pfinder in raids with the new server system is... sketchy | Wynncraft • MMORPG Minecraft Server | Page 1

ancient thunder Dec 23, 2024, 11:02 PM

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FOR THE RECORD: I am well aware that this just came out. I am aware that things may take time to develop. I do not think that these facts should stop me from making feedback on it. With all of that said...

Since the maintenance finished and the new NA/EU servers dropped, pfinder raids seem to still put players in a random server in order to start the raid. This can cause really big lag issues for those who are further away from the randomly chosen server's proxy. On one hand, this makes the experience equal for those in NA or EU ping-wise, especially compared to before when it was just worse if you weren't in NA. On the other, it makes it significantly harder for players from different regions to actually want to play with each other because of these lag issues.

Pfinder in raids was already sketchy to begin with. You'd get anyone with any build, or any amount of knowledge of the raid. Raids were not guaranteed to succeed, even moreso in NOL and NOTG because you'd get matched with very low level players who are not yet ready to contribute to the raids properly. This new server system adds yet another layer of RNG to pfinder queues, as you will now also get a randomly chosen proxy.

Given that I do not have any actual solution to provide for this issue, I wanted to use this post as a platform to discuss about the new server changes under the context of pfindering in Raids. What do you guys think? Is this a necessary sacrifice for proxy specific servers?

winged copper Dec 23, 2024, 11:03 PM

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going to point to this from the noticeboard post

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not to shut down discussion but for context

ancient thunder Dec 23, 2024, 11:03 PM

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oh i was typign this before it was sent. woops.

thin minnow Dec 23, 2024, 11:03 PM

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There are basically only 4 worlds open atm and they are all full, the party finder will never pick them, but should be better once we scale up like

ancient thunder Dec 23, 2024, 11:04 PM

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gotcha. still makes me wonder how pfinder should work if it were able to choose these worlds

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cuz the last thing i want when going into a pfinder with 3 people who aren't running great builds and/or don't know what theyre doing is to also be connected to a server that's super far from where I am

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i can already see that being miserable to put up with when solo queueing, and would just drive me away from pfinder even more

thin minnow Dec 23, 2024, 11:06 PM

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honestly speaking its not like you weren't used to it at the moment lol, but due to the timezone difference, we strongly believe that you would be matched accordingly since when most EU people are active NA people are sleeping

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we need more data to see but as I said in the FAQ, we will change the approach as we see if it is needed

split echo Dec 23, 2024, 11:07 PM

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HeyZero the goat

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ancient thunder Dec 23, 2024, 11:08 PM

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thin minnow we need more data to see but as I said in the FAQ, we will change the approach a...

good to know! hopefully a good middle ground can be reached

analog wharf Dec 23, 2024, 11:12 PM

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only thing i wish for is for parties with any non-eu non-us players to be put in na servers, since thats where connection is less bad for everyone (in my experience with aus/asia/sa friends in games). all of a sudden having to deal with even worse ping sucks

weary raptor Dec 23, 2024, 11:29 PM

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ancient thunder FOR THE RECORD: I am well aware that this just came out. I am aware that things ...

first part with development is dumdum

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shouldn’t rease doggywater

ancient thunder Dec 23, 2024, 11:29 PM

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?

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what are you saying?

weary raptor Dec 23, 2024, 11:30 PM

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this should have been thought about alrdy

ancient thunder Dec 23, 2024, 11:31 PM

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???

weary raptor Dec 23, 2024, 11:31 PM

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and fixed

ancient thunder Dec 23, 2024, 11:31 PM

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this is irrelevant to the topic

weary raptor Dec 23, 2024, 11:32 PM

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not really

weary raptor Dec 23, 2024, 11:32 PM

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winged copper going to point to this from the noticeboard post

anyways I missed this so nvm

ancient thunder Dec 23, 2024, 11:32 PM

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... ok

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lime jackal Dec 23, 2024, 11:47 PM

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amazing

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... ok

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lime jackal Dec 23, 2024, 11:47 PM

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what the fuck is this bot even used for lmao

severe ginkgo Dec 23, 2024, 11:47 PM

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remarkable

ancient thunder Dec 23, 2024, 11:47 PM

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lime jackal Dec 23, 2024, 11:47 PM

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ancient thunder Dec 23, 2024, 11:48 PM

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ancient thunder Dec 23, 2024, 11:48 PM

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oh it's ".(something)"

lime jackal Dec 23, 2024, 11:48 PM

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ancient thunder Dec 23, 2024, 11:48 PM

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genius!

lime jackal Dec 23, 2024, 11:48 PM

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Bot censored me saying f u to it, 1984

mild swallow Dec 23, 2024, 11:54 PM

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I tried to ask if this would be an issue a few days ago but didn't get a concrete answer. The guild I'm a part of is mostly split between US and EU players, so this might cause us issues if half the party is having significantly worse ping issues than before so that the other half can have slightly better ping with each other. Potentially at random.

uncut badge Dec 24, 2024, 1:25 AM

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thin minnow There are basically only 4 worlds open atm and they are all full, the party find...

Scale up? What does that mean

severe ginkgo Dec 24, 2024, 1:27 AM

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uncut badge Scale up? What does that mean

add more [eu] servers

uncut badge Dec 24, 2024, 1:28 AM

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severe ginkgo add more [eu] servers

Oh! So wynncraft is indeed upgrading their servers! Maybe this time when Grian mentions wynncraft the servers won't explode ahahaha

severe ginkgo Dec 24, 2024, 1:29 AM

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adding more eu servers yeah

wispy anchor Dec 24, 2024, 2:47 AM

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i just queued blizzzard brawl in an eu server and no one cou dl do anything 😭

wispy anchor Dec 24, 2024, 2:48 AM

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thin minnow There are basically only 4 worlds open atm and they are all full, the party find...

this did nto happen to me :(

exotic tinsel Dec 24, 2024, 4:13 AM

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oof

noble loom Dec 24, 2024, 5:17 AM

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wispy anchor i just queued blizzzard brawl in an eu server and no one cou dl do anything 😭

Blizzard brawls just cooked today, idk whats wrong but it has been choking

wispy anchor Dec 24, 2024, 5:29 AM

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yeah

obtuse ferry Dec 24, 2024, 6:27 AM

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wispy anchor i just queued blizzzard brawl in an eu server and no one cou dl do anything 😭

peep #1162564880583381133 message

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💀

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(im bugging people to look into it)

noble loom Dec 24, 2024, 6:39 AM

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:(

obtuse ferry Dec 24, 2024, 6:42 AM

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noble loom :(

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server sided lag (you can see my ping in the bottom right throughout the whole thing)

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doesnt happen in any other content other than bb atm from my experience

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most blatant @2:36

noble loom Dec 24, 2024, 7:29 AM

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oh that

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yeah, im gonna assume u pinged people like socks n lex

wispy anchor Dec 24, 2024, 7:33 AM

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obtuse ferry

wait is this unedited 😭

obtuse ferry Dec 24, 2024, 7:34 AM

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wispy anchor wait is this unedited 😭

wdym unedited

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i sped it up lol

wispy anchor Dec 24, 2024, 7:34 AM

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ohi see

obtuse ferry Dec 24, 2024, 7:34 AM

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except for the parts where the lag is

wispy anchor Dec 24, 2024, 7:34 AM

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i thought it was like freezing and jumping around but yeah thats abt what i experienced

noble loom Dec 24, 2024, 7:34 AM

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game just chokes

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and like everything doesnt work, well a few things like i assume irlok hitscan punch does but

obtuse ferry Dec 24, 2024, 7:35 AM

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But yeah idk it's weird cause all other game content worked like normal in my experience

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Enderclaw did a raid after and no lag

noble loom Dec 24, 2024, 7:36 AM

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tbh the more i think the more it feels like a @winged copper ping thing or so

obtuse ferry Dec 24, 2024, 7:36 AM

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She knows already

noble loom Dec 24, 2024, 7:36 AM

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ah shit

obtuse ferry Dec 24, 2024, 7:36 AM

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I wouldn't have sent it here without sending it to staff discord first lol

noble loom Dec 24, 2024, 7:36 AM

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didnt something like that happen during beta

obtuse ferry Dec 24, 2024, 7:36 AM

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Idk

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It's not the same

winged copper Dec 24, 2024, 7:36 AM

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genuinely 0 clue

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if something changed its probably on the dev end

obtuse ferry Dec 24, 2024, 7:36 AM

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Cause this happened specifically when eu/na servers dropped

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It was fine before so dev thing prob

noble loom Dec 24, 2024, 7:37 AM

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its obviously choking on something we dont know so yeah, dev thing

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shit acts like as if theres not enough memory

wispy anchor Dec 24, 2024, 7:53 AM

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the blizzy blaster dosnt work well either but mostly everything else feeels fine

hexed mauve Dec 24, 2024, 8:17 AM

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imo once they scale up the eu servers, when queuing pfinder you should be able to specify whether you want to be paired with ppl from NA or not at a cost of longer wait times

wispy anchor Dec 24, 2024, 8:28 AM

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i think for raids thats fine but for minigames the queue might become too long if thats done

hexed mauve Dec 24, 2024, 8:57 AM

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that's why I'm suggesting a toggle

covert frost Dec 24, 2024, 10:30 AM

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winged copper genuinely 0 clue

if 4 ppl are in eu4, we will still get tp into a random server

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most of the time na server

merry jungle Dec 25, 2024, 10:44 AM

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I already hate eu server, the lag I get there is insane

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for the record im asian and na sever ofc is far more stable then eu

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 10:45 AM

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yeah im not looking forward to connecting to asia servers if they ever become a thing.

merry jungle Dec 25, 2024, 10:46 AM

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Yeah I can see that

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 10:46 AM

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my ping will be like 400 constantly

merry jungle Dec 25, 2024, 10:46 AM

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Now experienc what we always feel playing wynn for the past months

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 10:46 AM

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waaa noooo my good connection

noble loom Dec 25, 2024, 10:47 AM

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ill be honest the more servers we windup

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 10:47 AM

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but yeah idk this kinda sucks. randomly queueing into worlds with entirely different proxies really sucks when solo queuing from what i’ve done so far

noble loom Dec 25, 2024, 10:47 AM

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dont we get more problems like, we already were divided per guild to raid, and now with regional servers guild raids sounds like a mess

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 10:48 AM

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this extra layer of RNG to pfinder queues is the last thing pfinder needs, especially when this RNG factor can change the playability of the game at complete random

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you’re already getting random teammates with random builds, and god knows how much knowledge of the raid

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and then you can get a random amount of ping…? liiiike

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if you didn’t want people to queue raids on pfinder you couldve just removed the queue option Shrug

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im really not sure how this could be handled, especially if more proxies are brought into the mix. filtering out players in queues by proxies will remove a massive part of the MMO aspect and also make raids take WAY longer to queue in pfinder, graids would essentially be the only reliable way to get raids dine

severe ginkgo Dec 25, 2024, 10:51 AM

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lol people from NA experiencing the EU ping we've had for years

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 10:51 AM

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i mean it’s not only NA players, asia players are struggling even more than NA players on EU servers and it’s random whenever they queue into a pf

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like i get that the connection has been like this for a while, in fact im super glad that these servers are a thing!

severe ginkgo Dec 25, 2024, 10:52 AM

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ye it's not ideal

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 10:52 AM

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it’s just that there are some super apparent issues when jt comes to party finder queues

severe ginkgo Dec 25, 2024, 10:53 AM

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I suggested to zeer maybe the matchmaker should prefer to match people in the same region but slowly expand its tolerance if queuing is taking ages

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 10:54 AM

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i guess? seems awful for those who aren’t playing at peak hours for their timezone though as they’d be filtered into a low priority queue without doing anything wrong

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with how pfinder works (and how small the community is as a whole), filtering out pfinder queuers will make already minute-long queue turn into Overwatch 2 high elo queue timers

severe ginkgo Dec 25, 2024, 10:55 AM

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right. but what other option is there

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 10:55 AM

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Shrug hence my concern

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this whole situation just seems kinda unhealthy for pfinder as a whole

narrow osprey Dec 25, 2024, 10:55 AM

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thin minnow There are basically only 4 worlds open atm and they are all full, the party find...

i got placed into a EU server from my PF straight into a queue

noble loom Dec 25, 2024, 10:56 AM

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We really need guild alliance raidings and locked/same server raidings, soon

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 10:56 AM

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yeah, stuff like this limiting the playability of raids in pfinder queues should definitely be compensated with systems that increase the playability of pre-made parties

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people will be avoiding pfinder a lot more the more these servers expand

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and this is just one proxy out of like 2 or 3 other reasonable ones that might exist in the future

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each one will make pfinder progressively more random and thus less playable for the average player because it will be laggy such a significant portion of the time

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in content where players are meant to work together and play under the assumption that they can work as a team, having random players be randomly hindered by lag in random intervals really removes a lot of the integrity that raid parties have

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players will most likely have to carry teams more often because people will just lag out

noble loom Dec 25, 2024, 10:59 AM

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this is gonna be a rough one for wynn

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 10:59 AM

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agreed

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as happy as i am for people in other proxies, pfinder is just gonna slowly die out the more this continues

severe ginkgo Dec 25, 2024, 11:00 AM

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how can this be fixed

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 11:00 AM

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i really have no clue lol

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i dont think there is a solution

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it just seems like a side effect of these servers that pfinder will just be worse

severe ginkgo Dec 25, 2024, 11:01 AM

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idk I feel like regional servers are worth it but I'm also biased obviously lol

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 11:01 AM

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yeah as an NA player i’d prefer pfinder to be more consistent

noble loom Dec 25, 2024, 11:01 AM

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There is no real solution and can only be solved with better server choosing algorithms+like massively increasing playerbase to compensate for less players per region

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 11:01 AM

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would make for an interesting community poll though

severe ginkgo Dec 25, 2024, 11:01 AM

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I can definitely see both sides of the coin here

noble loom Dec 25, 2024, 11:02 AM

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or we go back to stone age

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We learned how good regional servers can be and gonna hurt whichever path we take to solve :(

severe ginkgo Dec 25, 2024, 11:02 AM

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Wynn actually had EU servers like a year or two ago

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random wynncraft trivia for you

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but they were buggy asf lol so got binned

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 11:03 AM

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really? huh

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but yeah idk… im not too fond of where this is going in a pfinder perspective

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generally speaking, i do believe that it is more worthwhile to have these servers, but as someone who semi-frequently pfinder queues when raiding, it does make me a little uneasy

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i think one of the better remedies is, as mentioned earlier, adding more functionality to raid queuing in 4 person parties, with things like graid raiding outside of everyone being in the same guild (alliance system stuff prob)

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because if people are not gonna pfinder as much, it might as well be more worthwhile to raid with your friends in premade parties

obtuse ferry Dec 25, 2024, 11:40 AM

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severe ginkgo Wynn actually had EU servers like a year or two ago

im pretty sure this was like 4+ years ago btw

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you are old..

icy bluff Dec 25, 2024, 6:06 PM

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severe ginkgo lol people from NA experiencing the EU ping we've had for years

ita not just "lol na players have been spoiled with good ping so lomg a couple ms delay rots their brains" the issue is that if you queue pfinder you will be playing the most mechanically intensive content in the game with highly variable input delay, bouncing between like 50-250 on a whim and that really fucks with people on stuff like watched

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 6:14 PM

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me trying to do parasite when connected to OCE servers (i killed every single one of my teammates with overtaken because i cant physically input the commands)

icy bluff Dec 25, 2024, 6:18 PM

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ancient thunder me trying to do parasite when connected to OCE servers (i killed every single on...

nah bro theres lag compensation wdym trol

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 6:19 PM

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pumpkin OH YAY!

icy bluff Dec 25, 2024, 6:19 PM

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if u fail parasite qte its skill issue trust

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 6:19 PM

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my bad, next time i'll be better at the game when i get connected to servers on the opposite side of the planet from me

weary raptor Dec 25, 2024, 6:25 PM

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real solution is built in delay

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modified per player so it is 500ms for everyone

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 6:25 PM

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??? hell no LOL

weary raptor Dec 25, 2024, 6:25 PM

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some lore reason for the delay, and the game designed around 500ms delay

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 6:26 PM

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that sounds insanely miserable

icy bluff Dec 25, 2024, 6:29 PM

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i love my mmos with a side of half second input delay

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genius!

ancient thunder Dec 25, 2024, 6:30 PM

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waiter! waiter! more input delay please!

icy bluff Dec 25, 2024, 6:31 PM

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guys if the issue is server swapping causing latency inconsistancy why not just make everyone lag at 200 ms all the time

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https://tenor.com/view/hog-exploding-exploding-hog-funny-idiot-gif-13702011850125732811

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weary raptor Dec 25, 2024, 7:47 PM

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:D how bad would it be if all the animations were a half second ahead

split echo Dec 26, 2024, 7:45 AM

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ancient thunder me trying to do parasite when connected to OCE servers (i killed every single on...

welcome to my world buddy

#pfinder in raids with the new server system is... sketchy