only the boss you will have shit dps

if there are two mobs you prob do like 200k

[wind robin]

So anything except nol its bad? .-.

[native elbow]

most places itll prob average around 140? dunno for sure. but like this is ballpark

[wind robin]

Wait what archetype is this

[native elbow]

I tested with rift but also the 200k is an estimate

[wind robin]

Wouldnt it be better riftbender

[native elbow]

realistically getting there is prob quite hard

idk ! i didnt try literally everything

[wind robin]

Fair lmao

Thanks ill test our riftbender when i get hone

[native elbow]

sounds good

[wind robin]

I finally have a use for the goa singus i have rotting in bank

[native elbow]

w

[wicked mirage]

Bro I don’t even think it’s good for me because courage impacts winded damage while this isn’t impacted by winded lol

• you don’t have steals in RW Singu

[native elbow]

admittedly AT support is weak not much IMs can do short run at least

[wary vapor]

oh look my thread's still open
neat

[wind robin]

Just tested singu dps and it seems kinda... low?

Idk maybe im doin something wrong but im hitting like 200k peak

Its singu riftbender tho not rw

[native elbow]

this doesn’t sound low lol?

[wind robin]

Maybe it just sounds low since im used to trance

[native elbow]

people are just used to way more this is not weak in my eyes

[wind robin]

Its similar to warp riftbender

Which yk has way more qol

[turbid glacier]

Many such cases

[grand ferry]

I think it's awesome, it's got insane base damage so you get a cool extra burst of damage in a spell build

[wraith urchin]

Dps standards are so cooked I'm surprised it's even hitting thatvmuhcvlol

It's just meant to be funny hybrid which is kinda ehj rn

[vast herald]

you could just go for rw and sustains with 2 mobs and mID

and your costs are 21 meteor 16 snake
you just need some decent mana steal stats for it

since each bounce procs your ms

js play arcanist atp 💔

[wraith urchin]

But but the funny big boom boom 🥺
Both mobs would die to a fallen before I can cook anyway

[vast herald]

it is smaller than meteor explosion

[flat geyser]

200k would be fine if the weapon itself had more QoL but instead it has -40% ws

[wind robin]

Plus its a rainbow weapon

And idk if attack speed tiers affect lb dps but theres that too

[marsh aspen]

I have a question... It seems the powder special from the major ID scales with spell damage? considering every other powder special scales from melee this seems weird to me

[topaz hare]

intentional with the hybrid damage nature of singu

only the final explosion does spell tho

the chains are melee

[marsh aspen]

bruh

thats even worse, half the powder effect scales from melee and half spell

it just doesnt make sense to me, shouldn't it all scale from melee

[wise aurora]

whenthe hybrid weapon's major id does hybrid damage

[marsh aspen]

ok but nobody is ever building "hybrid damage"

half the powder specials effects are gonna scale 0% w ID's from majority of builds

[fallen latch]

when the radiation splintered dawn

[marsh aspen]

ok but singu is a mage weapon

elemental % damage :/

[proud quest]

Darksteel helm rainbow sanc tech

to noones surprise 30sp is a valuable stat so uh ye

[unborn root]

singu should have a mid called +implosion that spawns a black hole when chaos explosion is procced and suck in everything before exploding

[nimble shoal]

Get ready for the new gaia major id

[fallen latch]

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