crude monolith
I feel like most the major ids that drastically change the playstyle of a class end up on fableds:
warden with lockdown
a-16 mortar i think idrk shaman
cherry bomb thing
so i think it'd be neat to give some more mythics really gameplay changing ids, sometimes they are a little murky in terms of "this one is damage and this one is a little less damage a little more sustain" so more major ids could give them a lot more character
balmy crag
Are we trying to be foxxo 2
gentle magnet
I feel like most the major ids that drastically change the playstyle of a class ...
balancing nightmare 😇
crude monolith
Are we trying to be foxxo 2
eys
but they have been throwing mythics some new major ids here and there
gentle magnet
that doesn't mean more should get ones that already exist lol
nulli was a very bland weapon to begin with, a major id was not unwarranted
this post is a suggestion too
crude monolith
nuh uh its constructive feedback
feedback suggestively asking that they should construct more major ids for mythics
😭
hybrid pier
my issue with having a lot of major ids on mythics is that it takes away from the identity of the mythic and often can take away from the intended playstyle, or even make it much stronger than it needs to be.
For example we can look at absolution. Does it need a major id? Absolutely not. It is intended for very high heals as a gameplay mechanic. Giving it a major id not only complicates the mythic much more but it also makes it more about the major id than the playstyle its intended for instead
Fableds are a good place for a majority of major ids because they are heavily disconnected from what is generally the intended playstyle of the class. Most go into gimmicks where you build entirely around the major id itself.
Are there some that work? Sure. The nulli major id works very well with the weapon as it is a generally tankish weapon to begin with (high ele defs, reflection, ls, and def). It didnt have much use because assassin in general is usually not a tanky class. This major id rewards the playstyle that would normally be (intended) used with nulli
I generally just dont think that a lot of major ids really fit the current state of mythics, for the sake of balance and what playstyles are generally meant to be used by the mythics
crude monolith
i mean there are certain mythics that i think have unique enough identities im not saying put one on al
like yea abso or lament are clearly healing weapons while something like warp is a qol travel weapon
hybrid pier
also a good amount of mythics already do have major ids
crude monolith
but then you get into stuff like gaia or singu where it's js exceedingly average with no like real distingushing feature, (ig gaia is meant to be mage melee but no one uses it) but i think cases like these a major id could rly help
gentle magnet
my issue with having a lot of major ids on mythics is that it takes away from th...
major IDs also oftentimes lock out the mythics/items from being used on certain archetypes because of their effects
crude monolith
also not every major id has to be life changing some can js be small improvements
like singu has the lore of being really heavy so maybe it could get vindicator's major id where it pulls drops in
gentle magnet
giving singu magnet lmfao
hybrid pier
that sounds like a nightmare
gentle magnet
GENIUS! THE MYTHIC IS NOW SAVED!
crude monolith
alternatively i think singu should get gravity well, prue kind of already has it's gimmick with being a super low level mythic with big spell damage
crude monolith
GENIUS! THE MYTHIC IS NOW SAVED!
ok it's still ass but like now u can pull in emeralds lmfao
gentle magnet
ok it's still ass but like now u can pull in emeralds lmfao
but what's the point in even making this change? it would be literally useless
that kind of change feels like an april fools joke
crude monolith
yea id lowk prefer putting gravity well on singu
i think im js saying like some mythics have really unique and playstyle defining stats / major ids but others are a lil murkier and more major ids could help their identity
identification for identity type shi
gentle magnet
i see where youre coming from but i think a lot of these mythics could just use some regular stat changes to be made more viable rather than overhauling their entire gameplay just for the sake of it
mythics in general are also just really hard to balance because of how diverse builds can be. it's very difficult to actually gauge the effectiveness of a given mythic to begin with
gentle magnet
ig the anni mythics help a lot with that
hybrid pier
when it comes down to it i dont think that major ids are the "solution" to bad mythics
gentle magnet
i'd understand giving new mythics some neat major IDs. works somewhat well with the anni mythics, albeit they almost all kinda just suck in their own sad ways, but with preexisting items it'd just be a balancing nightmare to actually make the major ID and then make it work properly without either 1) ruining the mythic entirely for no reason (Apocalypse), or just locking it out of being used by other archetypes just for a buff to the item itself depending on the effect of the major id
gentle magnet
when it comes down to it i dont think that major ids are the "solution" to bad m...
yeah p much
hybrid pier
i think it can work well sure (nulli for example) but it just complicates the playstyle from what it is already generally intended for (intention can be seen from the stats it has and where it performs)
give toxo plague mid fr (this will change nothing with the weapon as shaman has more than enough aoe to hit all of them to begin with)
gentle magnet
GENIUS
stiff elbow
I feel like most the major ids that drastically change the playstyle of a class ...
top ten silly
forest narwhal
give toxo plague mid fr (this will change nothing with the weapon as shaman has ...
This will affect the trout population
hybrid pier
This will affect the trout population
https://tenor.com/view/sandboxels-lightning-strike-lightning-strike-thunder-gif-10514529583638018632
marble storm
give toxo plague mid fr (this will change nothing with the weapon as shaman has ...
I HEARIN
late lark
idk as far as i can tell like 1/3 of mythics have major ids already
10/45 (weapons)
gentle magnet
about a fifth is a pretty healthy amount imo
late lark
honestly i see uniqueness/identity with most mythics, some could maybe use a major id to differentiate between other weapons
stiff elbow
most r boots anyways and making a mid with those would be muhc harder than with a weapon
gentle magnet
yeah dont do boots
stiff elbow
how many mythic weapons have mids out of all mythic wapons
late lark
10!
gentle magnet
honestly i see uniqueness/identity with most mythics, some could *maybe* use a m...
a lot of the rainbow weapons just struggle to find proper use
late lark
a lot of the rainbow weapons just struggle to find proper use
singu fanta and freedom are a struggle correct
late lark
10 FACTORIAL?! HOLY CRAP THATS SO MANY
Lets stay on topic!
cerulean moon
would be cool if bloodbath gets a major id, rn from the builds ive seen so far, thrunda is just a better option
late lark
alka is better as well!
forest narwhal
would be cool if bloodbath gets a major id, rn from the builds ive seen so far, ...
It gets the old apoc mid
stiff elbow
would be cool if bloodbath gets a major id, rn from the builds ive seen so far, ...
do NOT give bbath mid just make it have better qol stats or smth
rn its just more qol less dmg but the qol is 30 ws lol
cerulean moon
do NOT give bbath mid just make it have better qol stats or smth
rn its just mor...
yeah that also works
stiff elbow
its alr unique without a mid it doesnt need one 🥺
late lark
weathered mid needs some care
gentle magnet
lol weathered 🤣
stiff elbow
1.20 vanish 😔
stiff elbow
when bmonk gets reworked/more abilites itll be fine fr
me when the 3rd spell sucks for dmg 😔
gentle magnet
or some identity
mythic weapon with a def req try to be good challenge
stiff elbow
guardian is very good 🤓
late lark
when bmonk gets reworked/more abilites itll be fine fr
thrundacrack exists and its just always better lol
gentle magnet
DO NOT SPEAK THAT WEAPON'S NAME!
cerulean moon
idk its just kinda sad to see the rarest mythic for warrior is average when compared to 50le mythics (well more for a good id ig)
stiff elbow
thrundacrack exists and its just always better lol
womp womp :3
late lark
inferno needs some love as well now that nulli is for tanking and animosity is for hmelee
stiff elbow
the hpr is nice for bpact abuuse builds but its not ideal
inferno is fine its good qol compared to animosity
azure nimbus
mythic weapon with a def req try to be good challenge
monster is viable
gentle magnet
😐
late lark
monster is viable
🛌
gentle magnet
that weapon does negative dps
the only thing monster is viable for is softlocking raids during the boss if all your teammates die
that weapon is awful
late lark
idk the thing with fire mythics and air mythics is that their identity is mostly just: i'm unkillable hahaha and i'm super fucking fast lol
azure nimbus
the only thing monster is viable for is softlocking raids during the boss if all...
at least its better than guardian and ignis
gentle magnet
that does not mean it's viable
late lark
❌ ignis is not that bad
late lark
incredible
hybrid pier
fr lmfao
balmy crag
for each mid the at team would get an headache whenever they wanna change something up
crude monolith
https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/crafter/#1CP9u9BCPCP9u9b11
me when i hold the bow of endless agony
balmy crag
and probs cause more devtime
marble storm
https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/crafter/#1CP9u9BCPCP9u9b11
please don't leak the war tech,,,
late lark
anyways here is my list of mythics that could probably use something (mid or not):
singu, inferno, fanta, bloodbath, conv, freedom, weathered, gaia, toxo (lol), spring :(
theres some other mythics that compete for main playstyle that could be differentiated but thats a different issue
crude monolith
https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/crafter/#1CP9u9BCPCP9u9b11
im boutta mainhand this
crude monolith
anyways here is my list of mythics that could probably use something (mid or not...
yea these seem like good candidates if even 1/3 of these got mids it might make them more interesting although mids arent the solution for all
late lark
agree
balmy crag
Talking about jank can someone test negative lifesteal vulcan
low mica
but then you get into stuff like gaia or singu where it's js exceedingly average...
calling Gaia and Singularity "average" is a huge overexaggeration I hope you know that
forest narwhal
Gaia? Singu? Whats that
low mica
or js straight up bad lmao
Yeah they're straight up bad lmao. Gaia is usable if you completely destroy your ehp tho, it lets you shit out damage pretty well, but it's still just a worse Fatal or Quetz at that point tbh
formal torrent
(Make it so that Mythics have major ids that do what they actually do in their lore text 
)
(Cataclysm rips actual holes out of reality that damages enemies that walk through them and enemies can’t regen health)
quick lantern
Me when we all thought flashfreeze was gonna be a spring major id bc of its lore
formal torrent
(Make Weathered create copies of you that come from different timelines that repeat your actions moments after you perform them, all one after another)
(Make Monster turn you into a level 36 dungeon boss)
turbid locust
I feel like most the major ids that drastically change the playstyle of a class ...
https://tenor.com/view/warframe-arthur-arthur-nightingale-warframe-1999-1999-gif-4632106320046100632
crude monolith
lament plays crying sounds
barren bronze
Why is there no endgame item with flurry of blows
fathom birch
(Make Weathered create copies of you that come from different timelines that rep...
INCORRECT lore you will now be EXPLODED
formal torrent
INCORRECT lore you will now be EXPLODED
Why incorrect
Time Valley magic is wacky
Are versions of you from the past and future overlapping that unbelievable
fathom birch
so far as the lore says weathered doesn't actually have any. time warping capabilities.
formal torrent
So it’s just a regular sword
fathom birch
the most it says is that the magic in it gives it "no physical presence" which
is a little vague
rough wave
also a good amount of mythics already do have major ids
yet it's a lot of the ones that don't that visibly get used less
nulli major id is exactly the kind of stuff i'd like to see on some other mythics
formal torrent
(Make Weathered’s major ID cause the item to disappear when used)
(Permanently)
(From your inventory)
fathom birch
making that the hero major (it is no longer needed, and has moved to the next user)
hybrid pier
yet it's a lot of the ones that don't that visibly get used less
nulli major id...
see the other messages I sent in the thread 😁
rough wave
see the other messages I sent in the thread 😁
that's too much scrolling 😔
okay no it's not that far up
hybrid pier
my issue with having a lot of major ids on mythics is that it takes away from the identity of the mythic and often can take away from the intended playstyle, or even make it much stronger than it needs to be.
Are there some that work? Sure. The nulli major id works very well with the weapon as it is a generally tankish weapon to begin with (high ele defs, reflection, ls, and def). It didnt have much use because assassin in general is usually not a tanky class. This major id rewards the playstyle that would normally be (intended) used with nulli
I generally just dont think that a lot of major ids really fit the current state of mythics, for the sake of balance and what playstyles are generally meant to be used by the mythics
it works in some places but its not "the solution" to "bad mythics"
rough wave
i don't think it should be considered a solution but major ids post 2.1 have clearly shown the amount of changes they can make to a unique playstyle while not always forcing them
formal torrent
making that the hero major (it is no longer needed, and has moved to the next us...
That would imply that the player who was using Hero is competent and good at the game (impossible)
(Its continued existence within their inventory is a constant direct insult)
In other words just make Hero’s major id be “Disappear from your inventory when you get good at the game” and then just don’t add any code that does this whatsoever
fathom birch
it had always weirded me a bit that Hero threatened the possibility that it would simply. vanish.
glad that that conundrum has been sorted out
rough wave
they don't need one, i'm saying they can enable one
hybrid pier
fableds are a much better place for gimmick playstyles to be enabled in
rough wave
like, look at how replicatable bbath and spring are with crafteds
fathom birch
bloodbath yes
spring was made into more of it's own thing with the slow/weaken
rough wave
slow and weaken definitely gave it something back but for raw damage the fact remains, it simply enabled support spring
formal torrent
mythics dont *need* a unique playstyle
Yes the hell they do (/j)
Now add a mythic that lets you deal incredibly, disgustingly massive damage to any singular target in exchange of all your current health and mana
hybrid pier
ok?
its not a major id supporting either of those things which is the entire point of the thread here
🤨
formal torrent
Yes the hell they do (/j)
Now add a mythic that lets you deal incredibly, disgu...
(I know I’m saying this as a joke but I designed this weapon back in 1.19)
rough wave
no the point is that major ids would let them stand apart from any alternatives 😔
quick lantern
Yes the hell they do (/j)
Now add a mythic that lets you deal incredibly, disgu...
Bloodbath?
rough wave
as i've said before i don't think all of them need major ids necessarily but ones that have less presence like nulli clearly can get some niche playstyles back simply off of their major id giving them a reason to be played
barren bronze
as i've said before i don't think *all* of them need major ids necessarily but o...
Nully did get a MID tho
barren bronze
Ah alr
rough wave
aslong as the gimmick lies in stats you either get cases like warp where the alternative would be bare minimum -tp cost for mobility as offhand replacing it or it will stay strong in its own niche
and in cases like bbath where its gimmick is a stat, it is visibly debatable whether it's actually as strong as you'd expect when two cheap mythics can outdamage it at the cost of minor qol and building more ehp
even if major ids are disregarded it's simply a fact many mythics fall into the forgotten realm, fanta is a great example when its entire niche got replaced by PZ
which too is a fabled
balmy crag
Eh pz cant replace fantas eardrum exploder powers
rough wave
true true..
balmy crag
tho like we just need a bit more till fanta becomes so real
These flaming tongue buffs…
stiff elbow
arbalest uproot gun my beloved
forest narwhal
Fanta major id when
glossy sigil
Fanta major id when
the rain dance ability is now sizziling orange juice] :>
forest narwhal
Fire
radiant cypress
but then you get into stuff like gaia or singu where it's js exceedingly average...
give gaia mID that makes winded effect main attack dmg 🙏
frosty cedar
Just make the terrible myhics good
Like, from being a shaman, nobody uses Fantasia, Hadal, Sunstar, Aftershock.
the only shaman mythic's that are specifically used are Abso and Toxo.
the only actively used shaman mythic are Oly, Imo and Reso
But I would say that Oly is overshadowed by Panic Zealot sometimes
low mica
give gaia mID that makes winded effect main attack dmg 🙏
Winded is already going to affect main attack as part of rift Walker overhaul
low mica
Like, from being a shaman, nobody uses Fantasia, Hadal, Sunstar, Aftershock.
the...
Naw, people use Hadal with acolyte and it does good damage somehow
frosty cedar
Hadal is good for damage but it's too glassy to maintain
forest narwhal
Like, from being a shaman, nobody uses Fantasia, Hadal, Sunstar, Aftershock.
the...
Sunstar is for tstack
frosty cedar
It's meant for but I've never seen anyone use it
Also aftershock still does better I think
forest narwhal
Nah sunstar is better now i think
frosty cedar
Damage wise it might be better by like 20k dps, but it's gonna be way to glassy
forest narwhal
U have ws though
frosty cedar
tbh you are better off using Dawbreak and Panic Zealot
forest narwhal
Spellspam is only good if u have stable ping and good cps
Thats why people use epoch, one button mashing or hmelee
frosty cedar
I mean yeah people mainly use PZ for spell, but I'm saying that even panic zealot will do better at melee than sunstar
forest narwhal
Huh..?
marble storm
wtf??
frosty cedar
I mean, more ws, free spell costs, more healing?
frosty cedar
Dawg, do you not know it has like +15 attack speed?
frosty cedar
What the -HP?
balmy crag
sunstack probs outdpses cstack pz lmao
it doesnt need that much to beat it in general
frosty cedar
I doubt its any more viable though
frosty cedar
Ls on shaman basically is useless unless if you hit every beam
forest narwhal
But u do hit a lot of beams on tstack..?
frosty cedar
No?
forest narwhal
In addition, u can build more ls more on sunstar than pz since I dont see a lot of air items that has +ls
frosty cedar
Idk like most bosses that move slightly fast?
forest narwhal
Cmon name one
balmy crag
If u miss beams where is ur dps
frosty cedar
TnA and NoL are both hard bosses to hit with melee
forest narwhal
Alr, I'll try tstack sunstar later to test
balmy crag
Like, i dont get it
frosty cedar
Tcc and NotG are easy but
with TCC you are going to get 1 shot
NotG there is to much stuff to dodge so you won't have mana
balmy crag
You say about pz but thats exactly the same attack type with worse dps, and try to claim something that applies to both to just one…?
forest narwhal
Tcc and NotG are easy but
with TCC you are going to get 1 shot
NotG there is to...
Never in my life heard of that lmao
frosty cedar
What? Im saying that PZ dosent deal the same Damage as Sunstar, but most sunstar builds are less viable than PZ builds
forest narwhal
Nog only has the big worm to dodge, unless ur playing in pf
forest narwhal
What? Im saying that PZ dosent deal the same Damage as Sunstar, but most sunstar...
Huh..?
Ok whats ur tree on sunstar
frosty cedar
wouldnt it just be straight Ritualist that goes into Vengeful and Regen?
forest narwhal
Mhm, and does ritualist has built in ws?
frosty cedar
yes? but you are going to lose damage by switching into it no?
forest narwhal
Me when awakened?
frosty cedar
Fair
fathom birch
feel like part of the issue is that
hitting all beams means being at close range
shaman has crunchy ehp
being close range means you explode
frosty cedar
REAL
fathom birch
I was about to ask
was that a noticable difference
forest narwhal
Alr, I'll test it anyway
fathom birch
hang on why are we talking about shaman stealing stats anyway
isn't this the mythic thread
forest narwhal
Sunstar tstack
frosty cedar
I was just talking about how most shaman mythics are usless and that sunstar isnt good
fathom birch
what!! lunacy!
what mythics are useless that aren't toxo
if you tell me fantasia I'm gonna be having a bad day
frosty cedar
idk, the ones that don't even sell for a stack unidentified?
forest narwhal
It is good for braindead gameplay, but spellspam is better in this current updates
We will not talk about noob gun, that shit is outlier
I can see the problem in nol being parasite phase since that thing does shotgun stuff, but orphion if he is not charging I dont see how he can kill u that easily
balmy crag
its more of how rolling a good one takes so much
forest narwhal
its more of how rolling a good one takes so much
Gamba
fathom birch
idk, the ones that don't even sell for a stack unidentified?
by the looks of it, you're just short
lowest fantasia, sunstar, and hadal all seem slightly over 1 stack unID
which STILL makes me upset they're all delightful weapons
forest narwhal
Fantasia I can see that it is outclassed by pz
There is no saving fantasia unless maybe remove mr and ms id
Even then it is still mid
fathom birch
I mean
doesn't zealot still have a fraction of the base damage
and the
the uh
-3500 health minimum
frosty cedar
I think its also that Fantasia is Rainbow?
Makes it a bit more annoying to build around
balmy crag
fanta has the warp problem
where its very reliant on its rolls, so duds are just sold like dirt
forest narwhal
Goose gamble another warp and u get perfect warp
balmy crag
(well a bunch has this problem with cheap prices)
nu im happy enough with perf mr hpr
forest narwhal
nu im happy enough with perf mr hpr
Weak.
weak kayak
lol
weak kayak
No?
wtf is u on about
if u dknt hit every beam melee shaman is useless
so youd better assume ur hitting every beam
frosty cedar
Shaman melee is still useful if you don't land every shaman beam
It's that Ls NEEDS all beams to be effective
weak kayak
tf
that is not how math works
both are affected the same by missing a beam
difference is u don’t need all the lifesteal most of the time so it doesn’t even matter
but if u miss a beam or two ur damage is worse than morph the nothing
frosty cedar
Fair, it's just an issue of making a shaman melee build
stark furnace
fathom lark
