The Removal of Armor Breaker on Fallen

[indigo shard]

please do this it would be so funny

[subtle pewter]

its the kind of specific interaction that lots of games do to make things feel just right tbh

I think the only hard part is figuring out a new trigger method for ab

[atomic chasm]

what if it still triggers on corrupt but if it has a cooldown timer have the timer pause or refund the extra duration if you bloodlust or smth

[indigo shard]

maybe just making it trigger once at 50% hp on your next upper could work?

then have like 4 sec duration 12 second hard cd

numbers may be way off icl

[subtle pewter]

i agree with selvut having upper trigger something that buffs you does feel weird

[atomic chasm]

another idea could be to just make bpact cost less health or smth so its not directly a damage buff but a sustain buff

which would make you stay on low hp longer and provide a real risk to the archetype

[subtle pewter]

I think armour breaker should become a quick burst where you get a large damage buff (relatively compared to team buffs etc) for a short time where you absolute go IN on the mob

flying kick activates armour breaker 🔥

[indigo shard]

i think just letting it trigger when you pass maybe 30% corrupted and last 4 seconds would be really cool, it would greatly incentivize shredding through your healthbar quickly to get to your higher enaged blow scaling to stack with the strength and then maybe a 12 second cooldown so it cant be used every corrupted cycle

[subtle pewter]

like just simply "After losing x% health gain y% strength for z seconds"

[indigo shard]

yeah i think it could work

[analog verge]

gain 40% strength baby lets go fortitude 2

[subtle pewter]

fair enough im not sure

[analog verge]

it would be cool to have it be at like the very end of your corrupted bar to incentivise that last bit of damage

[indigo shard]

having it too low would mean you couldnt take advantage of the full 4 seconds though, and would also greatly incentivize mix mana or upperscream builds that precorrupt to 50% (which are alr kinda op)

[analog verge]

fair

[subtle pewter]

I just worry people would feel like they got scammed

like "oops i hit x% health lost and now i've got some strength but i missed the timing"

[atomic chasm]

i think it should be an active thing tbh

maybe off scream since fallen doesnt normally use it

[analog verge]

any chance you could have it trigger at the x% health and then have it end when corrupted ends?

[subtle pewter]

wouldnt that be crazy strong

[indigo shard]

i might be in the minority here but i actually love the idea of this as skill expression for the class

[indigo shard]

this is just like giving fallen innate permenant saviors sacrifice 😭

oh yeah the new AB should definitely work with SSAC btw im noit sure if str buffs work with hero alr but if it doesnt that might be smth to look into

[analog verge]

tbh that is kinda their problem

mindless mashing or macro spamming will get you wasted potential

[subtle pewter]

saviours sacrifice is its own damage buff alr

[indigo shard]

oh awesome ty

[potent plover]

Bashupper like bb also has crazy sustain with optimized comps I even precor to 50-60.

[indigo shard]

bash upper or gen? ive never seen a bb build that sustains 60% for like more than a second or two i might just be building it wrong tho lowk like how far off the usual caesura deli tera wchief EOTB build are u

[potent plover]

Slayer insteas of chiefs

Just normal bashupper

[indigo shard]

oh i see

yeah thats fair enough then actually yea

[potent plover]

Its the build ibeen playin rwcently. I enjoy it for the most part

[indigo shard]

thats actually rlly cool damn i may have to try

[stark kernel]

again, brink of madness. get the effect while under 40% health, if we're insistent on going with a buff instead of an activated effect

let 40% be the Big Threshold

[indigo shard]

brink is 25% xd

[stark kernel]

ah right. my fallen inexperience coming through, reversing the effect number and activation number

[indigo shard]

yeah no big deal, only reason i mention it is 25% would probably be too low to really utilize well, i like ~40-50 thouigh

[potent plover]

Yea ive also been playing upperscream with no cost reduction from gear nor mana. So basically very bursty.

[subtle pewter]

we'll probably go with uppercut still activating it (but not on a mob)

with a corrupt req still

[stark kernel]

I think that is gonna be incredibly awkward and a really obvious out of place patch

[analog verge]

i dont think it sounds too out of place given to be tied to uppercut since its a personal buff unlike radiance

[atomic chasm]

this shit sustains so well btw that i was able to take leaden fighter in tcc and litteraly forgot i took it

[indigo shard]

axe kick or no?

[atomic chasm]

u get both cheaper uppers on bupepr

axe kick is super free

[novel sable]

Idk how Wynn calculates damage after resist but in most games it’s
Dmg / resist
So
30% resist debuff would be
120/0.7 =171.429
Which is significantly different from 120*1.3 cause debuff would scale much easier than buffs so you should keep it a 30% self buff if you switch armor breaker to self buff instead of team debuff
Because simply switching from debuff to self buff is a damage loss for the player alone (this is if Wynn calculates based on division and not an odd multiplication )

[subtle pewter]

well it should be like i wrote it. if you have debuffed resistance (vulnerability in wynn) then the incoming damage is increased by that debuff percentage

resistance decreases the incoming damage by a %, vulnerability increases the incoming damage by a %

[meager elm]

HUGE