Eyes in TNA are some bs

[gentle wing]

Greg near quickly smashes the ground and shoots out 4 sets of darting eyes that 1 tap 90% of builds, extremely punishing move that is a must avoid. Even if u do, alot of times they instead agro a teammate and players get caught in the crossfire. Can they plz be made some bit slower, so I can properly see where they are heading? Their damage is also absurd. Prob most annoying deaths in tna

[lone blade]

Shrimply stand on the other side of the arena

[left vessel]

Anecdote time, but I haven't died to these once.

[ornate dirge]

i think greg needs to have seriously lethal attacks in tna but its kinda real that dying to them feels like bullshit i exploded instantly on epoch in graid one time nad had to clip it and watch back to. see that the eyes traveled to my location so fast they were visible for like 5 frames, circle strafing does just invalidate them though so idk maybe a rebalance would be better than a nerf

[ornate dirge]

ykw so funny doing this doesnt help at all, its circle strafing that counters them

[lone blade]

Idk seems to do rly well

[left vessel]

At least graid doesn't feel like I am getting others killed.

[lone blade]

It may depend when u move

[languid folio]

tna is kinda the cookie cutter extremely punishing boss for not knowing the mechanics but really manageable once u get the hang of it

so I feel like this just a lack of knowledge on the spawning indicator

[lone blade]

Blinking in tna is hazardous

[gentle wing]

I watched a guild member on the other side of the arena running in the complete opposite direction, he still got shot down

[left vessel]

It's more like the boss becomes sort of trivial solo, but a warzone in a group.

[left vessel]

What's the ws?

[ornate dirge]

this is so real of the like 15 runs i did tonight the only fails i had were from dumbasses kiting skulls into me

[gentle wing]

He had oly on

So like 200?

[languid folio]

I think that's just a skill issue

[gentle wing]

No they move freakishly fast

[left vessel]

How far was he? If he was really far that just allows the eyes to hit him easier.

[languid folio]

we are talking about eyes right

[gentle wing]

Yeah he was hella far

[lone blade]

Yuh

[languid folio]

like the ones that crit sound effect and blind

[left vessel]

If he is just running like 180 degrees

[languid folio]

u can outrun those with like 60 ws

[gentle wing]

Yeah, if ur moving side to side

[left vessel]

Circle strafing is the standard

[languid folio]

if u hear the sound indicator and fail to adapt in time that's kinda on you especially your teammate who has allegedly ~200 ws

[left vessel]

Watched phase : )

[lone blade]

Watched is fine

Never been nuked to death by someone

[gentle wing]

Brooooo

[ornate dirge]

ive gotten much better at just staying in a really small corner and i run a build that can survive a bit of the worm puke worst case so its w/e

[left vessel]

If people actually went in a circle

[lone blade]

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

[left vessel]

Like c'mon this is a team based activity.

[gentle wing]

Point is eyes don't care for going straight backwards which is dumb

[languid folio]

idk like the only time I've died to the eyes is me thinking that I can tank them or them spawning inside of me (acrobat)

[lone blade]

The issue is t the eyes it’s the acrobat

[gentle wing]

That's also bs I've died on spellshade and acro that way

[languid folio]

facts probably vand the spawning thing is like how else is the ability gonna work

[left vessel]

Does the giant purple seed hinder you greatly when you are flying.

[languid folio]

yeah it's unlucky that they spanwed on top of you but that happens in every game that spawns minions

[languid folio]

idk I haven't played acrobat since like trickrobat times

[lone blade]

Everything in tna is relatively non threatening idek what the graid exclusive abilities do

It’s just the eyes and skulls

[left vessel]

the seeds

[languid folio]

I think I've only been hit by them once but not on acro

[lone blade]

Idk what that is

[mighty blaze]

have yall played graid tna recently? asking the mods

[lone blade]

I’ve been hit by pmuch everything in tna and only the eye things and skulls do any dmg

[lone blade]

Yes

[languid folio]

ya

[lone blade]

Those graid abilities are literally useless

[mighty blaze]

what do you play?

[lone blade]

Spring

[languid folio]

laby or glue nulli

[gloomy python]

What eyes are we talking about im so confused

[languid folio]

the ones that blind you and have the crit sound effect

[gloomy python]

is it graid only?

[languid folio]

no

[lone blade]

The purple player head looking ones

[gloomy python]

The skulls?

[mighty blaze]

yes graid only

[left vessel]

Had to go back to some thread

[lone blade]

Usually u just die so this doesn’t rly help 😭

[languid folio]

erm whar

[lone blade]

That this is the least threatening thing ever ngl

[gloomy python]

I have never once died to this as a glassy epich

[left vessel]

What do you play

[lone blade]

I can escape into it and take no dmg

[languid folio]

aren't the eyes the invisible baby zombie type mobs that touch u and blind u

[lone blade]

Who?

[mighty blaze]

nah that was like pre 2.1

[left vessel]

you

[lone blade]

Spring

[gloomy python]

Are we talking about the purple skulls???

[mighty blaze]

the thing you're talking about are the armless

[languid folio]

no not those

and not skulls either

[lone blade]

I think no one actually knows tna ability names ngl

[gloomy python]

Ok then i’m lost

[lone blade]

Just say the flying ball thing

Or purple skulls

[languid folio]

it spawns them with like an end portal opening sound effect and they walk on the floor

[left vessel]

It's mainly threatening to low hp builds if someone is unfortunate to run into the trajectory of someone elses.

[marsh knoll]

those purple thingy r the eyes yeeeee

[languid folio]

and then when they touch you u get blinded and there's a vanilla crit sound effect

[mighty blaze]

No the eyes were talking about are purple colored skulls that spawn when greg does the wave motion and they spawn in chunks the size of the players alive in the raid. 4 for 4 people and 1 for 1 person

[gloomy python]

Someone just send an ss of what it is i’ve been grinding tna for bolt aspect and i have no idea what you guys are talking about

[left vessel]

The seed attack is called "Sow the seeds"

[marsh knoll]

silly flying heads which have aimbot towards ur ass

[gloomy python]

Ok so that is the fucking skulls then

[mighty blaze]

its graid only

[languid folio]

I'm so lost I am gone

[gloomy python]

Bro skulls are not graid only

[lone blade]

U can dodge pmuch everything by walking to the opposite side of arena

[mighty blaze]

no these are skulls not eyes

[lone blade]

We should just link the wiki page about Greg

[gloomy python]

Oh wait are you talking about the grapes

[mighty blaze]

I just said what the eyes were above

[lone blade]

😭

[left vessel]

90% of TNA's problems are mitigated with high ws

[mighty blaze]

bro said grapes

[gloomy python]

Thats our callout for it

Anyways just call it out and run away its easy as hell to dodge

[left vessel]

Actually it is mandatory for sustained dmg

[lone blade]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Nameless_Anomaly_(Boss)

[gloomy python]

Get an archer to give u ws

[lone blade]

Read up guys

[lone blade]

I just use ws pot and scroll

And stormy

[left vessel]

Oh yeah

[lone blade]

And stratiformis

[left vessel]

Make sure you're not 5 blocks in the air or else the skulls will track you more than three times.

[gloomy python]

Hopeless III + windy feet + gale force is enough to outrun anything for me

[gloomy python]

Twin we not talking about the skulls

[lone blade]

Stratiformis 💪

[gloomy python]

I used to use strati with my spring

[lone blade]

Based

[languid folio]

Surrender to Oblivion: Used whenever, the Nameless spawns several pink eyeballs that act like standard melee mobs that are completely invulnerable. They instead disappear after a set amount of time. An eyeball can hit a targeted player for 2,000 True Damage alongside 2,000
Water Damage. At lower HP, more eyeballs are spawned.

this is the only one that mentions eyeballs I think dawg

[left vessel]

Never said that, just take the information.

[gloomy python]

Ya the grapes

[lone blade]

Wiki is capping idek what to say

[gloomy python]

It’s a graid thing

[languid folio]

yeah then everything that I was saying earlier is right

[lone blade]

4k tru dmg?

[left vessel]

The wiki is still outdated isn't it.

[mighty blaze]

Overall my take is that the eyes are very punishing and unfair at times but it's also a guild raid which means it should be difficult and bs one shot attacks might as well be a part of that. I think the people who dont understand how much damage the eyes do either play tanky builds or just have never gotten hit by all 4 at mach 10

[lone blade]

It’s annoying when u die just by blinking

[left vessel]

blinking heh

[languid folio]

try not blinking

[lone blade]

I blinked and died wtf was I supposed to do 😭

[left vessel]

Get a ws scroll

[languid folio]

anyways I think you deserve to get 1 shot if ur trying to run a glassy dps build and get hit by anything that isn't supposed to be chip damage

(which is like nothing)

[left vessel]

: 3

[lone blade]

It was like all empty

No attacks

[topaz mesa]

tbh most annoying deaths in graid are when u think 2nd watch beam is first watch beam cuz they look and sound the same

[lone blade]

And I blinked

[gentle wing]

Bro i got 1 tapped running 24k hp abso summoner

[lone blade]

I was running spring with shield up

[mighty blaze]

They kinda speed up exponentially like they come out slow but zoom so fast like half a second later. Theres really no good way to react to it other than strafing in a circle and hoping you're not running into the path of the aggroed player

[languid folio]

what's ur ehp

[lone blade]

30k no shield

It’s agi

[left vessel]

You know what is funny is that people complained that the eyes were a joke before they got buffed to this state.

[gentle wing]

I was standing in the boss then standing in the boss but in spectator mode

[languid folio]

ok well agi moment I would have to guess

[lone blade]

I think it’s just a really funny

[gentle wing]

40k ehp no agi but lunatic makes it 30k ehp no agi

[lone blade]

30k kinda low

[mighty blaze]

well they were cause they like hovered like 2 blocks away, they didnt target a player and shoot at them like a bullet like they do now

[left vessel]

So it's in this sort of feast or famine state.

[languid folio]

idk what the specifics are for all cases but I think tna is generally the most fair boss in terms of like "if u did not watch out for x ability and died there's a very good chance it was solely your fault"

unless it's watched

[lone blade]

Watched 😭

[gentle wing]

Hey bro it's revolutionary for shaman

[left vessel]

I love graid Watched : D

[lone blade]

Watched with aerodynamics is terrible

[jade fox]

hm is the damage bugged

let me go check

[gentle wing]

No shot

[lone blade]

Sob

[jade fox]

no, damage looks fine

[lone blade]

Sob

[gentle wing]

):

[mighty blaze]

are you accounting for the group of 4 eyes that come out when 4 ppl are alive?

[lone blade]

I think it’s reasonable will numbers actually

Oops

[left vessel]

I think it'd be better if Greg shot out 4 eyes that each targetted an individual player.

[lone blade]

4k per eye and it’s 3 eyes per person

[jade fox]

fine as in i didnt accidentally break it when i went and updated damages a few patches back to use new systems

[lone blade]

So if u agi fail 1 u one shot

[left vessel]

Idk if that'ss how it works rn

[jade fox]

i dont know about balance

[frank fog]

the damage is extremely high but if you pay attention to where theyre going theyre very easy to dodge. this attack should be very punishing to be hit by considering how much easier the other graid specific attacks are in TNA

[lone blade]

I think it’s 12 eyes total 3 to each player

[left vessel]

4 sets of them mb

Idk if they're shot towards each one though.

[lone blade]

Do u know what the portal actually does xDDDD

[frank fog]

the portal does essentially nothing and the air ball void thingy is useless aside from anti-air

[mighty blaze]

until it spawns in the ground lol cause greg does the animation inside of a void hole

[frank fog]

it acts as a regular void hole, the ones on the ground. it does minimal damage and teleports you up

[topaz mesa]

this is untrue it will also nuke the guardian players, its goated

[frank fog]

lol real

[left vessel]

I thought the portal would destroy me

[lone blade]

Rly? I just walk thru it like nothing

[frank fog]

the hitbox sucks ass

[mighty blaze]

yeah half the time it does nothing

[topaz mesa]

im like 99% sure the hitbox doesnt exist

[gentle wing]

It gets hard to dodge them with the team tho, they move very fast

[frank fog]

it's just a really weak attack overall

[frank fog]

idk what to tell you atp. just read where theyre moving.

[topaz mesa]

its litteraly never tpd me, most its done is like push me to the side

[left vessel]

It also leaves himself open to getting bursted.

[mighty blaze]

every man for themself during eyes

[gentle wing]

Shits impossible at times bro

[left vessel]

He takes 3 seconds to scream at the direction where people have already evaded.

[frank fog]

the best way to dodge them is to move in a place where you know noone else is going to be, so that you can avoid collateral

[mighty blaze]

trick is to stay as close as possible to greg and circle 👍

[gentle wing]

They gotta be slowed down so like even if they go to a diff person somewhere u can see where their landing

[frank fog]

theyre fine as is

[lone blade]

Just stand on the opposite side of the arena I haven’t died yet doing that

[frank fog]

fr though just moving generally away from other players, akin to skulls, is a very effective way to avoid them hitting you. it is not hard.

[lone blade]

It’s very effective genius strat that works in every atk

[left vessel]

Just die, after all, the eyes can't hit you if you're dead.

[lone blade]

Exploding head

[gentle wing]

It's soo dumb sometimes when everyone is circle strafing on the boss

[mighty blaze]

if you're on the opposite side of the arena you wont have aggro so you'll never get targeted

[frank fog]

gee i wonder how that can be avoided

[lone blade]

Yea exactly

Let the others suffer

[mighty blaze]

solution: get better guild mates

[gentle wing]

Bro did u ever die to them

[left vessel]

Do each set of eyes target different people?

[lone blade]

Bruh the solution is right there

[left vessel]

Or just whoever has aggro.

[lone blade]

If u want foolproof no deaths just stand to the opposite side

[mighty blaze]

no all 3 target the player greg currently has aggro on, which kinda sucks cause mid spawning the eyes, his aggro can change randomly

[frank fog]

when they were first buffed and i didnt know how fast they moved they caught me off guard, but after realizing they can just be dodged similarly to avoiding other players' skulls i have had literally 0 issue with them. i'll only die to them if im seriously not paying attention.

[frank fog]

they can reaggro, i have seen it

[left vessel]

lol

[frank fog]

each set will stick to their target location, but the player they target can change between sets

[left vessel]

That may be annoying.

[gentle wing]

Bro stop being so locked in

[frank fog]

i do find that it rarely reaggros though

[frank fog]

me when i focus during the hard content (wynncraft players are devastated)

[gentle wing]

Might be truth,,,

[lone blade]

As a guardian hypertank I must disagree

[frank fog]

my fault opp

[left vessel]

Perhaps each set should target a different player so that it's more coherent.

If it's actually this hard

[frank fog]

i feel like that wouldnt change the attack in a meaningful way. even then it's not hard

[near slate]

tf does this thing even do

genuine question

[frank fog]

it's an anti-air, just a floating hitbox

quite nothingburger

[left vessel]

It explodes when it hits the ground or after 4 seconds.

[mighty blaze]

1 targets each player and chunks hp

[frank fog]

??? what?

[left vessel]

Sometimes he can air drop it on to you from above.

[frank fog]

OH that's not the floating orb thing

[near slate]

oh i thought its the floating orb

meant to ask that i didnt know this was void grenade

[frank fog]

the floating orb is just a floating hitbox

[mighty blaze]

does a tad bit of damage and gives slowness

[near slate]

never got it by it even if i try to

[frank fog]

it gives slowness...?

[severe turtle]

Same. I really only died to the long jump for some reason. Or due to poor Archer movement and streak of events

[mighty blaze]

only annoying when it spawns inside the ground right before watched, creeps towards you when you're at the tower and gives you slowness right before you move so you die to watched

please fix

[frank fog]

that attack could be like 50 times more interesting ngl it's so nothing burger

[lone blade]

Usually u just die so the after hit effects are nonexistent

[mighty blaze]

from the floating orb thing?

[lone blade]

Idk what atk we talking abt anymore

[left vessel]

I find the armless following you during watched more threatening.

[frank fog]

tna eyes attack being """"""""""""""""strong"""""""""""""""

[left vessel]

But i just walk out of the pillar

[near slate]

armless is annoying af and it takes away half your hp for some reasons

[lone blade]

Ok but u can drop those on players so it’s funny

:3

[mighty blaze]

the floating ball that greg spawns when he claps his hands together in graid and it cannot hit you on the ground unless its bugged

[frank fog]

that's the void arm thing, the armless are the actual mobs

[lone blade]

Yea ik

[frank fog]

o

[lone blade]

U can carry the armless with multi hit and bomb people

[frank fog]

💀

[lone blade]

I am a productive graider ong

[gloomy python]

Bring back old tna

[left vessel]

Just have to pay attention to where the void hole is, the hitbox reduction was admittedly deserved.

[unique lagoon]

yes so much dmg from the 4 morbillion random aimbot tna dmg

[mighty blaze]

bros the definition of tna pvp

[left vessel]

But like it does a lot more dmg now afaik.

[mighty blaze]

yeah it defintely is a one shot to mid ehp builds, but as long as you stay moving they are harmless

[left vessel]

ah when the armless didn't have cci

[lone blade]

Can’t let the opps do dmg

[lone blade]

Always afaik

[digital flicker]

I don't even know what the eyes do I rarely pay attention to them

[left vessel]

They don't have it anymore

[near slate]

there was a period where it didnt have cci but now they do

[digital flicker]

I don't like the skulls though

[frank fog]

they like instakill you

[mighty blaze]

graid tna only to be specific

[near slate]

yeah the eyes deal a shit ton of dmg but is really easy to dodge + has proper indication

[left vessel]

I just say fuck it and charge away when there are skulls with 3 people.

[lone blade]

Why did they ruin the fun

It was so fun dropping armless on people

[left vessel]

Too many people leading the skulls into me x_x

[digital flicker]

Eh I don't think I've ever had issued

[lone blade]

Do u play Agi or def

[digital flicker]

Unless the time I got one-shot was them spawning and I didn't notice

[frank fog]

yeah they're fine. small hitbox that's very punishing

[near slate]

the eyes are only like an issue when you stand in one place but cmon man most wont do this unless dpsing while someone is glue-ing (and if you use glue you kinda deserve this)

[left vessel]

auto : D

(He hates glue)

[near slate]

glue is just bs i dont like it either (tbf if i wanted to grind aspects in tna i probably would use glue)

[left vessel]

Profit > Having fun

[lone blade]

Aspect grind in notg can certainly use glue

[mighty blaze]

Looks like you both died to seperate swipes from greg, not the eyes or shurikens

[lone blade]

He right the eyes don’t give that death msg

[left vessel]

Eyes likely dealt a whopping 16K + however many ehp and the swipe finished him off.

[mighty blaze]

looks like a shuriken hit him from that trajectory tbh

but good catch youre right he does lose 16k hp from that first

[left vessel]

Just checked and the build he is using is Animosity hmelee

Not the tankiest, but boasts like 29K ehp (65 defense)

Unless the wynnbuilder I am using is outdated

[lone blade]

Agi vs eyes who wynns

[left vessel]

Just play it like you would etw

[frosty cipher]

it is graid only
what.

[languid folio]

whar the little eye guys

were they changed to be graid only

[near slate]

yeah

[languid folio]

lame

[limpid vapor]

ur thinking of skulls rn

[solid rose]

yeah

but also in the clip ScarlettDevil died and they were running some monster lb build which has more ehp i think

[crystal yoke]

The thing im annoyed about is that there is no indocation when greg is aboutta do the hand smashes, if you are playing a close range build. Most of the time you'll jst get one shot

[ornate dirge]

nope circle strafinh fully dodges eyes at like low epoch level ws

[ruby widget]

Greg attack so weird to i stay on midair with piro and greg can hit me i dunno is bc 300-400 ping or someting

[near slate]

greg HATES air

[limpid vapor]

greg has PTSD from 2.0

[trim wind]

what build are you using?

[trim wind]

me neither

[normal sigil]

it was bout damn time he took revenge from 2.0,,,,,

[ruby widget]

Greg PSTD tricko

[normal sigil]

tricko, cspam and this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/785655481259655218/1258946996987891823/2024-07-05_17-45-00.mp4?ex=67943442&is=6792e2c2&hm=32fcae6ed70cd8bb1f871d2d72abf356c339fa880c86352b204f756733da855b&

[ruby widget]

Lmao flying mage

[gentle wing]

I've used a ton of shit

[ornate dirge]

@steep chasm lmfao

[steep chasm]

what

[ornate dirge]

thread

[steep chasm]

they are fine if u dont have 450 ping lol

or maybe thats just warp idk

[rancid lantern]

they can also swap targets mid move if aggro swaps

[left vessel]

The zoom in doesn’t show much

Were they vanished? I couldn’t see them.

[jade fox]

OH theyre invisible

ok i know why

will fix. thats due to something from this patch

[left vessel]

What happened?

The eyes changed targets?

[jade fox]

uhhh so basically we have a tag that makes mobs invisible. previously, this tag did nothing for mobs using the new model system

we fixed that. but theres probably some number of mobs that still have that tag that nobody noticed had it because it did nothing

[left vessel]

I’m not quite following, is this regarding the eyes?

[jade fox]

wait did i not understand this thread at all

oh my god

[ornate dirge]

theyre there theyre just kinda tiny and unnoticeable lol

could they be highlighted tbh? would be nice

[gloomy python]

surprise mike breen

[summer stirrup]

eyes r fine 👍

[subtle blaze]

TNA is a PvP raid

[left vessel]

@dry garden I forgot who to ping for this, but during watched phase, when I am hit by the beam, does it give me slowness?

Or is it something else.

(For context, not a skill issue, just intentionally harming myself to get to 50% corrupted with sustain Fallen)

[dry garden]

kinda

in Graid

when the totems are hit

they give off an explosion of damage and rebuffs including slowness

this is to prevent camping on the totem and make doing so more punishing

[left vessel]

I see I see

[left vessel]

Does the amount of dmg the watched beam deals matter when knocking the totems down

[dry garden]

yes

it will still damage u if u hit it

it just doesnt cause a void hole

[left vessel]

sorry what I meant was if the pillars had their own amount of hp and if where it was when the beam hit it mattered.

(I am raiding rn I am typing a abit fast)

[dry garden]

uh I dont think so?

When the watched shoots it does an explosion at the end of its lazer that does damage

When you time it so that watched lazer hits the totem it still does that explosion, but the totem also does an explosion around itself that deals debuffs as well as damage

It will always do that extra explosion with debuffs no matter if it was the first or second hit, or where the watched lazer hit the totem