#Blizzard Brawl Official Feedback Thread

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loud ravine
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Maybe the irlpks I've played against just weren't sure good because I've not found him mega problematic

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Well were talking about gawrick here

sturdy quartz
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what tends to happen for me is the team has to 3 v 1 me half the time to win. Literally the only class that can tend to 1 v 1 me consistently is another irlok

elfin garnet
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irlok cant rlly do much if u just hover above him as dr li

sturdy quartz
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they actually can.

loud ravine
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I play Dr li a lot and that seems to work

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His base form hover since it's too fast most of the time for anyone to hit

elfin garnet
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they cant dash up to do the big 40 dmg aoe fall attack bc of your hitbxo blocking it ithink

sturdy quartz
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did it a few times, unless the dr legendary is right above me i just charge up.
If it's the other side well that slam works

loud ravine
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That's a counter and issue ive had with irlok his dash can be stopped if it hits a target so when someone is up in your face you can't dash into the air

elfin garnet
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yeah u just stay right above them fr

sturdy quartz
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issue is other classes can also just pepper the dr legendary.

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Since what i've found is popular duo is irlok and tom

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third is either hailey gawrick or theo

indigo patrol
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wdym

loud ravine
elfin garnet
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gawrick???????? pfinder is not cooking...

indigo patrol
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i use it as a long range tp for like a one time grab

sturdy quartz
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rickeo's a bit more common but still not as common as those 3 for some reason

indigo patrol
elfin garnet
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ive just tried avoiding pfinder cuz i keep havig to 2v3

loud ravine
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Rickeo is the only one I can't make work

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Probably because melee just don't work on my end

sturdy quartz
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it's not melee

loud ravine
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And outside of melee rickeo doesn't have much

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Ik

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Main attack

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Left click

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Whatever

sturdy quartz
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yeah the 8 block range xD

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which is even more than irlok's funnily enough

loud ravine
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Uhuh and I'll spam it at someone directly in front of me in my face and it always misse

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The only time I can consistently hit it is if I'm backing away and they're chasing me

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In a straight line

sturdy quartz
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so rickeo's the only one who can really fight irlok due to the extra range and healing on hit

loud ravine
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Otherwise it's useless ive found

sturdy quartz
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the only issues with rickeo rn are dash being finnicky and his ultimate just... sucking after initial use.

loud ravine
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And since the only way I can get it to work is to stay at a consistent range backing away the hook is detrimental because it gets people too close

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It would be good if my melee worked

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Dash is only useful for going in since trying to use it mid combat is a death sentence

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And ult takes time to charge and isn't that great

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So I have like zero consistent damage options

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In a fight

elfin garnet
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:3

flat zodiac
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Just start camping and as soon as irlock look at you, get ready to change your camping spot

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Thats the only way i found to fight against irlock

dark cloud
loud ravine
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Just spawncamp the irlok smh

flat zodiac
dark cloud
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yeah okay fair

loud ravine
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I remember walking out of base and being immediately two shot by a tom

flat zodiac
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Btw i dont understand how People use irlock
When i try to use it

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I just die

dark cloud
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it took a bit for me to somewhat understand it too

loud ravine
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What issues are you having

flat zodiac
dark cloud
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it gets bonus damage from airtime so the gameplay loop is to simply spam dash into air -> airstrike

loud ravine
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Uh

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Yeah

flat zodiac
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Meanwhile when an irlock play against me, i due

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Die

dark cloud
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it ALSO heals when in the air, so this contributes to it sustaining

loud ravine
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Mainly only works in second poi t

dark cloud
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all by all, fuck this class

loud ravine
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Tbh

flat zodiac
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Damage boost from airtime???

loud ravine
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I think the current issue is games just go second to middle to second to middle

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You rarely go to the bafk

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So half of a game irlok just excells

dark cloud
loud ravine
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Middle point you can sorta be annoying with like the pillars

flat zodiac
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Okay Maybe i understand why

loud ravine
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But as a irlok I generally just dive into the middle

flat zodiac
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I did not had enougj airtime

loud ravine
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Without the airtime boost

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To get harmony

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To start the loop or to kill someone

dark cloud
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irlok is just too well rounded honestly

loud ravine
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Issue is in the middle I just get trapped in the ceiling on the ledge

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A lot of the time

dark cloud
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it can heal itself by stalling, deals ludicrous amounts of damage and is also highly mobile aslong as it has harmony

flat zodiac
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Irlock imo need a nerf
And Also dr leggendary
But Maybe this is me bias

dark cloud
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with a pretty huge aimable aoe ult

loud ravine
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Nerf the dash probably

dark cloud
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strangely i havent ever had that many moment where i felt dr legendary be that impactful but that is just going off of own experience

loud ravine
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Make it so you need more harmony to get real height

flat zodiac
loud ravine
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As a Dr legendary player I can say he's pretty solid

flat zodiac
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A be overheal is too much imo

dark cloud
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yeah i do suppose he is incredibly tanky

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i haven't really played him much myself so idk what he does that well

loud ravine
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Maybe increase mech swap time

flat zodiac
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Ngl im suprised its not that unbalanced

loud ravine
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So less overheal

gusty snow
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any rickeo players in chat

flat zodiac
gusty snow
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how do you use your ult

flat zodiac
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I sometimes use it when its too laggy

flat zodiac
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And then let the Ball bounce

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Always aim at the walls

gusty snow
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i've been doing this goofy thing the last few games

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where i just aim straight up

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in the middle plat

loud ravine
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Does rickeo bounce have targetting

flat zodiac
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That is Smart ngl

gusty snow
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and it'll just nearly perpetually bounce up and down

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its pretty funny

flat zodiac
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And People are dumb enough

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To go straight there

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I bet

gusty snow
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yeah lol

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mostly ppl that are caught up with fighting other ppl and walk straight into it

elfin garnet
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top ten pfinder

flat zodiac
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Against Experienced People, close space and use whipe to add slownesd

elfin garnet
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u can bug the ult into the ground on snow layers or stairs or slabs and itl nuke anyone whos teps on it lol

flat zodiac
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Lol

gusty snow
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i've seen that but i havent seem anyone get trolled by it yet

elfin garnet
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yeah no one is gunna step on it

gusty snow
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hey. you dont know

elfin garnet
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but if u fight soemone on a snow layer

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u can prob catch them off guard

flat zodiac
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Rickeo is fun too

gusty snow
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ye rickeo is honestly my main rn

elfin garnet
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rickeo is fun until u get one tapped 😇

flat zodiac
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You can go against theorick and kick his ass

flat zodiac
gusty snow
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i think the only other classes i play is irlok when no one else is and hailey because voiding people is super fucking funny

elfin garnet
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therck gets countered by dr li i feel

sturdy quartz
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yeah playing without irlok is just nerfing your team jesus christ

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it's just not doable if 1 team has irlok and the other doesn't

flat zodiac
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I mainly play Tom, then rickeo when its laggy and when im lazy or want to piss a Tom, theorick

loud ravine
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Imo a cool buff for rickeo ult is make it deal a aoe when hitting a wall

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Would lead to some fun setups

dark cloud
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(i will still miss 60% of my shotguns)

sturdy quartz
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yeah the issue is irlok once you figure out how it works is easy to just use

loud ravine
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I love murdering a bad irlok as they run towards me swinging their melee

gusty snow
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man. tom is a cool character

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he should get a quest with him in it

flat zodiac
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Tom is so fun to use

sturdy quartz
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the amount of times i've just immediately jumped in from above to slam the entire team for 40 damage is stupid

dark cloud
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i have started to just pick irlok when my team is seemingly terrible and it's open, even if just to cope

flat zodiac
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I have made some People rage quit with Tom

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Lol

dark cloud
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i am not great at it yet but i've found it to be pretty boring overall

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i much prefer missing my shots on tom and feel genuine improvement when i hit well

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than to just go airstrike unga bunga and kill entire team in one shot

sturdy quartz
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Yeah i literally only go irlok just to fight the other irlok

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also theorick because i'm sorry but that defence class getting overhealth for kills annoys me

flat zodiac
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When I see a theorick thst abuse the shield i just go rickeo

dark cloud
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theorick when the server lags and half the character simply doesnt work anymore

flat zodiac
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Because too much shield = i sleep on tom

sturdy quartz
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could also just annoy the hell out of them with hailey and her shift attack

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it's just worth it to be outside their shield and blast them

dark cloud
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who needs healer anyway

gusty snow
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thats literally how i play hailey

dark cloud
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same

flat zodiac
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Thats how everyone play hailey

gusty snow
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i think more of my time is spent trolling people and launching them off the edge than actually healing

sturdy quartz
dark cloud
flat zodiac
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Hailey is really tanky

sturdy quartz
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i've actually got a few killed that way because i sent them right in to my teammates

gusty snow
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yeah im probably one of them

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because i said thats how i play hailey but i never said i was good at it

sturdy quartz
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hailey's i see play basically forget the candy canes actually do healing

flat zodiac
sturdy quartz
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they're the most offensive selfish players.

dark cloud
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when i know a game is just over by my team playing irlok and getting wiped i mentally flip a coin between selfish hailey trollage and practicing shots on tom

sturdy quartz
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The ones who actually do healing are the scary ones

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because their ultimate's charge like hell

flat zodiac
gusty snow
sturdy quartz
dark cloud
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support hailey is nice but i only really play it when i have teammates that play offense properly

sturdy quartz
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but i will say, people do not realise how strong that ultimate is for just stalling.

dark cloud
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or a half decent irlok to give them the edge in 1v1 irlok fights

flat zodiac
dark cloud
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the iframe on hailey ult can also clutch irlok airstrikes

sturdy quartz
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I've done it a few times just out of pure spite

flat zodiac
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I have only found 2/3 good toms in pfinder so far, and 3/4 good irlok

dark cloud
gusty snow
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i am the scourge of pfinder because i am actually terrible

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i only recently started grinding so i can get all of the items

dark cloud
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i sometimes miss the telegraph because of focus on other things so i die

sturdy quartz
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The only ultimates it's kinda useless on are garwick theo and legendary

dark cloud
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my tom gameplay in pfinder is hilarious

sturdy quartz
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because garwick's more of a delay to get to cover same with theo.

flat zodiac
dark cloud
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either i lock in and kill people or i miss literally everything and die

sturdy quartz
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And legendary you just don't be near them

flat zodiac
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And start shooting

dark cloud
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man's playing sniper

flat zodiac
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In the middke

sturdy quartz
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also for the hailey trollers.

dark cloud
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to be honest that sounds hilarious i may try that in a bit

sturdy quartz
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Rickeo use the lasso

flat zodiac
flat zodiac
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It took me 1 good hour

sturdy quartz
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i've done it a few times. Once to an irlok who literally just tried to charge me at the same time

dark cloud
flat zodiac
sturdy quartz
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i've also done it a few times to a poor unsuspecting player who ran past the wall not seeing me

vocal palm
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irlok dash my beloathed

dark cloud
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yeah in that sense i love people seething

flat zodiac
sturdy quartz
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no you dont

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they can fly past you

flat zodiac
sturdy quartz
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yeah, it's hard to do because i think it's a bit more dependent on them being in the air

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but it's doable

flat zodiac
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I tried but it feels like they dont go past me

sturdy quartz
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on the ground they have to be a range you're probably in hugging distance

flat zodiac
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I want to not get oneshotted as tom

sturdy quartz
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rickeo's ultimate is also funny for damage

sturdy quartz
vocal palm
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i have spent two hours on this stupid dash today

flat zodiac
vocal palm
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and it still isnt fixed

elfin garnet
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😔

sturdy quartz
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it just bounces

elfin garnet
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curse of spaghetti code

sturdy quartz
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it's just the funny thing of using it right in someone's face.

vocal palm
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its not spaghetti code exactly

sturdy quartz
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i do it to irlok's a lot of the time

vocal palm
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its that. motion is not something which can accurately be adjusted based on how the server is lagging

sturdy quartz
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i get free healing AND they get heavy damage

flat zodiac
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Wait a moment

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If by any chance i lag really hard mid air

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Does my damage skyrocket

sturdy quartz
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no it's just motion

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so irlok can either go a reasonable height in the air.

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Or turns in to a literal rocket

flat zodiac
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In practice People use the dash

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Only to get height

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For the other spell

vocal palm
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yes

sturdy quartz
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yeah which caps at 40

flat zodiac
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The problem is that, in laggy servers

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For some reasons you go REALLY far

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Even with 2/3 armonia

vocal palm
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yes

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i know

indigo patrol
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does irloks dmg have a cap

vocal palm
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thats the bug

indigo patrol
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for slam

vocal palm
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yes

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40

flat zodiac
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Okay i understand why it does so much damage now

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And why i did no damage

steel stone
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You get SR and Shards partly depending on your DMG and healing and stuff yeah?

vocal palm
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yea

indigo patrol
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whats the avr shards per would u say

steel stone
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I feel after Hailey nerf you get a lot less SR and Shards

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Compared to paying dps

flat zodiac
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When im with hailey i get nothing

steel stone
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Would be nice if it was scaled up a bit to actually make playing Hailey rewarding

steel stone
vocal palm
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yeah i agree its not good right now

shrewd willow
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you have to set it up every 10s

indigo patrol
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Oh

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I meant more for yourself grabbing heals

swift storm
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Wait does healing not count for shards

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I get high rewards on Hailey

elfin garnet
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idk wha tthe shard calc is

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its not as clear as btb

vocal palm
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its just weird

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i dont like the current reward calc

elfin garnet
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its very generous it feels like

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even short games give abt the same as an average btb game

vocal palm
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yeah its cause i got scared by low rewards and buffed them 1.5x

elfin garnet
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short games giving 3 was really sillly yeah

vocal palm
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no that was fine i think. its cause

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youd have been getting like 6 if not a short game either way

elfin garnet
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oh

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i thin ki got like 9 avergae every normal game before the buff

vocal palm
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shrug

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core issue is the calcs anyway

eager grotto
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how are peoples stats boards lookin

swift storm
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I was trying to fix my kdr but now people got good at irlak so I don't wanna waste my teams irlak but anything else I play gets murdered by him so it's a lil sad

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I play like Tom when the teams are bad and Hailey when good

sturdy quartz
swift storm
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Please please please nerf

vernal harness
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random crits so that irlok players can oneshot with slam

eager grotto
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i assume irloks problem is his slam

vernal harness
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probably yea

vocal palm
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its the combo of the dash and the slam

sturdy quartz
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i'm not good at capitalising on the healing but the players who are, it's just frustrating to try to kill them

loud ravine
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I feel like if dash had lesser vertical momentum slam is much weaker

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Because you currently either use your dash for it or have to get really high and the second is fair I think

tawdry zinc
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irlock has a lot of problems

sturdy quartz
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the biggest issue i have is how rewarding the dash is.
They get airtime (which is always a good thing in this game) Which in turn gives them healing meaning if they're damaged they've got EVEN more health to deal with.
Then they can get a decent position while falling to slam someone for 40 damage and I think get some harmony back

tawdry zinc
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slam size, dmg, ult dmg, charge up, healing

loud ravine
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I mean all of that stems from the upwards dash

tawdry zinc
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good irlocks can get ult in like 45 seconds

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yeah

loud ravine
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Except ult damsge

sturdy quartz
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oh the ult is also hell with that.

loud ravine
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I feel like it would be balanced if dash was bad at getting height

tawdry zinc
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AND it gives harmony

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so you can combo survivors

sturdy quartz
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the ult keeps them in the air.

loud ravine
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Maybe you should need high harmony to get good vertical

tawdry zinc
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yeah

sturdy quartz
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Meaning if you REALLY hate someone, you can literally airstrike them with the ult

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and then slam them

loud ravine
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A little overboard lmfao

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Poor lad

sturdy quartz
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the game allows it and what are they going to do? You're not normally looking to dodge an attack from above

loud ravine
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I mean it's you're in a game with irlock you should be

sturdy quartz
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i mean with the ultimate

tawdry zinc
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doesnt matter looking up if you have shitty mobility

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raidus is huge

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and vertically too

sturdy quartz
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yeah. And the visual warning is shorter than the actual range.

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so people could hear it and hide not realising it's literally just an orbital strike

sturdy quartz
loud ravine
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Also I was thinking what if there was a indicator for the slam radius when irlock is falling

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On the ground below

eager grotto
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fuck yeah guys i just shitcoded my way through advent of code day 5 part 2

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oh wrong channel

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erm

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hi guys

loud ravine
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Lmfao

tawdry zinc
vocal palm
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heres what im thinking on irlok changes

loud ravine
eager grotto
vocal palm
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  • ult damage from 55 to 35
  • fix the dash going further than intended
  • slam requires longer air time to max out (~1.5x more)
  • slam max damage is reduced from 40 to 30, radius is reduced from 8 to 5.5
eager grotto
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lgtm

loud ravine
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I still feel like it would be better to nerf the dash

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Verticallly

vocal palm
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see point 2

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on theo, i did have the thought of heavily reducing the shield health (maybe to like... 50? 60?), but it does not passively lose health (or if it does, its slow. like 3/s?)

loud ravine
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Isn't irlok dash normally still pretty high

vocal palm
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no

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its never worked correctly on main servers

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you have no estimation of how its actually supposed to be

loud ravine
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Alr

sturdy quartz
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i also feel like that's way too high

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vocal palm
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oh right. yeah i was thiunking dropping it to 3/s

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the detection for midair is a bit wonky rn too

sturdy quartz
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probably better. Since on average it's like 5 seconds for most players which is still a lot.

loud ravine
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I feel like the radius nerf on top of the other scaling and ease of height gain nerfs is a bit much

vocal palm
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i think 8 block radius turned out to be excessive

loud ravine
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I mean yeah, but with the scaling decrease the size will already be much smaller on average

vocal palm
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it still has min 2 block radius

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its just the max is decreased

loud ravine
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Feel like the max was just op when it was spammable. Now you'll likely need to get on top of buildings to use it and that's only a 1 time thing.

vocal palm
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use full charged dash

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to get midair

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and youll still proc it

loud ravine
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Smaller radius means it's gonna be harder to charge dash

vocal palm
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eh

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2 block radius is fine if youre using slam up close

loud ravine
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A lot of the time the slams horizontal momentum overshoots or is inconsistent, radius helps a lot with that

vocal palm
loud ravine
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Wow

vocal palm
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i feel like ive been clear about this

loud ravine
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Ik about the dash

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Didn't know about the slam

vocal palm
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a lot of shit is not working properly on live servers because it wasnt implemented properly to account

loud ravine
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Sure

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It'll probs be easier to aim then

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Kinda sucks though since I've gotten used to the extended slam range

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It'll be a playstyle shift for sure

tawdry zinc
vocal palm
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hp nerf?

tawdry zinc
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sorry the

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freerunner nerf

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hpr

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from 5 to 3

vocal palm
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oh. yea

tawdry zinc
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like what you said

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so they cant just fuck off for 5 seconds to get there own full heal

loud ravine
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Freerunners mostly effective in combat

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Not many high ledges out of combat

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Not that I've found at least

sullen lotus
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Is being able to proc freerunner by going on ladders or spamming jump on block edges intended?

tawdry zinc
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no

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thats just wynn jank

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same stuff that allows like

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archer fierce stomp / warrior charge on ladders

sullen lotus
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Not sure what you're trying to say with that last part

prime vapor
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wynn's Unqiue parameters for being midair

vocal palm
vocal palm
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by horizontal momentum you mean when youre going upwards right, not when slamming down?

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it's based off of how vertically youre facing

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the more vertical, the less horizontal momentum you get

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i actually dont think thats something to fix

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i think thats fine

loud ravine
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Ah yeah

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Guh I keep forgetting about that

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Pretty sure you told me

vocal palm
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no i probably didnt

loud ravine
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Eh it's fine then I think

vocal palm
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it is a little unintuitive

loud ravine
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I still feel slam nerfs are a bit much. But I'll see when they release

vocal palm
loud ravine
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Theories shield is fine

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Don't think it needs nerfs

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It's counterable by just entering the shield

opal zealot
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Shield has a weakness

opal zealot
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Also, Theo is slow, it's not like he can rush to opponent contested point when he's killed.

spring steppe
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I mean it should be like that

pseudo sun
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are the irlok nerfs already live?

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opal zealot
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Any Gawrick buff?

tawdry zinc
sturdy quartz
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gotta be honest, a theorick dr legendary and irlok all on the same team is painful

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and actually makes me despise overhealth as a mechanic

eager grotto
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at least I've only seen one report of it

opal zealot
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Gawrick need some fixes on his Gleamsphere

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The hitbox is weird, the travel speed is contrary to his mobility nature.

loud ravine
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Idk you can sorta make up for it by just running up to the enemies face then releasing it

umbral umbra
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uhhhhh

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eager grotto
umbral umbra
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Health and ultimate and lack of any class anything

eager grotto
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can you change class at the npc

umbral umbra
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I don't have a class and can't talk to the npc

eager grotto
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hmm

opal zealot
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Should introduce a random class mode.

eager grotto
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oh it's this bug

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I'll look into that tomorrow

sturdy quartz
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yeah no saying it now. Irlok's ult should not be able to go through walls

opal zealot
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Irlok ult is Tom, but it got overbuffed.

eager grotto
loud ravine
sturdy quartz
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you cannot avoid it at all if he decides you're the target

tawdry zinc
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hanzo moment

sturdy quartz
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it's basically a MUCH bigger tom's ult

tawdry zinc
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watch people use esp JUST for this

tawdry zinc
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its alr gonna kill anways

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getting free 5 harmony since now it is less likely to kill directly you can just use it to full heal or finish off anyone if they got caught in a wall

loud ravine
sturdy quartz
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it's big enough he's not missing

loud ravine
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Honestly idk

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When playing him at least I've whiffed ults a lot

sturdy quartz
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unless you've got some kind of mobility most of the cover realistically would be able to block him.

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however he can just hit you through the wall which sure you're not getting knocked in to the void

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but even when it gets nerfed that's damage you just can't avoid

loud ravine
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I don't think the aoe is that undodgable

sturdy quartz
#

it's basically hoping he misses.

loud ravine
#

And there's plenty of "undodgeable" damage

sturdy quartz
#

not really when it comes to ults.

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Worst case scenario is rickeo when it comes to fire

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rest of them it's really just "oh great get away from the area"

loud ravine
sturdy quartz
#

theroick's get behind cover

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DR LI i found is the get out of there strat

loud ravine
#

Theorick aoe cover doesn't stop pretty sure

sturdy quartz
#

it does.

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as long as it can't see you you're safe

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(idk if it stops the slowness but it stops the damage)

vocal palm
loud ravine
#

increase the windup maybe

#

Still I feel like it's not mega reliable

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Unless I'm absolutely horrible I've missed it a decent amount of times

dusty temple
coarse epoch
#

gawrick feels so nice but so useless 😭

#

teleport placements feel a bit odd idk

dusty temple
#

also hailey feast description is still not update

image.png
digital pelican
dusty temple
#

this guy havent met the tom that aims every rmb

coarse epoch
#

tom legit 1taps u

#

💀

spice cove
#

destroy theorickeorickeroy

elfin garnet
#

why does Tom's ult dmg thru walls :(((

coarse epoch
#

im rly liking tom and rickeo rn

sturdy quartz
elfin garnet
#

mfw there's a 2x2 pillar between me and the impact and I lose 60hp :((((((((((((((

#

ig it makes up for grenade being silly

vocal palm
dusty temple
#

oof

dusty temple
#

:<

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one is predict one is instant hit

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I think i have 40% rmb accuracy rn

sturdy quartz
#

tom being a pain when sniping is the funniest thing to exist

#

the irlok genuinely can't do much when you're just peppering their entire team with shots mid fight

orchid skiff
#

My biggest pain with toms just being shot to half hp right outa exiting spawn

sturdy quartz
#

xD 15 hp per hit is balanced but god i feel bad for anyone getting peppered

#

i kept also forcing the irlok to go for me because the other ranged classes really have to get close for comfort.
Also theorick's shield just exists xD it doesn't really stop tom more delay it

clear dawn
#

a

elfin garnet
#

is it possible to make it so we still get shards after leaving a game?

#

a lot fo times i get dced bc wynncraft silly or a bug or have to leasve midgame or smth for irl shit and i just lose rating and get no shards and dont get to see my stats

#

(im def not salty cuz i was abt to get a flawless game)

grizzled dune
#

erm.... the bantisu MONK with WAR SCREAM as an ability is an assassin? yea okay

tawdry zinc
#

a cool solution would be if the server somehow can distinguish a disconnect vs a lag kick through the pcket and error messages sent to client but i dont think thats possible

grizzled dune
#

i revoke your ability to speak in wynnmain

elfin garnet
# grizzled dune i revoke your ability to speak in wynnmain

Look my main arguement is that Emotions>Logic in terms of why people like rooms. let me use a really obvious example, there is 1 activity which almost every human no matter the gender absolutely loves (im not naming it here because pg13 rule). And if you think about this activity logically its not sophisticated at all or sth, quite the opposite, yet it feels great and thats why people love it. The very same argument can be made about raid rooms. My main argument with wing room is that not having to deal with escort FEELS great. Is wing room sophisticated or the most well thought out challenge, obviously not. Same goes with 3rd room in tcc at least for me. Holding shift for over 1 minute is horribly boring, running along side a wall is horrible boring, and Parkour is horribly boring. No matter how logically you analyze and rate challenges based on that,the emotional experience of the challenges will for most people be always more important than some logic, even if they might not be consciously aware of it.

tawdry zinc
#

i havent seen ppl dodging queue so i dont think shard farming because of early disconnects should bea problem rn>

#

OH NO

elfin garnet
#

top ten

pseudo sun
#

are irlok changes live?

#

or is it planned

grizzled dune
#

ai copypasta?

elfin garnet
#

sadly it is real

elfin garnet
grizzled dune
#

i just skimmed when u posted it, i somehow missed that he was comparing ASTAL ROOM PARKOUR to 5EX

#

wynnmain never fails to

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to

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yeah

tawdry zinc
#

do NOT tell them about the birds and the bees

pseudo sun
vernal harness
#

might just be the best wynn gif ever

elfin garnet
pseudo sun
#

not my fault the guy yapped too much 😦

elfin garnet
#

true

still idol
vast valve
#

how does garwik's ult work? whenever i used i dont see any black hole, it just uses and dissapears, i never see a black hole

vocal palm
#

if you get stunned it cancels

vast valve
#

oh, i guess i got stunned every time

pseudo sun
#

i think theos shield also eats it

vocal palm
#

wait, actually? thats really dumb

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doesnt seem to be true

#

looking at the scripts

spring steppe
#

it blocks line of sight I think

#

not deletes it

vast valve
#

who make irlok 😭

#

its not fun to deal with, even when we win

#

well its annoying and frustrating, especially if they have good ping

#

every other class is fine, its fun to play against them

pseudo sun
elfin garnet
#

he is getting nerfed btw less healing slam radius and slam dmg less dash distance and 1.5x longer airtime for max slam dmg

dusty temple
#

I thought the changes have pushed

elfin garnet
#

Idek

#

i djt think so

vast valve
#

i hate irlok so much

#

he was playing really good and it was annoying lmfao

elfin garnet
#

I wanna fight a good irlokk again

vast valve
#

its like wynncraft's firecracker from clash royale

elfin garnet
#

Dr legendary is a p good counter for him ngl

vast valve
#

yea

#

i usually play dr legendary but some1 in my team already took it, so i played theorick which is also fine

#

the comback in that game is so crazy tho, nipnop got angry at his team lmao

elfin garnet
#

common nip nop silly

vernal harness
#

really big nerf no?

elfin garnet
#

he's still good

#

very good

#

also ult dmg nerf to 35 which is vooll too

#

getting harmony from ult is kinda crazy

vast valve
#

i died in like 1 second on theorick

#

without falling off the edge btw, just full hp

elfin garnet
#

yeah u cant run away on most classes

vast valve
#

the ult is super annoying too

vernal harness
vast valve
#

its impossible to dodge, it, i just have to find a wall and tank the hit or get knocked into the void

vernal harness
#

no not really ive seen a lot of irloks miss

#

and not killing anyone lol

#

maybe theyre just bad

vast valve
#

yeah prob just not good or new to irlok

vernal harness
#

1.5x airtime for max + dmg nerf sounds pretty big though

vast valve
#

i really dont think so, irlok will still be slippery

vernal harness
#

ig you can utilize ledges and stuff to still get max damage
and its still a good engage tool

#

cant be annoying with slam anymore though womp womp

vast valve
#

its still not easy to get hits on him if u have high ping

vast valve
elfin garnet
#

u reach the cap of smg p easily already ithink

#

u prob still get a shit ton of dmg and free harmony stacks on grpups

#

Dr li is so nice tanking irlok my beloved

#

his mech can tank both the slam and ult currently and he can recover from the ult with a timed slam on mech or helicopter

opal zealot
fossil saffron
#

What not having an irlok that tunnels you does as a tom player

image.png
#

Got my 15 killstreak achievement lmao

elfin garnet
#

Tom moment

last geode
elfin garnet
#

me when I eat hotchip and lie

#

I need mah monkey kapaa remathc

#

I'm loced in cocked in

pseudo sun
elfin garnet
#

this is true

last geode
pseudo sun
#

i have

last geode
#

0

#

games

pseudo sun
#

i destroyed every irlok player

#

because i’m him

last geode
elfin garnet
#

what's yo ign cvro

pseudo sun
#

nip_nop

elfin garnet
#

oh lol

pseudo sun
#

i’m eating a hot chip and lying

elfin garnet
#

oh lol

pseudo sun
#

@last geode 1v1 my irlok boy

elfin garnet
pseudo sun
dusty temple
coarse epoch
#

irlok op 😄

flat zodiac
#

ngl i'm impressed by how good the event is

#

even balanace wise considering it was just released

#

whoever worked on this did a spectacular job

faint wharf
#

Throwback to btb nipnop

vocal palm
vocal palm
elfin garnet
#

now go sleep!

pseudo sun
#

when will nip nop get his role in feathers fly part 3

elfin garnet
#

nip nop will become unmuted

swift storm
#

This has probably been brought up a million times but Tom shotgun needs more spread or smth it sucks rn

#

You'll land like no bullets on someone who's 2 blocks away

elfin garnet
#

ehh ive been bursted by it a lot as dr li i think

#

but ive never actually played as tom lo

pseudo sun
#

might be hitbox issue

flat zodiac
#

even at 1 block away it's likely to miss at least 1 shot

#

atp it's better to aim

flat zodiac
#

but it's unluckely it happens

elfin garnet
#

its prob not helping that dr li in mech apparently has a bigger hurtbox for some reason

flat zodiac
#

but tbf you dont want to go face to face against dr li mech form

elfin garnet
#

WHY is this a thing fr

#

thematically sure but WHY

#

actually so annoying

flat zodiac
#

it's a way to indirectly nerf him

elfin garnet
#

womp

#

he is also -30% speed when he is in mech which is enugh imo

#

but i am also biased cuz i like hi

flat zodiac
#

yeha, here i'm biased against tom and you are biased against dr li

#

that's the perfect combo

#

also i bet it's annoying af to have a tom in the opposing team as dr li

#

you cannot do anything against

elfin garnet
#

i mean

#

i can jut whittle them down to like 50 hp an then burst them down

#

most of the time

#

but i keep getting caught off gurd by them lol

#

its def playable around but it requires a bit more brainpower

flat zodiac
elfin garnet
#

rickeo is also booty cheeks to burst down

elfin garnet
#

irlok is prob the easiest dps to burst down as dr li lol

flat zodiac
#

you will never catch me

#

:)

#

(tom is fast af btw)

flat zodiac
elfin garnet
#

true most of the time they forgor they can recoil out of there

flat zodiac
#

with 3 shots, i go up, reload and then go the heck out

elfin garnet
#

but i can just helicopter helictoper

pseudo sun
elfin garnet
#

:(

flat zodiac
#

as a gamemode

dusty temple
#

me when enemy tom has a incrediable good aim on shotgun soo far away

flat zodiac
elfin garnet
#

me when tom hits me while im going to 2nd point(i just lost 30 hp)

flat zodiac
#

Oh yeha, can someone please buff tom's bomb?

#

That shit has no range

bitter vector
#

dr legendary is slept on, his rocket dmg is crazy

flat zodiac
pseudo sun
#

what if i told you there was a specific mod that makes you really cracked at tom

elfin garnet
elfin garnet
elfin garnet
flat zodiac
#

like 20 or 30?

#

when irlock try to follow me in a narrow corridor it always gets melted

elfin garnet
#

probably

pseudo sun
#

would irlok get max slam bonus from 1 harmony after the nerf

elfin garnet
#

idek ive never rlly beend hit by it lmao

flat zodiac
#

(you will die)

elfin garnet
#

never go onto stairs vs a dr lefendary

flat zodiac
elfin garnet
#

(you will die)

elfin garnet
#

all te potential good tom players r on irlok fr

flat zodiac
#

wait for irlock nerf to come live

pseudo sun
#

no class posed a threat against irlok

elfin garnet
#

me

#

i will give potential backshots to all irlorks 😇

pseudo sun
#

YOU never posed a threat to my irlok

elfin garnet
#

I never foguh you!

pseudo sun
#

you have

elfin garnet
#

WHO ar eyou bo

flat zodiac
#

What's yall name

pseudo sun
#

i am your kryptonite

flat zodiac
#

I dont think i fought yall

elfin garnet
#

i am mysterynotch

elfin garnet
flat zodiac
#

I'm nocatsnolife

flat zodiac
eager grotto
#

lol dr legendary can hit multiple times with one rocket oops

pseudo sun
#

i thought that was intended

#

gg to the 3 existing dr li mains

elfin garnet
#

if it gets fixed dr li has to get more buffs

#

withotu it hes so dog and its hard to pull off anyways

pseudo sun
#

what does his integrity do again

#

i skimmed his abilities

elfin garnet
#

the mech integery is like a second health bar

flat zodiac
elfin garnet
#

and u recharge 1hp per second when outside of mech and get 1 hp per hit u get

#

its a bug lol

pseudo sun
#

dr li gotta get some overhealth after every attack as a passive fr

elfin garnet
#

nah jut make the rmb attack do more dmg or make it faster

#

liek u r not hitting that unless u r right in frotn of someoen

flat zodiac
#

ig

elfin garnet
#

liek literally if u are chasing someoen u wont hit them with the rmb mech attack

#

even after the proj speed fix

pseudo sun
elfin garnet
#

womp

pseudo sun
#

what if he just pulled up with guardian hypertank provoke spam

elfin garnet
#

true

eager grotto
elfin garnet
#

if its fixed u should jut raise the mech rmb dmg please 🥺

#

(also make the mech ult better)

pseudo sun
#

bro what if the ult was heat seeking missiles…

#

smash heroes reference…

flat zodiac
#

Dr li is a fun class to just nuke people

elfin garnet
#

thats basicaly the non mech ult

#

the mech ult is so slow and is so easily dodged i have to be on top of someoen to get the dmg

#

and the third hti is so delayed too

pseudo sun
#

wait does dr li have different types of ults

elfin garnet
#

yeah

#

the firework rain is the not mech ult

#

and theres a shockwave attack when inmech

flat zodiac
pseudo sun
#

what’s the mech ult

elfin garnet
#

but the shockwave attack is ass

flat zodiac
#

I have only met 1 good dr li

elfin garnet
#

its 3 showaves that do 24 dmg and stun

#

but they can be jumped over apparently and r slow as shit

#

so u have to be on top of someone to get the dmg

#

its cool to pull off but is much easier to jus tbait someone into a corrodior and use normal ult

pseudo sun
#

i like genuinely don’t know the difference because i play on 0 particles

elfin garnet
#

lol

pseudo sun
#

toms ult with particles is a literal debuff

#

it blocks your vision

elfin garnet
#

the real threat of dr li ult is no one can see saltroll

pseudo sun
#

every good dr li i encounter they always lure me to some indoor wall and start throwing 50 fireworks at me

elfin garnet
#

i am good dr li trust chat...

pseudo sun
#

i saw how you play dr li…

elfin garnet
#

idek who u even are....

pseudo sun
elfin garnet
#

i do not knowing

pseudo sun
#

dw i’ll find you eventually in pf tomorrow

elfin garnet
#

idek if ill be on tmr

#

what is yourtimezone anyways

flat zodiac
#

One day we will find good players in pf and not endup with a game where we killed 30 people and died 2 times

pseudo sun
#

yeah

flat zodiac
sour night
pseudo sun
#

if ct makes a void crawler related class my life is theirs

flat zodiac
#

I have realised that, the more i play and the less sr i have

elfin garnet
#

thats a fake stat fr

flat zodiac
elfin garnet
#

i keep ahvin to leave to bugs or irl shit or just get 2v3ed

pseudo sun
#

used to have 1500

elfin garnet
flat zodiac
pseudo sun
#

but then the pf bum curse caught me

elfin garnet
#

im at like 1.3k but pfinder + me leaving a lot of games is sillly

pseudo sun
#

i’m just good

eager grotto
flat zodiac
#

why do i have so little sr

#

even when i win i get 5sr

#

or smt

elfin garnet
#

gawrick becomes void crawler class u can set up a voidhole that disappears when u die and gives hp to teamates that go into it and dmg enemis that go into it or smth!

flat zodiac
#

Please buff gawrick

elfin garnet
#

rmb is dot smth spooky oooo

eager grotto
#

i would buff gawrick

#

but im stuck on this nasty advent of code problem right now

pseudo sun
#

idk how else i can explain it when it’s kinda similar to what it is in smash heroes

elfin garnet
#

the ult is summoning watched

flat zodiac
eager grotto
elfin garnet
#

these words are not in the bible

flat zodiac
#

oh cool

vocal palm
pseudo sun
#

good ending

flat zodiac
# vocal palm no

Good, now question, is the flame guy class supposed to be able to walk across the map with flaming tornado?

vocal palm
#

no

flat zodiac
#

I'm able to go close to the other team spawn from my spawn with flaming tornado

vocal palm
#

i know

flat zodiac
#

Oh cool

vocal palm
#

its always the same bug

flat zodiac
#

That while loops are weird

#

when lag happens

loud remnant
elfin garnet
#

true

pseudo sun
#

it should normally reach at your side of mid without any lag

#

so when we adding blizzard brawl aspects

eager grotto
#

i was gonna do some kind of upgrade system

#

but i decided itd make the game way too complex

flat zodiac
#

ugh

vernal harness
pseudo sun
#

+10 block aoe to freefall slam

vernal harness
#

-5s cd to freefall slam

pseudo sun
#

mythic: passively gain harmony every 5s + ult is instant

vernal harness
#

main attack gains 1 block width and +1 block range

elfin garnet
#

why does irlok ult give harmony buh

vernal harness
#

irlok just screams really damn harmoniously

#

thats why

pseudo sun
#

everything on irlok gives harmony

#

he’s like that

elfin garnet
#

free 5 harmony to kb anyone that survives the big kb (their movement ability is on cd(womp womp)))

vernal harness
#

free 5 harmony to kb urself into the void ww

pseudo sun
#

ngl freefall shouldn’t give harmony

#

it’s like a hit and run

elfin garnet
#

the shift ability?

pseudo sun
#

ye

elfin garnet
#

yeah it is a bit silly just nuking soon to be 30 dmg and then running away

#

idek

#

I can't rplt use irlok well cuz my lmb is broken on my moise

pseudo sun
#

dash up
freefall
hit someone
get harmony
dash up to heal
wait for freefall
fall off a platform
repeat
🤯

elfin garnet
#

works like 30% of the time

elfin garnet
pseudo sun
#

me waiting for irloks to go to ladder then shooting them up saltroll

#

you don’t even need to use ladder to even abuse it

#

you can stand on a ledge of a block that’s near an empty space and just constantly jump

#

💀

#

idk if giving the passive a height requirement fixes this

pseudo sun
vocal palm
#

yeah

opal zealot
#

🤯

vocal palm
#

kind of an annoying passive tbh

pseudo sun
#

does giving it a height requirement like how weightless has one fix it

opal zealot
#

Who gave the idea for letting a DPS has a passive source of healing in-out combat

pseudo sun
#

or does minecraft register it differently

#

wait this is also a problem for weightless too

#

i forgot

elfin garnet
#

also why cant u rejoin games if u get dced kind of silly

eager grotto
elfin garnet
#

🥺

#

u dont even get partial shards

pseudo sun
#

have fun with the -50 sr 🙂

elfin garnet
#

😇 i love getting dced

pseudo sun
#

i mean what if irlok started healing after 3s of air time? then you won’t get the bullshit corner block heals but ladder heals would still be kinda a problem

#

or just add a max heal cap and say fuck it

eager grotto
#

ladder heals are getting removed

vernal harness
#

wtf are ladder heals

sour night
#

so they sit on a ladder and heal to max

dusty temple
#

My best trick

sturdy quartz
sturdy quartz
eager grotto
#

changes coming Soon(tm):

  • Irlok's head is now additionally required to be in an air or air-like block (as well as his feet) for healing to occur
  • Ladders, snow layers, stairs, slabs, and vines are no longer counted as an air-like block
  • The minimum damage on irlok's ground slam has been reduced (10->8)
  • The maximum damage on irlok's ground slam has been reduced (40->30)
  • The maximum range on irlok's ground slam has been reduced (8->5.5)
  • The time required for irlok's ground slam to reach its maximum has been increased (400ms->600ms)
  • Irlok's ult damage has been reduced (55->35)
  • Irlok's healing has been reduced (5/s->3/s)
  • Fixed an issue where Irlok's dash would go way too far if the server was lagging
sour night
#

major irlok nerfs lmao

dusty temple
#

what does the first one mean

#

ok now i get it

eager grotto
#

see edit

#

yeah sorry lol

dusty temple
#

Ngl tom is gonna crash the meta
I’ve somehow started to get crashed by shotguns recently 🤯

#

(And also crashes people)

eager grotto
#

if you rejoin the server after disconnecting are you always put into the same world containing your party

eager grotto
#

also

#

send me your class ideas

#

i need to brainstorm for next year

#

full movesets are preferred

#

also also

#

send me your gawrick rework/buff ideas

spring steppe
#

can't believe they really added gunslinger to wynncraft

shrewd willow
#

why not gongus gawrick almost plays like that and flinging people off the ledge might be hillarious

spring steppe
#

olon korzim psilo

shrewd willow
#

yahya

spring steppe
shrewd willow
#

gawrick just runs around like he was singed

spring steppe
#

close enough

sturdy quartz
#

i think my biggest issue with irlok at this point is how every single irlok will gladly target a tom

#

turns in to a slight obsession and just ruins a game when you now have to immediately move out of the way when an irlok spots you

shrewd willow
spring steppe
#

having more players or more classes to play around niches would kinda alleviate this but they have their own challenges

spring steppe
terse shuttle
#

Raah make gawrick blast self heal like 1 hp per sec charged
Or make the ult like heal allies in range for like 50% of the damage it deals or something

#

Support on gawrick is lacking tbh, its just kinda moving and stalling at this point

spring steppe
#

that is in fact support though

#

distraction and stalling are supportive actions

vernal harness
spring steppe
#

general lecade could be a good one

#

just classic sword man

shrewd willow
#

or just generally a class that just causes chaos around itself

eager grotto
#

wtf is singed

shrewd willow
# eager grotto wtf is singed

league of legends champion that just runs around, damages everyone that is behind him, and flings people to be behind him

eager grotto
#

i dont play league im afraid

#

or overwatch

shrewd willow
#

that's why I explained what he does

eager grotto
#

i see

#

hm

shrewd willow
#

is ult is just steroid

spring steppe
#

guy that runs around and has a smoke trail that applies poison dot and can flip people behind him

#

it's kinda the "I have fun by preventing other people from having fun" guy

eager grotto
#

that sounds awful

spring steppe
#

it is

eager grotto
#

great let's add it

spring steppe
#

his name is gawrick

eager grotto
#

people have been having a bit too much fun here

spring steppe
#

the witch of the well

sturdy quartz
#

people were not joking about nip nop being REALLY easy to trigger

shrewd willow
dark cloud
#

just add gale (she's on break)

spring steppe
#

general lecade
lmb - sword slash
rmb - parry/block
shift - idk
ult - team overheal/dmg/ws buff

eager grotto
#

a parry mechanic sounds awful

spring steppe
#

it would just be similar to acrobat where you block/reduce damage taken for a brief period, if you successfully blocked an attack then your next lmb within Xs gets boosted

#

ok that's not really similar but yeah

#

well idk if we need more dps characters in general we already have 3

dark cloud
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great idea, add the canyon colossus as a tank like

shrewd willow
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tank from left for dead

spring steppe
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coding wise if you wanted to make it really simple the parry could be +overheal for a brief period, if taken dmg in the same period the buff then next lmb

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idk how simple that is actually

shrewd willow
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or just 2s invincibility

eager grotto
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lol

shrewd willow
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or 1s

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idk

eager grotto
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i can do temporary invulnerability or whatever

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we need support / tank ideas really

shrewd willow
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what about yahya as a support?

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buffing allies and debuffing enemies

eager grotto
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ya thats what i was thinking

spring steppe
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I feel like most of these characters are lesser known people

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sohso or nohno

sturdy quartz
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tbf people remember theorick

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and occasionally rickeo

eager grotto
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theo/ricke/herbert

sturdy quartz
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and dr legendary

eager grotto
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the rest are kinda irrelevant

dark cloud
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i say we just add gale like

spring steppe
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gale is a hero festival champion

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material

shrewd willow
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????

sturdy quartz
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nah tom is memorable because craftmas chaos was the best holiday quest

spring steppe
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not literally I mean like shed fit that more

shrewd willow
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and ur talking about gale

spring steppe
sturdy quartz
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yansur as a debuff character who just annoys the enemy

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his mere presence weakens them

eager grotto
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lol

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what if we add bread guy

shrewd willow
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can we casino kind of guy

sturdy quartz
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oh god bread attacks

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hypixel smash cookie man memories

shrewd willow
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ah yes potential 50 damage combo if ur not paying attention

eager grotto
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LFG

spring steppe
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the canary from canary calls

eager grotto
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sockmower class

shrewd willow
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nope

eager grotto
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ultimate ability: launch an ion cannon into low orbit

shrewd willow
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ur not canon to wynncraft

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smh

spring steppe
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sensei miyagi is already kinda similar to irlok in terms of theming

eager grotto
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i am

shrewd willow
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add yeigar

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wynncraft x monumenta

spring steppe
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the maltic witch or bread guy I think could be funny supports

sturdy quartz
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why not sherk?

dark cloud
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you should add blackjack dealer from cinfras

sturdy quartz
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strong punchy guy

eager grotto
spring steppe
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could be a tank

shrewd willow
spring steppe
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I feel like sherk would kinda fail as a tank and just be a high health mid dmg character

dark cloud
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tasim tank like

sturdy quartz
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Could also do a mimic character? although that'd probably be overpowered

dark cloud
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ult can just be calling an airstrike like