Reward Players who find Game-breaking Exploits

[tall pivot]

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[next ginkgo]

yeah this is a real "..." post

[weary zephyr]

awe mane why was the message deleted

[tall pivot]

@vast shard show yourself, what was the original message

[next ginkgo]

im like 90% sure the reasoning was "incentive to not cheat"

[weary zephyr]

@vast shard got cold feet?

[weary zephyr]

well yea that will be it but what if its more nuanced

[next ginkgo]

@vast shard come outside we won't jump you

maybe OP hoards game breaking bugs and is waiting for a reason to turn them all in 🔥

[vast shard]

English is not my first language, I was a bit unsure if it was structured right. Sorry guys, I'll redo it later and double check so that it looks more professional, and a bit more in depth type and with some recommendations

[frosty adder]

( I have been educated )

[weary zephyr]

no they dont? 😹

[tidal pumice]

this has actually happened before I believe during betas with the trade market

[frosty adder]

Most people do here

[weary zephyr]

im glad most people you interact with do

but I dont think its representative of the entire playerbase

[next ginkgo]

no we don't 😹

[frosty adder]

I mean fair enough ._.

[tall pivot]

what was given out

[hasty wharf]

i think rewarding ppl who find dupes is also about ppl going out of their way to find dupes and report them

in sb i accidentally found a dupe and got a gamebreaker and 250$ in store credit and i would be lying if i said i didnt try to find more dupes after that

[frosty adder]

Hmm true

[clear prairie]

oh you sweet summer child.. some ppl do, which i am glad

[frosty adder]

-# I did not think this out correctly

[clear prairie]

I don't think it is a bad thing to reward players who report game-breaking exploits, so that they could be patched in a future update. The amount of players and player interaction 100% outscales the ability of any QA team simply by sheer numbers. Players may occasionally stumble upon exploits, bad actors are gonna be trying to find exploits and keep the method to themselves, it's almost inevitable something will slip past previous testing imo, so why not incentivize people to bring attention to exploits, which exists regardless of player reward?

[copper carbon]

I don't actually disagree with this idea

many companies do this for security issues; they'll reward you monetarily for reporting an issue responsibly

[tidal pumice]

LE pretty sure

[tall pivot]

neat

[tidal pumice]

long time ago now but yea just cause the insane amount of bugs but yea I mean not against this as a general rule but very tedious to implement

[copper carbon]

the problem with doing this for wynncraft is having someone to actually triage these issues and hand out rewards, manage duplicates, classify what's "game-breaking" and how much should be rewarded, etc

[tidal pumice]

^ tedious!

[gray compass]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776139325960093715/1306706731920785408/attachment.gif

[frosty adder]

I get it

[clear prairie]

Yea it make sense there are a lot of duplicate and minor bug reports, totally valid how it can be tedious to define/sort through bugs. Say, what happens if multiple people report a bug that allows you to be invulnerable during a boss fight? How many ppl do we reward/FIFO?

[hasty wharf]

in skyblock only dupes coiunt as gamebreaking exploits afaik

[copper carbon]

typically only the first person who reports it would get the reward

[hasty wharf]

yeah

[clear prairie]

But I think some bugs certainly can be more exploitable than others though. Some issue that allows duping from my pov is certainly more important than a visual/display issue given how it can affect the player market + the follow-up item cleanup can be difficult or just impossible to do :/. Maybe some clear guidelines can be written to define what counts as exploits, and what doesnt? iirc someone here mentioned there used to be an archer bug that allowed you to stack resistance

[hasty wharf]

dupes should be incentivized to report because they literally can fuck up the economy and ruin shit for the entire playerbase through rollbacks

[copper carbon]

i dont think wynn has ever had a rollback

[hasty wharf]

i thought they had one a few y ears ago ?

[clear prairie]

i'd imagine a rollback would affect too many players negatively to be worth it

[steep finch]

it has had player rollbacks in super super super limited capacity, but not network wide afaik

[solemn arrow]

i think the only rollbacks that happened were the ones where like

entire bank was wiped start of 2.1 due to broken account bank data

[last brook]

They wanted incentive to help, which is fair

[solemn arrow]

maybe some before but that was the most recent case of it

[steep finch]

As for the actual post topic, I agree with the idea the problem is if the reward is too good players will start doing shady things (like dupes only possible with clients) just for the reward

[solemn arrow]

i mean tbh at that point i think it would be better for the reward to be a cosmetic of some kind (scaling cosmetics the more you report maybe idk)

[clear prairie]

Cosmetic is a pretty cool idea tbh, untradable and personal

[solemn arrow]

but also i talked about this with someone in dms just now but an issue in its current state is just that the bug report system is shitty

[steep finch]

give the QA pet at 1000 valid reports 🔥

[solemn arrow]

erm

but anyways

[steep finch]

bug report system is terrible

[solemn arrow]

bug report system could use a bit of a revamp before anything like this yeah

[steep finch]

I send actual bugs to people and if it isn't fixed womp, I am not doin allat 🔥

[clear prairie]

It is just the forums atm, right?

[steep finch]

Well issue 1 with the bug reports is you can't reply to them

Issue 2 is they don't confirm stuff pre-update

issue 3 is being right and saying its fixed then it breaking again now you look stupid

[clear prairie]

I dont think this is a very widespread concern, maybe im wrong, though

[solemn arrow]

you are wrong

fixing stuff breaks other things sometimes

its a very common occurance

[steep finch]

Issue is more notable when its something preventing progress

1.19 A journey beyond softlock, it was 'patched' like 6 times

[clear prairie]

oh yea totally, i am not saying that, i am talking about the "looking stupid" part

[steep finch]

made the people saying its fixed look like goobers, when in reality it was stupid stuff they couldn't know

[solemn arrow]

yeah no you are still wrong i hate to say

i have seen ct get clowned on for fixing something and having another issue pop right up in its place

[gray compass]

...

I believe it

[steep finch]

you guys need to realise ct get clowned on for things they DONT do, let alone things they slightly touched

[solemn arrow]

^

[steep finch]

Like wynn vc (high iq users I know) will quite often unironically say mods nerfed their build

[solemn arrow]

yeah they deserved it

[steep finch]

or my favorite saying they hide their build so mods can't inspect them and find it 💀

[solemn arrow]

😂

[weary trellis]

this would make keeping bugs a secret or using them less apealing, i agree

[solemn arrow]

to be fair builds are gatekept because people think ct will nerf them if they see them

[steep finch]

As if the item team don't know the items

[gray compass]

They did nerf my build tho 💔

[clear prairie]

yea sure, but not the crux of what i am saying, not uncommon for playbase to clown on any problem faced by devs, sometimes it's bc they dont know what goes on in the background, sometimes it's bandwagoning, but what i was saying is that, most of the ppl i've worked with understand that, and tries not to take it personally. Again, I am not saying patches will not introduce new issues, nor am i saying ppl wont say anything negative about CT or devs, i'm saying that the concern of appearing "stupid" in front of ppl who don't understand is kinda a valid but unwarranted response

[solemn arrow]

they do but sometimes there are silly interactions..

[steep finch]

Then good on them

makes builds more interesting

[gray compass]

Uh no it made a bad build even worse

[steep finch]

it isn't like your build will do 10% more damage than average and an emergency hotfix will happen

[solemn arrow]

actually we hotfix for 5% more interactions

😼

[gray compass]

Not the place to talk ab it tho

[steep finch]

yeah it is, where is my reward for finding the 64 stacked blue warp bank page 🗣️

[weary trellis]

game breaking exploits do have to be defined clearly

[hasty wharf]

i think its pretty obvious that it should only be dupes

[steep finch]

nah, instead you say its up to discression of whoever, and not everything gets a prize

like lets say you find a dupe, and you tell your friend (who also reports dupes) that you're reporting it, so you both end up reporting it

[clear prairie]

that comes back to the time spent on triage

[steep finch]

who gets the prize?

[hasty wharf]

i found a dupe on skyblock, invited two of my friends who had admin connections, we all got $250 in store credit + a gamebreaker

as long as theres no proof of whoever found it first then both can get one ? 🤷 better than no-one getting a reward

[clear prairie]

but i think a modicum of discretion is necessary, but i think a guideline would serve well to reduce time spent on most feasible cases. e.g. duping, invuln, one-shots -> exploits vs skins not applying, bugs that offer no positive effect to players -> no rewards

[gray compass]

What's a gamebreaker?

[hasty wharf]

i dont think stuff like skins not applying and other random bugs should offer any reward bc the incentive to report them is because the bug is annoying lol
the reason to incentivize reporting dupes should be a thing is because otherwise there is no real motivator to report it other than like bc u have good morals or whatever

[hasty wharf]

its a special item in hypixel skyblock rewarded to people who people who find "gamebreaking exploits" (dupes)

[solemn arrow]

there is a point of discretion where this could be abused. so meh

oh wow.... my entire guild is reporting this game breaking dupe at the same time :3

what are the odds..

[hasty wharf]

yeah true lmao

[solemn arrow]

and also like

[last brook]

Hypixel Skyblock is able to handle this on a much larger scale just fine

[solemn arrow]

you are sharing an abusable bug to your friends too 🤨

[hasty wharf]

i have no clue how often that would even happen but like surely someone doesnt spread dupes to their friends and guild even ??

[solemn arrow]

which is a bannable offence on wynn btw

[gray compass]

Is it just an untradeable trophy?

[last brook]

not untradable

[hasty wharf]

its a tradable

[weary trellis]

it could happen realistically, like the lvl 131 api bug

[clear prairie]

well here's the thing though, moderator discretion applies too, you dont need to reward everyone who seems to be abusing the report system, no?

[solemn arrow]

to be fair thats not necessarily a gamebreaking exploit though

[weary trellis]

idm if its on a first come first served bias, maybe extended to 2 other players?

[ornate mural]

lowkey agree tho

[solemn arrow]

it wouldnt be up to mods who gets a reward tbh

[hasty wharf]

dude there cannot be this many dupes on wynn that it would create a problem where it becomes tediouis to have to give out so many rewards to players

[clear prairie]

then who?

[solemn arrow]

probably support

[weary trellis]

it was a bit jarring, not being able to see who is online, not being able to see if some chief mass kicked everyone instantly, oranything else

[clear prairie]

then support's discretion, still stands

[solemn arrow]

wait am i thinking of a different one then?

[gray compass]

How much does it go for?

[solemn arrow]

i was thinking you meant the one where xp just shows as 0 for 131/132

[hasty wharf]

its like 5 bil or more on ah idk maybe 10b right now i havent played sb in so long i have no idea

[weary trellis]

its the one that made taq invisible to the api due to reaching lvl 131, recently like 1 month ago

[solemn arrow]

oh that i see

[ornate mural]

10b+

[gray compass]

When was the last big dupe anyway

[solemn arrow]

thought you meant prof xp lmfao

[gray compass]

In terms of le?

[last brook]

I don't understand why you're acting like this isn't already a solved problem on all levels, Hypixel literally has this exact system working flawlessly, with massive groups working to find bugs without the devs having to do anything beyond giving them a sparkly item every once in a while.

[last brook]

a few stacks

[solemn arrow]

crazily enough this isnt hypixel

so stuff is going to be different

🤯

[weary trellis]

you can have less sparkly items for those non gamebreaking exploits

[solemn arrow]

shocker i know

[hasty wharf]

id compare it to like 100stx

[last brook]

name one difference that would apply here?

it's a huge server with guilds and alliances of all forms, with significant advantage gained from exploiting bugs

[hasty wharf]

im just comparing it to skyblock because i believe they have a functional and good system in place to reward players who report dupes

[rustic slate]

It doesn’t suck your soul out of you body

[ornate mural]

few hundred stx

[clear prairie]

1 Brazilian LE

[last brook]

not even close

I get 1b a month just from being afk

[gray compass]

Damn

[rustic slate]

One looks up the country Zimbabwean LE

[last brook]

and I've hardly progressed

[gray compass]

I mean I've played a decent amount of wynn and haven't heard of any dupes coming to light?

[ornate mural]

ive been offered 30m/stx

[hasty wharf]

why do u think that is bro 😭 😭 😭

[last brook]

those who snow

[gray compass]

Maybe u right lmao

[ornate mural]

ign?

[tidal pumice]

i find this so funny because when good builds are discovered like this genuinely its like well, you should be rewarded for using the system and being able to find a nice synergy

[last brook]

take a guess buddy

[rustic slate]

Sb or wynn

[ornate mural]

nice 10b/month

[tidal pumice]

liek thats the beauty of the system... we dont just nerf stuff because its good or something is synergistic.

[last brook]

I told you I don't play that shit game

[ornate mural]

ur legit just talking out of ur ass lol

[rustic slate]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-chattering-teeth-scared-spooky-gif-22755553

[last brook]

I remember buying the upgraded version of AotE for 50b just off of minions

[rustic slate]

Ok yeha you have no idea what ur on abt

It never costed 50b

[dry falcon]

you're thinking of millions

[last brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167933744330592317/1353226072409505863/attachment.gif

[gray compass]

Hypixel Skyblock thread

[rustic slate]

Source: I played as a sweaty dungeon player for 2 years

[hasty wharf]

he ragebaiting

[ornate mural]

best minion setup is still only like 3b/month and thats with daily refueling (+20b initial cost XD)

[rustic slate]

Ur Defo on millions lol

Not bills

[last brook]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-or-fact-call-it-jjba-gif-4356782155168095918

[rustic slate]

Totally should slide me all that money to pay off my debts (I owe people way to much)

./j

[frosty adder]

Isn't like 20 - 30m

[last brook]

I will be logging on to Hypixel and seeing exactly how much my minions have made because I am quite probably completely wrong.

[ornate mural]

yea but they used to be 50m with etherwarp

[last brook]

I'd still take 1stx for 30m any day if it wasn't bannable

[weary trellis]

hsb talk in my bug feedback

[gray compass]

Isn't bannable if they don't catch you

[last brook]

anyway, gamebreakers are great

[tall pivot]

mcchicken

[last brook]

it is if I talk about it in their server in the channel they're most likely to read

[ornate mural]

delete all ur messages there are no logs!!

[gray compass]

Hurry hurry!!!

[clear prairie]

yea that's gonna happen regardless right? To put it simply, ppl will complain or joke about incompetence, while I agree it can be hurtful, I don't think being afraid of "looking stupid" is conducive to improving the game. Unnecessary comments are unnecessary, all the more reason to not let it get to you 🤷

[solemn arrow]

You can say "just don't let it get to you" all you want but it's never that simple

🤷

[severe stag]

Ill do it fr

[solemn arrow]

People telling you to kill yourself and that the content you make is shit and that you suck at being a ct really does impact motivation regardless of how you want to dismiss it as "just ignore it"

[severe stag]

As much as it will never happen a discord based bug report system would be 🔥 🔥

[copper carbon]

I offered to do it once I think lol but the bug reporting system is just trash

[clear prairie]

okay, that is reasonable, but death threats are much different than "looking stupid" right? Besides, realistically, those degenerates who give death threats will exist, how will you deal with it?

[severe stag]

Or at LEAST getting feedback on if a bug was patched or not would be very helpful for many reasons the primary one being the ability to know if you can attempt certain content or not and a secondary one being the satisfaction you get from seeing a bug get fixed that you reported

[rustic slate]

become American frfr mods this is a joke don’t mute me

[severe stag]

For example before 2.0? i think or maybe 2.1 there was a bug where i just couldnt access tcc or nol raids and i had no idea when this was patched it would have been nice to know so i wouldnt waste my time going back after every patch and trying again to see if it worked

The only way i actually knew that it was not an isolated incident with me and was an actual bug was talking to a ct member on discord 😭 and i see bugs be directly address when they're accidentally posted in #1019649786799996980 all the time too and idk why that cant be a universal thing for all bug reports

[solemn arrow]

Figure out a way to deal with it is a dogshit excuse idk what to tell you

I'm not gonna entertain you further with opinions like that

[clear prairie]

I feel like you're misinterpreting what i have been trying to say

I have been very clearly against what ppl say to degrade devs/mods

[lethal moat]

wouldnt be the first time for #1019649786799996980

[copper carbon]

just post your bug reports to constructive feedback in the form of feedback

[severe stag]

This but unironically

[lethal moat]

real

[copper carbon]

"You can get stuck in the ground in NOTG" (bug report) -> "Getting stuck in the ground in NOTG feels bad for gameplay" (Constructive feedback)

[clear prairie]

All i am saying is, sometimes ppl are gonna be assholes, but I dont think devs/ct/mods shouldnt forgo their responsibilities because they worry about "looking stupid". That is not to invalidate how hurtful some comments can be, but if your main concern is afraid of appearing "stupid", idk if moderation is right for you

[gray compass]

Do I get a bug bounty for that

[copper carbon]

not game breaking :^)

[lethal moat]

same works for suggestions

[clear prairie]

that's why english classes are important lol

[copper carbon]

besides I already fixed it so yeah

[gray compass]

[rugged raptor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262010576295821312/1306790978383773717/attachment.gif

[unreal yarrow]

Is the bug report reward 100 festival crates

[gaunt cairn]

if you report a very important bug to me and I can fix it I'll name a mob in Fruma whatever u want (with in reason)

[tall pivot]

Gobb2

[gaunt cairn]

report an important bug to me that I can fix

[tall pivot]

holy moly

i must break the game
posthaste

[gaunt cairn]

remeber I mostly do mob and boss design, if its a dupe I cant fix it lol

thoe if you found a dupe keep that shit to yourself and make bank (lumi advice) JOKE JOKE /s /s JOKE JOKE >:( dont be an idiot, not my fault if ur a dumbass

[tall pivot]

oh do you know about TNA Graid Eye Attack causing really weird animation cancelling/breaking

[gaunt cairn]

no I dont

what do u mean

[tall pivot]

i dont have any clips of it but usually further into the bosses HP when it begins to do attacks faster, the Eye attack can sometimes come out at what seems to be the same time as other attacks and cause really weird animation cancels or breaks, sometimes even causing Greg to move perpetually in the direction he is facing for the duration of the Animation and it is extremely weird

[gaunt cairn]

hmm yee that sounds like 2 attacks overlapping

I can take a look

thoe I will not literally name a mob gobb2!

[tall pivot]

MY DAY IS RUINED

[gaunt cairn]

thoe perhaps the gobb family is not complete just yet

new gobbs?

[tall pivot]

😱😱😱😨😨😨

[gaunt cairn]

(secret fruma lore leak)

[tall pivot]

the gobb bloodline must live on

[tall pivot]

oh and to add on to this a little bit, not sure if it’s something that can be fixed but if greg does the eye attack inside of a portal that causes the eyes to spawn in a block, they just blow up upon spawning and dont do anything

[clear prairie]

where did gobb come from, i swear i've seen it mentioned in game before but i forgot where/when

[naive sail]

its in tna tree room i believe

just a normal guardian mob named gobb

i might be wrong but i also remember it doing a ton of dmg?

[edgy tinsel]

Can i report jesus parasite (he doesnt come down and softlocks you lol)

I would like gobb3

[spring breach]

how important does the bug have to be

[gaunt cairn]

cant fix that sadly

not my project

[edgy tinsel]

This is so sad gobb3 will be left in obscurity

[gaunt cairn]

I mean im half joking but like if it really is a serious bug and the name idea for a random mob u have is not something like fartfucker69 I could consider it cuz I need to make a ton of mobs, and I mostly make cave mobs, which don't have the most serious lore needed

also each cave could have 5 + mobs and I really dislike naming mobs "Blanking Blank"

"bombarding archers" "Fast snakes"

I prefer more oriognal names like Gobb or limboian

Gunge-gunge

[tall pivot]

tna mob names feel like an acid trip

[gaunt cairn]

thanks I named a bunch of them

actually like most of them

[edgy tinsel]

“Flaring bombus”

[tall pivot]

😈

[gaunt cairn]

that was a selv name

not mine

[ornate mural]

are all raid rooms same chance and can you confirm spawn rate of lost eye?

[gaunt cairn]

yes they are

[edgy tinsel]

Also lost eye definitely doesn’t drop disturbed dye

[gaunt cairn]

and i dont think i can

[edgy tinsel]

But idk if thats something you can fix either

[ornate mural]

think 1 of the ct checked and it did + theres a lot more disturbed eye on TM now which would also make that more likely

[gaunt cairn]

uhhh I can ask

[edgy tinsel]

Oh did it get fixed?

[gaunt cairn]

I thought it did?

[ornate mural]

makes sense for them to be quite rare bc its a tier 3 and no one runs lb in tna

[edgy tinsel]

Its possibly it got fixed and just wasnt mentioned in the bug fixes

Anyways that ing being 2-3stx was a bit silly xD

[clear prairie]

ah yea i remember seeing someone's death message being "gobbed" or smth

[edgy tinsel]

And I think greg can still chuck the soghtseeing interceptor onto the floor which isn’t really an issue but it probably isn’t intended

[tall pivot]

havent seen it dropped for months

[ornate mural]

i want them back to 2-3 😭

[obtuse crag]

Greg ballin?

Ok sorry that is a terrible joke

[edgy tinsel]

If he fumbles the ball we should be able to kill it and end watched

[gaunt cairn]

he will never be ballin

[steep finch]

can we have more npcs with insanely long names

[gaunt cairn]

dies from cringe

[tall pivot]

wait this is a fire reaction gif

[edgy tinsel]

You have unleashed something truly terrifying

[steep finch]

what greg does when i enter raid (unlike u) (i kill greg) (you dont)

[last brook]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1155296858692911145/1185131449888804865/89fygr.gif

[tall pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1355673801995849860/1355790959043940453/F.gif

[steep finch]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-noted-glorp-noted-glorp-noting-this-down-alien-cat-gif-11958671377507601335

[gaunt cairn]

greg doesn't actually die, he just gets fed up with ur shitty meta build and dies

[steep finch]

dies of awe(some)

[gaunt cairn]

bro ur sewiously gunna kill me in 3 seconds? get a life

dies

[tall pivot]

does he die if i use morph freedom then

[gaunt cairn]

yes

he repsects the grind

[steep finch]

wynn players being mad at the post saying people who do 50 raids a day aren't the core audience is still so funny to me

[tall pivot]

i have a new mission

[steep finch]

its such a real response

[last brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1313915054227460158/1314400197492605008/togif.gif

[steep finch]

its so true though lmao

[gaunt cairn]

term found it funny cuz some people saw that and took it to mean the other way around

like some people thought he was saying ONLY people who do 50+ raids a day are our audience

[steep finch]

need that player retention!

[gaunt cairn]

and that if u do less we don't care about your opinions

[last brook]

Not caring about your most active players is still a bit wack, though

[gaunt cairn]

his response iir was to people talking about raid rewards

and that we can't keep making rewards and new content for people who fly through the content

[last brook]

That’s fair, it could have been phrased way better, though.

[gaunt cairn]

it was if u saw the full convo lol

this was just clipped out

[steep finch]

I just want progression content

even if it gives no reward, i want to do increasingly hard content

[last brook]

^^^^^

[tall pivot]

incredibly real omg

[gaunt cairn]

also in regards to balance someone doing 50+ of a raid in day doesn't mean we should listen to them MORE. Graid TCC before the buff had people doing hundreds of runs a day

[steep finch]

raid with increasingly higher stats and even maybe give it a timer that gets shorter and shorter

[gaunt cairn]

but they did that cuz it was soo easy lol

[gaunt cairn]

I am coming around to this idea but it's not my call to add

[solemn arrow]

perhaps we can give it a name

maybe lootruns

running raids for loot

it makes sense!

[last brook]

Hades Heat levels please

[gaunt cairn]

at least with HP and damge stats cuz increasing mob speed or attack speed is a nightmare imo

[steep finch]

Look at mythic+ from world of warcraft if you want an example of how they do dungeons with rotating challenges

Definitely don't mess with attack speed

[tall pivot]

it was really funny to see people defending the weak ass version of tcc’s initial release saying it was difficult as is 💀

[gaunt cairn]

you could beat old graid tcc with your eyes closed

[steep finch]

I'm still so mad I suggested a +100% damage taken charm with no upside and the idea was accepted but no location was marked as acceptable for it

mad is the wrong word, im just upset lol

[edgy tinsel]

Couldn’t it litteraly just be a purchasable at the silverbull hq. Would at leats give it a purpose than the place you go to exactly twice in your playthrough and then forget about

[weary trellis]

literally tna raid, its the charm from the raid that throws you around portals and consumes your mind

[solemn arrow]

i think the kings recruit is the perfect location for this charm

it will also be marked as a quest item

idk what if like

hardcore and ultimate hardcore

[steep finch]

I will say I was being picky when I suggested it, I said that it would hopefully be obtainable early for anyone who wants to do a challenge but then the idea was like what if people don't read the description which honestly imo still is not my fault

[edgy tinsel]

1.20 shaman defense charm 🗣️

[solemn arrow]

where hardcore increased mob stats

and ult hardcore is perm death

(like what we currently have)

[steep finch]

would be cool assuming it doesn't change % based damage

[solemn arrow]

ooh that part needs dev time actually

maybe in 2035

[steep finch]

LOL

[weary trellis]

how would it work for towers

[solemn arrow]

you just die

[weary trellis]

thanks

[steep finch]

I mean in WoW they have 0 restriction on how high the mob scaling goes as long as you clear it within the time limit

[solemn arrow]

the tower doesnt deem you worthy to fight it since you need it to be harder clearly

[steep finch]

There are people who complete the raid (equivelant) with like +600% damage mobs and +400% health within 20m and its hell

[edgy tinsel]

me when g orphion 1 taps you because he takes all ur hp with a charge instead of half

[solemn arrow]

im all for adding something like it

however its like uh

[steep finch]

I am completely making these numbers up btw, its more like +260% and +180% hp

[solemn arrow]

i dont know how well that works with the current raiding system

for wynn

[weary trellis]

some people have asked for harder raids

[steep finch]

more feasable if you rip it from lr somewhat

[solemn arrow]

since mobs have their own health depending on level of the player (and aspects and stuff)

so would it be a collective party decision?
Are you just going to be dead weight in the party?

[edgy tinsel]

Wait aspects affect mob hp?

[solemn arrow]

uhh its like the uhh

-damage i mean

shit uh

erm

gambits

thats it

[edgy tinsel]

oh

[solemn arrow]

i think at least i dont know if they directly do it was an example

[weary trellis]

another player confuses gambits and aspects

wilted_rose emoji

[steep finch]

wows gambits are SUPER brutal and require communication (🤯 IMPOSSIBLE 🤯)

[solemn arrow]

like you can comp it eventually with your build sure but if we look at current party stuff people will tell you to /kill in boss if you arent killing it within a reasonable time frame

[edgy tinsel]

Yeha idt theres a gambit that just buffs mob hp but i wouldnt be surprised if thats whay bleeding warrior or smth did in the background

[steep finch]

ones like if you fail to dps this mob down every mob within (lets say 30 blocks) gets +170% damage and +80% damage reduction for 30 seconds

[solemn arrow]

but like you get what i mean for this right?

cause it kinda would have to be a premade party thing

[edgy tinsel]

Why is that an issue?

[solemn arrow]

since the latter isnt really realistic

im speculating

i dont know why you are considering it me thinking its an issue

[steep finch]

good. make high end content require group effort

[edgy tinsel]

If its a completely optional challenge having it accessible without a premade team seems kinda silly

[solemn arrow]

yeah ok then we are on the same page

cool

[edgy tinsel]

Yeah theres no reason for it to be pfinderable cuz if ur in a premade u can just have party leader do everything and communicate with them

And if you don’t like the settings or they’re being annoying u just leave the party

[zinc cave]

Unintentional ones had occured a few times since 2.1 release, seemingly reduced (likely progress on a server not saved) then the bank incident which was intentionally rolled back, ye idk much more or my memories eroded away

[hasty wharf]

this thread has gone so of topic

in conclusion yes wynn should obviously rewward ppl who find dupes aka gamebreaking exploits...

[zinc cave]

mhm

[final thistle]

we can tell LOL

[zinc cave]

Ur telling me theres a female version called gobblina or something

[clear prairie]

Plural of a single Gobb should be Gobblin or Gobblins

[wide hawk]

@solemn arrow where my reward

[solemn arrow]

your reward will be me wiping your inventories

[wide hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-switch-emoticon-laugh-to-stare-emoji-3d-emoji-gif-5062438276736770822

[carmine spruce]

a lot of games do this actually, for example i tend to play betas in genshin impact and reports are not rewarded but at least apreciated and in some cases is a real job, i like it bc of the whole experimentation process, but this would be in another server and wynncraft doesn't use that much a beta server

[carmine spruce]

also a lot of top players will hide their builds just to not be copied with strategies.

[solemn arrow]

also true

[carmine spruce]

yeah but you can nerf stuff if is too good and most players use it, gatekeeping allows the players to use their favorite builds and keep using it for longer time, othewise we would have more mortar or PZ situations.

[carmine spruce]

in my case is mostly bc of cosmetics, i hate how does the default skin look, if whole armor cosmetic existed i would reveal whole armor

but yeah, i agree, there is not a lot of incenting at reporting anything at all (incluying exploits) i do report most things i find but when im with friends and i tell them "wait, let me report this bug" they say something like "there is no point"

[weary trellis]

game breaking bugs get 1 week of silverbull subscription

[lethal moat]

really?

[carmine spruce]

ohhh i like this

or untradeable silverbull

[obtuse crag]

considerng the fact they nerfed ignis

seems about right

[lethal moat]

first im hearing about it

[carmine spruce]

i believe that the reasoning was because it had to many IDs but seems too dumb to believe it

[lethal moat]

erm too dumb not to dumb smh

[obtuse crag]

yeah. the nerf was fire dmg bonus id removed

[carmine spruce]

srry, english is not my first language

[lethal moat]

nono not ignis

them not nerfing things because "some guy got really high dps and so clearly its op" (cata moment)

[rugged raptor]

cata have no gimmicks remember

[lethal moat]

[solemn arrow]

i mean when it comes down to it, most reports are more of an issue of quality

[edgy tinsel]

Me when
Idol Mythic Spear
2ndSpellCost -50 -> -30

[solemn arrow]

you have no idea how many reports i have seen that are like
"X doesnt work"

And then steps to reproduce is
"I dont know how to reproduce"

😭

crazily enough we cannot do much without steps to reproduce things

[obtuse crag]

Lu told me about it. Must be absolutely annoying

Assuming you mean #contact_staff

[solemn arrow]

i dont mean contact staff

im talking about the bug reports on the forums

[weary trellis]

most people that find bugs didnt/couldnt either remember or explain how to reproduce bugs

[steep finch]

What does suck is when people have a very clear insane bug and write a super good report then steps to reproduce are just either impossible to follow or doesnt work

[obtuse crag]

Ohhh

[rugged raptor]

u haven't seen the guthub issues 😭

[obtuse crag]

Oops mb

[solemn arrow]

😭

[carmine spruce]

this, or they don't pay attention to the whole problem

[solemn arrow]

ive seen plenty...

[steep finch]

I loved the github

[solemn arrow]

god i hate it when this happens 😭

[carmine spruce]

like in raids i don't care if a bug happen as long as it doesn't fk my raid im good

[steep finch]

Then you find reports like this #1348459951055573043 message

And it’s just so funny

[solemn arrow]

that one was fucking hilarious

[carmine spruce]

but like visual bugs or like exploits that my party does is not considered a big issue for me because i don't pay attention to them (is bad yes, but im way too focused on having fun)

[obtuse crag]

At least the finally fixed immolation altruism shenanigans

[steep finch]

Was it even fixed lmao they just stopped responding

[copper carbon]

you guys should see the bug reports we have to deal with. i actually do like to go and fix bugs that i can when theyre reported but the reproduction steps are always just "idk" or "make it happen" (yes, really)

[steep finch]

They’ve “fixed” negative healing like 6 times now 😭

[steep finch]

Or they’re like omg I found a dupe, I have steps to recreate, and it’s just fucking boats

[solemn arrow]

it happens way too often 😭

[rugged raptor]

do we have this in wynncraft bug report
https://github.com/samdark/opensource-hate/blob/master/img%2Fyii%2F001.png

[copper carbon]

like. thank you for these valuable repro steps

[carmine spruce]

in my case i have situations with bugs that i don't know anything about and i don't report if i don't even know like the cause or the moment where it happened

[rugged raptor]

epic embed failure

[topaz copper]

remove immolation -100% heal eff%, problem solved :>>>

[solemn arrow]

yeah we get that too 😭

[solemn arrow]

this one actually does make sense for that report though

[copper carbon]

lol

[obtuse crag]

No that would be too overpowered

I absolutely disagree

[steep finch]

Don’t forget this classic

"I shit in your existence. A week ago my weapon disappeared in the middle of the tutorial. I was a level 44 and I had to do the tutorial and I lost the weapon. And now I just lost another crossbow. My two best weapons lost and nothing has been answered yet or returned, Or help me or I will report you."

✍️ 🔥

[rugged raptor]

at least the bug which make tremcaller-bloodborn sometime unusable is fixed in an unknown patch

[steep finch]

By the way this was put on Salteds profile by the random person

[solemn arrow]

i saw that one yeah 😭

[carmine spruce]

i mean i do get the rage, i lost one 95% oa lament and got out of the game for like a month (i don't do LR-raids so often so imagine how much time it did cost)

[obtuse crag]

OWCH

[solemn arrow]

salted profile posts go crazy

[obtuse crag]

Poor Amelia...

[carmine spruce]

and no refund politics is kinda crap

[steep finch]

I have a video of someone’s perfect disco getting deleted due to inventory desync

[carmine spruce]

like thats the reason why ppl are not even using build npc from housing

[steep finch]

To which zeer says he fixed and people haven’t shown it bugging since then

[carmine spruce]

even if the bug was only affecting assasins and was aparently fixed

[solemn arrow]

it broke specifically from a mirror image interaction that was totally unrelated to build stands in the first place

And has since been fixed

[copper carbon]

wynntils auto blacksmith sell 🔥

[solemn arrow]

🗣️ 🔥

[obtuse crag]

[carmine spruce]

yeah, but what if that bug happens again? like would you return a hana to a player? even with video prof?

[copper carbon]

no

[carmine spruce]

yeah, thats the issue

[solemn arrow]

i told someone this and they were like "no it wasnt my friends item got deleted a while back"

and then proceeded to provide no information on when it happened, who it was, etc.

[copper carbon]

it would take me about 3 seconds to fake video proof of losing an item

[solemn arrow]

while i was asking them for it

sobs

[carmine spruce]

what if it was something real?

[solemn arrow]

you have to keep in mind the issue of it being abused

[steep finch]

hey guys check out this totally harmless video i got sent while i was a mod

[solemn arrow]

its not as simple as "what if it was something real"

😭

[carmine spruce]

not, but like im saying that no returning policy is incredibly simple that makes players angry when bugs happen

[obtuse crag]

Yikes

[solemn arrow]

i hate to say it but returning items is not as simple as you think it is

[steep finch]

Got sent this video and asking for a refund

I was like
Damn that sucks, no

[copper carbon]

how would you know what is real

[carmine spruce]

if is a famous streamer and happens on stream would you return it?

[copper carbon]

i don't see how that proves the legitimacy of anything

[carmine spruce]

like, on stream

[steep finch]

No exceptions, you cant have any exceptions

[copper carbon]

i still don't see how that proves the legitimacy of anything

[steep finch]

If there are any exceptions then everyone deserves evaluation

[copper carbon]

its not hard to restream a [pre-]recorded video

[carmine spruce]

thats the point, playerbase try to stay away from bugs and exploit reporting bc of the same reason

[steep finch]

???

[carmine spruce]

when i lost my lament, i didn't even make a report, i was too worried about my weapon that i didn't even care about other stuff

[solemn arrow]

hello moderators i seem to have lost my item to a item wipe bug, please return it

[steep finch]

This looks real I’ll be in contact with you once I get an admin on ✅

[solemn arrow]

my king 🙏

[carmine spruce]

and the fact that users mock about player reports doesn't help a lot tbf

[tidal pumice]

u should see my tcrack video

I lost it to a random server crash while in identifier and it’s all on tape it’s pretty funny

[solemn arrow]

tragic

[steep finch]

Was it you or someone else who id’d 8 mythics and it crashed

[carmine spruce]

but yeah, when exploits or bugs happen i just ignore them

[tidal pumice]

wasn’t me that’d just stupid 😭😭

[steep finch]

I remember my only response was they were weird for even trying that

[carmine spruce]

unless i notice everything behind it

[tidal pumice]

damn feels bad…I would never have more than one in something cause I also lost warp to a crash while in powder merchant

in 2017!

[solemn arrow]

if you are just going to ignore bugs and not report them then dont complain about them not being fixed

idk what else to tell you

[carmine spruce]

read again

[weary trellis]

force everyone to have replay mod and now you can have a whole world recording for every bug ever

[solemn arrow]

so real

[obtuse crag]

Some exploits do make me worry if they are ever gonna get patched... Even after reporting them

Since they aren't listed in changelogs for obvious reasons

[solemn arrow]

i have replaymod running 100% of the time when i play factions 😭

[carmine spruce]

like NoTG slime duping on tower room?

or rune dupe?

i haven't encountered them but like rune duping seems so bad for economy

[solemn arrow]

I love hearing users talk about dupes that i have never once seen in bug reports 😁

[steep finch]

My favorite kind of bugs were the ones that were just weird that they existed anyway like here’s one

There used to be a way to do 100-2000x damage to mobs on archer only, this was caught on video a few times in lutho but why it happened was unknown

A month later testing revealed it was if multiple armorstand mobs stood on the same block it just did insane damage

Why? Idk lol

[solemn arrow]

entity cramming clearly

[carmine spruce]

NoTG slime duping apparently is about duping the slime cube with the boss, aparently if 2 players are there and they do something, the boss drops slime to both players

[obtuse crag]

Don't think I am allowed to share them since I am completely unsure if it is fixed. And I cba to test it

[carmine spruce]

and rune duping is mostly a rumour

don't know if is real

[steep finch]

W moderator behavior

[carmine spruce]

but like i avoid well known buggy areas like boss altars, i rarelly do them bc they are weird, like golden avia altar being too bad designed

[solemn arrow]

golden avia isnt a boss altar

[obtuse crag]

Uth altars...

Sometimes fuckin consume like 2 feathers cuz yes

[solemn arrow]

to be fair golden avias are still on redstone and cmds

[steep finch]

Redstone…….

[carmine spruce]

it consumed 6 of my golden avia and my friend had to use their

and arena is kinda poorly designed

[solemn arrow]

the altar was just a bit hungry 😋

[steep finch]

Yummy!

[obtuse crag]

Don't get me started with the one in aldorei

Do you love to get your eardrums destroyed by consistent shotgun mobs flying too high up that you can't kill?

[solemn arrow]

raids were added in 1.20 right?

[obtuse crag]

Idk I started in rekindled...

[solemn arrow]

yeah they were

[carmine spruce]

yes

[solemn arrow]

to be fair the altars are like 4 years old now and i think its something we are aware of being in a bad place

(Correction, it is something we are aware of being in a bad place i just couldnt find a ct message to link to to "confirm" it)

[carmine spruce]

i like some boss altars concepts (the best thing about them is teleporting the player to a new area in most cases)

[solemn arrow]

Well boss altars have been around much longer

[carmine spruce]

but like, they aren't fun for new players and they are more repetitive than other things

[solemn arrow]

Those are different from the uth altars

[carmine spruce]

like even forgery is funnier

but has horrible loot

[solemn arrow]

Ah you were talking about boss altars nvm. Assumed you meant uth since that's what you referred to them as earlier

[carmine spruce]

don't they work the same?

seems like it, i always assumed that uth altars where just boss altars

and they have almost the same issues

[solemn arrow]

They are different pieces of content. Boss altars are a clearly defined section of content with their own lore and item drops and stuff. (Also explicitly listed in the content book)

Uth altars are specifically for uth runes and nothing more

They work in a similar way you are right, but they aren't quite the same

They have separate issues

[carmine spruce]

but yeah, im hoping for a revamp of that system

like forgery or old quests

[solemn arrow]

Surely forgery rework eventually

Fruma more important however

[carmine spruce]

i had a concept art about forgery being part frumanian trying to contain corruption in a floating island and placed something similar on my guild housing

i love the whole forgery construction, love floating island chained to the ground

is one of my favorite places

[rancid tiger]

I keep finding gamebreaking bugs every now and then (like just today found one), but I'm oftentimes too lazy to open forums, because it feels like I'm not getting rewarded for going through the painful process of opening forum, painfully navigating to bug reports, finding the right options, writing the bug report, and send...

by reward, I don't mean "physical" reward, but I want

1. maybe feedback that its been read, but this is not a necessity
2. maybe feedback that its been solved in reply to the ticket, but its not a necessity
3. the bug getting actually fixed within half a year... this is a necessity

.
it just doesn't feel like it is worth opening forums and going through this painful process just for the bug to not even get fixed, like ever (or only after a whole year)

I'd legit rather do 10 hours of lootruns in one sitting than open forums and create a single bug report.

[solemn arrow]

the bug getting actually fixed within half a year... this is a necessity
not always doable. get real

look at the build stand bug for example

zeer tried to fix that like 6+ times over the course of like a year and a half (or something iirc)

stuff isnt always as simple as you want to believe it is hate to tell you

[rancid tiger]

sorry, you are right, its not easy to fix bugs..

that said, my feedback still stands, because I wrote this feedback to convey how I feel about the bug report process as a player, and why that is.. I tried to word it in a way whereas it conveys how I would feel about it it I had less knowledge about the behind the scenes workings of the bug fixes, and admin/mod/ct work etc.

of course there is no good solution here, because

1. if you make the bug report process a LOT simpler (meaning it takes less steps to do and doesn't require a forum account), yall will get a lot of false bug reports and new players reporting normal things thinking that they are bugs, all of which is bad
2. if the current bug report process stays, but we get feedbacks in the tickets, that one, creates a ton of extra workload that doesn't really have any benefits towards solving game problems, and two, if we get a feedback after half a year that says "sorry, we tried but we cannot fix this bug so far", that is both not a good look, and discourages players, and also implies to the player that the bug is there to stay

also, my feedback was mainly about actual game-breaking bugs, that are either real bad or can be exploited in some ways

[solemn arrow]

🤷

i just hope one day you learn that stuff takes time and isnt necessarily a simple thing to do

ive had to tell you this on many occasions now

[rancid tiger]

but again, I know that by now... I just wanted to add my 2 cents to convey how I feel about the process... I don't have any solutions to this, because as you said, things take time, especially with such a complex game as wynncraft is

"the bug getting actually fixed within half a year... this is a necessity" I should have added that this was mainly for gamebreaking bugs, that are actually important to fix (half a year for those gamebreaking bugs is a generous amount no? like if they are actually gamebreaking... also, I know that like half the time they do get fixed within half a year by this point, which is good)

[solemn arrow]

saying you know by now but making comments that directly go against it shows that you do not in fact know by now

[rancid tiger]

okay, fine... then I also add that I understand that finding out what causes a bug sometimes takes literal years, and that is fine... you cannot do much about that

[clear prairie]

man what's with the hostility here

[lethal moat]

theres always hostility wdym

[carmine spruce]

would be cool to also take into consideration previous bug reports, just like player bans and reports, bug reports should be followed, who knows, maybe one player that has 10 bug reports with a good set of instructions on each one should have that, maybe a tag called "bug tracker" or something ingame, a cosmetic or some cheap stuff that makes for both parts healthier, like if X player has those report, you would have a priotrity on those reports instead of a player that just sets reports like this ones

[rancid tiger]

I mean your comment has logic to it

I cannot say that I disagree with your logic per say...

although not being able to read all reports is probably not their problem

but more so not being able to replicate and solve them

[solemn arrow]

this report is correct however

the report was saying that the current bug report tab does not list 1.21+ as an option

its a correct report just a bad example

it doesnt have 1.21.1,2,3,4,5

and also it still has the old versions listed

[last brook]

my favorite part of the bug report screen:
(comments in HTML are formatted as <!-- COMMENT -->, but someone put the ! in the wrong place when trying to comment out this field)
-# Also, why aren't the devs using an IDE which would have CTRL+"/" to do this automatically without typos, and/or syntax highlighting to show they formatted it wrong?
-# Even Notepad++ has syntax highlighting that would have caught this

You know it's bad when even Firefox syntax analysis knows something's wrong.

[solemn arrow]

lol

[lethal moat]

you also im pretty sure still cant insert images directly to bug reports

yep

[carmine spruce]

a lot of this issues are related to the format/forums issues, forums are not in a good state for bug report

[severe stag]

Which is crazy

[solemn arrow]

I think this one is a forums limitation

Like physically cannot be done with the platform

Worth noting you can't do it with discord equivalent either

[carmine spruce]

other games have forums like constructive feedback and open topics on bugs to solve this issue, that way you can insert images (marvel rivals), and even some feedback channels that allows you to tag bots or something to add images, also since they are open to players, most players recieve updates on those bugs

[solemn arrow]

the discord equivalent of what we have on the forums is what i am referring to

not whatever you are talking about

the one they have through their bot api

you cannot insert images into there either

[solemn arrow]

and also this idea does not work in the slightest for our exploitable bug system

crazy thought i know but we dont want exploitable bugs made public

[rancid tiger]

this is actually a valid argument

like a non-negotiable