acoustic talon
Spoiler alert if you haven't done Aldorei's Secret II, look away or smth
It's weird that the graves below Aldorei are marked as BP (before portal). The portal hadn't happened yet when those elves were buried, no one knew that it would, so marking their graves as BP at the time doesn't make sense. Does it matter? Absolutely not, but it looks like an inconsistency.
(This probably has been brought up before, but a quick search didn't get anything 🤷 )
acoustic talon
it took me a really long second to get the joke
but it does remind me of never having the guts to post a particular piece of feedback
why is Tasim not a romanceable character 😡
anyway
i wonder if there's other stuff dated as BP where it doesn't make sense
peak vale
Spoiler alert if you haven't done Aldorei's Secret II, look away or smth
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This is a convenience for the player. Dating things retroactively in this way- as has been done IRL with B.C.E. and A.D. year measurements- means that counts from previous documents are difficult to discern the actual dating of and it requires a very big amount of anthropological/archaeological work to properly place on a timeline. Using a separate dating scheme for the graves there would be a massive amount of work for US as we would need to have determined a "start" date exclusively for the elves and track that up the timeline while calculating out the difference between this dating schema and the others(especially as they may not include the same amount of time between increments! What if a "year" is a pass of seasons instead of a pass of four, for example?) AND players would then have to figure that out at the same time- and there's no way most players would sit around calculating that out when we can just cut out the middle man there.
It is an inconsistency, but it's done for sake of ease on both ourselves and the players.
acoustic talon
This is a convenience for the player. Dating things retroactively in this way- a...
Yeah, i figured that it was something like that
Definitely didn't intend for this to be a gotcha, more of "oh look"
This goes into suggestion territory, but Olon could do the conversion for us, or he could say smth like "The looked after graves are the only ones using new dates, looks like they've been updated to new format later. But even the old ones date before portal", this would reinforce the division theme.
But all that is for a lore cleanup update, if it ever happens, which I imagine is at the bottom of the priority list rn lol
hushed prism
or you could just create a separate dating scheme for the graves there by determining a new "start" date based on unexplained elf lore
this sounds like a joke but its not. wynn thrives off of unexplained stuff and unironically its a strength when it comes to making people interested in lore (dont want everything to be explained immediately, obviously!)
there are hundreds of video essays praising games that do this---environments that tell a story that you weren't a part of. makes the world feel more alive because things happen outside of the players experience, yk?
peak vale
I...addressed doing exactly that
acoustic talon
in a quest that's probably too much
i doubt it can work without olon acting as a translator
frigid birch
I...addressed doing exactly that
Can you restate your points but explain it as if I was a toddler 
frigid birch
Wait did you draw that or have it commissioned that looks so cool
peak vale
no i just pasted my name over rindo's after screenshotting the The World Ends With You wiki page
frigid birch
Awwww
frigid birch
ruby trellis
how I explain it: when BP/AP years became the standard, the elves went back into the grave area and converted the dates
edgy nova
what an unplayable game
agile tapir
"did the romans ever wonder what they were counting down to" ahh question
tropic geyser
Spoiler alert if you haven't done Aldorei's Secret II, look away or smth
It's w...
Elves wouldn't even use an AP/BP calender, so it's just the player translating it in their head I assume.
A more proper fix though would be subtly introducing the elvish dating system earlier in the quest, having all the dates be in that system, and then just having a dialogue option for the player to say that they all died Before Portal.
hushed prism
I...addressed doing exactly that
i know
that’s why i used your exact wording
cuz i disagree
peak vale
a not-insignificant part of our lore troubles is randomness. the lack of planning did contribute mystery for awhile but for this to function it couldnt be random- there would need to be consistency to it, which means it would need an internal explanation of some kind, which is where most of what I said comes into play anyway
like, for this to function as a measure of story, as breadcrumbs and clues for the player to figure out, there must be some form of consistency, and given the entire point is that the elves are visibly and properly dying due to having graves up until a specific year, it needs to be clear about those dates somehow, that must be communicated otherwise that part of the mystery just completely fails since it would be impossible to figure out
and if olon just told you anyway instead of being able to observe and figure it out for yourself, that wouldn't create a mystery, and it would directly explain the "unexplained" lore, which means we would need to have an explanation to give
which was what i was getting at.
hushed prism
ugh stop being right selvut
steel smelt
