#Stupid mob discussion thread

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barren elm
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Uh lets just move it here

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Jesus why does it need to be a discussion of semantics I'd think you'd at least grasp the concept they aren't the same

jovial solstice
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I fail to see how you cant react to both

barren elm
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Firstly lets define react and prepare

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react can mean prepare if you stretch the definition far enough, which is what you're doing. therefore they are ending up the same. So we need a solid definition for both

jovial solstice
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Bro

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Its not that deep

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Let me google it for you

barren elm
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You are aware definitons are not solid and can change depending on everything. Anyway sure

jovial solstice
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Yeah well in that case anyone can skew its meaning to fit their point

barren elm
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I'd really rather we not argue semantics and instead actaully discuss stuff like the design of the mobs but uh sure

jovial solstice
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Which is literallt what your doing

barren elm
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How

jovial solstice
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Im failing to understand how the previous system was in no way reactive

barren elm
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I.. never said that.. jesus

I said it was more proactive

jovial solstice
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How

barren elm
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Plus regardless of this stupid stuff I also mentioned plenty of other differences

jovial solstice
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Okay explain how its more proactive

barren elm
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attacks would not have individual indicators, therefore attacks down the line of a combo must be prepared for instead of relying on a reaction

vestal fog
barren elm
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because by the time it has come out you likely dont have the time to react- instead you must act before the attack using your memory of the combo

vestal fog
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but i think old mobs suck because of that I'm not a fan of proactive gaming

jovial solstice
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Its the same shit

vestal fog
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mmm not really

barren elm
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as the kids say

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im tweaking out

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god help me

jovial solstice
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Listen

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One thing leads to another thing

barren elm
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thats the most vague description

vestal fog
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lmao

barren elm
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that can apply to

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LITERALLY ANYTHING

jovial solstice
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You see one spell you know another particular spell will occur

barren elm
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THAT IS THE EXACT DEFINITION OF EVENTS

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things happen

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is the most

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general shit

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I have ever heard

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please

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okay sorry

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rgaarhahrahrawa

jovial solstice
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If you boil it down its the same shit

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Your getting mad for what reason

barren elm
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... boiling things down is what makes things seem the same

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barren elm
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we're all made of atoms

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therefore I am a apple

jovial solstice
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Your acting like this is some intelectual conversation this is minecraft bro

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Calm down

barren elm
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You are aware telling someone to calm down is the worst way

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of getting someone to calm down

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source

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me

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wjieajpoidwjapiejapjeqpq

jovial solstice
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I literallt do not care

vestal fog
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old system one attack leads to an other and an other and an other new system a telegraph leads to an attack, pause, other telegraph, other attack

barren elm
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I think thats part of the problem

jovial solstice
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Your still reacting to that string of attacks

vestal fog
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yes

barren elm
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You're not reacting to each individual attack

jovial solstice
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You just gotta know waht that string of attacks is beforehand

barren elm
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though

jovial solstice
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You are

barren elm
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okay see

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this is the issue

jovial solstice
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Thats the whole point of memorizing it

barren elm
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we define reacting

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differently

vestal fog
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no you're proacting by memorising the attack string before hand, now you only memorise which telegraph is correlated to which single attack

jovial solstice
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A reaction is a response to an action

barren elm
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I define reacting as acting to a new stimulus, you define it as just taking an action

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okay but action is a extremely general term

jovial solstice
barren elm
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Oh

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here

jovial solstice
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How is action a general temr

barren elm
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The thing you are reacting to

jovial solstice
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An action is an action

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Okay

barren elm
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general means

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you can use it

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to define a lot of stuff

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its vague

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if I say I do an action

jovial solstice
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If i throw a soccer ball and a tennis ball at you consistently

barren elm
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you have no idea

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what that means

jovial solstice
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You know once i throw the soccer ball at you im gonna throw the tennis ball

vestal fog
jovial solstice
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Your still reacting to the tennis ball

barren elm
jovial solstice
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Pull theres still things you have to plan to before hand

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Lets take tcc graid for example

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You need to lure sword away from your teammates

barren elm
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that's an example

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of proactivity

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in the new system

jovial solstice
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Thats somethiny ou plan for

barren elm
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yes

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I didnt say there want

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wasnt

jovial solstice
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You need to kill the axons and not lwt them build up in the back

barren elm
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Im saying it was much more prominent in the old system

jovial solstice
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Whats wrong with a mix

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Im failing to see the issue here

barren elm
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It's a different level of complexity

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and dynamics

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or whatever

jovial solstice
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Its mot

barren elm
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yeah

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Okay so

jovial solstice
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Its just memorizing the shit

barren elm
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new proactivity

jovial solstice
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Youe just memorizing more still

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Shit

barren elm
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okay???

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thats still different

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and it makes a difference

jovial solstice
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Its not

barren elm
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in how you play

jovial solstice
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Its not like

barren elm
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and how it feels

jovial solstice
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Oh im gonna do this first then this second

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Its okay when he does this i know to do that

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Okay take tcc for example

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You can do thid

barren elm
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sure go ahead

jovial solstice
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First ill drag sword to the back then ill kill the axons on my way

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Your planning something out

barren elm
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okay?

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Yes

jovial solstice
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Before all your doin gis

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Oh this boss is doing this so i jnow what to do next

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Theres literally nothing proactive about it

barren elm
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But I could say writing down a schedule and getting stuff ready in my bag is planning. Does that mean playing tcc wynncraft and preparing a day of work are the same thing??

jovial solstice
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The only act of proactivity is memorizing the attack before hand

barren elm
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thats..

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proactivity

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...

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jovial solstice
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Thats not

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Its reactivity

barren elm
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yes it is

jovial solstice
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Your reacting to the boss

barren elm
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SEE ITS BACK TI DEFINITIONS

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AGAIN

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DAMN DEFINTIIONS

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urgh

jovial solstice
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Its not definitions

barren elm
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Yes it is

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we define proactivity and reactivity differently

jovial solstice
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Its not a matter of definitions

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No we dont

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Your literallt just skewing the definition to fit your point

barren elm
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anyway just because they can be both described with the same word

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doesnt mean they're the same

jovial solstice
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Bo

barren elm
jovial solstice
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Im using googles definition

barren elm
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You react to the sword

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by dragging it to the back

barren elm
jovial solstice
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Your not reacting to an attack

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Its something pre planned

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Its scripted

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It will happen

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What are you reacting to

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It floating in the air

barren elm
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Sure

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you see it

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it appears on your screen

jovial solstice
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Reacting to it will be it dropping

barren elm
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you react

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whats the difference

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both of them

jovial solstice
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Your being proactive by dragging it so that it doesnt

barren elm
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you look at a thing

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then you do an action

jovial solstice
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Look

barren elm
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that counts

jovial solstice
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Hold up

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Listen

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Listen carefully

barren elm
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wow so polite

jovial solstice
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You dont know what move the boss will initially do

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Your reacting to it

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When you see it

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It will happen

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You know sword will forsure happen at the start

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Your not reacting to it

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You know it will happen

barren elm
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..okay?

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so if I know what the boss will do

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then..

jovial solstice
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Are you genuinely stupid

barren elm
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thats being proactive?

jovial solstice
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Oh my

barren elm
jovial solstice
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Thats a pretty generous description

barren elm
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you're resulting to insults again

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sure you dont care

jovial solstice
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Okay axons

barren elm
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surrreee

jovial solstice
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You dont know when they are gonna spawn

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Thats reactive right

barren elm
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sure

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no

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how

jovial solstice
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He punches they spawn

barren elm
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whats reactive here

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what is the stimulus

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whats the response

jovial solstice
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The punch

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The response

barren elm
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response?

jovial solstice
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You kill them

barren elm
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thats reactive?

jovial solstice
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Yes

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Your reacting to an action

barren elm
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So then

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Sword lifts up

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or spawns

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I run to back

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thats reactive

jovial solstice
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No bur you know sword will proc

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You dont know when he will punch

barren elm
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okay so having prior knowledge is the difference here?

jovial solstice
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Thats literally your whole point

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Having prior knowledge of the moves so yoh know how to position etc

barren elm
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its more about

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how you use

jovial solstice
barren elm
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that prior knowledge

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Oh boy gif spam time

jovial solstice
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How are you using it

barren elm
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Okay so

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let me describe this

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For example

jovial solstice
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Your reacting to your availability heuristics

barren elm
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????

jovial solstice
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Sorry using

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Not to

barren elm
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you know that the boss will do an explode and arrow storm after the charge. So you will use that knowledge and before he does the explode move away and begin to strafe

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taking action

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to prevent a upcoming action

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you know when its gonna happen

jovial solstice
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Yeah your reacting to the arrowstorm

barren elm
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so its not reactive

jovial solstice
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Your responding to an action

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Thats literally a reaction

barren elm
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No

jovial solstice
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The action

barren elm
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because

jovial solstice
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The arrow storm

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The response move away

barren elm
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the arrow storm hasn thappened

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yet

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you are taking action

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beforehand

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wait

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so then

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how is moving to the back

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after knowing the sword

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will come

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not a reaction

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you react to the sword

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Please define your difference between a reaction

jovial solstice
barren elm
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and a proactive action

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You do

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thats the thing

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because you have memory

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of the combo

jovial solstice
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You dont know when he will charge

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Your reacting to his charge

barren elm
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you know when he will do the explode

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...

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jovial solstice
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The input text has too fee parameters

barren elm
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Shur up

jovial solstice
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All your saying is

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I know this will happens so when he does it i will do x

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Not to prevent x from happening i will do this

barren elm
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So proactivity is prevention

jovial solstice
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And even if it was the former it literally is just

barren elm
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then?

jovial solstice
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Strafe

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Wow

barren elm
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doesnt moving a certain way

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count as prevention

jovial solstice
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Riveting gameplay

barren elm
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preventing you from getting hit

barren elm
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to help you understand

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and you immediately use it to be insultive

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good job

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You're real nice

jovial solstice
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Okay give me a more exciting way of proactivity

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From a boss

barren elm
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then you'll say its too long

jovial solstice
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Nah

barren elm
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or dumb it down

jovial solstice
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Go ahead

barren elm
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give me a reason

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I should trust you

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or put in the effort to try

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if I know you'll brush it aside anyways

jovial solstice
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Wow dude he might possibly due this so ill stand 4 meters more away 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

barren elm
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Anyway keep in mind regardless of all this stupid semantics talk

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theres still other differences

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in attacks

jovial solstice
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Like

barren elm
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in how you avoid em

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etc

jovial solstice
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Wow dude i see white particles now i use tp 😱😱😱

barren elm
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Okay

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Why should I keep talking

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to you

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if you're gonna be like this

jovial solstice
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Now

barren elm
jovial solstice
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You know you still gotta move different according to attacks

barren elm
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....

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ofc

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ofc you generalise it

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the moment I try and use a SPECIFIC example

jovial solstice
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Oh my bad

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Sorry

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You have to move .2 centimeters more to rhe left before

barren elm
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Okay so

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okay nevermind

jovial solstice
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Shit my bad 😱

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Okay

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Give me an exmaple

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Or forever hold your peace

barren elm
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Again

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first you give me a reason

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why I should give a shit

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if you're gonna continue being a snarky baby about this

jovial solstice
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I mean your not really convincing me after talking about how our definitions dont align and how you have to move 2 centimeters more before and then you start crying when i point it out

barren elm
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Me when you dont read anything I've described

jovial solstice
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Ive read it

barren elm
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"I aint reading allat"

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your quote

jovial solstice
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Well that was very long

barren elm
jovial solstice
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But i did go read it

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So

barren elm
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thats you

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have fun

jovial solstice
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Yeah

barren elm
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have a good day

jovial solstice
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Its okay

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Sometimes we lose arguements

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Its fine youll live

barren elm
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:3

jovial solstice
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At the end of the day its just an opinion

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Dont get mad

barren elm
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:3

jovial solstice
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So are you like out of ideas