Make graid available among allied guilds/make "raid allies" and set a limit to amount of guild have

[lone smelt]

Sometimes you wanna raid with friends from other guilds, or there aren't enough people available to raid together, this would make it more enjoyable and make graid generally available to more people

Won't affect the core of the game much and it's more convenient

[serene ginkgo]

this was already said in anotha thread

[lone smelt]

Oh

[limpid folio]

It's just that good of an idea

[flat mesa]

We really should start counting duplicate threads in a month

[calm prawn]

give this man the upvote & get out

[dense coyote]

Oh yeah? Well uh your face was said in another thread

[muted harbor]

His name is mr worldwide, i would expect to see his face in every thread

[eternal anchor]

hi i think this is bad; see my reasonings in the other thread

[silver wadi]

the issue being the current way allegiances work

you have a limited number of ally slots, it's a paain in the ass for the chiefs, and high lvl guilds are just going to leave lower lvl guilds in the dust

[ashen marlin]

hyperlink?

[cobalt lichen]

Is this not already the case

[cobalt lichen]

Can you send a link to it?

[serene ginkgo]

me when an alliance is just tax evading

[calm prawn]

it's fine it makes allying more useful

[ashen marlin]

guilds by definition have less slots than a group of guilds so i’m kinda confused

[tired meadow]

suggestion post

[drowsy lichen]

pls make this, smaller and bigger guilds would benefit and allow more players to make their own guilds

[rich rover]

your reasons just seem to be "why would you do this? you can just join that guild"
and while you do defend that position suitably, i don't understand your reasonings against this
people want this to be a change. why don't you?

[eternal anchor]

honestly i'm just a contrarian and i hate fun !!!!!

[rich rover]

why have you not joined the ct yet then
that's like the one qualification

[eternal anchor]

i don't know wynnscript or how to learn it 😔

[rich rover]

uh
u don't have to
apply for item maker rn
requires: zero knowledge of wynnscript

[eternal anchor]

also im dog at game balance

i'll look into it later tho

[serene ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/what-happened-what-happened-to-you-as-a-child-what-kind-of-trauma-makes-you-act-like-this-stare-stare-cat-gif-2454779732634892782

[lone smelt]

Yeah for real tho

Like that idea have came up on my mind multiple times, don't break economy and core mechanics either

[eternal anchor]

the issue at hand is you people are NERDS and refuse to assimilate into megaguilds smh smh

[lone smelt]

Ty for actually paying attention on the thread

[eternal anchor]

"oohhh but this guild gives me nostalgia all my inactive friends are in it" GET OVER IT!!!W

[lone smelt]

The issue I feel like I'm facing is that, currently it's close to exam (at least in our country), so there is less likely to find ppl willing to raid at the exact same time, having multiple ppl from different guilds able to raid together also increase positive interaction, and sometimes, guilds are full, and when that happens ppl can still actually raid together if their guild is allied, while it is just a nice qol that "most" of the playerbase wants

[lone smelt]

Please stop your accusations since that isn't true

[eternal anchor]

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[eternal anchor]

have you possibly considered recruiting guild members from online sources rather than IRL?

also if your guild is full and inactive, it's time to start kicking people

[lone smelt]

I ain't the guild owner so I won't be rude and start judging the guild and other stuff, really enjoy staying in it, and you ain't even a guild member of ours, idk what you're judging especially when it's unrelated to the thread, so please make the thread for discussion and not straight up opposing on any ideas other people have and start judging their guilds or whatsoever

[eternal anchor]

Apologies, I will only refer to the post itself for my next deconstruction

[frigid zephyr]

@lone smelt hi snowfox how u been

[lone smelt]

Exam next week so

[frigid zephyr]

This is not good

At least you're back to wynn :D

[eternal anchor]

(I won't consider ethics for this as i am a big fan of utilitarianism.)

Sometimes you wanna raid with friends from other guilds
Join their guild or have them join yours.
Or there aren't enough people available to raid togehter
Join a more active guild, or recruit more active people.
This would make it more enjoyable
Unrelated to previous evidence. Please elaborate?
and make graid generally available to more people
Based on previous evidence from other sources, graids do not appear to be designed to actually be more accessible to more people. If i remember correctly, their difficulty was aimed at high-tier players who found regular raids more easily, and were likely already involved in a competent guild anyway.
Won't affect the core of the game much
Most changes wouldn't.
and It's more convenient
A, I think we should quadruple profession XP that would be more convenient
B, You (likely) aren't intended to jump into guild raids conveniently. Their harder, and less accessible for a reason (see above)
gl on your exam btw

[lone smelt]

im always playing Wynn tbh

[dire hare]

Hi snowfox !!

[eternal anchor]

wildly unrelated but what's your guys's opinion on utilitariansim :3

[lone smelt]

Hi :)

[eternal anchor]

sorry i forgot to develop an actual arguement
Guild Raids were likely intended as a feature intended for high-investment, high-skill and high-preparation groups of players for marginally better rewards (what's the graid to non graid loot ratio again I forgor 💀.) Overall, Convenience is not a necessary feature because Guild Raids aren't supposed to be convenient in the first place.

[eternal anchor]

-# they made an entire game about extreme effort for slightly better rewards it's called hypixel skyblock 🔥

[lone smelt]

1. yeah but that just makes it easier, won't break the economy and increase positive interaction, why not
2. like guilds ain't always inactive, there are just times that people are more likely to be busy irl (likely because of its the "same type" of players in a guild, which is pretty normal (what I means of same type is like for example, they're all students or they're all adults have to work whatsoever)
3. Raiding with friends from other guilds/able to raid with new people is generally enjoyable
4. Graids are made for endgame players, but not every endgame player have a guild/most guilds may be full(especially summer vacation when the insane queue is smth in existence) and also tbh it's not that hard to be a endgame player in wynn in my opinion, with some skill -3-5stx builds would work, and you get that from questing/now outer void is a thing le isn't that hard to get when you just reached lv100+, first mythic is easier to obtain
5. Yeah since it won't affect core of the game and economy, why not add a qol
6. iagree that convenience isn't that much of an argument, but if it won't affect the game much, why not add it

Also ty :) (for the gl on exam)

[lone smelt]

Also furthermore on 5 and 6 point, a huge part of the player base would love it added too

[silver wadi]

Ngl these takes are semi good semi bad

[zenith token]

I really like this idea. My only concern would be how score/runs are tracked. Ig you could just divide score by 4 for each person but it could be unfair for people purposely taking less gambits to help the party. Also run count would be kinda wonky since it's no longer per full party

[eternal anchor]

foxxo i will be 100% completely real with you but like, idk if trust your opinion on wynncraft takes 🔥

[lone smelt]

lmao

[serene ginkgo]

despite being a wall of text this is actually enjoyable to read, thank you

[calm prawn]

score is just per player then if u turn on 3 then your guild gets 3

also let us take all 4 for more sr 🔥

[silver wadi]

Take one sucks
Take two sucks
Take three sucks
Take for is decent
Take five sucks
Take six sucks shit

Don't generalize things

[zenith token]

What an odd way to give feedback

[lone smelt]

Give a 20% sr boost if all from same guild and otherwise depend on the gambit a player takes? (Also I think guild xp depends on your guild level so that won't be that much of an issue)

Or, if that's too much sr from graid, reduce 20% if cross guild doing graid

[eternal anchor]

ok so im gonna preface this by saying the arguement "why not" would have me skinned alive by my AP english teacher (who im using as my very real grading standard)

yeah but that just makes it easier, won't break the economy and increase positive interaction, why not
See earlier point about convenience. Economy isn't really something we need to account for here, and positive interaction can be achieved by doing any other multiplayer activity with other guild members, (such as regular raids, world events, caves (🤢) or discoveries.)
like guilds ain't always inactive, there are just times that people are more likely to be busy irl (likely because of its the "same type" of players in a guild, which is pretty normal (what I means of same type is like for example, they're all students or they're all adults have to work whatsoever)
once again, forgive me apathy on social interactions (it is not related to the fact i am an evil robot fr fr trust,) but my personal choice here would be to join diverse, large guild, ~~and to not consider mortal constraints such as "friendship" and "healthy game environments." ~~ and to bring your active friends over whenever they're active. Afaik most guilds have the space.
Raiding with friends from other guilds/able to raid with new people is generally enjoyable
thank you for elaborating, but see point two and consider dragging newbies in larger guilds.
Graids are made for endgame players, but not every endgame player have a guild/most guilds may be full(especially summer vacation when the insane queue is smth in existence) [and more, im running out of words]
unless something changed balance wise that i missed, most regular, one mythic endgame builds are competent for regraids, and graids gen need more specialization. Game balance is not my jam tho, so maybe i just have a shitty build (1/2)

[lone smelt]

How did you make a wall of text that neat

[silver wadi]

You're only allowed to raid in mega guilds

Nice bad take

[rich rover]

completely disagree
why is it a good thing to encourage being in big guilds

[eternal anchor]

wayyy to much time discord pvping (i blame stoneworks)

[lone smelt]

Rarely I agree with foxxo

[eternal anchor]

big guild corp. paid me off big time

you don't technically need to be in a big guild for this, but big guilds are usually also "active guilds," so i go with that because i save like 3 letters

[lone smelt]

Like tbh there is also a major reason, the vote is 58:2, the qol don't harm the game -> add it

[eternal anchor]

yeah i'll get to that in a sec

[rich rover]

do you have an actual reason or is this just high effort english kid trolling

[eternal anchor]

p much high effort english kid trolling lol
i don't even like big guilds i just like arguing

[zenith token]

You shouldn't have to be in an active guild to graid

[eternal anchor]

i could pull some reasons out of my ass on why big guilds are good but im not here for that!

[zenith token]

and this is coming from the #1 graid guild. There are tonnes of players I'd love to run with but it isn't optimized if I'm non graiding

[serene ginkgo]

the #1 graid guild 😮

[dire hare]

Please make guild alliances in-game a bit more meaningful than just being tax evasion for wars

[lone smelt]

Yep for real

[zenith token]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-homelander-smile-homelander-intergalactic-the-boys-intergalactic-reaction-gif-26616836

Poor @sly cairn stuck in LXA forever 😔

let me graid with him

[sly cairn]

actually me

you will see my apoc bp paladin build

[zenith token]

nvm don't push this change

[sly cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283583963343884322/1287859215192424529/attachment.gif

1v1 rn

[zenith token]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-punch-murder-markipunch-doom-gif-22412827

[sly cairn]

you would NEVER eggplant punch me
you got me piss rank you care too much about me <3

[eternal anchor]

Yeah since it won't affect core of the game and economy, why not add a qol
ok so the issue with asking "why not" over providing a "why" this would be a good feature is that it opens up an opposing opportunity to refute a point. Anyway see point one
iagree that convenience isn't that much of an argument, but if it won't affect the game much, why not add it
Convenience likely would take the backseat in content intended for optimized players. It not affecting the game much is kinda a that doesn't matter too much IMO, unless we care about dev time
In conclusion (two,) optimized content for optimized players doesn't need to be accessible to the general public, when it's target audience is already able to just play it.
anyway I have something i gotta go do so i concede

[stable wasp]

nooo dont add popular requested features that would make raiding more fun!!!

[eternal anchor]

literally me 🔥

if graid exclusivity has 1 fan, it's ~~not ~~ me because i hold literally no real opinion on the matter and im just contrarian

[calm prawn]

i love locking probably half the players out of a more difficult and (for some of the raids) more fun version of the base raid bc they aren't in a guild active enough to have 4 raiders lf the same raid online

i've been in esi before joining seq and i can tell you we have like 2 ppl looking to graid at all time

[lone smelt]

That's so true

[dire hare]

I like to make sure my stoneworks buddies are paid well

[calm prawn]

we WANT to play but we CAN'T and if we can just raid w another guild it would make everyone happpier

[stable wasp]

ive been trying to get people to run

[calm prawn]

ye so did i, good luck maybe now with our new policies it'll be possible

[eternal anchor]

ryzanis killed my grandma 😔

[dire hare]

I'm 2 years clean

[serene ginkgo]

does esi has real players

[calm prawn]

well

[stable wasp]

im a real player

[eternal anchor]

i log in like once every three months to do bannable offenses 🔥

[calm prawn]

we'll see is my best answer...

[stable wasp]

idk i wish it was more active, I've been recruiting a decent amount but they're all nons . . .

[lone smelt]

Also, at this point I think you're straight up saying no, and not giving any other valid reason that I haven't replied to when you saying no, think of more arguments then argue, ty

[calm prawn]

yes and this brings up a good point too

current graiders are all concentrated in the top guilds, and by top guilds i mean just seq atp (look at graid/week numbers) and it takes a lot of investment for a guild to get a recruit to graid level gear

[lone smelt]

Alot of ppl have that issue fr

[eternal anchor]

well i mean so have you i already conceded chief 🙏😭

[lone smelt]

Ok

[stable wasp]

yeah ive thought about floating around a bit more but I don't wanna abandon ESI

[lone smelt]

also nah I did actually took different arguments and used some examples, you can read it again

[calm prawn]

my alt will be joining esi, i'm trying to keep it afloat too

[eternal anchor]

why not & it would be convenient was used like three times

[stable wasp]

idk ill talk to qx and see if I can get something arranged because I do want to graid a lot more

[lone smelt]

I've been in seq and I've also been in smaller(tbh not that much smaller) sized guilds too with "same type of players", I'd say nice qol too :) (exam is edible?)

[calm prawn]

dw we have you covered actually

my project goes active in about a week 👍

[lone smelt]

i added another mention for 5 and 6th point, if you didn't notice, to cover that part

[eternal anchor]

fiiiiiine i'll go rewrite my arguements for those ones smh smh

[lone smelt]

I thought about it for few hours about how it would effect the game, don't find major flaws

[lone smelt]

so can you upvote

🗣️

[eternal anchor]

u have 62 upvotes i think you're good on that front

[stable wasp]

🔥

[calm prawn]

amazing

[stable wasp]

ill wait till you drop your project then ill see about moving around ig

[lone smelt]

62/2 -> 63/1 is like 2x different

[eternal anchor]

~~i'd rather die a contrarian then live long enough to see myself become an agreeable fellow 🗣️ ~~

ok i literally dunno what to say other than my previous responses to 'why not' and i was supposed to be out like 30 minutes ago gotta go fr this time

[dire hare]

RaidKeeper, MarqnBG, Doggy woof and calluuum the 4 horsemen mage players of smth elf

RIP mega alliances

[calm prawn]

marqn #1 warp man

[cobalt lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

[velvet relic]

i like utilitarianism
Nothing being said should be taken seriously

[eternal anchor]

tbh there was probably a better word for that case in specific i mean uhh i think we should run over only one person in the trolly problem

[spare falcon]

have yall considered that uhhh i di not wanna lose chief rank by being forced to join aeq or smth

[silver wadi]

No, they haven't, they only consider their own personal easy experiences when making stupid arguments

[rich rover]

well actually if you read the original trolley problem paper, the author - while not a utilitarian - agreed with you. in fact, the trolley “problem” was not originally brought up as a “problem”, but rather a point of common agreement; “well obviously everyone would agree to run only one person over in this situation”. pop culture twisted it and changed it into a “dilemma”, which it never was

so there

[ashen marlin]

have you considered that this can be fixed ??? why are you not considering this as PART OF THE PROBLEM?!? ??? !!! !?! ??! !!? that’s like saying we shouldn’t remove the “e” in “bote “ if bote is a misspelling of boat because then it will be further from the meaning as bot does not resemble boat at all INSTEAD OF CONSIDERING THAT “E” MUST BE REMOVED TO GET TO BOAT AND THAT AN “A”CAN ALSO BE ADDED

[rich rover]

(interestingly enough, some of the original variations on the trolley problem - most famously, the fat man on a bridge, or the doctor and the patients - were introduced in that very paper. the question posed by the paper was effectively “why would most people agree to only kill one person in the original trolley dilemma, but not agree to push the fat man off the bridge?”, which is a question that straight up doesn’t recognize utilitarianism as a thing that exists. the trolley dilemma paper is - hilariously enough - a highly anti-utilitarian one)

(it’s a BALLER paper and if you like philosophy you should 100% go read it. https://philpapers.org/archive/footpo-2.pdf)

[rich rover]

furthermore, the doctrine of double effect as posed by Philippa Foot is something inherently incompatible with utilitarianism; or, rather, one of those funny little ethical things utilitarians choose to ignore

[silver wadi]

I had no idea that was a thing, thank you lots mardek

[eternal anchor]

I had no clue, thanks for filling me in on that.

[clever junco]

dog i clicked onto this thread, saw the same post for the 10th time, pressed the like goto bottom button, and saw shit about the trolley problem

but back to topic, it'd be cool of you could pfinder guild raids

it'd be weird for non-guild members seeing the option and not being able to, but whatever fuck them

[velvet relic]

?

[dire hare]

Guild Raid party finder?

[raw bridge]

Why would anyone use this rather than just ask in guild chat though 👀

[dire hare]

We mainly use it for organising our Annie parties but the feature is also kinda cool!

[lone smelt]

Implement it!

[tired meadow]

suggestion in feedback
“Implement it”

Good luck

[eternal anchor]

Dev time jumpsscare

[limpid folio]

102:2

I think it's time

[eternal anchor]

lol

[willow breach]

105 hmmm

[limpid folio]

112 likes

[willow breach]

Graid

[lone smelt]

Minor improvements

[willow breach]

Just implement it, easy

[lone smelt]

115 likes

[calm prawn]

most liked post ngl

[raw bridge]

The one with class icons in party had like 300 i think?

[eternal anchor]

@rocky wing this post isn't going anywhere. can you lock it?