Serious Talk on Changelog

[proper fiber]

if you question fallen nerfs you have not seen what fallen can do at peak performance

[short depot]

^^^^ i am going to be the 2nd leaderboard raid player to tell you fallen nerf is completely deserved and lenient at that

[sacred fractal]

glazing lightbender in 2025 is crazy

[proper fiber]

i just read this too lol. wtf is this post

[queen sluice]

upperscreamers getting top 1 dmg in the game with a 16 block radius = high risk btw

[short depot]

3rd within a matter of minutes gg

shoutout to the randomly capitalized HOW TO PLAY ACROBAT in this, really sells it

[compact pilot]

Are we reading the same changelogs as them 😭

[short depot]

reading the same change logs yes, playing the same game no, anyone who thinks fallen nerf isnt justified but lightbender is a top dps option should be immediately banned from feedback posting icl

[compact pilot]

I think they forgot upperscream exists

[short depot]

and bashcut tbh, regular fallen is plenty strong

[queen sluice]

upperscream is a playstyle forged by satan

[leaden root]

we bringing back foxxo posts with this one

[compact pilot]

Bash cut is lower range so it’s a bit better

[queen sluice]

half moon range is still a little crazy imo

[hearty kernel]

Is the light bender doing more DPS than DPS classes in the room with us right now

[short depot]

they feel the same icl i took off half moon cause its a big damage loss w/ rage scaling and i cant tell the difference

[weak haven]

Im going to be the 4th lb raider to say that fallen nerf is 100% deserved

[short depot]

4th atom alr beat u to it

[fallen elbow]

is this ragevait

[compact pilot]

I’m just a fallen hater so it’s deserved

[fallen elbow]

fallen can walk into rooms and 1 x shout mobs 😭😭

[short depot]

it probably is but getting a freebie nobody will argue with you about for bashing is kinda fun every once in awhile as a treat

[crisp summit]

this bait fs

[weak haven]

The risk in fallen is pressing rrr instead of rrl and killing urself instantly

[untold anvil]

is this a troll tread? probably not but uhh... very much opposite opinion of most players

[compact pilot]

What do they mean by the acrobat changes nothing has made it worse except the stomp change

How is it lower skill now

[untold anvil]

although 0 post from OP suggests that this is a troll/bait post

[weak haven]

Acro is a whole other bag of shit not worth getting into

[short depot]

accessibility is a bad thing to them i guess? also its lower skill allegedly even though we dont know how it will play

[compact pilot]

He did not complain about matcat what does this mean

[prime fog]

I am seriously worried about wynn ct’s capability to do balancing.

[copper oak]

Broken Balance

[stone saddle]

while this may seem like a poorly worded post, i unforunately agree with many of his sentiments

[humble lagoon]

2025 still say lightbender do more than dps clasd

[warm folio]

Do I count :)))))

Leaderboard on the easiest raid to lb

[abstract adder]

can we nerf shadestepper

[weak haven]

nol pf would say otherwise

[warm folio]

ive accepted this arch needs a nerf like 4 months ago but people would have called me crazy

[abstract adder]

ive been saying this arch needs a nerf for 4 months

[short depot]

needs a rework tbh 332 cycle is really stupid but your damage is honestly kinda low if you play properly

[abstract adder]

~~and shot everybody who called me crazy ~~

[warm folio]

though clone ehp removal is coming so 🙏

[digital bronze]

shadestepper kinda crazy tho (nirvana)

[short depot]

also uh yeah prolly

[digital bronze]

they should make heavy spell good instead of nerfing shade maybe make 332 worse somehow idk]

[warm folio]

ok i will be the 5th lber to say fallen nerf is justified

[digital bronze]

heavy spell just bad

[short depot]

huge!

[prime fog]

i think. if u want to talk about fallen nerf

at least do it like the other thread which is more nuanced about it

[abstract adder]

6th but i dont like how it was nerfed 🤷

[calm hollow]

fallen nerf is fine - fallen main

[topaz charm]

how is lightbender dps an issue

[weak haven]

Yeah shade could prolly be nerfed idt anything major should be changed on it till after trickster and acro are on a more secure foundation tho just to make sure it lines up with everything else

[copper oak]

the shade nerf is reduce the cps cap to 8cps

[rotund kraken]

• serious talk
• dont talk serious

[hearty condor]

fr

I am not going to lie i think this user does NOT understand powercreep and the issues of it

[rotund kraken]

i didnt read it too long didnt read

[hearty condor]

tldr:
wahhhh fallen nerf bad
erm acro should be high skill to play 🤓
lightbender complaint #178437856923
add more powercreep

[short depot]

jokes on him they already found a reference class its just not fallen

[rotund kraken]

fallen nerf bad? that shit is deserved 😭

[hearty condor]

exactly lmfao

[rotund kraken]

me when my class cant burst 1 baguillion dps with low effort setup

[hearty condor]

they say it is "currently in a perfectly fine position... Is it too broke? Absolutely no, is it too weak? No, so why does fallen need a change now"

lmfaoo

[slow knot]

It's enraged blowver 😔

[hearty condor]

i am not going to lie this guy is probably playing like

[short depot]

"we launched a thorough investigation into ourselves and found no wrongdoing" ahh post

[hearty condor]

morph fallen and being like

this damage is pretty mid! why is it being nerfed!

[hearty condor]

😭

[mystic fable]

tbf its the best point out of the three

[topaz charm]

lightbender dps isnt even good bro

[short depot]

u needa make up your mind is it doing 500k or not buddy 🙄

[topaz charm]

i say it does good to make me feel better
but its just so fake (except tcc)

[short depot]

we heard it here first lb dps is fake

[wet sedge]

tgis is the best thread i have ever read

[vivid echo]

It isnt even the lb dps its just fortitude

[topaz charm]

literally the only thing we lightbenders have in this fallen meta pls dont take it away from us

[vivid echo]

Dont worry you guys have sunflare the 5 mana regen goes off

[topaz charm]

i dont run sunflare im 30w usually

[short depot]

dont you know fallen is dying next patch bro its over

[vivid echo]

Oh

[short depot]

the sky is falling! the sky is falling!

[topaz charm]

sunflare bad for fallen anyway

can ruin their bpact

[vivid echo]

Tbh u might get replaced by aco ngl

[river tiger]

I would like for Burst Fallen to not reap the sins of Upperscream

[short depot]

tbh yeah ideally just warscream got hit but w/e

[river tiger]

The Caesura + Ragna nerf makes it hit less than 700K burst

[topaz charm]

please no

[short depot]

ok this isnt true but it is kinda sad how many times the non problematic fallen is getting hit

[river tiger]

The conceptualized blood pact change still hasn't arrived :I

[vivid echo]

Its so likely now with the 20% vulnerable and strength and aco sort of having damage

[calm hollow]

It's just a big mess since

[river tiger]

Burst Alka I meant

From 0 corrupted

[calm hollow]

Battlemonk when they nerf air shout and iron lungs:

[river tiger]

Already tried it, thing can barely glaze 700K

[calm hollow]

It's not an easy solution

[river tiger]

What build is that

[short depot]

this is on bb cuh

[vivid echo]

I love damage per screenshot

[river tiger]

Buh

[short depot]

were talking about peaks

[vivid echo]

Oh mb

[river tiger]

How is bloodbath outdmging alka pfft

[short depot]

it shouldnt be

[river tiger]

Is it just bash upper x3

[prime fog]

idk. that seems pretty bad

[short depot]

youre so right can we get fallen buffs please? im gonna go complain in ask ims now

[river tiger]

Can you consistently hit that number

Or is it just some crit fortune

[short depot]

i got fucking insanely lucky with crits apparently

[summer gale]

foxxochan alt is wilding

[river tiger]

Yeah so

Why not make blood pact have increased damage depending on how much you spend vs full hp

[short depot]

this is about what ive been getting consistant

granted bb is lower base than alka and has split damage so it doesnt get as much from rage

[river tiger]

Seems about right.

[short depot]

alka should totally be doing 700 and tcrack more than that

[river tiger]

I was trying to melee here and there so maybe that's whyh

[short depot]

that might do it yeah

[upbeat summit]

This is truly a post

[fair crane]

Blud dosent even mention the acolyte change

[chrome mauve]

I agree that fallen is really strong in it's state right now, the nerf was needed

[short depot]

ok ykw im gonna be honest fallen burst rlly does not deserve the nerf

[river tiger]

Burst Fallen was alright

[topaz charm]

its all stupid warscreams fault

[upbeat summit]

Sustained fallen needed it way more

[river tiger]

Yeah idk why they didn't touch blood pact

[upbeat summit]

This nerf doesnt really do that much tbh

[compact pilot]

How to nerf war scream without killing bmonk even more tho

[short depot]

thinking about it rn like 20% off this is really gonna hurt, scream icl can rot in hell but full sustain builds like hero and alka and true burst like bbath really dont deserve it

[upbeat summit]

Bloodbath stays losing

[lime nexus]

someone tell me if the current state of lightbender can even out dps/burst the current state of fallen
and which lightbender build is even doing that 😭

[topaz charm]

bmonk getting nerfed is the norm now people wont even bat an eye

[short depot]

give me 20 minutes to crit farm, some anni consus, and a winded stacker

[river tiger]

Make bpact's damage determined by how much health you spent.

[topaz charm]

no not even close

[lime nexus]

ok but how much dps fallen already done with 20 minutes

[short depot]

does he know

[vivid echo]

Put the dmg lost from war scream nerfs into other bmonk nodes that are harder to access maybe

[steady violet]

War scream: blocks: corrupted

[short depot]

ok what the fuck im getting like 550 on some bad rolls this is kinda insane

[steady violet]

🗣️🔥

[compact pilot]

U mean airshout

But he is cooking!

[steady violet]

my skill issue cause me to deal 550 only but from.others experience i can say they deal 900

[next warren]

Can we buff epoch give it two more arrows please thansk

[compact pilot]

Thunderclap ig? No one uses max uppercut for dmg

On bmonk

[vivid echo]

Yea either thunderclap or just discombob/ give generalist dmg boost for the free spell

[topaz charm]

discom

the bmonk ability that keeps getting killed

[compact pilot]

Buff bloodbath too ❤️

[short depot]

ok funny bb build is still like 700 this patch

[steady violet]

the patch haven't come out i think

[short depot]

i think it may just be up in the air whether or not its a good change, bows post is pretty correct though imo

[short depot]

i mean currently

[short depot]

bbgen build + tree prolly does like 900 peak if u crit fish i was on upperbash tree though, rage tcrack does like close to 800 peak anything higher than that is either extreme crit fishing or damage per screenshot lowk

[nova hawk]

I haven’t even read your entire post but just know feedback that attacks instead of evaluates are not a good way to start a post

[unkempt mantle]

what is your opinion on the Shaman changes

[stone saddle]

Notice how there has been shaman adjustments almost every changelog since 4 months ago. And notice how nobody plays it still

[unkempt mantle]

Same with acro

[stone saddle]

Idk man theyre just not helping archetypes that need help

[short depot]

if nobody is playing it clearly it needs help, also completely wrong many people play it myself included

[unkempt mantle]

I think acolyte needed some help tbh

Terminated said that the Rift rework is in the future and a fairly big undertaking

[short depot]

its getting the rework this week then its confirmed getting a lashing fix and blood donation

should put it in a good spot, summon is a great class as is rn and ritu is serviceable as a supplement for now

[stone saddle]

its always these large sweeping changes where they change 10 nodes and completely destroys the skill tree and hoping it lands right with the players. Instead of small incremental buffs across time

[short depot]

ok this guy is just schizoposting like dracula flow

[unkempt mantle]

what if they did it in the beta first

[stone saddle]

my point

[unkempt mantle]

todays patch notes look good but im still not holding my breath on it

it wont be fully fixed until blood donation is added

and even then itll completely change the reso playstyle

[stone saddle]

Like whats the point of paying a donor rank for beta access when they dont even gotta use it to get feedback first

[short depot]

agreed but its in the right direction, also abso will be really good lol, overhealth, insane aoe heal, tank, damage, and 20% damage vulnerability to boss is a wild combo

[unkempt mantle]

Just wait for the Fruma beta

[unkempt mantle]

noo! you cant play tank shaman its unintended :[

[short depot]

wuh

[unkempt mantle]

nothin lmao

ill go back to aco schizoposting in my private channels

(google doc)

[topaz charm]

should be able to compete in terms of support with lightbender which is nice

[short depot]

bro got the incomprehensible ravings of cthulu in his ear

[short depot]

fortitude is still too op and totem sucks balls to play around with randoms so lb will still be miles better imo im interested for graid tho

[short depot]

bros playing constructive feedback solitaire

[topaz charm]

i hope instead of nerfing lb dmg with rift rework they just nerf fortitude, shaman could be better support of played well but lightbender more dps less skill idk

[short depot]

wait hold on

aco alr has vengeful so thats like near 100% uptime 20% damage buff + 20% weaken

that might actually be comparable

[unkempt mantle]

eh

not really because LB has no downsides or skill

[topaz charm]

ye thats what im saying with some skill depending on the uptime of the weaken it could be better if played well

[short depot]

true

[mystic fable]

i think fortitude is too broken for any of that to matter

[short depot]

cuh 100 damage x 1.2 = 120 x1.2 = 144 vs 100 damage x 1.5 = 150

factor in fortitude 33% downtime and aco is now the class with the theoretical higher damage potential

[topaz charm]

fortitude is only 33% including uptime

[mystic fable]

tcc is the only boss where uptime matters

[topaz charm]

but the vulnerability is another multiplier

[topaz charm]

this

[mystic fable]

lbs so much easier to play and move aroudn with

[short depot]

fort is a 6% better buff if you are in a party with perfect uptime

[prime fog]

are we comparing fort with ec

[short depot]

ya

[topaz charm]

ec + vengeful

[prime fog]

because i was about to say ec stacks with fort/vengeful anyway

[upbeat summit]

But ec acc comes with a downside

So idk how comparable it is to fortitude

[short depot]

yeah were comparing lb vs aco for the support role on a team since one support is usually optimal

[prime fog]

maybe

[upbeat summit]

Fortitude is literally brainrot

[short depot]

whats the downside

[prime fog]

we wont know for sure til it comes out

[upbeat summit]

Cant cast ttotem

[upbeat summit]

So is vengeful tbf

[short depot]

ya ig rlly just depends on how well your team plays around totem range

[upbeat summit]

Very innovative dmg support

[topaz charm]

rn not worth using over lb but with some tweaks to lightbender balancing i could see it as the more skill more reward option

[upbeat summit]

The support is fine the way you get it tho is literally unintrestin

[short depot]

you get overhealth and better healing with aco is the thing tho

[mystic fable]

aco is just so much more effort to play

[upbeat summit]

That is true tbf

[short depot]

theyre competitive at least

[mystic fable]

even if it was straight up better i think people would still prefer lb

and dont forget about winded for arcanists

[topaz charm]

lb is so much easier idk if that matter rn, plus overhealth can be annoying to set up. in the future tho yeah

[upbeat summit]

Lb gameplay consists of staring at a mob and using left click

[mystic fable]

as soon as you have 1 other mage in your party lb is just the obvious choice

[upbeat summit]

The occasional heal very intuitive

[topaz charm]

we cast spells too >:(

[short depot]

lb gets winded for arca aco gets overheal for fallen theyre both similar effectiveness so i didnt mention it

[upbeat summit]

Lb is acc brainrot class

[short depot]

im prolly gonna cook up a devious crabs abso reso build for the update

reso just for effective overheal or smth who knows

[compact pilot]

Hasn’t crab reso been a thing for a while

[short depot]

never seen someone use all 3 b4

[compact pilot]

It could offhand abso if u put all the remaining points into def i think

[short depot]

interesting

[mystic fable]

people have been using it since reso was released

[short depot]

gonana be real i know of like 2 reso users on the entire server

both are on the sdew build

[topaz charm]

i almost never see reso in pf atleast

[mystic fable]

also its not like fallen cant just get healed but arca is pretty much useless without winded

[rose kiln]

2/10 ragebait tbh

[short depot]

yeah arca isnt great w/o winded but winded arca and overhealed fallen do like the same thing p much, only real issue is that AB and EC take up the same thing

[compact pilot]

No galleon sdew fans 😔

[short depot]

to my complete shock and awe galleon is only like a 500 damage loss

i genuinely dont even know why sdew is what ppl use more

[topaz charm]

stardew is so much cooler

also they probaly have good stardew already

[short depot]

sdew is like unironically ten times as expensive

[compact pilot]

I have a all green dmg stats galleon so I must use it

[topaz charm]

yeah but if u have stardew already why not

[compact pilot]

My stardews are kinda mid

[topaz charm]

my stardew has green damages so

[compact pilot]

[short depot]

woah so cool

[topaz charm]

insane ik this is why they call me the goat

[compact pilot]

Less people have green galleon 😎

[topaz charm]

gambled it myself so its slightly cooler

[compact pilot]

Me too!!

[topaz charm]

ok but galleon ass for lightbender

[compact pilot]

Gaia galleon lb ❤️

[topaz charm]

galleon has - tier...

[compact pilot]

Augh I forgot

It has nice ms tho

[topaz charm]

yeah it does but stardew also gives positive sustain

[compact pilot]

Ok galleon might suck 😭

[topaz charm]

plus % on mage, whereas stardew has 400 raw...
the only reasona galleon is barely worse is because its shaman lol

[mystic fable]

galleon is ass yeah

[compact pilot]

This guy should’ve been ranting about buff galleon

[unkempt mantle]

its not a downside its a feature!

[unkempt mantle]

so does mine!!!\

[topaz charm]

raw spell?

[unkempt mantle]

[topaz charm]

are u the pyrrhic respite person idr

[short depot]

need me a pyrrhic respite with max hpr and ls and shitrolled wd and sd

[unkempt mantle]

wouldn't catch me dead in that

[topaz charm]

no the person who i was gonna ping each time i saw pyrrhic

forgot their name but ur pfp looks similar/the same

[unkempt mantle]

naw that wasnt me

[topaz charm]

bruh now i need to go thru old feedback things to find them

holy lying

[mystic fable]

rr

[compact pilot]

He is right damages implies plural and two is plural!

[topaz charm]

youre right my mistake i shouldve said full green damage stats

[silk olive]

🔥

[topaz charm]

why does nobody have stardews with good raw spell what

[mystic fable]

is this a bit better

WAIT I NEVER PUT WATER POWDERS ON IT???

[silk olive]

bad mr

[compact pilot]

So real

[topaz charm]

yeah
this is mine

[fleet root]

I do have my concerns on the ability of CT in balancing but the OP's arguments are really funny

[unkempt mantle]

Anyone else wondering how the balancing is going to work when Fruma releases and the level cap goes higher?

[fleet root]

Last patch acrobat be like: Out of the frying pan, into the fire 🔥

[last cargo]

as we all know. content team does not know what a wynncraft is.

[autumn onyx]

honestly the thing with fallen is that the nerfs dont even change it if you're at like 50% hp or something, it's only a nerf if you're below ~25% hp or so

at least that's what the notes suggest. it'd probably make more sense to make the damage scaling towards lower hp, as opposed to only nerfing the fallen taking the most risk? though I suppose you could say that being on 25% hp vs 5% hp you may be one hit from death anyway

[carmine sparrow]

we dont make changes literally just to fill some quota?? 😭 if there were no class changes needed this week there would just not have been any

[fleet root]

CT needs to pretend they care about the game by pushing irrelevant changes D:

[stark pollen]

Oh no a 15% damage nerf to my 2.1m/s burst dps

If I can instakill phase 5 cybel/wybel (I forgot which had the 2.1m hp) with an unoptimised alka build that uses mantlewalkers and sp slap accessories, the consequences of warchief with crafteds are catastrophic

The nerf is absolutely deserved

[stark pollen]

real

[hearty veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-gif-20369681

[umbral cave]

yeah, fallen was way too OP, not because of skill expression but rather because it gave to much benefit even for the risk that this archetype faces

[strange viper]

yeah not gonna bother

[spark cedar]

What about bmonk changes .-.

[carmine sparrow]

just because changes dont happen immediately doesnt mean that things arent being looked at. the ability team cant do everything all at once

that said i do not personally know what the ability team is up to

[umbral cave]

i believe that bmonk needs a rework and that takes time, especially considering that every month 1 archetype gets a rework or gets a tweak, so is a matter of time

probably after shade rework and riftwalker

since they are well known to be reworked anytime soon

and ritualist doesn't have a rework planned, so maybe before ritualist

[spark cedar]

Shade has a rework planned?

[summer orbit]

this has to be bait

[hearty condor]

(it is)

[umbral cave]

Someone mentioned that shade had something planned idk if it was a rework or a tweak

But it was in relation of how certain things didn't work correctly with new enemies

[daring sparrow]

ct ahh speech 💀

[scenic willow]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-or-fact-call-it-jjba-gif-4356782155168095918

[waxen ridge]

• high risk high reward
  -look inside
• no risk

[river tiger]

You don't understand

Having 16 blocks of aoe is high risk

[weak haven]

you dont understand
being at 1hp for one frame while your kill aura is down is high risk

[steady violet]

the only risk is my connection reset

[rapid fox]

This might be the greatest rage bait ever