#Potential Guild raid TCC boss change (preemptive feedback)

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silent heron
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plague/ice snake makes it so easy to mass clear any healers/ads

bright yarrow
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My only complaint is why gatekeep this behind graids, why not a core every 20/33% with 20% reduction per in normal version too. Its a punching bag in both versions

gentle fox
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oh u meant

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nvm I thought u were talking about the raids being a guild thing

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mainly this is cuz I dont see there being this issue so much in the base raid

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the base raid is just fine for an average player

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and I dont wanna rock the boat on it + the harder raid is supposed to have more team based elements then the normal one

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the last time I made a TINY TINY CHANGE to the base raid a lot of people complained about it

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I still kept the change, but it was not too popular, a lot of people were like "Why are you updating the normal raid, it's fine as is"

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(The change as making TCC target platforms that players are on and turn to face where most players are often, instead of having him randomly attack platfroms even if no one was on it)

silent heron
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I have a feeling that ppl grinding raids are kinda adverse to change...

brittle matrix
# silent heron I have a feeling that ppl grinding raids are kinda adverse to change...

it really dedepnds, theres a decent portion of the leaderboard demographic that is only on there cause they enjoy the game and would love to have a harder challenge, but theres also a part of it that are somehow still skill issued after thousands of runs still and resent anything that makes it slightly harder to afk run their raid of choice 10+ hours a day

silent heron
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not that I necessarily agree with their opinion, ofc

brittle matrix
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oh i mean if its about aspects or loot its likely newer players which is more understandable

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when u said grinding raids i just defaulted to assuming leaderboards idk

silent heron
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both can be applicable

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reading what you said initially i believe you understood what i meant

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but yea, maybe someone in the know/have the statistics can comment about this, but I think the most active players are not the majority of players, i.e. a minority of players spend multiple hours per day playing Wynncraft. Though it is that minority of players who feel targeted the most when it comes to changes to raids, and are usually quite vocal about it

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Not to entirely disregard what they have to say about raids/changes, it's totally valid for players to want to feel like their time is worth spending, and entirely not impossible for someone to just want a laid-back experience (me included), but it's hard to please everyone and stagnation isnt the way to go. Ppl who know a raid inside and out can prob provide some p good insight though

charred basalt
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just kidding all for the srs

gentle fox
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Im not gunna do something that I believe is unpopular, and I do not think is needed, just becuase a few people want it

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which is why I wont be updating the base raid

silent heron
vagrant zenith
vagrant zenith
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I'm worried about the Culture Score Index of average wynncraft player

gentle fox
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never add a tl'dr, type your shit king

sinful geode
meager fern
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excuses

reef patio
dire grove
brittle matrix
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OH MY GOD NO FUGUH IS ON TRICKSHADE CATA

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💔

reef patio
reef patio
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does does apply some debuff but i have no clue what it is

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some Fist icon. maybe the weaken? but it definitely doesnt apply armour break

brittle matrix
reef patio
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beats me Shrug

brittle matrix
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crazy that EC doesnt apply weaken tho and nobody notices for this long cause fallen is just doing its job as well 😭

reef patio
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ok after some testing

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with Toxoplasmosis to get a perfectly consistent aura damage

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it does actually apply the debuffs, it just doesnt show that it's doing it i think? either that or whatever that Fist icon is what the debuff is

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the Earth Damage on my auras went from 112 without it active to 134 with it active

brittle matrix
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that is infact a 20% increase huh

long raven
brittle matrix
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vro read below 💀

dire grove
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cuz if they stack that might be a real issue

brisk seal
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they are discovering things oh no

reef patio
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i thought they didnt

brisk seal
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surely the 2 debuffs that are the same number and the "same" effect can't possibly stack :clueless:

reef patio
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do you know if they do? i cant test rn

dire grove
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well they stacked on ec release

brittle matrix
dire grove
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which is why i was assuming that ec didnt armor break

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when ec got armor break, its ab stacked with warrior ab

brittle matrix
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oh wtf

dire grove
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doom

reef patio
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SuperShock HUH

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NAH THIS SHIT HAS TO GO WTF 😭

brittle matrix
dire grove
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uh the icons do i didnt bother to poison cancel it

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the damage definitely went up tho

summer copper
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ok gg

brittle matrix
dire grove
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its prolly worth properly testing

summer copper
dire grove
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that was litteraly just me castring ec and a friend ab to see if the number got bigger

brittle matrix
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this is a really random thought but i think its so funny poison has like the worst qualities of true damage and regular damage put together like god damn this stat is shunned and despised, is not amplified by any buffs whatsoever and yet still gets reduced by def/agi/res lmfao

jagged jackal
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wynncraft the pickaxe colossus

craggy hornet
tall harness
reef patio
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the 112 is with venge

tall harness
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Word

jagged jackal
quick bronze
drowsy lake
quick bronze
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is it like 1 texture per pickaxe durability?

drowsy lake
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Wdym

quick bronze
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wdym "wdym"

drowsy lake
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Oh

It’s Custom Model Data

quick bronze
drowsy lake
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Ok so you know the system durability

quick bronze
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system has durability now HWAT

drowsy lake
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Where each durability is a different model
(e.g. dura 1 is T1 neutral relik, dura 2 is T2, and so on)

quick bronze
drowsy lake
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Okay so Custom Item Model’s literally the same thing

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Except there’s no limit to how many numbers to can set on any item

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And since it doesn’t depend on durability you can use this on any item

quick bronze
drowsy lake
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Look at what item the ability tree nodes are made out of

rare zephyr
drowsy lake
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They still do use durability for stuff like prop models

jagged jackal
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a bunch of items are horse armors which don't have durability but that's like the extent of my knowledge

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with that u can come to the conclusion that it's not durability based

craggy hornet
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Yeah older models r durability based mostly I think

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Just try mining with a diamond pick or axe or smth in vanilla fr

silent thorn
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this @reef patio guy is already leaking epic aco tech wtf 😭

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bags out of water pack up

gilded narwhal
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so that they do not break

tough hare
# dire grove

i will test using this process

arcanist doing stable dmg to get a dps number range

ec range increase % being measured

ab range increase % being measured

ec + ab range increase % being measured

based on this we can figure out IF it stacks, and IF it does, HOW it stacks (additively or multiplicatively)

reef patio
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with no powders it has 3-3 base

tough hare
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does poison get affected by vuln?

reef patio
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uh idk but you can just ignore the poison

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if you Aura it will give you the exact same damage every time

tough hare
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poison ticks will influence the dps numbers unfortunately

reef patio
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ok but just ignore the DPS and look at the individual aura numbers

dire grove
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u can just use amulet of rejuvenation no?

tough hare
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ah fair

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ok thanks

jagged jackal
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amulet of rejuvenation will make your attacks deal 0 as well lol

dire grove
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oh yeah forgot about that part

gentle fox
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video showing off the basics of the mechanic

vagrant zenith
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i like the position where it was placed, is on the back (which is not usually a place where you can find players at so it adds the need of moving between platforms) and is also on a side, so you can still dodge other attacks

gentle fox
vagrant zenith
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maybe 4 instead of 3 would be nice, the 3th one on the center can be killed easy at that position

gentle fox
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its meant to be a little easier

vagrant zenith
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ohh then i guess is fine

gentle fox
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also i just made another change

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switching the onyx axons and the pesky healers

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to the healers get shot out to the back

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and the axons spawn up front

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cuz people just AOE the healers while attacking TCC

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before they do anything

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and the axons are often just ignored

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doing this fixes both issues

vagrant zenith
quick bronze
brittle matrix
gentle fox
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I thought about making it huge for the video just as a joke

reef patio
gentle fox
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like as big as TCC

reef patio
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what are the stats on The Salter 2

brittle matrix
quick bronze
silent laurel
quick bronze
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and then +100% main atck so it can do 200k per hit

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and then base stats would be 1-1 neutral

silent laurel
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Nah it just has a shitton of base dps

quick bronze
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silly me using backwards logic instead of forwards yet again

gentle fox
vagrant zenith
gentle fox
vagrant zenith
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you could reuse models from both, you would just need a recolor for the gem and fits the theme

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i was imagining something like tena and sacred heart from atlantis scene

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but with axons

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something like this

Heart_of_Atlantis.webp
spark oyster
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although maybe a green/blue gem might fit better

dire grove
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Can we have this as a pet

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I love him

sinful geode
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ong

brisk seal
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LumiTCCCore pet available in bonfire

craggy hornet
meager fern
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Lumia freely sharing GM videos smilers

vagrant zenith
fickle lance
brisk seal
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could we get 99% resistance instead of 100? or is that just not good.

gentle fox
gentle fox
meager fern
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but didn't you already get feedback on the idea

long oak
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i cant believe u leaked the salter 2 wtf

meager fern
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just put it in and if it's bad fix it for the next cycle lol

long oak
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we worked on that for ages .

meager fern
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that's what cycles are somewhat for

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fix shit give wide range of people two three weeks to mull it over, fix it if it turned out suboptimal

gentle fox
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should be called the Lumi

vagrant zenith
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The Lumier 2 when?

silent laurel
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i remember having to tell people that it was not a new mythic

long oak
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i do remember upgraded phoenix being in the trailer and some people thinking it was a new mythic

gentle fox
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its been around for like 3 years and its a dev item so it doesn't matter if people know about it

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unless its a secret dern update item

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that comes out in 10 years

silent thorn
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"If The Salter is so good, then why isn't there a The Salter 2?"

gentle fox
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the OG salter was actually made for 1.19

silent laurel
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That one's a wand

silent thorn
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Can't wait for the Salter 6 where it is just an amalgamation of weapons

gentle fox
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each update gets its own salter

silent thorn
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A weapon to surpass Bob

gentle fox
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1.19 The Salter 2.0 The salter 2, 2.1 the salter 3

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A real question for the room, For the cores Do you think they should move slowly?

You can see where they would spawn in the video, but my worry is it would make getting to them a pain in the ass if the platform is gone, so I think a VERY SLOW movespeed might help with that

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but then my other worry with them moving is they would just move up front leading to them getting killed by everyone there, or making them too easy and feel like just another minion

upper dome
gentle fox
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idk then when the platform comes back

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its now in an odd place

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like they could end up all on the middle platform

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cuz that platform just didn't happen to be broken

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when the first 2 spawned

brittle matrix
gentle fox
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I get what ur saying

brittle matrix
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like if theyre floating a class like fallen or shade would go through absolute hell to kill them and seeing as they can lock progression and engage a soft wipe mechanic i think they should prolly be accessible

gentle fox
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my only worry would be people camping on the far out platforms but base TCC doesn't really have that issue anyway

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and u could technically camp as sharp on the very far back platforms and only be hit by like 3 attacks

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but no one does it

brittle matrix
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yeah i didnt wanna be too dissmissive but in my hundreds of runs i dont think ive ever seen camping be exploited well and when its tried it usually just doesnt work at all, not to mention like that very far back platform is already just as good a spot as they might be

gentle fox
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it makes their fight more controllable on my end

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so they dont randomly get smashed with a sword breaking platforms

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and I could justify making the cores harder by that

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also if 1 of them spawned every 10% HP camping on them would kinda be a dumb idea lol

brittle matrix
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yeah i think avoiding an x factor like terrain destruction will definitely allow the most curated difficulty tuning, you could maybe have them emit a strong heat in a small aoe that starts to damage players close enough to camp on the platforms they spawn on to further discourage it but idk if that would even be necessary

gentle fox
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i kinda want their fight to be like old TCC head fight

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where its a ton of projectiles coming out from all sides of the core

brittle matrix
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oh wait they wont just be like a dummy to hit?

gentle fox
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no

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they are a boss

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mini boss

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rn my idea is 1 mill HP

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and attack on their own with projectiles as most of TCC's biggest counters are more vulnerable to projectile attacks

brittle matrix
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oh thats so cool actually, yeah give them their own platform you can fight them on, instead of having them die make them go inactive and while theyre inactive they make the heat so that you cant camp their platforms

reef patio
silent thorn
vagrant zenith
vagrant zenith
craggy hornet
summer vigil
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Based

dull shadow
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New solutions:

  1. I Rly like the idea of collosus "crossing his hands", but adding a unvulnerability phase would be punnishment for nothing, so my ideas:
  • every X seconds make him cross hands and get a defensive buff (resistance) + for graid make him get a shield and depending on the amount of that shield left make him do some dmg in 1-2 closest platforms (after the attack the rest of the shield vanishes)
  • add a dps cap, but not to be annoying, just if your party deals enough dmg make him do the thing i said in idea 1, but make it IMPOSIBLE (or as close to possible) to activate it as 1 or 2 ppl
  1. about the cores, i dont think it would be a good idea if it wouldnt be easy to kill solo so 1 person goes to do it and others still kill him, give them at least some tankiness so 2-3ppl can kill it fast, and if you are solo make them spawn them in a much more time difrence

Ideas not mentioned in the first part of the tread (if thoose are in the later section im sorry, i dont want to scroll for eternity):

  1. his swing that makes the whole arena (accept all the way back) is an attack that lets some of the debuffs on him disapear and you have to run, if you dont you risk death, and thats good, makes you play safely for a bit. Also the attack that destroys one of the platform lines (right/middle/left), but its too easy to dodge, i dont want to say to change it but to make something new, similar to the lava attack on the front platforms in graid, but that is still easy to dodge, my idea is to make a targeted ability at the platforms where players are standing, the whole platform so players have to either stand on the same platform risking getting smashed or play all on difrent platforms and risk not being able to dmg the boss for a time

im out of ideas, if i come up with something else i will edit it here

gentle fox
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"about the cores, i dont think it would be a good idea if it wouldnt be easy to kill solo so 1 person goes to do it and others still kill him, give them at least some tankiness so 2-3ppl can kill it fast, and if you are solo make them spawn them in a much more time difrence" I am really confused by what u mean by this

dull shadow
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yes

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ill rewrite that in a bit

gentle fox
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are you saying it is not a good idea because it cant be killed easilly as a solo player in the raid?

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or that it should only be able to be dealt with quickly by multiple players

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so like, do you dislike the idea because 1 person cant solo easily the boss with these cores in play?

Or do you dislike the idea that 1 person CAN solo the core easily, and it should require more than 1 person?

dull shadow
gentle fox
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I mean that would be true just because of the DPS

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i do agree thoe

dull shadow
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just like defense buff it if only 1 person attacks it (accept if there is 1 alive)

dull shadow
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  • make the golems in challange 2 be fasteeeer
gentle fox
dull shadow
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:(

dire grove
supple willow
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maybe core amount should be capped by amount of alive players?

gentle fox
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as it encourages people to want their teamamtes to die

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so they can solo it themselves

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which is very unhealthy mindset

brittle matrix
# gentle fox which is very unhealthy mindset

genuinely not trying to pull a gotcha with this but are tnas attacks not completely contradictory to this philosophy? is it just a different design completely or whats the idea cause idk it feels like everytime i play tna i am praying for the untimely demise of at least one person if not the whole team 😭

gentle fox
brittle matrix
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gotcha

summer copper
stable vector
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i feel like pillars should exist in non graid but maybe make graids take 3 beams or something instea

gentle fox
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When I first proposed the idea it was for all Tna raids

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But most agreed p finder would fail at it so hard

opaque wing
gentle fox
dull shadow
supple willow
quick bronze
gentle fox
gentle fox
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tbh I would be for removing it but I can't just remove a whole room from a raid without permission

supple willow
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what if last buff room was expanded and moved there

gentle fox
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the way the whole raid system backend works I'd have to retoll stuff, then ofc it would prob have to be done for all raids for consistency

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so it ends up being a lot and something I need to get permission for

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even if I could the answer is gunna be, spend that time working on fruma lol