#Maybe make relic armor tradable [reasons why]

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gentle vapor
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The simple topic of this post is reasons why I think relic armor should be made tradable or more accessible. [level 40] This stems from several reasons, including its tediousness to obtain, and the way its stats have been power creeped over time. Even compared to other old sets its weak for its strength based on its level. While I get that relic armor is meant to be a more powerful adventures [level 24], the standard variant only has 30% more ehp... but loosing mana regen and walk speed at a 14 levels higher. Its also relatively on par with the outlaw set [level 36] a set slightly lower level and worse than both the snow [level 44] and ghostly sets [level 50].

In turn these sets drop from such rare mobs, that have 54 different relic item drops, ensuring that new players will never obtain them, in a standard playthrough. Leaving them simply as endgame very tedious inconvenient grinds, that have marginal gains compared to adventures sets. Since 30% more ehp matters little when grinding using adventures, as you either have a healer or die very quickly if not careful. While in turn the mana regen and mana steal plus spell damage from ghostly and snow massively outclass the incised xp bonus from the relic set. Since they can easily bridge the 25-50% xp gap in the sheer speed you can kill mobs. [remember to scale to level 50 to equalize skill points]

Even the wiki is outdated and doesn't track the elemental variants, since no one really cares about or uses the set the elemental ones in certain nieces. Which honestly feels like hearsay looking at Wynn builder, for an hour. Since even the elemental ones unless I'm missing something they simply have higher a slightly higher dps at the cost of xp bonus and hp. Although one good example of its niche is Haqherphix [level 42] and thunder relic... but even then simply use discord [level 40] + goblin [level 45] set, you get walk speed near double mana steal [21 vs 37] and more hp, at the cost of 10% damage. [but far easier spell spam]

Leaving these sets simply being inconvenient things to collect that I doubt any significant amount of players have ever obtained on their first playthrough. Since they are super rng and a pain to grind while also being outclassed by more easily accessible gear and sets on trade market.

The untradeable part of these sets feels more like a legacy mechanic from when relic shrines were a thing since if you explored enough or used the wiki you could easily complete the set relatively easy, and being strong for there time. An issue that is far harder now due to the existence of 6 different relic armor sets now each dropping from the same Rare mobs..

To put it simply, I believe due to the shear inconvenience of obtaining the armor pieces, it should be tradable on the trade market. Expssially since all the weapons are tradable. [there are 6 variants of 5 weapons and 4 armor pieces making 54 pieces in total...] Ensuring that only a very small amount of players ever obtain even a single complete relic armor set let alone all 6. Which means relic armor is functionally unattainable and therefore worthless in peoples first playthroughs.

however buffing the set or nerfing competing sets and armor could make it viable... But That doesn't fix the obtainability issue, which is an RNG nightmare.]

I will admit that the primary reason for me creating this post stems from 3 annoyances I have with relic armor.
First is relic weapons being tradable while armor isnt
Second is that I have killed over 100 relic guardians with Lb and LQ on warrior and still havent gotten air relic boots after over 450 relic items... [my luck sucks no suprise] [20+ hours grinding them, ran into 2 mother zombies grinding them.]
Third I'm unable to ever finish my enchanted legacy armor collection due to relic armor being untradeable [only icing on the cake for me]

Also sorry for my rant in the discord last time I talked about this... hope this version is more polite and well explained.

grizzled sparrow
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enchanted relic armor 🥺
even beside that i agree its unrealistic to assume players will get a full relic set on a first playthrough cuz of this

orchid obsidian
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surely this would never be a ploy to try to buy legacy armor

grizzled sparrow
orchid obsidian
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gg

spiral quail
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Honestly... I forget relik armor even exists

orchid obsidian
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i didnt read all of the post 🔥

gentle vapor
grizzled sparrow
spiral quail
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But yeah I don't get them being untradable at all

spiral quail
gentle vapor
orchid obsidian
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too forgetable </3

grizzled sparrow
orchid obsidian
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noname

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factions term mb

gentle vapor
# orchid obsidian surely this would never be a ploy to try to buy legacy armor

" will admit that the primary reason for me creating this post stems from 3 annoyances I have with relic armor.
First is relic weapons being tradable while armor isnt
Second is that I have killed over 100 relic guardians with Lb and LQ on warrior and still havent gotten air relic boots after over 400 relic items... [my luck sucks no suprise] [15-20+ hours grinding them]
Third I'm unable to ever finish my enchanted legacy armor collection due to relic armor being untradeable"

simple storm
grizzled sparrow
gentle vapor
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legacy armor is my 3rd reason. I have been annoyed with relic armor long before it... due to air relic boots.

spiral quail
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Mfw still no antique metal drop in abandoned sentinels

gentle vapor
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also how do you expect players to even get full relic sets at level...

simple storm
orchid obsidian
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ill dm

grizzled sparrow
gentle vapor
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made sense back pre gavel when only 1 relic armor type existed... now we have 6

grizzled sparrow
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and not even guarenteed drop
plus rare mob

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@orchid obsidian drop ip i ain googling allat

gentle vapor
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But now being untradable makes it near imposible to get one on ones first playthrough

simple storm
grizzled sparrow
simple storm
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and it's plenty strong at-level, though it could use a bit of a buff.

gentle vapor
simple storm
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really? I remember it hard carrying my mate while we were leveling.

gentle vapor
gentle vapor
valid ruin
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idk why relic armor is untradable but relic weapons are

gentle vapor
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read my post... I explined all of this even tve thunder relic armor alternative

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Its actully well researched...

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"54 different relic item drops"
this is the true issue and why I bolded it, and my true reason for being furious at it... I have wasted over 20 hours of my life killing over 100 of these relic guardians with endgame lb and lq gear, only to not get the last peice.

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will only become 60 when a 6th class is added for refrence...

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[since there 6 varients of 5 weapons and 4 armor peices..]

wet turtle
indigo spindle
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i love relic set i use them to lvl up(literally don’t wanna buy bad wolf and other xp armors)

gentle vapor
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Also relic is actully a nerf from adventuer in a way...
you loose 20% walkspeed and 12/5 mana regen.

indigo spindle
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at least i gain more ehp so I don’t randomly die in herb party

gentle vapor
gentle vapor
simple storm
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Flesh Cave on top

gentle vapor
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most mainly do flesh now.

simple storm
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Tree -> Spiders -> Spiders -> Flesh -> Waterfall (optional) -> Scrap -> Church (optional)

gentle vapor
gentle vapor
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ah

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you mean the tree with 4 spikes, serving as a cave entrence?

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If so then yeah I use that spot most of the time.

simple storm
gentle vapor
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might be the same thing but cant tell... since site map is outdated.

simple storm
gentle vapor
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ok. Then yeah different

simple storm
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I recommend it over the spikes, it's easier to grind at and seems a lot faster

gentle vapor
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ah ok

simple storm
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anyway, back on topic, I believe Relic Armor needs a less RNG based but still comparably difficult way to obtain it, and it should be buffed to cleanly outcompete other sets at its level. Other then that, I feel it holds a really cool niche, and having to obtain it yourself adds a lot to it.

gentle vapor
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makes sense.

gentle vapor
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oh one thing I frogot to mention... I ran into 2 mother zombies when grinding relic guardians...

gentle vapor
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1 in nassak. 1 in desert...

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2/4 times I have ever seen them... the first was back in like 2016/2017 in nassak and died to it XD
other was in the deltas region I think.

gentle vapor
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there is a reason I hate relic armor being untradable... I'm so sick of it... I dont want to grind for air relic boots anymore.. and my OCD Is killing me.

pseudo coral
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I think it should stay untradable but the way you obtain it needs looked at

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It doesn't help that the individual pieces are ass, imo move some of the set bonus onto the actual items

tawdry cosmos
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I wanted to grind for it but got burned out because it is so tedious that I stopped

gentle vapor
tawdry cosmos
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So please make it tradable

wise jetty
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The eternal struggle to be a collector

spring jungle
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No. I firmly disagree with your opinion on this matter. likent

dawn orchid
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Bruh you're obviously lying to buy legacy enchanted stuff it wasn't to long ago where i grinded my own air relic set for my acrobat assassin and it took me no less than 3 hours you can atleast be honest with your reasons instead of just straight up being manipulative the devs cant just change up the game for you everytime you need certain items like your way of reasoning to get what you want lk sickens me

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This how you look everytime you end your sentence with "..."

kind meadow
dawn orchid
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Are you implying that i got lucky?

kind meadow
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Why are you assuming bro is "manipulating the devs" when plenty of people have spent more time on this

kind meadow
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so yes, I'm implying that you're lucky

dawn orchid
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I had terrible RNG it quite literally took me more than 10 guards to get some of the relic parts and honestly if you struggle so bad at the mid game that you need relic gear you might just need to take on the grind for it

kind meadow
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First of all, no one struggling with midgame even really knows about the relic set. Second, it is very much entirely rng related so you can't just say "it only took me 3 hours" as if it's a universal experience

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I have seen ppl spend 20+ hours trying to complete one set before

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It's 4 specific drops from 4 very rare enemies

dawn orchid
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They are not rare

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20 hrs is just natural selecton atp

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Relic armor is something you should get if you have a skill issue or just want to minmax damage in mid game

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and im pretty sure there are great alternatives out there

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here literally just found one

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got 5 whole boxes from him too

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here another

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talkin bout some very rare mob

kind meadow
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there are multiple ppl in this thread saying how the grind burned them out, your personal experience is not the same as everyone’s

dawn orchid
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bro i found 2 in the span of 3 mins

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its not that deep

kind meadow
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“It’s not that deep”

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Like bro what

dawn orchid
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yeah and apparently the primary reason is to make it less grindy (surely not to buy legacy armor) js be upfront about it

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If he really wants all the armor sets he would have had them WAAAAAAAAY before he even posted this

kind meadow
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you can point out a problem without being affected by it lmao

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The legacy armor thing is pretty unique to the person posting but plenty of people have suffered trying to get relic armor

dawn orchid
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Then get something else

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no one struggles with mid game like you said

kind meadow
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also are you just assuming they’re lying?

dawn orchid
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yeah pretty much

kind meadow
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I think it’s sad how these armor sets are almost completely unused bc of how weird it is to get them

dawn orchid
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Its for only those who stuggle

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you just as manipulative as the OP

kind meadow
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dawn orchid
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yeah lol!

kind meadow
dawn orchid
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nah you just straight up glazing and over glorifying how hard it is to obtain

kind meadow
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pointing out that some people have very much spent 20 hours trying to get a set is not glazing, glorifying, or manipulating

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I’m literally just stating what people have experienced

kind meadow
dawn orchid
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So making the set tradable will make it not take 20hrs to obtain?

kind meadow
dawn orchid
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Some things should just not be obtainable with money

kind meadow
dawn orchid
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yeah so why bother

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just skip i then

kind meadow
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because it can be helpful to midgame players

dawn orchid
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Because of the overwhelming amount of people being stuck in nesaak

kind meadow
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If someone wants to use a random midgame set of armor, it shouldn’t take a complete rng amount of time to obtain, definitely not 20 hours

dawn orchid
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its not 20 hrs still

kind meadow
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That’s your own personal experience

dawn orchid
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how can it be my personal experience when i just found 2 in 3 mins i can find more if you want to so bad

kind meadow
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So you think every person who complains about getting it has been lying?

dawn orchid
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yeah the 4 people complaining about it will surely appreciate your valerous glazing rn

kind meadow
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There are plenty of people complaining about it, random midgame players should not have to put this much effort into getting a random set of armor

dawn orchid
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yeah cause why would you grind 3 hrs for a relic set if you can just buy a decent build of tm

kind meadow
dawn orchid
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Literally asking for something else the second post after

kind meadow
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dawn orchid
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Ok here is an idea then ask the devs to make them more common what about that?

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heres another btw

kind meadow
dawn orchid
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Well if there is a really good set for stuck mitgame players then there should be some kind of effort for obtaining it instead of just spending like 4le on TM

kind meadow
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The issue is that making them more common does not fix the fact that midgame players will not know that multiple mobs in different areas of the game drop it

kind meadow
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I don’t really think relic armor is some kind of magical solution to midgame though

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midgame players aren’t gonna know where to look to find relic guardians

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and even if they did know, there are 6 different sets so grinding to get even one complete set is too much effort

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If relic guardians were made more accessible and the rng aspect was toned down then they would be better

dawn orchid
kind meadow
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“Do their research” meaning search it up?

dawn orchid
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yea thats what i did

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the wynncraft wiki gives you a small circle in which they spawn

kind meadow
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yeah that’s just not a good solution, having to go to the wiki to find a random midgame set

dawn orchid
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Oh and you think its not the same with about literally everything else in the game

kind meadow
dawn orchid
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Ingredients, prof spots, certain gear all must be searched up on the wiki

kind meadow
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doing profs on your first playthrough is horrible

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I’m only talking about first playthroughs

dawn orchid
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you get the freedom on doing anything you would like to do

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so if some runescape gamer wants to do profs in first playthrough let them do it

kind meadow
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it is exceedingly rare for a first playthrough player to be interested in profs, so I think it’s fine for them to look up where the most efficient spots are

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Profs are not exactly important for exploration or discovery

dawn orchid
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so is the relic set really

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Is it wrong that profs take 200 hrs to get to lvl 100 now too?

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dont you think any other midgame player has complained about that too

kind meadow
dawn orchid
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bro ask them to make it more common then

kind meadow
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either way idk why you’re so against this

dawn orchid
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Its just incredibly direspectful

kind meadow
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dawn orchid
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The relic set is maybe one of the last bastions of exclusivity it would be incredibly direspectful to make them tradable now just for some chinese duper that joined 2 years ago to buy all full enchanted sets and then call himself old school

kind meadow
dawn orchid
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yeah make the regular one tradable would ALSO make the enchanted one tradable bro

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Just throw some dirt in the face of people that own the legacy one ig

kind meadow
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I don’t think exclusivity is a good reason to restrict midgame players from getting a midgame set

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but I think making it more common would work

dawn orchid
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Yeah me too

kind meadow
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Although idk how they would go about that since the issue isn’t entirely the relic guardian rarity

valid ruin
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just make the dang thing drop all 6 types of whatever it has at once if you want it more common ig, don't remember much about the spawning rates tho

dawn orchid
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If somebody wants the relic gear the means they know of their existance which means they can do their research about it thus just increasing spawnrate would work or make them drop some kind of token where you could choose what relic item you want at some relic merchant of some sort

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If the OP truly cared about the difficulty of obtaining the set why would he spesifically want it to be tradable there are many more ways to make it more obtainable

valid ruin
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token sounds a bit much tbh, just increase spawns ig

dawn orchid
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ye im already fine with how it is now but they can for sure increase spawnrate if people are this mad about a midgame set

kind meadow
kind meadow
dawn orchid
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yeah but having it as the last reason is just kind of bs imo if this OP was honest there would not be such a huge text wall of feedback but just "Hi could you please make the relic armor tradable so i can buy an enchanted set"

kind meadow
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This is feedback threads, wall of text = better trust

dawn orchid
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Yes thus having a higher chance of getting what you want

kind meadow
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and yeah it was added as an afterthought

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I’m sure that is the main reason

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But I also don’t think this is a lie just bc of that

dawn orchid
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youre telling me this guy who is known for collecting and also publicly stated that he spent over 1100 stx the past 9 months is doing this not of having the of chance to buy a set but to make the set more accessable for new players?

kind meadow
dawn orchid
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Oh please thats nothing compared to the grind of getting 1000stx to buy some 10 year old items you thinkg a measly 20 hours max grind will get them out of the way to write this huge text wall just to make obtaining a REGULAR relic armor easier thats just bs and you know it too

kind meadow
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I don’t think they made this post just because of their experience with a 20 hour grind

dawn orchid
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Ok ok, what im saying is there are better ways to fix this than just making the armor tradable

kind meadow
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Yeah I understand, I honestly think the token idea would work

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Especially if the merchant was put somewhere accessible so players would be able to find out about the existence of relic armor from them

dawn orchid
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yeah thats what im saying there must be a compromise for both players

wise jetty
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Legit never heard of these sets before this thread and I have 1.2k hours

kind meadow
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I only knew about them because wynntils says that adventurer set boxes could have relic pieces

gentle vapor
gentle vapor
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and I'm only missing 3... relic, outer void, and the new on they added.

gentle vapor
gentle vapor
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also its annoying that weapons and armor dont share the same tradability rules...

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I honestly far prefer the old relic shrine obtainment method to stupid relic guaridans.

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there is a point where being frustrated at one thing for more than reason makes you make a long post.

grizzled sparrow
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relic armor is so ass to get normally there sno way a normal player is getting half a set of it on a first playthrogh

gentle vapor
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I will admit enchanted relic set would be nice... But I still need regualar enchanted nether and enchanted snow... and I'm going to need to get loans to get them.. [200 stx]

gentle vapor
grizzled sparrow
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yeah

gentle vapor
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ALso the reason I never taked about regular relic armor normally is why even bring up collecting every set in the game when most can be bought off the tm. [trick and treat, and clock arnt ever obtainable] Like who cares about collecting all of them besides some people with to much time on tveir hands] Even then relic is infuriating making me give up on that quest.

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doubt I'm helping my argument with this but thought I would mention it.

grizzled sparrow
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even ignoring collectors this thing is so inacessible, so it should probably become trade and/or have its obtainment method be changed

gentle vapor
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also for refrence yes proffer and massive gave up on getting air relic boots.

dawn orchid
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Making the guardians more common or adding a token system would be the best way to tackle this problem then

pseudo coral
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The rymek canyon one is the worst by far

gentle vapor
dawn orchid
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yeah like it drops a token and there is some relic merchant

grizzled sparrow
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why token system ....

dawn orchid
grizzled sparrow
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does not make much sense to me and a new player is NOT backtracking to buy that shi

gentle vapor
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I would prefer tradable since it means I can both get air relic botts and enchanted relic set but atleast 1 of my issues, would be fixed by reworking obtainable method... [still dosnt fix my ocd] maybe relic waepons should also be made untradable.

pseudo coral
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Rymek one is the entire damn canyon 😭

grizzled sparrow
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tbh making the relic guardians a hidden world event would be cool asf

dawn orchid
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ik you would never want a token system because you dont care you just want to buy enchantable armor

gentle vapor
dawn orchid
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youre doubling down on ur lies twin

grizzled sparrow
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and guarenteeing 1-2 respective relic pieces per clear would be cool

gentle vapor
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Why not simply gurentee entire sets drop from certain relic guardians.

gentle vapor
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and its only the most recent

grizzled sparrow
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😭 the bait was too powerful

gentle vapor
dawn orchid
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I know you wont back down for any other comprimise other than making the set tradable because i know your primary goal here even the mods saw through it not even a minute after reading your thread i dont fw you

gentle vapor
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well back to working on my actual post I have been working on before I got distracted by a ping.

orchid obsidian
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that doesnt help your case at all i cannot lie

grizzled sparrow
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true asf

gentle vapor
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Yeah

gentle vapor
orchid obsidian
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🤷

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it doesnt help your post

gentle vapor
orchid obsidian
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in fact it makes the point your post is trying to get across worse