#Upcoming Cherry Bomb nerf

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worn bolt
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Still, you can break the cycle and just dash instead of multi/smoke

gritty swift
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yeah fair point, smoke bomb is the only thing you really have to try to hit nowadays. i guess that viewpoint mostly came from the 2.0 hours ive spent playing acro

gritty swift
pulsar wedge
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yeah back in 2.0 you defo had to be more knowledged to land multis with how small it was compared to now

worn bolt
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Oh i swap between sets of cycles

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One for dps, one for movement, and ill time/alter them as needed

blazing gull
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tbh i wanna rework at least parry into something more interesting but making it an actual parry (based on like, having lacerate up as you get hit and the ability on a cooldown) is both a bit too much and confuses acro's playstyle with like . needing to get hit to proc it etc etc

gritty swift
worn bolt
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Eh but the thing is some attacks are so random

blazing gull
pulsar wedge
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parry is a giga bait node

worn bolt
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Also acro ap costs are so high that you cant run any funny tres

blazing gull
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idk i didnt really like any parry alternative that kept the parry idea + anything too similar to spellblocking not for acro is just better dissolution

worn bolt
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Like you never will have enough points for parry

gritty swift
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i think the best things that can happen to acro are like

somehow multihit needs to come out faster
parry needs to be replaced
smoke bomb could use some help given the Weightless change making Wall of Smoke lose value massively
jasmine bloom needs to be something that can be used more proactively

worn bolt
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Also swap psith out too

gritty swift
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oh and fatality needs to not be so finnicky when it procs. having it be at the end of multihit makes getting extra hits just lower the dps lol

worn bolt
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Yep. Fatality is weird

gritty swift
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that's another thing assassin struggles so much with. SO many of it's abilities on the tree are so insanely out of the way

worn bolt
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Psith is useless for acro. Ws and jh are not needed on acro

fathom whale
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well, i guess acrobat should be pushed a little bit more towards multihit combos

worn bolt
gritty swift
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i'm fairly certain that assassin has the most disconnected tree out of all the classes

worn bolt
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Sticky needs to be easier for acro to get

gritty swift
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yeah that'd help

fathom whale
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since using multihit as acrobat makes sense in a way that it's a risky but effective spell

worn bolt
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Also remove the pull on multihit*

blazing gull
fathom whale
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tbf seems like cataclysm/nirvana builds are gonna be used then

gritty swift
blazing gull
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to encourage actually taking the multi length upgrades, using lacerate for main damage and alternating like smoke multi and maybe some shuriken cd shit i dunno

worn bolt
gritty swift
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yeah that's a great idea

blazing gull
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juggle would need to get obliterated but yea

gritty swift
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and then Blade Fury could then increase the damage bonus from fatality, but also have a flat increase for other classes that want to take it

blazing gull
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something like that yeah

gritty swift
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i like that change for sure

worn bolt
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Thats perfect more multihit damage? Clean up a few other nodes, decrease at costs, and make acro hit 250k dps without mythic aspect and acro will be PERFECT

blazing gull
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i think acro would be like so much more ok if that happened. i agree w it still like kind of missing a little bit of kit through smoke not being too interactive and jbloom passive etc but like

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id almost rather add a cd ability on shurikens or something

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idk though

fathom whale
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honestly shurikens could also have something to do, but acrobat kinda doesn't have time to use those

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maybe if you could thorw those on spell casts

worn bolt
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its better. Id still prefer if ct did a full acro buff rather than give it a single ability

fathom whale
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and those could have slight seeking

worn bolt
gritty swift
gritty swift
blazing gull
blazing gull
worn bolt
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I mean the two are next to each other so it could be easier to rework both at the same time, but no i 100% get it its a lot of work

fathom whale
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honestly stuff like transferring lured or blinding not applying to bosses makes half of the trickster abilities useless

blazing gull
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cause i feel like with a long multi uptime encouraged youd be doing like

fathom whale
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related to the smoke bomb, except for distracting greg

blazing gull
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lacerate as main spell, smoke and multi whenever they run out and it kind of leaves room for 1 more ability every so often between lacerates while ur smoke isnt expired

worn bolt
blazing gull
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so some shurikens thing with a decently short cd just kind of works?

worn bolt
gritty swift
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it is kinda hard for acro to get melees off tho...

blazing gull
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...honestly it could be the parry replacement lmfao

gritty swift
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especially with the aoe upgrades, you're so much further from the mobs comapred to before

worn bolt
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Yep. So the cycle becomes spin-mult-spin-smoke-spin-dash-main

blazing gull
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idt the melee swing while shurikens should be considered a buff but it should just get changed to work anyways

gritty swift
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fair

worn bolt
blazing gull
abstract berry
blazing gull
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ur mult will prob run out tho

worn bolt
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With the more multihit hits aspect it actuslly doesnt if you use juggle

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So making multi a lot longer could work there

blazing gull
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juggle would get nerfed if long multi became a default with scaling dmg its just too broken

worn bolt
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Yeah. Like make juggle decrease the scaling by a lot

blazing gull
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like not to the point of being unusable ofc but it shouldnt be a neccesary major to play the archetype either lol

gritty swift
worn bolt
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No i 100% agree. But if you add the multi increases damage thing also make better multi last longer

abstract berry
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i read up on everything, cba to address each individual thing so i wont get properly involved but yall are cooking with these ideas 🔥

worn bolt
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Also buff flow state to not be burst, make it a stacking buff

blazing gull
worn bolt
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Do linear

gritty swift
blazing gull
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i think linear increase is probably fine tbh

worn bolt
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Ya. Also flow state buff pls it shouldnt be burst damage

blazing gull
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makes the archetype a little less aspect reliant

blazing gull
worn bolt
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Ya, flow state is burst while acro isnt burst so… also make rr have a cooldown and not force you to land to reset 😭

gritty swift
blazing gull
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isnt righting supposed to reset if u piro 😭

worn bolt
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I dont use piro lol

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It flings me too high up to use in the cycle. Also dont have the ap*

blazing gull
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real. tbh holding righting also isnt needed with lacerate hop movement

worn bolt
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It isnt but im bad

blazing gull
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fair

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its nice to have

worn bolt
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Also it adds control to flight. Like i throw it in sometimes

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Right before a lacerate for example or to halt momentum

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I love that this thread went from cherry bombs to buff acro lol

gritty swift
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you practically dont move

worn bolt
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Ya. Just make rr reset after hits landed or after time

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What could be fun too is making hop scale with jh so if you want easy flight run more jh. Makes psith useful

blazing gull
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i love it LMAO

worn bolt
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Me who doesnt have even t1 acro myth 😭

gritty swift
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generally speaking it doesnt make acro any stronger, just like 3 times easier to play lol

gritty swift
worn bolt
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I have shade and trick but no acro

blazing gull
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even lacerate from t1 is INSANE

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i felt so fucking cool when i got it from guild aspect week 1 before it was in pool lmaoo

worn bolt
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Damnnnn luckyyyy

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This week has 0 assassin aspects period lol

gritty swift
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worst time to go to the other side of the planet from my computer possible

blazing gull
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rough D:

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2.1 launch was a blast ngl

gritty swift
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i missed out on infinite guild tomes, crazy guild aspects, and the annis

worn bolt
blazing gull
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waking up twice every night to run annie was actually terrible but i made so much money

worn bolt
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Did you not have school or something? Luckyyyy

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I only did the afternoon ones

blazing gull
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i didnt have classes for a semester cause i fucked up lol

knotty sigil
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The Acro Aspect when fully maxed out makes lacerate almost deal as much as a multihit + fatality, just in about half the amount of time.

worn bolt
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holy crap

blazing gull
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7 strike lacerate 🤤

worn bolt
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i wish the ninja class made lacerate purple red too tho not just spin

knotty sigil
blazing gull
worn bolt
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the ability that makes each multi strike do more damage

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linear scaling

knotty sigil
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Oh that

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Maybe stronger multihit actually becomes a stronger multihit

worn bolt
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YES

gritty swift
worn bolt
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yep

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a little not much tho

blazing gull
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i dont know what to do with it other than make cherry bombs an ability node

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and i dont think acro needs that anyways if im being honest (but it could be cool for an alternate spell cycle)

gritty swift
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actually yeah that sounds like something that could be between acro/trickster

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it fits with the theme anyways

blazing gull
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yea lol

worn bolt
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stagger the smoke bomb summons by a tick so they actually help sustain

gritty swift
lethal bay
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it was never here

gritty swift
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it was definitely very strong when it first dropped

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it’s just sucked for a super long time because it was nerfed too much

worn bolt
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oh random thing

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make jbloom activate based on spells cast, not mana spent, since it has anti synergy with intelligence

knotty sigil
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Hanafubuki getting carried by a bug

gritty swift
knotty sigil
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And the absolute best play style to use it on wasn’t even acrobat skull

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Take a wild guess what it was ACTUALLY used on!

gritty swift
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it wasnt? i wasnt too in-touch with the game at the time so i just knew it was strong on acro

worn bolt
knotty sigil
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🍒

turbid tree
gritty swift
turbid tree
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i had a feeling something was very wrong when i saw how much dmg hana cherries was doing in game

gritty swift
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that build was so stupid

worn bolt
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how much damage?

knotty sigil
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333% dmg

worn bolt
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how much damage was the build doing?

knotty sigil
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I don’t even think sustain was a big problem since it was a % increase.

knotty sigil
turbid tree
# worn bolt how much damage was the build doing?

this was the first build i found when searching (so it could be balls i do not know) and it does 34k per cherry with bugged hana https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/builder?v=11#9_0P-0u70tV0Qx0K00xd0Fl0UB06hCI-10000AHanafubuki014lThe most dangerous enemy is one you cannot see. Hidden amidst a flurry of petals comes an avalanche of blows, in one moment dissolving mountains and forests into a growing amalgam, leaving a wake of vibrant bloom in the next.02505A0907160-2200F60M0201c0Q020110S0201L0T010F0h0DEFFLORESCENCE0k0201D5D190108X1E010XI1G010KB1L010140F111B001L1g000000z0z0+0+0+0+0-1TzpzjOAvOW3

gritty swift
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mfw hana lore in the link

knotty sigil
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LMAO

worn bolt
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lol thats hilarious

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no pirou on that ubild?

turbid tree
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didnt make it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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but yea normal not bugged hana is supposed to be 22.7k in that build

worn bolt
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you can run pirou with a similar tree huh

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anyways holy shit hana was broken

turbid tree
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yea 333% sd is uhhh saltroll

worn bolt
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IT DOESNT EVEN HAVE ANY STRENGTH WTF???

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and it uses euouae

knotty sigil
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If people are wondering why this suddenly changed to an acrobat discussion post, it's likely because everything regarding the nerf has been discussed.

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Players complain that the cbomb nerf was too severe, then directs attention towards the disparity of the CT and the players' viewpoint on what counts as "balanced". Finally, an acknowledgement on how assassin received these nerfs when it was practically on life support thanks to this play style.

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So now the discussion has shifted to ways the two archetypes (though mainly acrobat) could be improved.

open widget
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I thought it’s because CT told us to wall of smoke

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And its acrobat thing

craggy snow
civic meadow
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Wall of smoke will still be 3000x worse than trickster with echo xd

cunning thicket
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^

timid knot
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i hope this nerf means that assassin willget real changes that makes the class by itself good

tender lotus
turbid tree
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333% spell damage is fair and balanced 🔥

abstract berry
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i mean if it means i can use it ill act like it is 🔥

normal field
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love how the fallout from hana fix is still going on (my bad gang)

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can confirm acro damage is in the gutters, using pretty optimized builds and 13l12 cycle i have these damage numbers (average, not right number)

  • nirv 200k
  • weath 180k (prob more with ms build but it's such a pain to ms on acro)
  • cata 310k (have fun with 9k ehp)
  • hana 210k (only sustains for like 15s probably just my bad rolls)
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maybe oblivion is playable but i'm done trying to make ms work on acro when shurikens cancel the melee

abstract berry
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mana steal acro wtf?????

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that sounds awful to play but like i kinda see it working

normal field
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it's fucking awful and until somebody can figure out a workaround to the shuriken interaction it will remain awful

valid widget
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Take parry instead

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🔥

icy silo
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No fun allowed
Remember that

abstract berry
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i mean im sure u can like not use shurikens

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but thats a big dps drop with most combos

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with enough sustain u could run the old double lacerate multi but that needed 90 mr and a broken wrist when i tried it

nova slate
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cbomb in nol is REALLY bad (sorry for necro'ing the old topic but just had to address the cbomb is bad in nol allegations 😔 ) (this is lvl 106 hp nol)

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abstract berry
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it be like that sometimes

knotty sigil
worn bolt
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Its prob with mythic aspect since most acro mains have it

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Without mythic what do you get yufei

abstract berry
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i mean i get 200k without using aspect, with it i get a bit more

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although i do have high ish rolls and an etw niv build the last time i tested it

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whilst i was testing acro coper was hitting absurdly higher even when i had aspect lmao 😭

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althoug his build was just objectively far better than mine

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and im poo at acro

worn bolt
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Oh its etw

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I was assuming its rainbow nirvana and was like wtf

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@knotty sigil what the hell is the build you are using that hits more than 200k wtf

knotty sigil
worn bolt
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Oh its crafted nvm

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And its etw

knotty sigil
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This also goes above 200K

nova slate
worn bolt
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Yeah etw does but not anything else

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Acro has shit dps 😭

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Also cata hits 300k?

wanton tapir
quasi fog
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You mean if it gets past IMs votes when fruma comes around

worn bolt
quasi fog
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They kinda vote n such before releasing items, well usually someones keen enough to stop something too bad going through…

torpid chasm
# worn bolt IM votes?

yeah
we have a voting system where every change and item is agreed upon by everyone
which makes it REALLY funny when one person gets the blame for certain changes since literally every change is a group effort

torpid chasm
wanton tapir
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:/

worn bolt
lethal bay
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unanimous would be stupid wdf

worn bolt
torpid chasm
# worn bolt Yall need unanimous or no, also how much power do ct have when it comes to game ...

idt i wanna divulge too much info about the voting system publicly probably
as for “power regarding rebalances”: the Item Makers control nearly every aspect of items and Major IDs (with occasional restrictions from higher-ups), and the Ability Team controls nearly every aspect of the ability tree (as far as i know). the latter is limited to some extent by the fact that coding new abilities requires dev time
(i’m not on the AT so i can’t entirely speak to how their decisions are made and how their team works)

normal field
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can't share weathered since it has some gatekept crafteds

fair barn
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180k dps gatekept build 🔥

normal field
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it's using same crafteds as the shade build uh

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or like it's 7/8 the same as shade

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lemme find the cata build

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hana build is just the standard phantasmagoria one

gritty swift
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this is so op

normal field
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0 crafteds for hana i think i remember the cata crafteds

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lemme put it in it should tell me that i need to assign 104 dex 😔

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swap to emage if you need to but this does 300k ig while trick cata does like 500k on basically the same build

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see worst thing about acro is you are locked out of mana steal so everything has to be built around mr instead

knotty sigil
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If only shurikens didn’t put your main atk on cooldown

normal field
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the shit i would do the make acro work but the game just says NO

knotty sigil
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I tried to make nirvana outdmg cata

normal field
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trust me i tried too, i get same ehp less damage more sustain

knotty sigil
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I think that cata build may sustain just as well

normal field
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it sustains for ~20s for a 13l12 10 cps cycle

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so like in a raid realistically it sustains but for the wynnmana users... there you go