Labyrinth

[sleek cobalt]

You're trying to tell me that this is balanced and does not need a nerf? https://youtu.be/XGkwHyv4W80 https://youtu.be/kSd6wjpVg_k
bro's literally not wearing armor OR accessories and dealing 100-200k damage when his traps are actually hitting, and yet it hasn't been addressed in any of the latest patches

[pastel gulch]

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[acoustic patrol]

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[viral compass]

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[rapid tulip]

still not as broken as fallen

[warm musk]

Its not even the best outta all the busted shit

[sleek cobalt]

You can afk and deal 700k dps

[soft vale]

Please make literally every other archer archetype usable before nerfing labyrinth

[warm musk]

True!

[lavish vapor]

we’re getting constructive feedback for singular items now

to any item post like this I’ll just say we consistently review items over time

[abstract gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/devteam-gif-7820031603056109943

[soft vale]

Yes laby needs a nerf, but nerfing it without changing anything else will just make archer weaker than it already is, casual players already aren't doing so well with ss and bolt being so untenable, endgame players won't do competitive dps

[arctic snow]

listen whsiper have you tried trolling laby users

[abstract gorge]

collect my debuff scrolls...

[acoustic patrol]

this is unironically why laby is weak/balanced lmao, if you play around it it does about as much damage as pbomb, if u dont its like less useful than morph freedom 😄

[blazing lark]

this video reminds me of that feedback thread on underworld crypt boss fight

[acoustic patrol]

also i love cherrypicking a weapon performing well in its literal best usecases surely this thread is not disingenuous at all

[sleek cobalt]

“Best use case” being: arrow bomb -> afk

[arctic snow]

like if dont like laby users just dont play around their traps shrimple as that

not like you are obliged to play along

[safe rover]

yeah im telling you that

[arctic snow]

i take a small carthartic pleasure when laby users beg teammates to stay in traps

[sleek cobalt]

Having to axtively run the opposite direction from any laby player if you even get the mob aggro for the sole purpose of it dealing not op damage is not “balanced”

[rapid tulip]

its not even meta for a single raid. Fallen has better burst, while arca /w winded support is better for a sustained fight. Let archers have 1 (one) playable build until the rest of the class is fixed.

[sleek cobalt]

Its not about it itself being op its about it being op while not having to do anything for it to be op

[acoustic patrol]

i have a laby and it sees like basically 0 use for this exact reason lmfao, most are too dumb to play around traps, those who know will often not because its insanely funny and tbh cant blame them i do it when i see laby users too LMAO

[sleek cobalt]

Literally if it decreased the trap duration that would be fine

[acoustic patrol]

then like in graid its lowk very weak so no point

[sleek cobalt]

Laby is legit just cast a single spell and deal as much if not more than almost any class spamming spells

[acoustic patrol]

youve said this many times lol

theres alot more that goes into wweapon balance than apm

[sleek cobalt]

I wouldnt care if you had to like atleast cast arrow bomb more bc of something like this

It would still deal good dmg and it wouldnt just be afk to win

[peak tendon]

keep in mind laby does need a few seconds of setup time to build up to 8 focus, that in most fights the boss doesnt even live through

[arctic snow]

😁

[peak tendon]

tcc and notg are the only raids that laby is really good in and tcc and even in those raids there are better options

[rapid tulip]

Nerfing a weapon because it's easy to play is honestly an ass take. It's healthy to have easier and harder builds to play with. Look at literally any other game

[vocal kettle]

get a pocket glue user 👍

[acoustic patrol]

AHJAHAHAHAHA

[peak tendon]

also im gonna be completely honest no armor no accs no tomes is possible on bloodbath

[sleek cobalt]

Did u even see what i posted as a possible solution

[peak tendon]

its actually easier cuz u just stay airborne the whole time and heal with passive hpr

[sleek cobalt]

It would still be very good, and easy to play

[acoustic patrol]

me when i show my high area damage weapon performing well in situations where i can keep the enmy in question in the area for free

[peak tendon]

real

yeah you can litteraly do every raid (except nol) pretty easily with 5hp bbath just cycling charge bash charge scream

you wont run out of mana because of natural hpr and the boss cant hit you because you're always in midair and way too mobile

[sleek cobalt]

No way u have to put in effort to play the game

[arctic snow]

you could spam macros and the "effort" point would be gone

And everything just dies

[sleek cobalt]

Fun fact macros for multiple spells are not allowed

[acoustic patrol]

yeah cause pressing two buttons instead of one is much harder 😭

[arctic snow]

It's not even multi spell its just spamming charge macro into bash macro into charge macro into scream macro it's playing 3 buttons

[sleek cobalt]

You have to actually aim for spells and make sure youre within a certain range for some instead of just casting a single spell in its general direction and eating chips for 12 seconds

[peak tendon]

with a g502 i could litteraly do this 1 handed and jack off with the other one im not sure i see ur point

[arctic snow]

Like WASD doesn't matter at all, just bind it to a spell because charge bashscream does the movement for you

Or better yet, get a mouse with buttons on it

[acoustic patrol]

post vid including webcam or cap

[peak tendon]

and fun fact with laby if you suck at aggroing greg into your traps losing frenzy, run out of sprint, or drop windy you get clapped instantly

[steady copper]

I have two spells bound to mouse it's awesome

[sleek cobalt]

Yea just spend irl money to do it no big deal

[steady copper]

Can't imagine without it

[inner merlin]

"drop windy"

[steady copper]

Model O on top

[peak tendon]

lmb charge, middle mouse scream, rmb bash

[inner merlin]

guys you have to press LLL once every 2 minutes!!!

[crisp zephyr]

Tf is this

[acoustic patrol]

yeah laby experience is mostly just put down traps, fuck boss is on the other side of the arena time to restack patient and focus 😄👍

[inner merlin]

it is a hard weapon to use!!!

[sleek cobalt]

This is exactly what i mean, like you arent even thinking of casting escape

The brainrot has gotten to you

[crisp zephyr]

I’m enjoying wynncraft to the maximum by not logging on, I don’t even need a singular finger or button

[sleek cobalt]

Nerf it honestly, bro is winning without logging on

[peak tendon]

this is actually an issue when the boss fight is 15 minutes long and casting escape makes u super vulnerable

[pliant vale]

i think all i can say to this is just. we know chat

[sleek cobalt]

If casting escape makes u vulnerable ur not casting it right

[inner merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-meme-funny-emoji-gif-15406750

[acoustic patrol]

i am very worried if we think laby is op icl

like this weapon dealing sub 400k when its stacked w/ focus and patient would unironcially suck so muc hass

[arctic snow]

laby ain't op just that I hate it with a passion

[sleek cobalt]

Where are the people without laby defending it 🙏

[sleek cobalt]

Dude like i said the damage doesnt need to get nerfed, just make it slightly less braindead to play

[peak tendon]

dog i own one of the best labys on the server and i can confidently say it only comes out for anni

other than that it rots in a bank

[broken ferry]

i dont think its op and i dont own one

[sleek cobalt]

Gg

[acoustic patrol]

your nerfs youve proposed dont understand like fundemental game design principles and would basically kill the weapon, im assuming IT at least understands nerfing the trap duration would kill it so im talking about reasonable nerfs not whatever ur saying lol

[sleek cobalt]

Awman i have to cast arrow bomb more gg goodbye weapon

[peak tendon]

tbh all theyd have to do is just make it not stack with focus

its kinda silly that it does since you're "missing" a ton of twisting thread hits anyways all the time

[acoustic patrol]

i really dont weanna have to spell it out for u can u at least try to imagien why trap duration nerfs would kill it?

[crisp zephyr]

I think the main point is “laby needs a nerf” not “u should change laby in this exact way or I will bomb ur house”

[acoustic patrol]

read the context of the chat lol

[sleek cobalt]

If it isnt that exact nerf i will definitely totally bomb his house tyvm

[pliant vale]

ok look imo laby is overtuned but its not like its the craziest shit in the game

[sleek cobalt]

Ik it doesnt need an insane nerf

Just a slight toning down

[steady copper]

The only good anni weapon

[acoustic patrol]

id be down for a damage nerf if it got a buff in its ability to deal consistant damage in a bigger area similar to the rework EC got, if not it needs to be hitting these numbers or its effectively worse than morph alot of the time unironically xd

[pliant vale]

morph what though

because if ur talkin like morph fallen yeah ofc lol

[acoustic patrol]

morph shade morph fallen, morph bolt, anything hitting 100k dps or more lol

like laby REALLY gets screwed by mobility and phase transitions

[sleek cobalt]

More aoe/qol for less damage is fine

Just the current balance of dmg is not it

[pliant vale]

i think we're at the point where adding more aoe just completely removes the threads feel

[sleek cobalt]

Didnt they have more aoe before

[acoustic patrol]

see now were getting somewhere, the reason i think laby needs to be hitting 500k+ is that it reasonably cannot be dealing damage constantly so in the seconds it is waiting your agency is essentially 0 so it averages quite low in the course of a fight still

[sleek cobalt]

With the same dmg

[pliant vale]

yea

but like lets be real was there really a big difference between the two

[sleek cobalt]

It probably helped with dealing more dmg more consistently

[pseudo sail]

Nerf laby or buff all the other anni mythics

[pallid raft]

me

[peak tendon]

ive noticed like encroaching tunneler miss sometimes since patch

[pliant vale]

just for the record, i would support making laby dps more consistent

[rapid tulip]

lowkey just leave laby as it is. It's the only decent anni mythic atm. Focus on broken suff like fallen, winded and all the underpowered arche like bolt etc.

[peak tendon]

but thats prolly more cuz encroaching tunneler is sukapon 50% of the time

[sleek cobalt]

Laby being like 40+ stx while all the other anni mythics arent even close should be kinda a tell (not saying that price = good)

[sleek cobalt]

Bbath, trance are both fine

[trim gazelle]

honestly, the other annie mythics should really get a better treatment

[pseudo sail]

"Fallen is broken" bro, you sacrifice ehp for tons of damage

[split prawn]

reso is also fine, if it wasn't affected by aco bug #432

[pseudo sail]

You can literally be afk with laby and still deal insane damage

[sleek cobalt]

You only really deal dmg once your ehp is like 4k

[split prawn]

if you play fallen at max hp youre doing something wrong

[acoustic patrol]

i think its fine as it is right now but if for balance reasons its damage is fundementally too high allowing it to place traps with more control would allow better coverage without killing the thread feel, you could create tripwires and killzones much more elaborately than the basically 0 control you have right now, it would also help the gameplay fantasy a lot tbh

[sleek cobalt]

I agree a lot with this

[pliant vale]

i wouldnt mind some extra control with trap placement but realistically that's probably not on us

that'd probably be an ability tree thing in general

[rapid tulip]

fallen hero over 40k ehp base, best resistances, godtier mobility, party buff, armor shred, offhand healing AND top dps. even if you sit at low hp you still outperform everything else

[pliant vale]

unless we want to limit precise trap placement only to laby for some reason

[viral compass]

traps should follow the player like summons 😇 the tangles can be leashes

[peak tendon]

please dont have an ability tree node say "you can place traps where you want to"

[split prawn]

make laby disable bouncy, reduce arrow bomb damage and give it 60% arrow bomb cost so you can control your traps

[sleek cobalt]

Dont mind me just taking my traps for a walk

[acoustic patrol]

i mean idk trapper as a base class gets away with it much more than laby tbh, if it were just the mid itd be fine

[pliant vale]

idk i just cant really think of a way to allow precise trap placement with bouncing/grape

[rapid tulip]

idk, I'd prefer it to go the other way. Cover more room but lower the dps, more uptime that way

[peak tendon]

tbh i think thats more because bolt just got gutted and spellsharp is spellsharp

[acoustic patrol]

nah like div trapper is unironically meta as fuck lmao

[sleek cobalt]

Like if the threads did less damage but put a lingering DOT effect that might work

[peak tendon]

i mean fair but div {archetype} should always be archer dps meta

[acoustic patrol]

i think in meta parties div trap unironically mogs peak bolt div

[pliant vale]

well yea

[arctic snow]

Imma leash you

[peak tendon]

bolt div practical dps also got gutted after bouncy tho so

[sleek cobalt]

If we were playing split the room right now i’d be winning easily

[pseudo sail]

Laby encourages lazyass gameplay. Drop bombs, and be afk while a guardian (another lazy playstyle) does the rest

[pliant vale]

and thats fine

[acoustic patrol]

no i mean peak bolt as in whjen it did 800k+

[pliant vale]

its not like every playstyle has to be macro spamming spell cycle action

[sleek cobalt]

If it encourages lazy gameplay it shouldnt deal as much damage

[peak tendon]

you say encourages lazy ass gameplay, i say 2 players willingly choose to not engage with the game

[pliant vale]

yea i agree

[pseudo sail]

^

[sleek cobalt]

A slight decrease in damage is fine, it doesnt need to completely kill the weapon

[arctic snow]

Wake the fuck up Wynn Player, we got some spell cycle to macro.

Macro up or be killed

[viral compass]

[pliant vale]

its macro or be macroed

[pseudo sail]

If that's intended then whats the point of playing "complex" playstyles?

[pliant vale]

in an ideal world they would be more rewarding

[peak tendon]

because players want to play them?

[primal flicker]

for fun ☺️

[sleek cobalt]

Which is why i made the post 🔥

[pliant vale]

yeap

[acoustic patrol]

for fun, skill expression cannot be the only thing that determines what makes stuff strong lol

[soft vale]

why are there so many ct's here

[pliant vale]

dawg its jus me

[soft vale]

theres a lot of u

[acoustic patrol]

carlos ❤️

[pliant vale]

MY NAME IS NOT CARLOS

[arctic snow]

He's duping, ban him.

[primal flicker]

i must have missed something who is carlos 😭

[pliant vale]

dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask dont ask

[arctic snow]

who is carlos

[primal flicker]

oh

[sleek cobalt]

I am ct, Crook Tim

[peak tendon]

i think his name might be carlos

[pseudo sail]

And where is the fun if you can't contribute to the raids n other stuff even if you play good because someone else in the team does 80% dmg doing absolutely nothing?

[glad violet]

It's called coping really hard

[sleek cobalt]

I will turn u into battery acid

[pliant vale]

we r arguing different things man

[arctic snow]

Be glad you aren't a bmonka

[pliant vale]

like yea balance kind of blows in terms of that metric right now

[peak tendon]

fun fact: did you know you can choose who you play with?

[sleek cobalt]

Laby doesnt have to be shit because its easy to play

[acoustic patrol]

this is a complete red herring, damage overall is way too high rn but laby is one of the least egregious examples easily as u can just not play around the traps 😭 its one of the ONLY weapons with oppressive damage that you get a say in whether it shreds the boss or not lmfao

this is about labys relative power to the rest of the weapon roster not its interactions with bosse

[primal flicker]

i think u have a lot bigger issues if a laby is doing 80% of ur teams damage

[pseudo sail]

I'm not saying the weapon should be shit

[acoustic patrol]

^^^^^^

[pseudo sail]

Just not THAT good

[rapid tulip]

are you named after the in game item or the other way around

[acoustic patrol]

nobody is saying you want it to be useless

[pliant vale]

the former

[arctic snow]

it's time to dgas up

[pliant vale]

it was years ago idk why i did it dont ask me

[glad violet]

Idk imo balance of game should always be centered around effort put in and pay off. Alot of laby kinda boils down to build it as heavy spell and afk which is very big problem in the sense of low effort high dmg

[regal mantle]

its also on a 4 focus build which is less dps

[primal flicker]

u should be named after carlos instead

[glad violet]

Take a shot every an Anni mythic gets reworked

[sleek cobalt]

Probably taking more survivability

[frail aspen]

carlos new mythic 🔥

[regal mantle]

ye hes getting frenzy at least in the tna clip

[arctic snow]

Love yourself every time divzer gets an indirect buff since 2.1

[glad violet]

Someone get the suicide hotline

[sleek cobalt]

Yea makes sense cuz if he gets looked at funny he explodes without armor/accs xd

[arctic snow]

Too late I'm already there with bmonk

[regal mantle]

steal all sharpshooter damage nodes tech 🤫
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder?v=16#9_2SG2SH2SI2SJ2SK2SL2SM2SN0yW1600001f001g000000z0z0+0+0+0+0-1Tj7MB7ZYupE

[sleek cobalt]

Honestly bmonk is op we should nerf it

[peak tendon]

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/builder/?v=16#9_2SG2SH2SI2SJ2SK2SL2SM2SN0yW1600001f001g000000z0z0+0+0+0+0-1TjlNrOK4VeS

this is the tree for the run i think

[warm musk]

Its op relative to the game

Relative to the meta nah

[acoustic patrol]

warp riftwalker is op relative to the game :I

[sleek cobalt]

Riftwalker my beloved

[warm musk]

Well yeah a lot of things are op relative to the game

[regal mantle]

the rampup is p slow on laby

[arctic snow]

I was lied on discombob change and now I'm huffing 10 tons of copium daily, living on the side of the street with my 1000 remnant of ruin crafteds waiting for a proper bmonk rework because discombobulate just ain't it man

[warm musk]

Your average joe smoe build gets like 300k dps

[regal mantle]

and its like playing shaman but you cant move your totem 🔥

[split prawn]

the difference between warp riftwalker and labyrynth is that one needs you to click while the other could be played with your nose

[regal mantle]

(currently acolyte)

[sleek cobalt]

Yea but shaman dmg isnt as high

Unless you just spam every spell under the sun

[arctic snow]

quick we need to promote more hero dune Storm revenant builds go gogo

[regal mantle]

im just saying its clunky as fuck

[peak tendon]

the 10 speed archetype when the movement spell forces you to stay within 10 blocks of a rock

[warm musk]

Morph bobs mythic wand is op

[regal mantle]

you will stand in the circle and you will like it

[acoustic patrol]

i think the three most important factors for game balance for characters/weapons/playstytles in any rpg/moba/whatever are agency impact and skill

divzer has agency, in its ability to chase down the boss and control it with aggro, impact in its damage per second (although not really rn) and skill in its immense squishiness

laby has no agency as it relies on others to kite for it and play around it, impact in the damage it has, and no skill in that it is low apm low thought needed and tanky

balance can manifest itself in more ways than just impact, in labys case its lack of skill can be a major detriment as you have much less control over a fight and in a party with competant or incompetant players you will either be too slow or too team reliant respectively to have impact

[ebon bone]

they actually fixed that after like only an hour

[regal mantle]

my fault

[ebon bone]

I was quite surprised with their speedyness ngl

[regal mantle]

u also need like 7 seconds of continuous dps to get 8 focus lmao

[acoustic patrol]

league does this very well w/ its champion roster, lower skill characters are considered balance when they can do less things less flexibly but take less effort to do them, an high skill characters are considered balanced when they can do more things in a more convoluted way but harder, the main theme though is that both easy and hard characters have similar impact on the outcome of a game ultimately just through different ways

[sleek cobalt]

Theyre usually only that fast with broken dps bugs

[warm musk]

True but you also gotta consider that all content isnt revolved around team content

[regal mantle]

u start doing good dmg when ur at 8 focus, before that its just kinda ok

[acoustic patrol]

yeah like unless youre in a 4stack or playing by yourself you will rarely even get good damage tbh

[peak tendon]

in fairness spamming sorrow on sunstar/hadal with no cd is a broken dps bug

[regal mantle]

notg walling one of the best scenarios ig

[sleek cobalt]

Which is probably why it was fixed so fast!

[warm musk]

But tbh laby should be like the least of their concerns

[acoustic patrol]

i mean the only competitively relevanty content is team content and the only content where relative power creates negative experiences for others is team content idk why a weapons balance in somethign like LI or world events really matters all that much in the scope of the game, not to mention laby is not really an outlier for either of those either

[arctic snow]

Discombobulate moment

[warm musk]

A majority of the content is solo tho

Its just raids they cant balance the game around raids and anni ig

[ebon bone]

doesnt that do like 2 dps because recasting blood sorrow cancels the previous one

[acoustic patrol]

i mean again laby really isnt overperforming in LI or WES either lol

and it is not touched in wars

[regal mantle]

idk i think it is ngl

[peak tendon]

nah it was more cuz u didnt have to heal between sorrows

[warm musk]

Well yeah i wasnt talking about laby im just talking about

[worthy totem]

Wait till u realize how situational that is whilst being backloaded

[warm musk]

Balancing around raids in general

[regal mantle]

have you seen laby vs qira its a literal joke

[peak tendon]

even if you're balancing around raids you litteraly need to knock the legs off of the boss in order for laby to do even competitive dps

[ebon bone]

raids is the endgame content people seem to engage with most so balancing around those makes sense?

[worthy totem]

Fallen is broken bc u can just instantly dump and doesn’t take u 10s of focus / optimal enemy location

[split prawn]

qira is a joke when you introduce mythics sure

[warm musk]

Or balancing while majorly considering raids

[regal mantle]

yea but laby makes it 10x worse

[acoustic patrol]

raids have alot of stuff done for specifically them, like a LOT of changes are over raid performance and nothign else, bouncing bomb was literally only nerfed because raidboss/tower models allowed you to get all your bounces on them consistantly

[split prawn]

you can beat qira with 8 le for a build and any class

[worthy totem]

What do u realize that sorrow only does like 100k dps for those options right????

[warm musk]

Well yeha its in consideration but they probably dont only think about team content also considering fruma will come out soon

[steady copper]

Spamming sorrow on sstar?

[acoustic patrol]

dude sunstar aco is legit war meta you are not a knower

[worthy totem]

Hybrid?

[acoustic patrol]

spell

[rapid tulip]

can you explain it in league of legends terms?

[split prawn]

sorrow acolyte on wars 🥀

[worthy totem]

How would it ever be meta when the sorrow does piss dmg

[steady copper]

Reso burst in wars is crazy ngl

[worthy totem]

Only use case would be debuffing

[acoustic patrol]

"burst"

[steady copper]

1.5mil burst then just hang out for 5 sec

Maybe do it again

[regal mantle]

amazing 300k dps

[split prawn]

also how did the laby talk go to wars 😭 get back to raid balancing or whatever

[proven sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/911561413884002315/973195970445738034/image0-59.gif

(Responding to the post)

[rapid tulip]

nahh dont give op more space to yap

[worthy totem]

No one does warring anyway lol but pls send me sstar aco war bc I do not believe it… numbers wise it makes 0 sense

[rapid tulip]

just close the thread already

[split prawn]

bloop hate will not be tolerated 😔

[worthy totem]

Can we make a platform below tcc so summoner can hit boss like laby does 😭

[sleek cobalt]

Bro is a hater

[rapid tulip]

lowkey make a feedback post out if it🔥

[sleek cobalt]

“My mythic will not be nerfed frick you”

[worthy totem]

I mean Laby is strong but I don’t think it’s that broken bc of how content locked it is + u showing someone soloing TNA with it in 12min isn’t that crazy

[pliant vale]

who is taking 12 mins to solo tna with laby 😭

[worthy totem]

Think vid was 15 actually

[ebon bone]

they were naked with no accessories as well!!

[split prawn]

same poeple who do it with offmeta things

[pliant vale]

oh u mean that video

i thought u meant in general i was so fucking confused

[ebon bone]

the same person did notg a few minutes ago as well

[sleek cobalt]

Bro was legit wearing no armor or accessories

Like at that point with the low ehp it takes skill

[worthy totem]

But he was also doing pala dps?!

[sleek cobalt]

If he did more dmg with that ehp it would be fine

But laby having free defence bc of its use requirements make it tonk

[rapid tulip]

I owned one of the top labys and sold it because it really isnt that good. Too slow for notg with focus, outpeformed by mages in tcc and inconsistent in tna/nol without glue

[worthy totem]

This post should be made about like warp and hero instead 👍

[ebon bone]

do you mean fallen and winded-stacked arcanist

[steady copper]

Warp catching strays

[sleek cobalt]

Just like change breathless to do less for meteor or smth

[steady copper]

Let's nerf RW even more yeah

[rapid tulip]

delete breathless, buff base meteor

[sleek cobalt]

Also riftwalker is pending an overhaul iirc

[rapid tulip]

nobody plays it anyways, we gotta wait for a rework

[steady copper]

We cookin over in the Blink thread

[rapid tulip]

or just put breathless at the bottom of the rw tree for the time being

[sleek cobalt]

So that would probably bring big changes and might remove breathless outright, but i agree that it shouldnt be left alone because its gonna be changed in the future

[split prawn]

if blink was faster it would be so good ngl

[sleek cobalt]

Or just make it not viable to get with arcanist

Even slightly further down in the tree works fine

But like the thread is for laby guys

[peak tendon]

I think breathless kinda has to be up there for early game balancing reasons

[sleek cobalt]

Tone down damage but make it more consistent is an option, make it deal the damage it does but need slightly more effort to play it

[peak tendon]

Realistically rw should prolly take a page out of fallens book and have winded buff melee only as first red node and have breathless as second red node cuz diffusion is a pile of dogshit

[rapid tulip]

you gotta rephrase what you really wanted to say and make another post. Like dude, look at your initial post rn, it says nothing

[ebon bone]

or be inspired by acrobat's weightless and add "better winded" at the bottom of rw

[sleek cobalt]

It says laby op plz nerf

[rapid tulip]

not hating this time, it just could've been more constructive

[sleek cobalt]

Yea i agree i couldve raised some points to how it could be tweaked

[neon mist]

@hasty fox lmaooo they made a thread because of you

[normal fable]

@hasty fox freakville

[neon mist]

can't wait for you to finish onol with it 🔥

[normal fable]

oh he did grootslang too

[indigo topaz]

have we reached peak constructive feedback

[neon mist]

yeah LOL

[normal fable]

https://youtu.be/CjP3ahB3HUA?si=7HjezkErycqnqfHH

[neon mist]

though i also gotta recommend checking out a portion of the first greg solo

[normal fable]

the really old ignis one???

[neon mist]

yes

[normal fable]

the 70 minute ignis video emoji 33

[neon mist]

that one seemed much harder (take my opinion with a bucket of salt i don't play archer)

[supple pasture]

@hasty fox I think you should go out and touch grass

no earth mythics dont count

[normal fable]

a straight 15 minute nohit is pretty sick though

[errant fable]

Or hands

[sleek cobalt]

Not because of him. Was debating making a thread even before the videos but they let me prove a point

[neon mist]

fair, just wasn't expecting to see my friend's video in a feedback post :)

[sleek cobalt]

He did very well

[neon mist]

ong 🔥

[neon tangle]

wheres nol n notg?

[steady copper]

https://youtu.be/CjP3ahB3HUA
NoL not done yet

[visual sluice]

agree to nerf laby but i dont agree nerf archer

like 1~2 month ago they nerfed trapper

for what lol laby?

everyone know laby use focus aspect

and i saw someone say trapper aspect nerf is LITTLE , do they know how damage will lost for phunter?

[hard edge]

here's my take

ONLY nerf laby WHEN archer gets a buff.

I know IMs and AT don't work together, but ATLEAST ONE of the teams should have the COMMON SENSE to not nerf an item that allows a class to function properly UNTIL the class is buffed (then laby nerf would be fine)

[peak tendon]

revert shrapnel nerf ong

gives bolt a lot of its damage back after bouncy got killed and shrap was only nerfed because of its interaction with bouncy/bombstack in the first place

and would add a useable aspect back to archer

[hard edge]

surely this is a buff for all my lower mains right?

[glad violet]

rip ritualist qol

+2 seconds

[burnt kestrel]

Is this a ragebait post

[thick mountain]

seeking traps 🗣️🔥

[thick mountain]

real

i cannot count how many times ppl tell me i need to use a fast spell macro to get a real dmg

[timid cloud]

op with the endless yapping about laby

[steady copper]

honestly yeah its kinda annoying to play macro spam classes

which is why I like aco since its more methodical

[soft vale]

ATTRITION REFERENCE

[fresh cove]

You're trash lol

[pastel gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/smadging-speech-bubble-speech-bubble-smadging-gif-26061412

[vocal kettle]

i love hmelee attrition! easy 170k dps while just holding shift + right click!

[fresh cove]

you're person criticizing someone for no reason LMAO

[pastel gulch]

I'm literally agreeing with the post lmfao, just memeing the admins

[fresh cove]

i hate you

[timid cloud]

Id very much not hit the base weapon if anything rather aim at whichever part that makes it unique

If max damage is the issue, go shoot off some focus or just start adding damage resist per string touched by 1 mob

if lowcps is the issue it has its way of gaining more dmg with casting storm and such, just that most of its loaded in its intended trap gameplay and i very much am against killing all options to do low cps

Like, making everything spellspam/buttonmashing with macros is ass when it easily raises the entry bar to play, causes faster fatigue and reducing playtime and retention this way

as for prices thats just annie design issue, also high partially since when server lags to hell this is like the only option we got that can delete it

Acolyte, well resonance was something i also liked but that just blew up on its rework

[median kayak]

me when a weapon is good without 10cps macro 😔

i sold it cuz it was much weaker than the hype suggested

[timid cloud]

its weaker than what 10cps macro peaks at but its a comfort choice, the problem is that its the ONLY one we get currently

[median kayak]

it literally does like 1/3 of its dummy dps on anything moving

and if you wanna make 4 stack party and bring glue, 30 other options will still out dps laby

[acoustic patrol]

super real lmao

[soft vale]

oh damn another attrition player? whats ur build

[sleek cobalt]

Laby players when they have to actually do something to deal dmg:

[timid cloud]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/361194799744679947/1346414899143643186/image_2025-03-04_150123855.gif

[vocal kettle]

something from blue builds iirc

[soft vale]

could u post it/

or is just straight from blues

[viral sage]

laby is great i love not having to play the game and being able to outdps actual builds

[sleek cobalt]

So true, plz buff laby 🙏

[visual sluice]

So true, plz buff laby 🙏

[median kayak]

if you get out dpsed by laby theres a bigger issue on your part

or you just look at dmg farming during raids and laby getting 40% from farming 50 mobs is op

[sleek cobalt]

bro talking like 700k dps is just a sneeze

[median kayak]

i wish laby hit this numbers in actual gameplay

not after 2 hours of setup on stationary dummy 😔

[acoustic patrol]

youre throwing this number around like its something laby is doing consistantly and not full rage max thread connection max focus max patient hunter on a full glass build

[sleek cobalt]

then ur not playing it right

[median kayak]

fun fact, good 95% of people complaining about laby never used laby

[sleek cobalt]

if ur only getting 700k when doing that im sorry but ur doing something wrong

[sleek cobalt]

fun fact, good 95% of people defending laby use laby

[median kayak]

complaining about something you dont even know how it works 😭

constantly saying it does 700k dps out of your ass and you dont even have it

[sleek cobalt]

yknow some people can actually use their brain and observation skills

[acoustic patrol]

its either this or youre disingenously using numbers that include raid buffs team buffs and hitbox quirks like tcc multi hit

[sleek cobalt]

i know its a lot to ask from a laby player

[acoustic patrol]

i guess thats on me for expecting you to be good faith

[sleek cobalt]

same shit with builds youre comparing it to

[median kayak]

laby indeed htis 700k dps:
on dummy with 8 focus with courage when traps explode 🔥

[sleek cobalt]

acting like im some sorta supervillain 😭

[shy stream]

blud complaining like it effects him

[sleek cobalt]

u cant be serious right?

[acoustic patrol]

no actually not at all lol i use raw numbers because raid buffs and team buffs have insane variance and completely ruin all credibility

[acoustic patrol]

can u start posting proof for stuff you say, it was recently brought to my attentio nthe person in the videos isnt evne you im not even sure you own the weapon or have spent more than 5 seconds using it

would also like to see build and videos showcasing the raw dps on dummy without buffs orr crit farming

[median kayak]

opinion of experience of 96% weighted laby with crafted build is less important than your observation skill of farming on shielded grubs 😭

[sleek cobalt]

come to my housing

[acoustic patrol]

this literally lmao i have a bunch of playtime on the weapon it is unironically one of the weaker builds on my acc and i only play it for fun on gambit days that work well for it in a premade

[sleek cobalt]

it has infinite hp regen and 0 other buffs/addons so it doesnt even use rage

[median kayak]

my only use for laby WAS to afk raids to get money for a better build lowkey

[sleek cobalt]

or endurance bc housing

[median kayak]

i sold it cuz it was NOT worth the 50stx for this damage

[acoustic patrol]

nah like its fun and it can feel powerful under the right conditions

its just if it doesn get those conditions you are useless and bored out of your mind

[median kayak]

if pf idiots stop kiting tna around the border so you can do 200k dps with raid buffs 🔥

and in tcc/notg its still out dpsed by A LOT of shit

[acoustic patrol]

nerfing its reward for dealing with the intrinsic annoyances that come with playing a ramping damage area denial class just makes the weapon immediately not worth using both from a meta and enjoyment perspective like theres no return on investment at all

[median kayak]

shadestepper is stronger + easier cuz gl getting damaged with perma vanish + more fun

and the weapon to run it costs like 3stx for 80% main

[sleek cobalt]

once my internet stops being ass and actually lets me record i'll send a vid

[median kayak]

i wish wynn had content and i would come back to playing 😔

[sleek cobalt]

ok my friend is recording it for me bc my internet's still ass

[visual sluice]

laby is too weak i use gma with laby teammate and i got 45% total dmg

||u guys dont know the skill||

[median kayak]

gma outdamaged laby HARD before bouncy nerf, idk how its now but still should do this

#1355597494461137017

[lavish vapor]

i have no comment here besides that its funny that people disagree on something that is relatively pretty measurable

[visual sluice]

cause some ppl just saw someone say oh #%$$ is weak

and they believe it

and sure someone say will xxx is strong too

so buff laby cause it was weaker than gma

[median kayak]

me when laby farms 50%+ ova dmg on shielded grubs and deals like 10% in boss room before fallen nukes the shit out of it: clearly too weak plz buff

[steady copper]

Can we have grub damage just not count please

[visual sluice]

wynnbalance when

[median kayak]

nah, people decide whats good and whats not by raid overalls

we need to inflate laby stats by farming in challenge rooms

[timid cloud]

And tcc dmg should never be a proper measurement stick

[steady copper]

This is what I do with Reso

[timid cloud]

that thing is the worst raid to base weapon dps off of lmao

[visual sluice]

oh yesss gma but only can set 4traps

[sleek cobalt]

threads only without courage/dog/anything literally just afk deals 500k already.

[visual sluice]

trapper when in tcc:got nice hitbox but less trap other;fxxk my dmg LESS teammate just steal my agro

[visual sluice]

show you house setting before video

[sleek cobalt]

ok

[pliant vale]

this is a thread of all time to read through

btw i dont think anyone is disputing housing dps that's pretty cut and dry

[steady copper]

I need more copium fuel and damage per screenshot ‼️

[sleek cobalt]

look at this euouae!

[timid cloud]

Immovable mob vs a weapon that literally is designed to deal damage within a certain area… i wonder

[pliant vale]

i've used laby i know what the dummy dps is dawg

[timid cloud]

tho like if we say glue thats a glue thing

not labys issue bc glue affects literally everything lol

[visual sluice]

without anything if focus=500k x 2.15 for sure

[sleek cobalt]

that is with focus

[visual sluice]

anything😡

[timid cloud]

Laby vs orphion and laby vs parasite shows really funny things

[median kayak]

so you are telling me a stationary enemy after 2 hours of focus setup takes 500k

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[sleek cobalt]

looking at fallen healing time/decreasing hp to start actually dealing dmg making its actual dps shit

[visual sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-oh-the-misery-everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-gif-25368312

[median kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-bait-fishing-thats-bait-time-to-go-fishing-dark-souls-gif-12687109592345272249

who invited foxos alt

[sleek cobalt]

you cant just nitpick "oh weh weh laby gotta charge focus to afk" and just fucking ignore fallen having to setup their low hp to deal dmg 😂

[acoustic patrol]

this is true but the issue fallen has is that invuln phases compensate that weakness making its effective dps way better, laby does not have this same grace and cannot be compared

[sleek cobalt]

fym invuln phase

[timid cloud]

Fallen also well, can move

[median kayak]

you are entire time ignoring the fact that laby does fractions of the damage against ANYTHING THAT MOVES

[neon tangle]

foxos alt is crazy words

[timid cloud]

your traps do not follow the enemy

[sleek cobalt]

can you not see the RANGE of all the threads NEXT TO the dummy?

[sleek cobalt]

if only you could cast another arrow bomb

[timid cloud]

Can you see the amount of threads that the parasite gets hit by

[sleek cobalt]

ig its too much to ask laby players to cast 1 more spell

[median kayak]

and lose entire focus and do less dmg than pre buff acrobat for 2 minutes

[timid cloud]

Its too much for you to look away from stationary targets

[sleek cobalt]

if it takes u 2 min to setup focus youre ass

[pliant vale]

chat trust me everything that's being said here has been said like 500 times before in this thread

[visual sluice]

wha

[timid cloud]

Yes

[median kayak]

non focus laby is like 200k or smth, legit peak of old acrobat

[pliant vale]

why would you ; .;, run ;,,; ;,

[visual sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/wynncraft-orphion-gif-523918968987929093

[sleek cobalt]

bros dps was 200-300k with literally just afk threads no focus no dog no courage, then it went up to 500k with focus

[timid cloud]

You need to stop sitting and actually deal with moving targets like what the newer end of wynn mobs seems to be getting

[sleek cobalt]

but again i said that the damage isnt the horrible part its the afk promoting gameplay that is

[visual sluice]

all trapper:

[sleek cobalt]

while doing that much dmg*

[acoustic patrol]

this is just not fundementally changing though

[timid cloud]

play the fucking game and not housing thanks

[median kayak]

cuz laby position based gameplay cant do the same dmg like 10 cps macros

[visual sluice]

||i said let trap can walk with it self||

[sleek cobalt]

then the dmg shouldnt be that high

[timid cloud]

Get out

[median kayak]

mf is only comparing stationary dummy numbers

[acoustic patrol]

icba rehashing the same points with you again you just dont have enough experience on the weapon to be making these sweeping claims

[sleek cobalt]

i couldnt care less about your opinion DUDE member

[median kayak]

hit this numbers on tna/nol, especially in pf with griefing randoms ill wait

[pliant vale]

wynncraft

[acoustic patrol]

legit just using this thread as subways surfurs during nol downtime and its still boring

[normal fable]

true.....

[visual sluice]

guys just touch grass like my name say so

[timid cloud]

And if ur constantly being talked by people with similar opinions theres certainly something you dont get regardless of the person

[sleek cobalt]

try to hit any 700k CONSTANT DPS on any class in nol/tna with griefing pf ill wait

[median kayak]

this suggests laby does 700 on tna 🗿 ☠️

[sleek cobalt]

?

[timid cloud]

p sure fallen still gets to do that since it…can walk and chase

[sleek cobalt]

"this numbers" referring to the 500-700k i mentioned right? pretty sure it was you

[visual sluice]

know what? i am happy to hit 1.2-1.5m for 7wait time on trapper

[normal fable]

i don't even play wynncraft anymore i'm just watching this thread while i'm at work

how exactly does focus laby work tho, is it legit just waiting for the threads to build up to 7 focus (I don't play archer it was my assumption that any miss would reset your focus, is that just not the case for active threads?)

[pliant vale]

set up traps and put enemy thru the threads

[sleek cobalt]

threads thta dont hit dont remove focus

[timid cloud]

Misses are when arrows are fired

[normal fable]

sick

[sleek cobalt]

threads missing removing focus would fix that

[median kayak]

you place traps, wait for 8 focus: oops enemy moved replace traps and build focus from 0 again

[visual sluice]

if u afk u wont lost anything

[acoustic patrol]

unironically removing focus interaction and increasing base damage would be nice

[visual sluice]

guardian carry

[pliant vale]

the only valid argument i think i've seen in the last hour in this thread is laby being super inconsistent with shit teammates

[median kayak]

that would be a massive buff

[acoustic patrol]

lower peak damage and more consistancy

[normal fable]

i wonder if this is also partially a product of the playstyle not being on any other weapon besides labyrinth with laby being extremely expensive and allat

[median kayak]

remove setup and peak dmg never happens outside of tcc/annie

[sleek cobalt]

everything is super inconsistent with shit teammates, flawed argument

[visual sluice]

that was all the trapper problem

[long cargo]

real

[median kayak]

add that it cant hit flying mobs at all

[pliant vale]

its not black and white (consistent/inconsistent) laby is inarguably more inconsistent because you're setting up a static area that does damage while other playstyles have the ability to move with mobs far easier

[median kayak]

aka 3/4 of nol challenge rooms

[sleek cobalt]

arrow storm:

[visual sluice]

trapper:

[normal fable]

i wonder if no armor no accessories anni is doable with labyrinth with sun not having a grounded hitbox and all

[sleek cobalt]

but ig laby players dont want to use spells

[median kayak]

ask your 700k dps friends how much phantom ray* does dps

[steady copper]

Laby + Aco notg meta goes brazy tho

The two archetypes that benefit from sitting still

[visual sluice]

150-200

[median kayak]

true

[normal fable]

consulting the graph rn

[timid cloud]

Which eventually may go away since the raid designers acknowledge the walling issue and is likely planning to combat

[long cargo]

raid boss on large bouncy castle

[sleek cobalt]

the area you can set up is unironically quite large with the amount of traps u can have at one time

[normal fable]

that means touching the grootslang code

[visual sluice]

anyway i feel happy to buy some hana when acro rework change log drop(still in my bank😭 😭 😭

[median kayak]

clearly walling is a issue with aco + laby and not lb + 2 fallens

[normal fable]

i was about to say

[pliant vale]

well yeah i agree but that's where like i mentioned at the start, one of the only real arguments i've seen in this thread is random people just fucking around with the boss and luring it in and out

[timid cloud]

Fallens just another story ye

[sleek cobalt]

comparing 1 laby player to 2 fallen players already shows enough

[timid cloud]

Tho im just speaking about the walling since uh was it lexnt or lumi that said theyre working/thinking about it

[median kayak]

have you checked prices recently

[long cargo]

if other archetype is playable, why would player choose fallen over others

[sleek cobalt]

adding to that that fallen does shit damage at full hp and needs to heal and relower their health repeatedly

[median kayak]

its easy to have 2 50stx labys like 2 7stx heros

[timid cloud]

p sure fallen lb is an at issue

[acoustic patrol]

fallen apologism was not on my bingo card for this thread icl

[visual sluice]

just know u only need 1laby in ur team for speedrun(block blocked

[timid cloud]

especially where fortitude numbers needs to be adjusted alongside with aspect rebalancing

[steady copper]

Another derailed thread...

[long cargo]

real

[pliant vale]

this hasn't even been derailed its just that no actual new points have been made since the initial few for the last few hours

[timid cloud]

bc op kept bringing up stationary dps vs moving targets we ask for yes

[sleek cobalt]

if only half my messages didnt get ignored. ig i cant expect much more from kongoboys members

[visual sluice]

there is only 3archtype in raid 1fallen 2 shade 3 laby

[timid cloud]

Because you say to throw bombs on the target that will just run past again

[median kayak]

you quite literally only keep mentioning 500-700k STATIONARY dps and ignoring entire game outside of housing

[sleek cobalt]

again just ignoring my messages

[steady copper]

Isn't shade only good in TCC

[normal fable]

tbh from an newly outside perspective my main issue with labyrinth was that it while it changed up how you played the game, that playstyle is also locked to a very expensive anni item

[visual sluice]

u didnt see

[median kayak]

shade is goated everywhere except notg unless he got nerfed again after i quit

[normal fable]

also shade is aight in just about every raid, especially good in TCC though

[timid cloud]

This fucking sucks yes, we need more items or well maybe an at support that reduces cps intensive gameplay

[sleek cobalt]

ive responded to your messages and youre not bringing any valid response to them, just going back to focus on one specific point ive mentioned. cant really get much done then aye

[visual sluice]

[median kayak]

show one of your responses

[acoustic patrol]

shade is best in tcc but other stuff thats also best in tcc is better than it in tcc so its super overshadowed lol

[normal fable]

TRUE i kinda stopped playing wynncraft after a hand injury reduced my cps lmao

[sleek cobalt]

.

[median kayak]

and that has to do with?

[sleek cobalt]

youre acting as if moving enemies only affects laby

[timid cloud]

9/10cps meta is not healthy at all, it legit makes things look terrible with executions just being clicks on different classes eventually leading to macros, boredom and fatigue

[median kayak]

also fallen/shade can hit this numbers so idk whats your point

[normal fable]

hold on a sec i have to read the top of the thread to remember what the original point of this was

[neon tangle]

tstack epoch is pretty fire tho

its more brainded than this laby ngl

[north nebula]

then shouldnt you compare with laby damage against moving targets?

[timid cloud]

Laby does this much to a stationary target can we nerf!

[sleek cobalt]

once again just ignoring my points about fallen. if youre just gonna omit my responses im done talking

[north nebula]

because laby literally doesnt do 700k on moving targets so why would we need to prove 700k on moving targets on other classes

[sleek cobalt]

the tna video in question:

[median kayak]

yet again, crying that fallen needs to heal yet ignoring laby doing ass dmg when enemy is moving

[normal fable]

i think Epoch is less braindead all around but more braindead initially since you have to at least kind of think about where you initially put your traps, but my experiene with laby is limited (I borrow it from my brother)

[visual sluice]

out dmg

[sleek cobalt]

refer to my last message reacting to goosecore

[acoustic patrol]

this is kinda like a mcchicken level quality argument

[normal fable]

god damn i worded that like garbage

[viral compass]

dude i fucking love the mcchicken

[visual sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-oh-the-misery-everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-gif-25368312

[acoustic patrol]

nah bro mcchicken fucking sucks what are you on

[north nebula]

and regarding stationary bosses, laby isnt even top 2 on tcc, a literally stationary boss

[viral compass]

@median kayak count your days

[pliant vale]

mcchicken slander is crazy

[neon tangle]

comparing the price, so worth

[median kayak]

do you know how much chemistry is in one mcchicken?

[normal fable]

i've actually never had a mcchicken are they any good

[viral compass]

the mcchicken is the unrivaled best item on the menu

[acoustic patrol]

real mchicken is so fucking terrible

[median kayak]

no fucking piece of chicken should have 20+ ingridients

[normal fable]

i was always more of a wendys guy before their prices went up

[pliant vale]

free mcchickens from the mcdonalds app for days

[normal fable]

deadass? i gotta get that app

[pliant vale]

(its not that cheap. inflation 🎑 )

[timid cloud]

The tna video consisting of 15m long running with less than a quarter of dps uptime

[normal fable]

TRUE.....

[sleek cobalt]

im gonna drown you in mcchickens if youre not careful (satire)

[median kayak]

https://youtu.be/hT-TyVrQ9yo

[viral compass]

the things i would do for a cheap mcchicken

[visual sluice]

i will say tcrack+slayer ez dmg

[normal fable]

tcrack slayer mentioned

[neon tangle]

it requires some spams....

[median kayak]

lowkey i think the dmg/price ratio is the lowest on laby with the only competitor being toxo maybe

[sleek cobalt]

with laby ehp you can very easily keep the boss in your trap areas instead of having to make sure you dont get breathed at the wrong way

[normal fable]

wait a second tcrack is generally considered good now right?

[visual sluice]

omw to right and left click

[acoustic patrol]

this is so real i hate mccicken

[normal fable]

is this referring to general laby use or the video

[steady copper]

Coming from someone with less than 20h on Archer, it sound like wabby is boring but does good dps on stationary targets. Methinks it should do more consistent damage but less overall

Am I getting that right?

[neon tangle]

when ur hp goes to nearly 0, do u flee away or still right click n left click?

[median kayak]

yes

[acoustic patrol]

also video is unavailable

[timid cloud]

Therefore please show us the example of what you claim to instead of a housing dummy

[median kayak]

fucken mcchicken agents took it down to prevent propaganda

[visual sluice]

wabby

[viral compass]

what do you think about the mcchicken

[sleek cobalt]

if only i had a laby readily available to use in a raid

[steady copper]

I prefer habmnurger

[median kayak]

watch it in youtube not discord

[acoustic patrol]

yeah trhat sounds about right

[sleek cobalt]

i'd gladly prove you wrong

[viral compass]

i am going to do really bad things

[visual sluice]

bro eat pot and right left click

[normal fable]

but yeah i wish the "weapon that changes the way you think about your archetype" thing wasn't so fucking expensive

[steady copper]

Also Wendy's better

[acoustic patrol]

yeah thats really fair mcchicken kinda blows

[viral compass]

you are on a list.

[timid cloud]

ill lend you mine so you can actually play it then

[visual sluice]

ur time is enough to get full hp

[frail aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252430691946201158/1354553046759248065/julmurdertext.gif

[neon tangle]

they dk its a "solo" challenge so the conditions r just ezily met

[steady copper]

Real and true

[normal fable]

seeing anni exclusive major ids feels kinda bad esp when the playstyle sounds cool

[acoustic patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1252430691946201158/1354553046759248065/julmurdertext.gif

[steady copper]

Esp when they're mostly mid

[timid cloud]

Btw whats ur ingame name

[steady copper]

Who

[pliant vale]

here is my viewpoint since this thread is so far down the shitter it's basically in the sewer
IN A VACUUM, laby is a bit overtuned on stationary bosses
in my experience, laby is kinda fine, maybe a bit much, for soloing on moving bosses i.e. greg
using it in pfinder is hard to quantify because of the inconsistency of it all but it is undeniably worse. the gap between this and laby on stationary bosses is a bit much

i really do think that that gap is too much right now. i still do lean on the side of a laby nerf but that's independent of all the other shit that's going on right now with fallen n stuff and that's my perspective as a person not necessarily as the item team

[normal fable]

i get that it's meant to be a justification for you to get off your ass and go box with big annihilation, but i'd like to at least see some non mythic "free trial" options for those specific major ids

[neon tangle]

more buttons, more scroll :(

[steady copper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1156254304865374280/1348453848246779925/caption.gif

[viral compass]

i agree with this even though i didnt read it i just know you like the mcchicken

[pliant vale]

preach

[median kayak]

nerfing dmg without making it actually hit moving shit would be the craziest outcome

[pliant vale]

can u stop exaggerating my guy

[acoustic patrol]

i fudnementally disagree with this and hate you on an ontological level the mcchicken is the most abhorrent piece of garbage to ever hit western markets and you are an EVIL person for corroborating it

[normal fable]

TRUE

i'm sure efflorescence is really good when you look at it in a vacuum and don't associate it with acrobat

[viral compass]

You are a horrible person

[steady copper]

Would you rather jump for the mcchicken or the mcbeef

[normal fable]

does the ice cream machine work

[viral compass]

😭

[acoustic patrol]

at least im a horrible person with taste you baffoon

[normal fable]

i'll would jump for a fuckin shamrock shake rn

[steady copper]

Make a feedback thread ab it stop going off topic

[pliant vale]

daily autosmord essay

[steady copper]

Grimace shake better

[viral compass]

mcchicken feedback incoming

[frail aspen]

I like citied's idea of removing focus interaction and buffing base. It would make using spells and maybe hmelee twains less risky if you miss, though take it with a grain of salt because i dont even have a laby

[steady copper]

Also can someone explain what glue is

[pliant vale]

aggro

[visual sluice]

all trapper suck when they have bad temmate

[acoustic patrol]

that thing ppl who like mcchicken ingest nasally

[median kayak]

i like how first laby change past rework was reducing its aoe

[visual sluice]

wow dmg less warp just steal agro

[median kayak]

keep stationary the same which was the issue and make it worse where it struggled

[steady copper]

Hmm

[timid cloud]

so erm does anyone know whats Bloops ign so i can lend this laby

[pliant vale]

its euouae_

[frail aspen]

Though the tenderness of mac chicken is mesmerizing i need to get one now

[normal fable]

its EarInfection

[visual sluice]

it is KLT_yuidamilk

[steady copper]

Guys can we move over to the #1354288136804368635 after we finish with wabby

[visual sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/your-mom-gif-25772836

[steady copper]

Then someone can make a bb thread after

[normal fable]

bloodbath seems cool

never tried it tho is it still considered to be diet thrundacrack/alkatraz

[visual sluice]

bbath good isnt?

[pliant vale]

nope it is shit does 50k dps

[visual sluice]

[normal fable]

(my knowledge of it exclusively comes from wynncord users complaining that it sucks)

[acoustic patrol]

WRONG

[normal fable]

it seems cool though, i like the gimmick not being an exclusive highly expensive major id that you can theoretically experience yourself by tanking your mana regen to shit

[visual sluice]

bbath give ppl idea to make -mr +sd crafted

-28 mr but +40sd%

[normal fable]

is it imperative that you run the aspect on it

like is it depressingly bad if you don't have bp aspect

[steady copper]

Go apply for mcdonalds atp

[viral compass]

mcchicken

[visual sluice]

get it

[normal fable]

true...

[steady copper]

Opinion on Taco Bell?

[median kayak]

this thread is finally talking about serious important stuff

https://tenor.com/view/sancho-sancho-limbus-sancho-canto-7-canto-7-canto-7-limbus-gif-14334152630275618064

[timid cloud]

guess op went mia when i was gonna lend laby so they can start speaking from experience

[viral compass]

theres none in my province

[median kayak]

ill take it, i sold mine

[visual sluice]

ok GIVE and i will sell it

[normal fable]

Taco Bell really knows their strengths and I admire that

[steady copper]

I'd try laby but my only archer is hunted so it's just a perma debuff

[split prawn]

sooo what happened here

[visual sluice]

give it to me!

[viral compass]

mcchicken

[median kayak]

mcchicken

[timid cloud]

a shitshow made from assumptions and not experience, here im trying to lend so they stand on the same ground

[visual sluice]

do the hunter calling

[acoustic patrol]

welcome to the warzone pick ur side mcchicken yes or mcchicken no

[steady copper]

Can't turn it off like that

[steady copper]

This is kinda annoying tho

[visual sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-oh-the-misery-everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-gif-25368312

[timid cloud]

this shit is ending up like the em seek pay discussion where people did not war before and after

[normal fable]

Thats what im saying ‼️

[split prawn]

emseek is the only way to afk farm money legally

[steady copper]

Funny with all the work being poured into shaman and assassin and they're still not finished

[long cargo]

where bmonk rework

[split prawn]

warrior forgotten

[sleek cobalt]

my bad i will never leave my pc again i will be glued here for life

[normal fable]

like bro why the fuck did they take the beef gordita supreme off them enu

[steady copper]

GLUE MENTIONED???

[timid cloud]

I assumed ur online since well, we had a long ass convo here

And i expected it to be raid downtime or something

[split prawn]

laby does deserve more interactive gameplay

[visual sluice]

touch grass brroooo

[sleek cobalt]

i have like food im eating

[timid cloud]

ah mb

[visual sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/100-gif-549184224117281305

[sleek cobalt]

not a mcchicken @acoustic patrol

[visual sluice]

mcchicken cooked

[steady copper]

Yall fw the new Carti album?

[sleek cobalt]

i heard its ass

[steady copper]

It's fire fym

[sleek cobalt]

idk how it is tho

[viral compass]

change that rn

[sleek cobalt]

a mcchicken @viral compass

[viral compass]

YES!!!

[median kayak]

chickenmc

[pliant anchor]

i reread most of this thread again so uh
op does not like the fact that laby can just put down traps and do high damage while doing almost nothing except running around
people disagree cause the evidences that supports op's point are just videos of naked laby solo graid bosses except nol and a recording of housing dummy dps
then the argument got heated and got slightly derailed

is this correct

[visual sluice]

yes so buff ||touch grass||

[steady copper]

Wabby

[pliant anchor]

don't really get this part though

[visual sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-oh-the-misery-everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-gif-25368312

[steady copper]

Highlight of the thread

[pliant anchor]

yeah I agree laby needs a nerf but it's not that overpowered in pf

[timid cloud]

op does not have a laby to use and experience/playtest in actual gameplay, ill lend them mine so they get to actually feel how a moving target feels like

[steady copper]

Buff archer before nerfing waby

[timid cloud]

(if i can catch them)

[sleek cobalt]

tmr when i have decent internet

[timid cloud]

gotcha, uh shoot a dm on discord since ingame im probs afk

and pray im not eeping or suffering suddenly added extra workload

[visual sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262010576295821312/1351158361541971978/live2.gif

[timid cloud]

btw i really do think a ton of shit comes straight from how annie sucks

[rapid tulip]

Bloop does not dream of the labyrinth senpai

can we close the thread already

[sleek cobalt]

if you dont like it unfollow the post

[split prawn]

make laby disable grape bombs so you have more control on where to place your traps

[sleek cobalt]

was already mentioned in the thread

[split prawn]

by me

[timid cloud]

anyways lemme just write down my opinions
laby deals slightly too much to immovable, and eats shit on targets that runs outa its traps.
going down from /7 to /4 or /5 focus with powers shoved split into its base and arrow storm would be nice.

intended tankiness, has to sack a few hits(if solo) to keep or lure mobs into the traps as it loses damage if it runs away.

[sleek cobalt]

yes i agree that the damage on stationary targets should be less and more for moving targets

[visual sluice]

it should turn to 0 cause u didnt hit with dmg attack

[timid cloud]

having to hit the enemy with arrow storm to start focus stacking certainly can be something, it generating 0 and requiring a fkton of storms eh no

[visual sluice]

my opinion is give rope +?ticks per hit in laby major is

[timid cloud]

so slower focus gains off traps alone?

and weaving melees/storms to retain the focus stacking speed or...

[visual sluice]

u can get focus with trap

but u can only get 1 in 1.5sec

[timid cloud]

yeah, i meant as in reducing the speed focus gains to like half, so you gotta actively do something to be stronger earlier

[visual sluice]

so u can get +15% dmg

emmmmm for example?

[timid cloud]

the traps alone only generating focus like every3 or 4.5s, you having to melee/arrow storm to cover the missing 1.5s inbetween and such ig?

so you cant just go afk but you have to atleast cast something, idk how that is

also causes easier focus drops so thats that

[visual sluice]

ok omw to LLR dog will help me get focus

[timid cloud]

oh right ah fuck

nvm dog doesnt generate focus days saved

[visual sluice]

trance winded idea is a good concept

[steady copper]

Nahhh no it ain't bruh

[visual sluice]

[timid cloud]

ye ideas that its like trance speed, but goes back to normal if you melee or storm

[steady copper]

I tried playing Trance and it's just not that good

I'm having more fun on Warpwalker

[visual sluice]

oh no is winded stealer

[timid cloud]

yeah trance, sits on the edge of rampup based dmg and eats balls if it cant stack

[visual sluice]

when there is only 1mob in arera:

[timid cloud]

tho thats like rift issue condensed

just like how reso is now aco issues peaking when blood usage surpasses sustain

[visual sluice]

[steady copper]

I'm just not a huge fan of macro spellspam

[timid cloud]

^

id accept 3/6cps but 9 should not be the norm

[steady copper]

I like aco because it flows better

And imma try wabby when I get home too

[timid cloud]

and there should be more archetypes that is less than an imput every second

[visual sluice]

i’d set trap and run away

[steady copper]

Other than shaman and labby what is there?

sstar ritu could be fun

[timid cloud]

we did have it, then 2 of it got neutered

old hellfire apoc and old 2totem reso

[visual sluice]

💀

[steady copper]

Shatter much better than 2 totem reso ngl

[timid cloud]

in a sense lightbenders could also be, if they actually work with sslow

[timid cloud]

its the days before shatter got to do blood

[steady copper]

Bloodshatter is the most fun playstyle in the game imo

[timid cloud]

so you didnt have to shift and such to sorrow, good days

[visual sluice]

dont like lb

[steady copper]

rs

[timid cloud]

its certainly a new, nice playstyle just that its cps intensive

[visual sluice]

||can heal and dmg more than me😡 ||

[timid cloud]

tho it still hasnt solved the issue where aco sucks on its own

[steady copper]

Still less cps intensive than arca or fallen tho

[timid cloud]

tru

[steady copper]

And assassin

Bro even optimal shade cycles are super fast and precise

[timid cloud]

i partially hate new aco cycles since they involve shifting, and i am not a fan of my pinky going to press shift so often and mistapping causes problems lol

[visual sluice]

shhhh RLLRLLRLR

[steady copper]

Just give me real heavy spell I'm begging

[timid cloud]

probs just me not used and my pinky needing to actually press buttons for once

[steady copper]

I like the complexity, so many options and things to pay attention to at a time

Really involved playstyle

[timid cloud]

yeah it certainly added a depth

[steady copper]

You can easily drain your hp and get tapped

[visual sluice]

not play a lot at shaman💤

[steady copper]

Too bad it's slowly being pushed out

[viral sage]

cant be bothered to read the whole thread but did someone actually give a valid reason on why laby shouldn't be nerfed?

[viral compass]

mcchicken

[visual sluice]

yessss ig

mcchicken lol

buy 100burger when

[split prawn]

"hey do you think laby should be nerfed?"
"mcchicken"

[pseudo sable]

The shatter hate in question:

[warm musk]

Cause its literally archers only option

Its also the only low cps option

[viral sage]

no hmelee shade exists

[viral compass]

aco is not high cps

[pseudo sable]

Archer is either the best option or the the forgotten option ngl,

[warm musk]

1/2 sure

[visual sluice]

no

[warm musk]

Cheers

[visual sluice]

my option is gma and laby

[warm musk]

We have laby at home

[visual sluice]

look what place will i use

[warm musk]

It should get nerfed but nerfed like last

[viral sage]

idk can you build like 90k ehp and do 300k on gma

[pseudo sable]

B-b-but reso blood shatter…

[viral compass]

ok normal aco is not high cps

[pseudo sable]

[visual sluice]

can u do 500k at start?

[viral sage]

sry what

[warm musk]

They can nerf it once they like figure the other shit out

[visual sluice]

nerf weapon❌ nerf archtype✅ <- this is what they do

[pseudo sable]

The waiting for Annie mythic changes experience

[timid cloud]

Forgot my brainrot hmelee nulli as the lowcps option whoops

tho that isnt for raiding bc it fucking sucks trying

[warm musk]

Insane trapper aspect nerf

[split prawn]

what does low cps mean

[visual sluice]

50% nerf

[warm musk]

What does low mean

[visual sluice]

hana:

[split prawn]

is 5 cps low?

[visual sluice]

low cheap price sale

[steady copper]

Shatter hate is real and will not be tolerated

[visual sluice]

am i right?

[pseudo sable]

Oh boy I love when laby lost 50% of its dps and original functionality and then was tossed into limbo for over 4 months then buffed to now this questionable state!

When hana lost its mana boost from its major id that was the beginning of the end ;(

[steady copper]

Bloodshatter is high cps but not insane spam

[visual sluice]

?

[pseudo sable]

I mean aco is the antithesis of you can’t spam

[visual sluice]

i dont think laby is suck before id rework

[pseudo sable]

It didn’t, but it was nerfed pretty bad with the dps nerf

[visual sluice]

:sad

[steady copper]

Which makes it so much better

Because each spell is more powerful

[visual sluice]

laby dmg before rework i can say it is as good as gma

[pseudo sable]

Trapstack was the biggest culprit of why it got that treatment(also the fact it wasn’t supposed even do significant dmg with traps but wasn’t added until weeks - months later)

[pseudo sable]

[visual sluice]

[steady copper]

Its lowk hard to learn other classes as a shaman main because it's just not similar at all

Macro spamming zzzzz

[visual sluice]

ok so be acro main

oh i am before acro rework

😭

[pseudo sable]

Shaman is much more about positioning around your own parameters than the enemies since you basically create your own movements with how haul is independent of where you look(d totem is an exception I know) but where the totem is

I wanted to test acro after changes but never got around to it, but i heard it’s mixed feelings

[timid cloud]

the same day trappers gets to grief eachother...post patch

(taking spots on the ground bc prio)

[pseudo sable]

I left that life behind when the flame got added to Tcc

[visual sluice]

bring trap stack back.

[worthy totem]

trapstack was only thing that made archer fun

[timid cloud]

Trapstack was the thing that deleted panic zealot 0s into existence and i miss it

[chrome karma]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/911561413884002315/973195970445738034/image0-59.gif

[minor fox]

people who disliked this post are laby abusers fr

also just a note about the tcc clip, labyrinth does fire and earth dmg although I'm sure you know that and trapper has alot of earth dmg in its kit. the thing is tcc has fire and earth defence and I find it extremely stupid how you can solo one of the hardest bosses in the game with no armour, no accessories, and no consus but with only 1 weapon that should be weak against the enemy your fighting

[visual sluice]

all trapper problem i mean defence

[timid cloud]

how the fight takes 21 minutes, the boss being an enlarged target dummy, the raid giving overstatted raid boons…?

Most of tccs moves are properly telegraphed in a way you can dodge

[visual sluice]

laby: akf at safe platform

[timid cloud]

i once again request to stop basing opinions based on tcc performance due to how fucked that raid is

Its like, bandaid patched to reduce being a larger dummy, not doing too great so far but its ought to go through a rework eventually

[visual sluice]

nog when

cancel trapper aspect nerf when

i like this system

[peak tendon]

You do realize that in order to do 51m damage in 21 minutes you have to do a little more than 40k dps right…

[viral sage]

thats good dps for no armor or accessories

[neon tangle]

n tcc buff

[peak tendon]

Incredibly hard to grasp ik

[viral sage]

my bad

i meant to say good dps for no armor no accessories and also having to cast a spell once every minute or so

[split prawn]

tcc buffs do need rebalancing, but not the main point here

[acoustic patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/baffling-gif-24471655

[peak tendon]

Tracer gameplay:
hold right click
Cast arrow bomb (optional)

[hasty fox]

https://youtu.be/uIsu3cfqIAY about that

4/4 cleared solo no armor no accessories, nol is 100% possible albeit very annoying

not sure if this helps the laby case but yeah every raid is doable

[hasty fox]

👍

[peak tendon]

(Btw bro lost and attempt at 4m on parasite to server lag)

very wynn moment

[timid cloud]

btw op did not contact me to borrow the laby

[humble bloom]

unless this was during anni, I am doubtful this was server lag

[humble bloom]

pretty crazy, good job!

[visual sluice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473293194243866624/1334729000127299655/togif.gif

[hasty fox]

i dont have the clip anymore but it was either server lag or some insane internet drop, but i didnt really care either way because the fight itself being a buggy mess was the bigger deal

made it to parasite 6x, with the new update the timer does NOT refresh, meaning you have less time to kill two bosses than any one boss in other raids, time limit sucks and killed 3 of it, and the bouncing ball attack needs to be nerfed, i should not be tackled across the arena

either way it was beyond frustrating to beat and it should show that laby is still goofy if its able to deal with two bosses with nothing on in 23 mins

[stoic pike]

Crying laby too op cuz naked can beat a boss in 2 hours is more wild than looking at dummy numbers imma be fr with you

[viral sage]

laby is too op in general it just happens to be able to beat every boss naked with relative easy

[rapid tulip]

god forbid archer has 1 (one) playable build

still not as good as fallen numbers wise btw

[stoic pike]

Idk i regret buying laby, it isnt as strong it seems

Focus takes longer to ramp up against walking enemies than fallen can burst and heal 2 times 😭

[rapid tulip]

real, I sold mine for that reason. Most expensive weapon in the game being outperformed by fallen in burst and mages in sustain imagine that

[stoic pike]

I should have gotten a goated hero instead of spending 45 stx on this trash 😭

[rapid tulip]

blud just sell it, I managed to make a profit out of mine

theres still demand for laby

[stoic pike]

Omg so op, deals 800k dps and casts once per 3 minutes, totaly not outdamaged 3 times by a random timmy with macro on arcanist

[rapid tulip]

but also its atill viable, not meta but good. If you enjoy it then just use it lil bro

[stoic pike]

Its ass 😭

[rapid tulip]

real

[stoic pike]

Its still on market waiting to sell for a while now

[rapid tulip]

which one is urs?

[sleek cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-club-penguin-club-penguin-dance-skill-issue-gif-24610458

[stoic pike]

90+ 90+ in damage idr