#Blizzard Brawl Official Feedback Thread

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cyan vale
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which lets you easily have enough time to see dr legendary's missiles and dodge

glossy yoke
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i've not done legendary or rickeo

cyan vale
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kid named irlok:

flat zodiac
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I just pick Who im worst with

glossy yoke
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is irlok bad now?

cyan vale
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yes

flat zodiac
cyan vale
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bugged is a better way to say it

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if he wasnt bugged he'd be good

glossy yoke
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this is the problem with wynncraft festival games

flat zodiac
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Irlock is good

cyan vale
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but rickeo still shuts him down

flat zodiac
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Its not as good as it was

glossy yoke
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the CT is constantly rebalancing, so the meta's constantly changing

cyan vale
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how is that a problem

flat zodiac
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Yeha i like that

cyan vale
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id hate it if you could run theorick hailey tom for the entire festival and win

flat zodiac
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I hated when irlock was a fucking walking Nike

orchid skiff
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irlok is bad since passive is dead

flat zodiac
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Nuke

cyan vale
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also btb the only real change was like

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executioner getting patched

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and then nerfed

orchid skiff
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but like, its damn fun

cyan vale
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and stalker getting nerfed

flat zodiac
orchid skiff
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yeah you stopped dealing damage but the kb portion wasnt nerfed

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so you now fling theoricks and such off

flat zodiac
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Irlock is all about throwing People off the map

glossy yoke
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i swear there's constant rebalance

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IG it's good

cyan vale
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counterpoint: theorick shield, dr li hover, rickeo shift, irlok dash, garwicks entire kit

flat zodiac
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Not anymore about doing damage

glossy yoke
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but it means that if you don't keep up with the meta you die

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is gawrick good now?

cyan vale
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yes

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he can heal with right click

flat zodiac
cyan vale
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his ult works

flat zodiac
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Gawrick is like a mosquito

cyan vale
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teleport can save you from being knocked off

orchid skiff
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me when i ult gawrick off, bro shifts back, 5harmony kick it back, then it teleports

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😡

flat zodiac
orchid skiff
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sending another irlok off is easier than sending a gawrick off

flat zodiac
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All gawrick does is be annoying

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And steal kills

cyan vale
orchid skiff
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and steal healing packs

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do not expect to have a functioning healthpack...

cyan vale
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also his ult combo'd with rickeo is crazy

orchid skiff
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on the brightside tom can shoot the pest down decently

cyan vale
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ive pulled many people into garwick ults

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very fun

flat zodiac
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You kill everyone

loud ravine
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is anyone elses games extremely laggy btw

cyan vale
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but you have to get people into the ult

orchid skiff
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a timed irlok ult also works but its rough

cyan vale
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which rickeo is good at

flat zodiac
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Thats true

orchid skiff
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talk about gawrick ult

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ur also dead if dr.L just uknow, shoots

cyan vale
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you're dead if you get pulled

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period

orchid skiff
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fr

cyan vale
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only exception is hailey ult

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but on second point you can still die via the billion kb

orchid skiff
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and whoever that can push people outa hiding spots better

cyan vale
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kid named rickeo grapple:

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from my experience thats the best one

orchid skiff
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my face when theres a gawrick ult at mid and i see a fireball and lasso

flat zodiac
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Honestly, the game is nicely balanced

cyan vale
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well

orchid skiff
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pls fix irlok i need health regen back, but aside of that

cyan vale
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theorick:

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he feels slightly too strong

orchid skiff
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shield uptime could go down yeah

flat zodiac
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Theorick Maybe need a nerf to the shield

cyan vale
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maybe slightly lower shield uptime or longer cd

flat zodiac
cyan vale
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it does

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it has health

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like 200-250

flat zodiac
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Really?

cyan vale
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yeah

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look above it

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but it never breaks

flat zodiac
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Yeha thats way too much

glossy yoke
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theo's shield needs to have smaller health

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and slower health decay

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so that you can actually cause a meaningful amount of damage with hits

flat zodiac
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I agree

orchid skiff
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it has a health but like, yeah

cyan vale
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maybe like

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80 hp and no decay

flat zodiac
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Nah some decay is fine

orchid skiff
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ok 80hp with a fatter hitbox than drL is a problem, gonna not exist lmao

flat zodiac
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150hp

cyan vale
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150 sure

flat zodiac
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With some decay

cyan vale
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maybe 15/s?

flat zodiac
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Good to me

cyan vale
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either that or take his damage down

flat zodiac
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Dr leg and Tom oneshot that, but i mean

glossy yoke
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my proposal is that, with player damage discounted from both ends, the lifespan of the sphere remains the same

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but its health is halved or something

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so that it's easier to damage

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so basically your suggestion

cyan vale
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so 125 hp?

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or smth

orchid skiff
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anyways did people enjoy irlok on the spawn bridge

glossy yoke
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somewhere there

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not like 300 or something

cyan vale
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irlok on spawn bridge is a bit too risky as the irlok imo

glossy yoke
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the problem is that a tom shotgun obliterates it

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idk if that's good or bad

cyan vale
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takes too long to get the harmony too

flat zodiac
cyan vale
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i prefer rickeo graple

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its so funny

flat zodiac
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With irlock

orchid skiff
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its fun :3

cyan vale
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you jump down and pull em like

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2 blocks

flat zodiac
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Spawnkilling

cyan vale
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but its just enough to take em off

flat zodiac
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Is so fun

cyan vale
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  • if they go mid you can still pull off
flat zodiac
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You can imagine the despair of People

orchid skiff
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peak degeneracy is like kick 1 off, ult another off, auto and kick 1 more off

flat zodiac
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Also im close to get the ice cube

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3 more stacks i need

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Or frags

tawdry zinc
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Active chat

pseudo sun
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i don’t get the second point

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reloading in any game that has guns in it are almost always going to make you vulnerable

orchid skiff
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obviously they want the gun Dr.L uses and its downgraded to

sturdy quartz
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although yeah. Tom is better to do the "i shot 1 bullet time to reload strat"

eager grotto
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nbl5r bhcrg. ggsc

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yeahh

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ttbw kk he jhf

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the uhhh

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ugh jv

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disregard that

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thanks

still idol
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thats what im saying!

prime vapor
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this guy gets it

tawdry zinc
tacit lodge
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What’s the equation for rewards

elfin garnet
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you are not farming 😇

orchid skiff
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just become a gawrick

elfin garnet
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fr

fading ether
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one change (15% > 10%) made him quite unplayable

dusty temple
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Don’t tell them this or they are gonna make rickeo charge stunlock also

dusty temple
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jesus how is the bird guy so good lmao

fading ether
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whos the bird guy

dusty temple
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nip nop

fading ether
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years of practice

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decades even

sturdy quartz
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he's decent at the class but god he's not the smartest when it comes to the actual gameplay

dusty temple
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i noticed i couldnt win when he shot me in the face when im gawrick

tacit lodge
fading ether
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awesome game

grand dust
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bwahaha

eager grotto
fading ether
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true

dusty temple
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i smell the same treatment did on irlok

grand dust
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i spawned in the void so had to dc :(

orchid skiff
flat zodiac
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the 2v3 did not went well

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(in particular with 200ms)

eager grotto
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rip

orchid skiff
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reminder you can aim upwards as irlok

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and uh...you can point blank/go inside theorick to kick him inside the shield :3

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combine this and you can send him off anywhere as long as theres a room :3 and uh 5harmoy

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@flat zodiac tom just counters my ass since i get bullets before getting to act :(

orchid skiff
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Oh im starting to remember why i love irlok

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Reminds me of mineplexs ctf/champions gamemode with a class that had shield bash

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And i loved using that…

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yes i also bought the bomb? Consumables and bashed people into them

spice cove
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can respawn timer

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please sometimes reset

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its not fun losing games because you have 7 second timer, and then 40 seconds later 9 seconds

fading ether
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it does reset after capturing a point

spice cove
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imo games shouldnt be decided by 10 second respawn timers

fading ether
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thats why end-point team wipes are musthave

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otherwise games would be 30 minutes long

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on 2-2

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and its aint fun

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if you run tanks/supports you want to try stay alive as much as possible if your team was killed

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as well as trying to be on the point to slow down the capture significantly

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if you're dps you want to try team wipes to come back

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imo, yes, doing kills early-point is not rewarding at all

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but it also gives you time to adapt to the new point and charge your ult

orchid skiff
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it only works since timers are real

fading ether
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ngl 5chi punch still feels hella rewarding just because people forget they can actually try to clutch the knocking off

orchid skiff
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i am begging for the balance patch which gives irlok his passive back...

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ye

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and you aim it upwards to send people above the walls

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(mainly theoricks)

fading ether
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rickeo and irlocks looking at lvl50 theorick using the bridge to get to the C site (worst mistake of his life)

orchid skiff
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the irlok experience is where you get kicked off, warscreamed off, kicked off again

grizzled dune
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what even happened

fading ether
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but hit me instead

grizzled dune
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how did he end up behind you from whip

fading ether
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so if you pull someone while being really close to them they will fly further

loud ravine
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mmm I love lag

fading ether
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rickeo counters tom

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play rickeo play rickeo!!

sour night
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guys is the rickeo counter another rickeo

cyan vale
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Then when they counter swap your rickeo go Dr legendary

sturdy quartz
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then they just go tom

eager grotto
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you know how all lifeforms evolve into crabs eventually

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all blizzard brawl classes evolve into tom

cyan vale
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Tom counter is a funny enough garwick

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you sit behind him and be Uber annoying

sturdy quartz
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the issue is garwick is kinda not a threat to everyone else

cyan vale
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counterpoint you don't need to be

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you just be a nuisance who occasionally drops like 40 damage in someone's face point blank while healing and chipping down others

opal zealot
sturdy quartz
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eh fair.

opal zealot
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Dude is super squishy and can be oneshotted by Tom shotgun

grand dust
eager grotto
orchid skiff
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Balance patches must happen :D

elfin garnet
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womp

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sorry I'm busy playing merge farm valley

elfin garnet
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me when I lie

cyan vale
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one day Dr legendary will be patched

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and tom nerfed

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and theorick nerfed

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and insert every other problem here

elfin garnet
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dr patch will surlt make his rmb damage reasonable

cyan vale
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or at least consistent

elfin garnet
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as ij not 14 dmg for the worst projectile in the entirety of wynn

cyan vale
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id be fine with like 20-25 direct shot and 8-14 for explosion

outer tulip
elfin garnet
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I think all of the sillies here were not as disappointing as good jamp fatigue detection being stripped away from us 3 days into release(which I get was unavoidable bc wynnjank or smth but still 😭 )

elfin garnet
cyan vale
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Also theorick maybe some nerfs to everything

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-1 dmg lcm, longer spear CD, lower shield uptime

fading ether
elfin garnet
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the kb makes me explode :(

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I could just use my brain and wait for them to use it on someone else and ten go in b that requires 2 brain cells

prime vapor
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be sure to keep hover charges in reserve

elfin garnet
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no i dont die to the kb it just cancels lmb smash :(

cyan vale
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pov Hammond vs orisa

eager grotto
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sorry I haven't been pumping out the patches guys

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I got kinda burnt out

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sorry yall

cyan vale
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it's all good

grand dust
cyan vale
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I've insta killed toms before like that

grand dust
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oh

cyan vale
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ive heard it's smth to do with direct hits

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But I don't think a direct hit is intended to do like 60+ damage

prime vapor
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Point blank hits I think it was

cyan vale
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yeah kinda wacky

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also very scary

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but if you have movement just save it for post mech transformation and it's gg

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unless irlok

grand dust
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IT STILL DOESNT WORK!!!! @glad basin

vocal palm
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i am working on it sorry

elfin garnet
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that is how it works tho

elfin garnet
loud ravine
orchid skiff
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surely u can axe a good portion of gawricks regen and give irlok his passive back...

elfin garnet
glossy yoke
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i got the killection agency achievement four times in one tick

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would have taken a screenshot but pressed f1 instead

elfin garnet
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🤯

glossy yoke
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rickeo needs a nerf

cyan vale
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note that he is currently dealing less than he should be

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:)

spice cove
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this game will go away before bugs are fixed

cyan vale
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btb flashbacks

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ngl suprised i enjoyed btb as much as I did considering how unplayable it felt sometimes

prime vapor
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post number 288 complaining about how finnicky jump fatigue could be

fading ether
cyan vale
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well it is kinda valid

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rickeo goes crazy

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but he can have it cause hes melee gaming

fading ether
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if you wont let rickeo close distance between you and him hes pretty much useless

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theorick, tom, gawrick, irlock, rickeo

cyan vale
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rickeo shift and lasso saltroll

fading ether
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yeah but if rickeo uses them to close distance hes nude before the fight

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only if you shift/lasso to ult

cyan vale
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irlok and theorik have two options: fight in melee or ignore him

fading ether
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theorick can just harass him inside the barrier

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and constantly throwing away with javelin

cyan vale
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except if you miss one javelin you're dead

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if he gets into your bubble you're cooked

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literally

sturdy quartz
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tom on the other hand for rickeo is just hell

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what can rickeo really do with the range tom has? hope tom goes close range

dusty temple
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I feel the classes i could play is reducing as time goes on

glossy yoke
dusty temple
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Gawrick removed selfhealing now i only get theo tom maybe dr leg to use and I don’t even main any of them

glossy yoke
fading ether
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only real exceptions are irlock and drl

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otherwise you want to have an escape

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as tom you want to save 3-4 bullets to jump away

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C site is the easiest in escaping as you have short walls that you can jump over

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second site is open so rickeo have to risk to get to you

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third site is tough because rickeo is really good on it

fading ether
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but if rickeo focuses you specifically and your kit is on cooldown then yeah

cyan vale
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and a very generous hitbox

elfin garnet
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even on dr li u still gotta chip the rickeo first bfore givng backshots or jsut hit like 3 direct hits ina row

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otherwise yo mech gets melted and u gotta escape with heli

orchid skiff
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if you ever see an rickeo use the dash to get in, just kick it off as an irlok

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its really funny :3

loud remnant
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(thankfully not my ss but its wild lol)

orchid skiff
loud ravine
cyan vale
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pov dr legendary dropping 10 on you at once

loud ravine
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Dr legendary has the slowest firespeed in the game

cyan vale
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except he drops directly on top of you

loud ravine
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The only reason it seems like a lot is the extra damage comes in the form of extra explosion

cyan vale
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and all of a sudden he stops caring about firespeed

loud ravine
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??? Firespeed still limits damage regardless of range

cyan vale
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except he can fire a shit ton of explosions at once

loud ravine
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Tom has much higher firespeed and does like 15 per shot

cyan vale
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via something

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i have no idea how specifically

loud ravine
cyan vale
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but ive done it many times before and have had it done to me many more

loud ravine
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I've played Dr legendary I know the bug

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Direct hits set off like 4 explosions

cyan vale
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ok yeah thats not exactly fair

loud ravine
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Which is the large amount of damage

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And that requires Dr legendary to either hit the slowest projectile in the game

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Or be close

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With mega slow movespeed

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Just bait out his initial mech form

cyan vale
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ok what exactly are you tryna say here

loud ravine
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That its not op

cyan vale
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counterpoint: it is

loud ravine
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Wow

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Such a strong arguement

cyan vale
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he should not be able to melt a theorick from full to none

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and he has pretty good movement

loud ravine
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Tom can do that

cyan vale
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you can react to tom

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you cant react to a dr legendary dropping directly on you in mech form

loud ravine
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You can react to Dr legendary slowly approaching you

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Or move away when he's doing his fly

cyan vale
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except only a braindead dr legendary is gonna do that

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oh boy let me walk in a straight line and mech in front of them

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and telegraph when exactly im about to drop a mininuke via bug abuse

loud ravine
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Yeah and you'll only be able to melt a theo if theo is standing still

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Most of the time he walks out of his shield and your projectiles are stopped

cyan vale
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yeah no there is a 0% chance you can convince me that he should keep the ability to one shot like the entire roster

loud ravine
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He doesn't though

tawdry zinc
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active thread

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UNLIKE bb

cyan vale
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ender whats your opinion

tawdry zinc
cyan vale
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is dr li mininuke balanced

tawdry zinc
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like dr li needs the mech rlb

loud ravine
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He can get like 2 or 3 shots

tawdry zinc
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cus it SUCKS without the bug

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slow ass projectile

cyan vale
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yeah thats kinda more with the fact that theorick is crazy

loud ravine
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Before the enemy can walk out

tawdry zinc
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with its intended dmg being ass cheeks

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well also that

cyan vale
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you can run theorick into any comp and he works

tawdry zinc
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i might as well say it here

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but dr lis overheal applying

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should be 5 bloccks

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tbut it isnt

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so its like WAY better then it is rn

loud ravine
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Also for Dr legendary to get in he needs helicopter he needs to hit his initial right click

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You can rush him then

tawdry zinc
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while that is like an actual problem

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dr li needs mech rclick

loud ravine
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Well not rush

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But like

tawdry zinc
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the dmg rather

cyan vale
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if you just perfectly counterplay this character hes not a problem

tawdry zinc
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its so hard to hit

loud ravine
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Murder him

cyan vale
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why didnt i think of that

tawdry zinc
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unless you get up in them

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with heli

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or timing

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like

cyan vale
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yeah id say just make his right click faster but drop the damage a bit

tawdry zinc
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if i were to fix bug i would double and then some the direct hit dmg

cyan vale
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keep the direct hit but make it consistent

tawdry zinc
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maybe buff the aoe dmg

loud ravine
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The damage i think is fair for how hard it is to hit

tawdry zinc
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then it should be better

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yeah

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its hard to hit as balls

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either make it easier to hit and lower dmg a bit

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or vice versa

loud ravine
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I like how hard it is to hit

tawdry zinc
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i prefre the latter tho

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it feels nice to land hits

loud ravine
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Yeah

cyan vale
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maybe make it slightly faster

loud ravine
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I agree

tawdry zinc
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you gotta get up in there face

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and ya know

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tank

cyan vale
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also make it consistent big damage

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not sometimes doing jack all

loud ravine
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I like that irs not consistent

cyan vale
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like id be fine with like 30dmg direct hit

loud ravine
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Like in terms kf

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Varying from if you get direct hits or not

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If its all consistently good then it's boring

tawdry zinc
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wdm consistent

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the hitbox?

cyan vale
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yeah

tawdry zinc
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i mena

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its ok

loud ravine
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It's been pretty consistent to me function wise

tawdry zinc
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its uncommon i miss shots that i felt i should of landed

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unless its aoe

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thats a bit diff

cyan vale
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also i still feel like even with the difficulty

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it shouldnt be doing ult levels of damage

elfin garnet
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it's so ducking bad yeah

tawdry zinc
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ducking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

elfin garnet
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autocorrct..

tawdry zinc
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tanks are really strong rn

elfin garnet
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u literally have to predict or corner peek so hard

tawdry zinc
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rival irlock rn lmao

cyan vale
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theo is a diff problem altogether

tawdry zinc
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in terms of dps

cyan vale
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hes just crazy

elfin garnet
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or just tike the kb for backshots or smth it's so hard to use

tawdry zinc
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CRAZY theo

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mhm

loud ravine
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I like the slow projectiles speed and firespeed because it makes him suck if he stays in mech form too long

cyan vale
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and theos hitbox on his left click

loud ravine
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It encourages swapping

cyan vale
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what the fuck is that

tawdry zinc
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yeah

elfin garnet
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like u kb into them and then attack when u inside them

tawdry zinc
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you need to swap

cyan vale
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its gigantic

tawdry zinc
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bug benefits it esp too

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but also like

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5 block range i imagien SUCKS

elfin garnet
tawdry zinc
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gotta be right next to them

cyan vale
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can we have theo 'bugged' like rickeo and just drop all his damage

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8 to 6

elfin garnet
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mech being slowish is fine and cool

cyan vale
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spear longer cd

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shield half health

elfin garnet
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just needs to he good

loud ravine
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It's fine rn

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Imo

cyan vale
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says the dr li main

loud ravine
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Yeah high skill ceiling or floor or whatever

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That's cool

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I think

cyan vale
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i mean me personally id say the stuff i like is perfectly balanced even if its broken cause i enjoy it

tawdry zinc
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good lis will land hits nad nuke shit

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bad ones will just get lucky

cyan vale
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the counterplay to dr li is few in number

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well not that few

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a majority of the cast can deal with him

loud ravine
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Once he's escaped

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Or out of it

tawdry zinc
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tom and rikeo can

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theo is just annoying

cyan vale
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yeah sure lemme go kill the dude with mininukes in melee as the melee character

tawdry zinc
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gawrick too

loud ravine
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If he doesn't kill everyone with his mech form usage he's cooked until he gets his mech recharged

cyan vale
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hover:

loud ravine
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Hover has a big cd

cyan vale
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except it'll be done by the time you're done with mech

loud ravine
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?

cyan vale
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unless you dropped into a rickeo fireball right after flying over

loud ravine
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Wait mech or non mech hover

cyan vale
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non mech

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you get dropped out of mech oh no

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land a few shots and just leave

loud ravine
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He won't have it

cyan vale
#

and come back later

loud ravine
#

Because he used it to get in

cyan vale
#

counterpoint: what if he didnt

loud ravine
#

Recharging it isn't quick enough

tawdry zinc
#

the key with mech

cyan vale
#

esp at like mid point he can just go over the wall via mech hover

tawdry zinc
#

hold on let me look at swap cd

loud ravine
cyan vale
#

its 3s iirc

tawdry zinc
#

oh

#

anwyays

loud ravine
#

I'm talking about the health of the mech

tawdry zinc
#

3-5 seconds in any given form

#

unless your picking a kill

#

giving temamates that overhealth is nice

cyan vale
#

the big thing is that from my experience its not really fun to play against a dr legendary

loud ravine
#

I do think the overhealth could be merged

#

Nerfed

tawdry zinc
#

and saving your intregity is good

#

never get to 0 if u can

#

shits awful

cyan vale
#

who likes fighting the guy who can nuke you in melee

tawdry zinc
#

drastically increases your lifespan

tawdry zinc
#

i get that

#

i dont like fighting them AS dr li

elfin garnet
#

me too :3

cyan vale
#

tho i suppose that also applies to rickeo

tawdry zinc
#

it isnt 5 blocks its like

#

way bigger

cyan vale
#

rickeo is super unfun to play against

tawdry zinc
#

so u can spam hp to everyone

#

every 6 seconds

elfin garnet
#

it's basically infite lol

tawdry zinc
#

mmmmh mostly

#

it drains faster

loud ravine
#

Tom is unfun to play against

#

Nor is gawrick

cyan vale
#

but he has so much counterplay

tawdry zinc
#

5 drained per second

cyan vale
#

gawrick is also not that large of a threat

tawdry zinc
#

gawrick can be

loud ravine
#

Well we're just talking purely fun

cyan vale
#

tom can be countered by like all but 2 members of the cast

tawdry zinc
#

under the right circumstnaces

#

just being a mosquito

#

dps would try to take down

cyan vale
#

and one of the 2 members that cant counter him is hailey

#

and who finds hailey fun

tawdry zinc
#

bringing attention off of your own dps or tank

cyan vale
#

theorick shield

#

another tom

tawdry zinc
#

like full counter?

#

cus like

cyan vale
#

not full

#

but has counterplay

tawdry zinc
#

oh

cyan vale
#

hailey has 0 counterplay to tom

tawdry zinc
#

dr li has some

#

gawrick too

#

you just play it safe

#

whittle down

cyan vale
#

gawrick from my experience is the best

tawdry zinc
#

both can do that well

cyan vale
#

you just make them lose their mind

tawdry zinc
#

endurance fighting

#

:)

#

TRUE

#

then they solo ult you

#

shits funny

cyan vale
#

rickeo you just drop on them via shift and mug them

loud ravine
cyan vale
#

irlok just dont let em see you go up

loud ravine
#

Then technically another Dr li counters Dr li

cyan vale
#

eh

tawdry zinc
#

i mean they alr can

cyan vale
#

its a 50/50

tawdry zinc
#

if u

#

get your leap after there leap

#

easy direct hit

cyan vale
#

see who lands more mininukes

tawdry zinc
#

to drain there mech

#

suit

loud ravine
#

Yeah

cyan vale
#

tom you can just outskill another tom

#

2 li's brawling is rng

loud ravine
#

How does Tom counter for tom be less of a counter for Dr li on Dr li

#

Eh

cyan vale
#

because li counter is pray that you land your rockets first

#

tom is pure skill

tawdry zinc
#

not pray

cyan vale
#

real

tawdry zinc
#

drl i vs dr li is like

#

actually skill

loud ravine
#

Yeah

tawdry zinc
#

cus there slowa s fuck

#

and bigger hitbox

#

so you can like

#

time hits

cyan vale
#

depends on how you take the fight

#

theres the smart way of actually dueling

tawdry zinc
#

its not spray n pray

cyan vale
#

but thats kinda a waste of time

tawdry zinc
#

human form to chip there mech

cyan vale
#

or theres jump directly on them

loud ravine
#

Also its like, whoever uses their left click (both of them) more effectively

tawdry zinc
#

switch if they approach

#

or get a leap in

#

etc

cyan vale
#

its like in overwatch terms ball vs ball

loud ravine
#

Also utilisation of teamwork using the overheal

cyan vale
#

and widow vs widow

tawdry zinc
#

ballin

cyan vale
#

ball vs ball is more mechanics

#

widow is just who can aim better

tawdry zinc
#

since bugged

loud ravine
#

True

tawdry zinc
#

if it were fixed then yeah theres more teamwork

#

5 blocks seems super tiny tho

#

but maybe it would feel more fair

loud ravine
cyan vale
#

thats what im saying

#

widow vs widow is the tom vs tom

#

ball vs ball is the li vs li

loud ravine
#

I don't know overwatch

#

Stuff

cyan vale
#

widow has a sniper rifle

#

ball is a wrecking ball

#

with absurd movement

elfin garnet
#

yeah overwatchjs NOT in the Bible idk kt vo

#

but I get wha u saying

cyan vale
#

whats a good comparison

#

hmm

loud ravine
#

I skipped overwatch class in school I'm sorry yall

cyan vale
#

whats a good wynn comparison

tawdry zinc
cyan vale
#

acroshade vs acroshade

#

if you can imagine it

loud ravine
#

Uhhhhh

#

Sorta

tawdry zinc
#

what is this pvp

cyan vale
#

yes thats a build

#

the legendary acroshade

tawdry zinc
#

i dont think that is a good comparasion as you think it is

#

pvp wise

loud ravine
#

Pvp is just

elfin garnet
tawdry zinc
#

acro v acro is just flying

loud ravine
#

Chaotic spam

tawdry zinc
#

hunted mode is not a good compariasion

#

not chaotic

#

its controlled chaos at worst

loud ravine
#

Acro vs acro in like housing is like

tawdry zinc
#

source i am hunted violence user

loud ravine
#

Whoever gets higher

tawdry zinc
#

yeah

cyan vale
#

thats why i said acroshade

tawdry zinc
#

ok but then its just

#

vanish and wait

#

and guess

cyan vale
#

yeah but its movement based

loud ravine
#

It's just like

cyan vale
#

idk how that icoer did it

loud ravine
#

Uhhh

cyan vale
#

but he made acroshade work

loud ravine
#

Idk lmfao

cyan vale
#

ok basically ball is like

tawdry zinc
#

next up: arcbender

cyan vale
#

hypermovement

tawdry zinc
#

(can arcbender get better PLEASE)

cyan vale
#

but has to manage his one slam cd very well

#

hi lexnt

vocal palm
#

sorry nothing is allowed to be good ever

elfin garnet
#

womp

cyan vale
#

can we get arcbender

#

for sure

vocal palm
#

what are the biggest issues currently plaguing the game

tawdry zinc
#

uhhhhhhh

cyan vale
#

final arcanist node removes chaos explosion and gives you lightweaver

vocal palm
#

i can see if i can sort some of them out in a hotfix

tawdry zinc
#

i am biased but

#

tom shotgun

cyan vale
#

most can agree

tawdry zinc
#

it has no falloff

#

dmg maybe cna get nerfed a tad

cyan vale
#

rickeo's entire kit doing less than it should

tawdry zinc
#

^

#

but if buffed it might be a bit strong

vocal palm
tawdry zinc
#

oh irlocks bugs

cyan vale
tawdry zinc
#

irlock kinda is just there

#

worst dps

#

now

vocal palm
#

did the dash momentum stop bug not get fixed already

tawdry zinc
#

imo

elfin garnet
#

the fire smg js bugged basically

tawdry zinc
#

not that i know of

vocal palm
#

mm

tawdry zinc
#

but i havent queued becaues no one is palying

#

:(

#

i still need one more achievement

#

and ites easy

cyan vale
#

this one

#

lists all his problems

vocal palm
#

link ?

cyan vale
#

i cant figure it out :(

#

lemme find it

vocal palm
#

i dont want to go scroll for it

tawdry zinc
#

goober

cyan vale
#

got it

#

heres the tldr

vocal palm
tawdry zinc
#

the bug

cyan vale
tawdry zinc
#

besides that

#

there fine

#

i think

cyan vale
#

also i heard that his self heal does like nothing now

tawdry zinc
#

just fix that so i see more irlock ppl

cyan vale
#

aka ive seen goosecore complaining for the past week

tawdry zinc
#

didnt it went from 5 to 3

#

but theres alos the vertical height nerf

cyan vale
#

well his airtime also got giga nerfed

#

yeah

vocal palm
#

mm there may be issues with that

#

sigh

tawdry zinc
#

as long as there sustain isnt beter the nlike

cyan vale
#

also the imo biggest one

tawdry zinc
#

rikeo

#

i think its fine

cyan vale
#

theorick is scary

tawdry zinc
#

surely its not THAT bad

cyan vale
#

he does like way too much

tawdry zinc
#

oh yeah theo

vocal palm
#

theo does too much probably yeah

cyan vale
#

and is way too tanky

vocal palm
#

i saw a mention of lmb hitbox being too big?

cyan vale
#

yes that

#

ive been like entirely behind walls

#

and it clips me

vocal palm
#

ok

cyan vale
#

maybe just fixing that would nerf his damage enough

#

tbh its not that bad

#

quite playable still

tawdry zinc
#

its annoying

vocal palm
#
  • fix irlok dash (momentum stops)
  • nerf theo damage a little (just lmb probably. reduce hitbox size?
  • give theo a slight hp nerf perhaps. maybe like -10
  • rickeo thread
  • tom shotgun has no falloff (maybe just has too much range)
tawdry zinc
#

not the main issue

#

yeah

#

i would mention Dr Li but

#

that needs more dev time

#

probably

vocal palm
#

ive heard the mech rmb is weird

cyan vale
#

yeah a hotfix for li might just obliterate him

tawdry zinc
#

mhm

cyan vale
#

its like if you direct hit

tawdry zinc
#

and i dont want that

#

when theo is like this

cyan vale
#

it launches a shit ton of fireworks

#

but if he doesnt have that then hes like useless

tawdry zinc
#

yeah basically

vocal palm
#

i dont really like that its so strong in one specific circumstance

tawdry zinc
#

the concept i like

vocal palm
#

i think id much rather fix that bug and just buff it generally

tawdry zinc
#

mech rmb is ass

#

slowest projectile

#

you need to predict to aim

vocal palm
#

it already is meant to do extra damage on direct hit

tawdry zinc
#

or get in there face

vocal palm
#

its not meant to explode fifty times

cyan vale
#

oh that isnt listed i dont think

tawdry zinc
#

yeah but like

elfin garnet
#

if u fix buff. rmb to like 30 dmg max it's not worth if it does like 15

tawdry zinc
#

hold on let me look at the intended dmg

vocal palm
#

is it not

elfin garnet
cyan vale
#

im cooked

vocal palm
#

i swear it was

cyan vale
#

reading allegations

elfin garnet
#

8 dmg on direct 6 aoe

#

iirc

vocal palm
#

that is pitiful

tawdry zinc
#

yeah

#

14 dmg is NOT worth it

cyan vale
#

8 dmg!!!

elfin garnet
#

like it's so shit to it

tawdry zinc
#

double it at least

#

16 direct

#

6 aoe

#

22 total

elfin garnet
#

base fork is better if bug gets fixed

cyan vale
#

what if you were theorick and just left clicked twice

#

and outdamaged that

tawdry zinc
#

and easy as hell to aim

vocal palm
#

base fork?

elfin garnet
#

base dr li laser rmb

#

I mean

tawdry zinc
#

there gun

elfin garnet
#

on mobile

vocal palm
#

right

tawdry zinc
#

mini machine gun

#

with laser

#

that

#

does more dmg

#

more range

#

instant

cyan vale
#

oh whats the machine gun bug

vocal palm
#

how much does the bugged explosion do rn

tawdry zinc
#

oh none

#

im just comparn

tawdry zinc
cyan vale
tawdry zinc
#

it isnt consistent

cyan vale
#

a lot

tawdry zinc
#

it can be like

#

20 to 50

#

per direct hit

vocal palm
#

hm

tawdry zinc
#

depends on the amount of fireworks

elfin garnet
#

if jt was like 30 it would be fine

#

or like 25 mabye idk

vocal palm
#

my thinking is like

#

20 direct 10 explosion but thats maybe too much

tawdry zinc
#

15 direct 10 explosion

#

cus also

#

explosion aoe is like

#

3.5 blocks

#

pretty small

vocal palm
#

no, direct should be higher

#

like

#

it should reward you for getting direct hits

tawdry zinc
cyan vale
#

i feel like 30 total combined is pretty good for a direct

elfin garnet
#

^^

tawdry zinc
#

evne if it was that goes into the possible issue i see with the intended range being 5 blocks but thats a diff thing

#

yeah

cyan vale
#

ok its midnight i go eepy

elfin garnet
#

gn

tawdry zinc
#

GOOD night

cyan vale
#

buh bye y'all

vocal palm
#

im thinking about it

tawdry zinc
#

the thinker

vocal palm
#

and im wondering if possibly i made the explosion bug by accident

#

when i fixed the projectile going super slow

tawdry zinc
#

LEXnt was paid off by big Li....

vocal palm
#

i think thats totally what happened. lol

elfin garnet
#

I think it was alr bugged before that but I could be lying

vocal palm
#

i need to confirm but

tawdry zinc
#

thats so silly

tawdry zinc
vocal palm
#

yeah cause it

tawdry zinc
#

if itwa sbuged b4

#

so there prob right

#

lex is*

elfin garnet
#

I remember it being mentioned like first or 2nd day kf rleeass

vocal palm
#

would run multiple movement ticks at once if server lags enough

#

so it 100% would explain inconsistency too

vocal palm
elfin garnet
#

yeah

tawdry zinc
#

ah

#

that explains it

vocal palm
#

ok. incredible

tawdry zinc
#

MR incredible

vocal palm
#

sorry guys herbert slipped me a 20 so i had to buff him

tawdry zinc
#

i will call qira to beat him up again

#

and THIS time she wont have a cold

#

(God i love hive drabbles)

prime vapor
elfin garnet
#

no more hive drabbles selvut gone womp womp

#

they were cool

prime vapor
tawdry zinc
#

oh also on the topic of dr li

tawdry zinc
#

crushing blow

#

seems ass

#

12 dmg

#

with like so little ob

#

kb

elfin garnet
#

I think it's fine cuz it also can be used as movement or to chain into backsgots

tawdry zinc
#

i mean its like

elfin garnet
#

also to secure kills slah a little movmeent

tawdry zinc
#

really risky movement

#

your a sitting duck

#

for a second

elfin garnet
#

true

prime vapor
#

flying duck

tawdry zinc
prime vapor
#

for your info

tawdry zinc
#

sprint jump tech after

elfin garnet
#

when u get kbed u can easily get offmpapped without heli too

tawdry zinc
#

you get range

elfin garnet
#

yeah that's what I'm sayjn

tawdry zinc
#

i guesss its ok then

elfin garnet
#

idk I neeed to play more haven't done shit in a bit

tawdry zinc
#

just really risk

#

with a good tom or rikeo or theo

#

they cna get mech off while you do that

elfin garnet
#

theo saving kb for that lmb is so bad

#

hence back to corner peek extravangza

tawdry zinc
#

mhm

#

same with tom shotgun

#

and just rikeo in general

#

like against good players i just use crushing blow behind corners like you said

#

to set up range jumps

#

per say

#

to rmb them to hell

elfin garnet
#

also on stairs I swear u do more smg faster or smth idk

#

if I get someone on the center point side stairs or middle stairs I can burst easily

vocal palm
tawdry zinc
#

yeah prob related to rikeo ult

#

and stiars

elfin garnet
#

me

tawdry zinc
#

thats MY line

orchid skiff
#

i legit run towards peoples spawn left bridge rather than holding so i can get an earlier death or 1 for 1 kill :3

elfin garnet
pseudo sun
eager grotto
elfin garnet
#

my feetbaxk is always helpful!

jolly linden
#

tbh i. amlike 90% sure thats from queue glitch

loud remnant
cyan vale
loud remnant
jolly linden
#

doomed nvm then

swift storm
#

Tom is so perfectly designed

fading ether
#

i dont like toms m2 :(

orchid skiff
#

less hp on theorick, less bullets on tom, functional passive on irlok 🙏 and idk maybe buff wallslam dmg a bit

fading ether
#

wallslam damage is massive wym

#

if you can properly use it you can often oneshot dps

orchid skiff
#

Idk, feels like when i do a 3 or 4 harmony kick its not 30,40but feels a bit lower

fading ether
#

probably you didnt slam the enemy then

#

i clearly remember the moment when 5hp irlock slamed into the stair on C site and nuked me for 60 hp

cyan vale
#

i dont think it can even do that much

#

yeah 30 max

#

unless it double slammed

leaden lintel
#

can you pleasee let me play with my party i never get in the same teams : (( (

cyan vale
#

simply 6 stack

#

(tho yeah parties should probably be prioritied to be matched together if possible)

#

like btb had it and it is arguably worse in btb

leaden lintel
cyan vale
#

np man

orchid skiff
#

so like 5stack harmony absolutely works, in all ways

#

but 3, 4 feels awkward

fading ether
cyan vale
#

poggers

orchid skiff
#

mhm

lilac hinge
#

Do you queue up overwatch with your friends and get placed in different teams

cyan vale
#

i simply solo queue because baller

lilac hinge
#

you simply solo queue cause no duo/trio

#

Sorry

#

I didnt mean that

cyan vale
#

nah no one enjoys queueing with ball

#

and i dont have to care about my team as ball

#

its a win win

lilac hinge
#

Whats ball

cyan vale
#

a wrecking ball

lilac hinge
#

Oh

cyan vale
#

who lives behind the enemy team

#

and does not care about his teammates

lilac hinge
#

I know ball now

cyan vale
#

imagine garwick

#

except rickeo levels of jumping people

dusty temple
loud ravine
#

skill issue

orchid skiff
#

@dusty temple so how was the irlok getting kicked off experience

#

tho 2nd game wasnt as great

dusty temple
#

enemy irlok always looks fun than mine

orchid skiff
#

aim a bit up and for ults also aim a bit sideways :3

#

(that lil sidewards momentum would flush people off the bridge especially)