Guild Raids are cool, but they could be better

[patent cove]

yeah lowk i think smord is onto something

my bad for reingaging

[sweet marlin]

yeah, i never said fallen wasn't harder, but is like in LoL comparing Silver IV with Silver III skills

skill ceiling in Wynncraft is and has been always low

is not like other games where a playstyle can require months of perfection, is just learning a pattern and repeating it, there is no variation in that playstyle that allows for higher skill ceiling

[dim pivot]

i hope that, one day, you are able to realize that not everything you say is objective fact and that you can, in fact, be wrong sometimes

thinking that your opinion is above all else is extremely unhealthy for yourself and those around you who are just trying to discuss in a place like this feedback thread

[sweet marlin]

and raids/LR are static, they don't have that much variation to allow higher skill ceiling.

[finite prism]

This game does require a good bit of skill but like its kinda skewed cause you can kill shit in 5 seconds

[dim pivot]

yeah like i said earlier this really depends on the build you use

how much you optimize your build directly correlates to how difficult the game will be for you

hyperoptimizing down to the bone will naturally make this game a cakewalk compared to using something intentionally underpowered

[finite prism]

I dont think this game isnt skillful its just like very unbalanced

[dim pivot]

should this be the case? probably not, but it’s how it is

[dim pivot]

yeah agreed

[shell silo]

items have too much despairity in power

[patent cove]

agreed

[languid prism]

lets also not forget that people building so much tank that they can ignore the game mechanics is probably just as hard to balance around as glass cannon

[dim pivot]

thats real lol it’s barely seen but when it is it’s just absolutely insane

[shell silo]

weak items and strong items are too far apart basically, the game has to either be designed for easy players, so the good builds player clear with no challenge, or skilled players, so casual players have no chance

[finite prism]

You can see it in early game, cause early game is wayyyy more balanced and a at level bovine barn for example takes a good amount of skill

[patent cove]

this is true, ppl boogeyman the current dps meta like the generalist/tank meta wynn had for its entire history since gavel until 2.0 wasnt infinitely less fun

[shell silo]

at level ice barrows is a nightmare

[sweet marlin]

even early corrupted dungeons can be harder than doing EO at high leve

[patent cove]

i remember when raids released every single class i owned was using a WFA water or air mythic build

[dim pivot]

it doesnt help that a lot of the items that the item makers have been adding recently have all been just abhorrently garbage, outshined, and nearly unusable in like every build

[finite prism]

Im ngl the whole time ive played this game its never been like even slightly balanced so i dont even know what a balanced wynncraft even looks like

[sweet marlin]

Taciturn...

[patent cove]

radiation is the most overglazed item in the history of the game icl

[finite prism]

Lmao

[shell silo]

132nd hmelee item incoming

[dim pivot]

the only noteworthy item that has been added in the past like handful of patches is legit just Etiolation

[finite prism]

Dude this item is insane meta!!! And proceeds to send the shittiest build known to maniind

[languid prism]

if taciturn was added before 2.0 it would probably be the best helmet in the game btw

[finite prism]

Doomsday omen and cannonade were good resolution is decent

Titano mainly the tcc items

[sweet marlin]

reso is good but like would be better in a rainbow meta

[patent cove]

icl i think this is just raid lb player mentality skewing our perspective too much i see plenty of people building with the new items and while i totally agree alot of the items do not have the power budget to compete with older staples i think it discredits us alot ot act like any item that doesnt have 8 sp 40% ws and 2 generic damage stats is bad or not worth being added

[dim pivot]

any weapon they add has such a high likelyhood of being garbage but if it isn’t it’s always used for some weird stuff that ends up absolutely shattering the meta for like no reason

[finite prism]

I wont lie tho the balance of the game is more of an at thing

Than an im thing

[shell silo]

the items are more important to balance than AT, they decide the baseline of everything

[patent cove]

they are multiplicative factors that increase eachother they are both equally important

like definitionally

[finite prism]

Also crafteds

[shell silo]

this game getting insane numbers because there are so many factors

[dim pivot]

other items are cool and all but in a game like this where you are given extremely high amounts of build creativity and liberty, it is inevitable that the meta will be very polarizing. naturally the people who have spent a lot of time actually making builds and looking at items will see all of this garbage being thrown into the game and be very unimpressed

[finite prism]

Bro creating a boss around this balancing sounds like aids

[velvet rampart]

[dim pivot]

in a perfect world items would be less polarizing in balance but with all of the item bloat that exists in the game it is inevitable that there will be a very large distinction between and is good and what isnt

[shell silo]

there are high skill ceiling builds, thing is those builds are barely worth it or use desperate facsimile

[finite prism]

Yeah icl this game has insane item bloat

[shell silo]

all etw builds are high skill ceiling

[finite prism]

I dont think 50% of items are even touched

[velvet rampart]

Then do it

[dim pivot]

prob more

[sweet marlin]

i did it, but i don't have fun

[grim nova]

Rework all items and buff hmelee 🙏🙏🙏

[patent cove]

closer to 80% its actually depresssing the level of useless shit that exists in the game items are in the mid thousands and we only use like mid double digits

[finite prism]

Also the problem is there seems to be a lot of hybrid items beinf release but hybrid is pretty dogshit

So it doesnt really matter does it

[sweet marlin]

also most dungeon items are kinda trash, like EO items are not even good but they could with a retouch

[finite prism]

Dude i wish the dungeon items were better

[dim pivot]

hybrid will literally never be consistently good and i dont know why they still make items that cater to it

[finite prism]

It needs at help

[shell silo]

melee needs at help

[finite prism]

There seems to be a very large disconnect b/w the ims and at

[dim pivot]

sharp lowkey has potential to be hybrid but it needs work from the ground up

[sweet marlin]

dungeon items should come with rolls and balanced, tbf whole dungeon loot system could use a redone

[finite prism]

Tbh they should make twains arc hybrid

[shell silo]

basically ims have to make stronger melee items because the tree has nothing to buff it

and this is unbalanced

[velvet rampart]

Then nobody uses the melee items anyway

[finite prism]

Tbh they should just not release half this shit till it gets atree support

[dim pivot]

yeah scaling off both spell and melee damage would be extremely unique to build around

[finite prism]

Cause its gonna be down in the fucking dumps for 10 whole years

[shell silo]

the did add damage ids

[sweet marlin]

also there is some limitations in the dmg/hp and other scales, spell dmg should be converted to "mana/magic dmg", not all spells should use that type of dmg

[shell silo]

uh

[finite prism]

??

[sweet marlin]

like

[dim pivot]

hell no

[grim nova]

What are you on about

[shell silo]

elements exist, if you want op spells to have like air dmg specifically or something but

[sweet marlin]

this is what i meant, like there should be more melee scale or general dmg scale

[patent cove]

what in the huh

[sweet marlin]

or hybrid scales in AT

[grim nova]

Is English a second language for you?

[sweet marlin]

yes

[velvet rampart]

Why does bash scale with magic

[grim nova]

Ok I understand it now

[patent cove]

we already have spell damage raw, spell damage %, damage %, damage raw, elemental damage %, elemental damage raw, and then % and raw for every individual element too we dont need more stat bloat

[shell silo]

maybe the solution to this high dps meta is to decrease the cps cap once again

[patent cove]

any lower would feel really shit icl

[finite prism]

I still dont know how half these stats sffect my dm

[grim nova]

6 cps cap

[shell silo]

8 cps i would say

[sweet marlin]

1 cps cap

[dim pivot]

WE NEED SPELLS THAT SCALE OFF OF SPRINT REGEN

[finite prism]

Dmg

[grim nova]

We need more melee range%

[dim pivot]

yes!!!

[sweet marlin]

wind related could use sprint/sprint regen hybrid scale

[shell silo]

spells consume sprint to deal more damage

[finite prism]

Melee range isnt that bad tbh

[patent cove]

literally all of them are the same thing they just affect in slightly different ways, like its so unnecessarily bloated

[finite prism]

Its just melee is dogshit 👎👎

[sweet marlin]

the thing is they all work the same

[velvet rampart]

Same

[grim nova]

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[patent cove]

youre not getting ad scaling on abilities vro

[dim pivot]

raw ele is such a convoluted stat for how incredibly simple it is

[shell silo]

melee bad because at has no melee

[finite prism]

Wow dude this item has 56% thorns 5% reflection 80% elemental defenses lets go!

[sweet marlin]

thorns and reflection capped*

[velvet rampart]

I still have no idea how damage works in wynn icl

My weapon does earth but my spell does 100% neutral and 20% water?

[shell silo]

nulli 🤤

[sweet marlin]

i believe a lot of CT doesn't neither, i remember that every time they touch something, builds break

hana...

[patent cove]

its more complex than this but basically base damage + damage modifiers (% spell is additive not multiplicative) x spell multipliers, x master modifers x str x dex

thats allyou need to know to basically understand how damage works tbh

[dim pivot]

whats a master modifier

[velvet rampart]

Doesn't base damage go up with tdrop?

[patent cove]

something like corrupted or winded

[dim pivot]

ohh

[grim nova]

Oh

[velvet rampart]

So should I tdrop my reso a lil bit to get more damage or what

[languid prism]

wtf no

[patent cove]

no base damage is calculated seperate from attack damage, it is your weapons dps considering raw x attack speed

[languid prism]

if it did tstack epoch would be the best spell bow

[dim pivot]

i think it used to consider +atk spd tiers before

[sweet marlin]

heavy spell epoch

[velvet rampart]

How does raw spell fit in

[languid prism]

abridged the formula is like (base x spell% + raw) * multiplicative stuff

[sweet marlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779773227613945866/1344478828197576764/togif.gif

[patent cove]

raw spell and spell % are the same thing its just raw spell is directly applied to that bundle and % first takes its % from your base then becomes a raw value, this is why raw is better on mage and warrior and % is better on the rest,

so alka has a base dps of around 680 iirc, a spell damage tome is + 73 damage a spell% tome is + 10%, 10% of 680 is 68 so raw spell is slightly better, on immo with a base dps of 950ish 10% is 95 so % is better

[velvet rampart]

Wait so should I switch my raw spell cr to %

On reso

[patent cove]

yes shaman has some of the best % iscaling n the game

[velvet rampart]

I'll get back to cooking ig

[remote peak]

Wow this sure is an argument

[velvet rampart]

Maybe I can finally break 2mil damage per screenshot

[shell silo]

usually warrior and mage are better for raw spell, while archer assassin and shaman are better for %

[patent cove]

also one thing worth mentioning is that theres no diminishing returns for damage modifiers, raw spell will always be better on mage even if you have like 10k raw spell and 0 %, you dont need to diversify

[velvet rampart]

Why tho

[patent cove]

cause raw spell and % are basically the same thing % just gives you raw based off base damage

[languid prism]

mage and warrior weapons have really low base comparatively

[sweet marlin]

base dmg of wands is low

[patent cove]

ppl think having like 50% wd 50% sd is better than 100% sd when its like basically the same thing

(unless your weapon does split damage or ur using an ability with damage conversion)

[shell silo]

fluid healing 🤓

[velvet rampart]

I mean reso does earth and water but aura does air

[sweet marlin]

so because is low, having a wand with 400 base damage have 100% spell dmg would result in 800 spell dmg

[patent cove]

just to spite you i was talking specifically about archer

[sweet marlin]

fluid healing for ignis when?

[patent cove]

% considers all so it doesnt rlly matter

[shell silo]

archer should get fluid healing fr.... (no heal spells)

[sweet marlin]

a mythic bow that make traps heal the player (MiD), considering base dps rather than HP

[velvet rampart]

So should I stack wd% because reso does water or because BS does 20% water

[patent cove]

stack spell % because if you only get WD you wont modify the earth damage at all and youll only be at like 50% effectiveness

[languid prism]

spell is usually better unless ur weapon does all one type of damage

[patent cove]

any water damage u get is just a bonus

[shell silo]

spell% is better than elemental%, but elemental % is more common and abundant

[languid prism]

but even then optimizing damage to that level is mostly trial and error

[patent cove]

yeah it mostly just comes down to what items will let you get atp

[velvet rampart]

So I should care more about my weapon elemental damage type instead of my spell elemental damage type?

[restive zodiac]

low skill floor and high skill celling can coexist u know?

[patent cove]

yeah

[sweet marlin]

yes

[languid prism]

when in doubt stack spell damage, when spell damage fails you stack str/dex

[restive zodiac]

so whats ur point

[finite prism]

You can tell theres a skill gap in this game by witnessing the specimens from pfinder

[sweet marlin]

its not the case for wynncraft

[languid prism]

any elemental damage you get along the way is a bonus

[patent cove]

or stack all 3 because you have a bunch of RoR rings in your bank

[languid prism]

real

[sweet marlin]

.

[restive zodiac]

it is

skill gap is big enough for casual players to enjoy the game without tryharding and for experienced players to greately outperform other ppl

[sweet marlin]

is not big enough

[velvet rampart]

Alr that's what I been doing

[languid prism]

" there is no point by going 4 fallen that die the instant they get to the boss without doing dmg "

[sweet marlin]

yeah, those 4 fallen are low skilled players, not even mid

[finite prism]

I think etw is a decent example of skill expression in this game

[patent cove]

youre a troll dude, my friend played with me for the first time in 3 years on lb, i played fallen, i did 26mil every boss and he did barely anything, explain that in a way oither than skill expression LOL

[finite prism]

If you werent able to kill the boss in 4 seconds that is

[sweet marlin]

like i said before " i never said fallen wasn't harder, but is like in LoL comparing Silver IV with Silver III skills"

[sweet marlin]

read my last message

[restive zodiac]

i think skill expression is perfectly fine in wynn
u can play completely casually and we relevant in parties
or u can tryhard and see a significant difference (idk if significant enough to be sattisfying im dogwater at this game)

[sweet marlin]

yeah is fine, but is not high, which is a good thing

a high skill ceiling will just make casual players less interested in playing the game

[patent cove]

dude were talking about a difference of like 10x damage that is a fucking insane agency difference for skill expression

[sweet marlin]

more dmg ≠ more skill

more dmg in the same build = more skill

[restive zodiac]

not rly its not a bad thing
being good should give you an advantage

[patent cove]

more skill = ability to run squishier builds = mopre damage = more agency

[velvet rampart]

You're confusing that with skill floor

It's not required to be cracked to play the game

[sweet marlin]

it can be, remember when annie gave good rewards for solo players and bigger parties had it harder?

[velvet rampart]

Anni is fucked in so many ways I dont that criticism is valid

[shell silo]

skill floor: the amount of skill you need to play a specific playstyle
skill ceiling: the amount of skill you need to perform perfectly with a specific playstyle

[sweet marlin]

both are low in wynncraft

you don't require a lot of skills to play wynncraft and you don't need a lot of time to perform good in every playstyle

[restive zodiac]

idt u played this game enough

[finite prism]

The skill in anni is not lagging 2 minites behind

[shell silo]

have you seen altersurf, reso shatter, etw fallen, rage gma or even sharpshooter?

[sweet marlin]

i have played reso shatter, etw fallen and rage gma

is not that dificult

[restive zodiac]

go do no hit nol or li mr wynn has low skill celling

[sweet marlin]

i don't like those playstyles because i have not that much fun, not because they are dificult

i play healers in games, so i play lament

[velvet rampart]

Show me your ETW reso gameplay

[sweet marlin]

.

[patent cove]

https://wynncraft.com/stats/player/kevix012

you are LYING OUT YOUR ASS you have all your hours on mage

[sweet marlin]

with other accounts

i have played with other accounts, why you think i have a lot of blank spaces

have you think about why i have played since 2014 but i only play mage?

[patent cove]

probably because you dont know what youre talking about and only play rainbow lb x.x

[sweet marlin]

probably bc i like healers in games

[patent cove]

my point exactly

[sweet marlin]

.

i never said i didn't only play lament

[restive zodiac]

lament main talking about skill expression is uh

[patent cove]

youre allowed to play lament only, you are not allowed to play lament only and then go say other things are or arent hard when you have literally 0 experience with them

[sweet marlin]

.

[languid prism]

.

[neat elk]

honestly I never have seen people camp on pillars

[patent cove]

why do you think you are at all qualified to talk about the skill expression of other classes then

[sweet marlin]

yeah, i have tried, but i don't have as much fun

[neat elk]

lol you were doing this with tcc too

[patent cove]

real like its literally not even worth it

[sweet marlin]

yeah, is fun

[restive zodiac]

having said that im almost a lament main :3

[neat elk]

you were literally saying tcc didn’t force you to move horizontally bc you can tank all attacks

[sweet marlin]

sometimes, not always

[neat elk]

as if it’s universally true

[sweet marlin]

i like lament bc i like water related elements in games and agressive healers, not because of skill

i play lament in every posible game, as an autistic i tend to stick to one gamestyle

[neat elk]

yes but of course lament lightbenders can camp on pillars, it's the only class I could see realistically doing it

[patent cove]

bloodshatter is objectively diffiuclt it has strict timings, extremely punishing mistakes, a diffuclt spell cycle, and requires active thought, you could not have played it for like 10 seconds and been good enough you got bored the likely case is youre either lying out your ass or touched it on your friends account for 3 seconds and then realized it was too hard and never tried again

[sweet marlin]

also guardian could

and abso

tecnically hadal in some builds

[patent cove]

these are not classes that can complete the content in a reasonable ammount of time!

[sweet marlin]

but like, going hadal in TNA is not that much common

[sweet marlin]

what is a reasonable ammount of time for you?

[patent cove]

it doesnt matter what my subjective opinion is, objectively full support and full tank builds do shit damage and will take substantially longer than a build that cant crutch on ehp and heals for watched

[restive zodiac]

guardian is a troll weapon what are u talking about

[sweet marlin]

guardian is really fun

not as fun as lament, but still fun

[restive zodiac]

it does 20 dps on a good day and provides 0 value to your party

[patent cove]

https://wynncraft.com/stats/player/kevix012 you dont even own a warrior dude how would you know

[sweet marlin]

glue builds

[neat elk]

you keep saying things are "problems" with the game when in reality you just cheese them with massive tankiness/heals lol

[patent cove]

like this guy would have us believe he plays more on other accounts than his main atp

[restive zodiac]

lol

[neat elk]

you said you could stand in the middle of tcc's blue beam and tank attacks at the same time without dying too as a reason that tcc doesn't do enough

[patent cove]

and is just naturally talented at every difficult playstyle to the point it comes so easily he cant tell the difference between burst fallen and glue

[sweet marlin]

yeah, is a reason

[sweet marlin]

no im not talented, im just an average player

[neat elk]

ok but all you play is one of the literal tankiest builds in the game...

you say tcc doesn't force horizontal mobility as if everyone just sits there and tanks hits

[restive zodiac]

as a support main and a winded slave in my guild captains basement i can comfortably say that u have no real experience outside of spamming heal

[sweet marlin]

lament is not that much tank, is not monster/abso/inferno/guardian

[neat elk]

it is effectively tanking with the amount of healing

you are literally sitting there and absorbing attacks, you are tanking

[restive zodiac]

ur immortal as long as u don’t get 1 tapped so whats ur point

[neat elk]

sitting right next to a boss, not avoiding any attacks, and relying on your healing to survive every single attack is just tanking lol

[sweet marlin]

sometimes i play like that yeah, but not always, i like variety

i have a lot of builds for lament

[neat elk]

you literally said that tcc doesn't force horizontal mobility though, that's untrue for a lot of lament builds

[dim pivot]

what are the IGNs of the other accounts you play your other builds on

[sweet marlin]

you can tp up to avoid red attack

[patent cove]

is this bloodshatter ETW alt account in the room with us right now?

[dim pivot]

also isnt using other accounts like massively inhibiting your strength because you dont share aspects on them

[sweet marlin]

and not move

[ripe plover]

gamebreaking ragebait im reading from hami 🔥

[neat elk]

fr it feels that way

I do not believe hami plays wynncraft on other accounts

[sweet marlin]

with the fabled bracelet from ROL you avoid fall dmg so you can tp up 5-10 times

[shell silo]

without proof we cannot believe

[sweet marlin]

but i like fall dmg bc it can proc other LB nodes

[patent cove]

D1 RAGEBAIT!

[restive zodiac]

this has to be troll

[patent cove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205990758348230666/1295568791706669066/attachment.gif

[sweet marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-dissapointed-meme-black-guy-spongebob-violin-gif-3103058475544609988

[dim pivot]

@sweet marlin

[sweet marlin]

why would you like those?

[dim pivot]

im curious to see the hours u played on the builds ur talking about

cuz it's physically impossible to take your skill ceiling argument seriously when the only proof of you playing is on rainbow lament lightbender

literally one of the easiest things to play in the entire game

[sweet marlin]

but is funny to play it

[dim pivot]

ok but that has literally nothign to do with the argument

like you're saying all the classes i listed earlier have very low skill ceilings depsite you having 0 proof that you've even touched them in your life before

[sweet marlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237968076868292718/1277664281147478076/togif.gif

[dim pivot]

in fact you're confident enough to say that all of those classes can be mastered within a month tops 💀

[patent cove]

was it really ragebait the whole time

[dim pivot]

oh so it was bait lol

[sweet marlin]

i love spreading missinformation

[sweet marlin]

maybe not

[dim pivot]

.

[sweet marlin]

but yeah, keep it that way, those playstyles are strong, nerf those things who do 2 million dps

[dim pivot]

LIKE HALF OF THE PLAYSTYLES I MENTIONED ARE CONSIDERED TO BE SO GARBAGE BY LIKE LITERALLY EVERYONE 😭

acro is still quite weak unless extremely optimized by nirvana and nirvana alone
sharp is abhorrently garbage. even moreso for how much effort it takes to play spellsharp
battlemonk is also not worth the effort it takes to master

[sweet marlin]

have you tried cata builds?

bmonk is trash i agree

[dim pivot]

depends on which

even then you'd also need to highly rely on optimized builds for cata to work because of how much mana you have to put into the build

[sweet marlin]

consus for mana regen are cheap

[restive zodiac]

ummmmm actually morph oblivion is meta 🤓 go watch the wintel video!!!!!!

[dim pivot]

aint no way we are gauging balance around fucking consus dude 💀

[sweet marlin]

craft them

[restive zodiac]

????

[dim pivot]

if we're doing that then every build in the game is extremely strong dude

consus have 0 merit do the strength of a build

[sweet marlin]

yeah, but why not trying it?

[dim pivot]

because im not a pussy and make my builds properly ❓

[restive zodiac]

i feel like i’m in a hsb discord rn

[patent cove]

me when i just use full anni consus for damage and build full tank so now monster lb does 500k

[sweet marlin]

🔥

[sweet marlin]

then go depressing builds

[dim pivot]

if cata relies on mana consus to exist then is has 0 merit in its strength

[patent cove]

i hope you know this only makes your argument look even worse

[dim pivot]

in fact that should go to say how weak it is because you need these outside factors in order for it to work

like is it really valid to say "oh but i have 17 Invigorating Wave shamans constantly spamming aura on me so in practice this build actually sustains!"

like no that has no merit

[patent cove]

i think the term to describe it is terribly balanced, its either borderline useless without consus or broken as shit with

[languid prism]

the nol with nabbywad experience

[dim pivot]

true

[dim pivot]

lol yeah

[sweet marlin]

i like using consus for some playstyles, like -hpr with lament is fun

glass cannon

[neat elk]

ok I mean this is clearly bait lol

[dim pivot]

you can enjoy using them but in no way should they be considered when seeing how strong a build is

[patent cove]

no way youre going to try to argue -hpr consus for lament and mana regen consus that literally let your build function at a basic level are remotely comparable in utility

[sweet marlin]

i never said it should be strong

[neat elk]

and yet you vehemently claim tcc doesnt force horizontal mobility

[restive zodiac]

why tf are we even taking fun factor into consideration

[dim pivot]

then what does this even mean 💀

like were you just asking this with no context to me saying acro wasnt great

[neat elk]

nirv is still better than cata lol

[sweet marlin]

why taking fun into consideration for a game that's suposed to be fun?

[dim pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1347903444689620993/1349496511536562277/togif-1.gif?ex=67d35010&is=67d1fe90&hm=aa5818e266c4e9446e268d19731f837b79a7ce361fa5827a448d1f66da10c7da&

[restive zodiac]

skill expression has nothing to do with fun factor

[sweet marlin]

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[dim pivot]

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[sweet marlin]

yes

[restive zodiac]

so why keep bringing it up?

[sweet marlin]

agree

[dim pivot]

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https://tenor.com/view/genius-life-hack-life-hacks-smart-big-brain-gif-22910091

[sweet marlin]

myocin 💘

[dim pivot]

my fault

[neat elk]

ok so you were lying about playing stuff other than mage right?

[sweet marlin]

yeah you could say that

[dim pivot]

bro 💀

yeah so im never talking to you again high key

[sweet marlin]

im a low skilled player

[neat elk]

the refusal to give a straight answer makes it so obvious

lying about having experience in a part of the game you do not is not helpful for the game

[restive zodiac]

dw we can tell

[sweet marlin]

i just love healers in everygame 1.5 Million mastery with Janna and c6r5 baizhu

[restive zodiac]

what

[neat elk]

hami no one is questioning your love of healers...

but you literally lied about having other classes to act like you were credible in any way

It was always obvious that you only play lb lol, especially with the stuff about tcc you said

[patent cove]

nah im firmly in the laggards bro i just played cuphead like a week ago

[dim pivot]

yeah wasting people's time like this is really uncool when people are just trying to actually discuss stuff about the game and you just lie for fun 💀

[restive zodiac]

yeah bro let me face tank gtcc on my OP morph the nothing lb build

[patent cove]

OP morph build. I will carry tcc pfinder, i will do no dps, i will not give runes

[sweet marlin]

I mean, no one will believe me, i have played other things, but is easier to say that i don't

[restive zodiac]

clearly not enough with the type of shit ur saying

[dim pivot]

?? this is literally just contradicting yourself from earlier

like can you be genuine in anything you say please 💀

[restive zodiac]

doubt

[neat elk]

the changes you have proposed for both tna and tcc throughout this thread clearly indicate all you do is sit there and tank

you claimed people sit in tna pillars and suggested nerfing max mana to prevent it as if ppl actually do it (only viable on lb)

you clearly just tank tcc

[sweet marlin]

people can sit on TNA*

[random nest]

WHAT?

[neat elk]

stop lying lol, it helps no one

[restive zodiac]

that’s lowkey best take of 2025 so far

[neat elk]

lol stop avoiding it

[random nest]

i can confirm, im a lb player and i do that

[neat elk]

you're clearly lying about playing other stuff

[restive zodiac]

that’s only lb

and teleporting/dashing/whatever away isn’t even hard

[random nest]

it isn't

[neat elk]

no one is gaining anything from you lying about this lol

[restive zodiac]

fr

[sweet marlin]

im not lying about players having the chance of sitting

[random nest]

fallen can probably do it for like 1 pillar at most

[sweet marlin]

neither did i lie about TCC tank

if i can do it, is because of that, don't you think?

[dim pivot]

if you sprinkle truth between an avalanche of lies nobody is going to take you seriously even if you do tell the truth about your honest opinion

[neat elk]

You alone suggested to a cteam member that tanking tna pillars was a common strategy, and got them to change part of the game bc of it

[bitter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[dim pivot]

lumi jumpscare

[sweet marlin]

yes, is a common strategy

[random nest]

just a week away

[random nest]

Im literally the only person i know that ever did that

[sweet marlin]

non-meta strategies exist

[bitter palm]

i havnt changed it

all i did was add a warning text line so far

[languid prism]

tbh i was under the impression that if you stood in the obelisk you were evaporated by the slime

[sweet marlin]

not everyone plays 4 dps builds and i said about my personal experience

and most cases where i was in a raid

[neat elk]

only one archetype does it and it is the intended tanky healer archetype

[neat elk]

LOL

[sweet marlin]

acolyte can do it too, i said before

[dim pivot]

even if this was the case, so few people will actually try to facetank the watched beams. you can't say it's a "common strategy" when so few people actually do it in practice

[neat elk]

never seen one do it but why bother

I also sincerely doubt every aco build could do this

[random nest]

https://tenor.com/view/speak-gif-9578947274896178319

[languid prism]

acolyte also just has blood connection theres no reason to tank it

[neat elk]

nah fr idk why im even bothering

[sweet marlin]

yes, just like LB has no reason to tank it

i do it sometimes bc is fun

[random nest]

fr

[dim pivot]

SO WHYRE YOU SAYING ITS A COMMON STRATEGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[neat elk]

it is not COMMON

[dim pivot]

please make any sense i am begging you

[random nest]

because lying is fun!

[neat elk]

in fact many lightbender builds do not tank pillars bc they cannot

[languid prism]

you do it because its fun, i do it to put myself to 51% corrupt we are not the same

[neat elk]

there have been glassy lb builds since tna lol, even within the one archetype that does this strat many people do not

[random nest]

yeah my old one was able to, but my new one can't if it gets skulled

[sweet marlin]

my problem comes where you cannot understand that not everything revolves around meta, sometimes ppl just do thing bc of fun

[neat elk]

stop deflecting

[random nest]

ad homenem

[sweet marlin]

...

[neat elk]

off meta builds do not tank tna pillars either

[dim pivot]

pure bullshit

[patent cove]

tanking watched beam because its fun isnt an issue though, your argument is stupid

[dim pivot]

just absolute complete bullshit 💀

[random nest]

Hasty Generalization

[sweet marlin]

it is, ask my guildmates

[velvet rampart]

Can't believe I wasted my lunch break on this thread

[ripe plover]

what was the original thread about, i forgot

[dim pivot]

proffing or something

[patent cove]

bro your guild is not tanking watched beam! the builds you mentioned will get oneshot! you are lying!

[sweet marlin]

stuff to implement for Graids

[ripe plover]

right lets add prof nodes to nol intermission rooms for graid

[patent cove]

genius!

[neat elk]

I wasted so much more time, hami was giving bad takes a few days ago too

[random nest]

Okay now we are getting somewhere

[sweet marlin]

but yeah im not talking here anymore, thanks for reporting me for saying that something is done bc is fun

[neat elk]

yeah force those "for fun players" to prof!

[random nest]

honestly for english majors this is good practice on recognizing this stuff, made this thread more fun https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/academic_writing/logic_in_argumentative_writing/fallacies.html

[neat elk]

you keep straw manning us

no one reported you for "saying that something is done bc is fun" if anyone even reported you

[patent cove]

whats the name for the fallacy where you attempt to make the question sound absurd by forcing stupid definitions

[languid prism]

i think its absurdity

[random nest]

his arguements seemed very Ad populum/Bandwagon Appeal to me

[languid prism]

idk about the latin name tho i havent studied this shit in ages

[dim pivot]

i did, was tired of this moron wasting everyone's time over lying for fun/ragebaiting

if they continue these kinds of arguments i will continue to report them

and hopefully they will have the esteemed privilege of having

[random nest]

me neither, but its fun to look up logical fallacies and see them in person

[dim pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036586382233194496/1333425030503202826/ezgif-499d494334b63.gif

[languid prism]

feedback muted% wr??

[random nest]

slippery slope too, as he saw people face tank tna beam, therefore we should buff the beam before everyone starts just facetaking the beam

[patent cove]

like this shit "fallen cant be hard because wynncraft isnt hard even if its porportionately harder than other class" what fallacy is this

reductio ad absurdum gg

[restive zodiac]

you’re welcome ❤️

[neat elk]

oh yeah I fully agree with that

I wasted part of my saturday arguing with hami too

[velvet rampart]

[neat elk]

LOL

[patent cove]

how is this a better argument than that guy was able to make the whole time

[languid prism]

i mean there is a world where he's right

[patent cove]

ok what the fuck is that

[neat elk]

these stats kill me lol

[dim pivot]

wh-...

[patent cove]

bro these stats are SO BAD

[dim pivot]

literally all of these are incorrect

[patent cove]

whoever made this did NOT cook

[dim pivot]

1 dif 1 dmg 3 def 2 range 1 spd at best

0 diff actually

[neat elk]

istg lb has less range than arcanist

[dim pivot]

i mean without tstorm arcanist can shoot from extremely far

[patent cove]

it does arcanist range w/ arcane power is fucking hilarious

[dim pivot]

i have no clue why the rang is 3 on that though

[patent cove]

my favourite thing is to just spam meteor from across the map on warpcanist if i have someone else to stack winded

[patent cove]

this shit will never not be funny

[velvet rampart]

Always cracks me up ong

"Jack of all trades master of none"

[languid prism]

sounds like ur a trapper fan

[patent cove]

how does trapper even have a difficulty bar

[dim pivot]

they really just made shit up with these

[patent cove]

feels like ai

[languid prism]

i mean trapper is hard when you're not laby

well not hard but not 0 difficulty

[velvet rampart]

Aco has the same speed as acro btw

[neat elk]

LOLLL

[languid prism]

i think them all having 2 defense is wild

[neat elk]

is the contact staff channel for discord or ingame reports?

[dim pivot]

i just DM for this

[neat elk]

makes sense, I used report a player and screenshotted stuff

Anyways does anyone actually have suggestions for guild raid changes lol

[velvet rampart]

Suggestions aren't allowed ‼️

[grim nova]

Add mat cat (pre-nerf) to every room

[restive zodiac]

they should require a iq check while joining this discord

[bitter palm]

I passed my IQ test with a B!! I got an 82 on it

thats pretty good