Blizzard Brawl Official Feedback Thread

[dim raptor]

Can anyone confirm if rickeo ultimate builds the second ultimate meter

It seems to be the only ultimate that doesn't deactivate on death as well for some reason

[vast valve]

i am indeed stuck /kill does not work

[dim raptor]

./hub

changing worlds fixes gay baby jail

[vast valve]

ty game for making me lose 20 rating for a bug very helpful

[dim raptor]

sometimes you lose 40

[vast valve]

oh

[swift storm]

Ok I've concluded this game is peak

Irlok needs a nerf though

Ult should charge slower and be easier to dodge

Also there should be some restriction on js dashing up and slamming down

[opal zealot]

The real problem is the healing, dude never dies.

[swift storm]

I feel like he's designed to play like genji during his ult but he ends up becoming doomfist ult over and over

And yea he has way too much sustain for the insane damage

[opal zealot]

I would trade off the damage just for the healing because you can stay in contested point forever

[swift storm]

But its lowk unfun to play when its "oh my opponent landed one hit now he gets to drop like a meteor on me and do 40 damage in a 10 block radius and instakill me"

[opal zealot]

Then chargeup the ult and win

[swift storm]

Irlok is too good and Gawrick sucks but the rest seems really smooth to me

It js sucks like one good enemy irlok can really ruin a whole game by just staying on point and constantly dashing up and bashing

[dim raptor]

games are decided by 70% irlok and 30% tom/theorick rn

[faint wharf]

irlok gaming

[dim raptor]

theorick reduced to countering tom but irlok runs everything over

[swift storm]

Yea

Games are basically who has the better irlok atp

[faint wharf]

irlok on the second point is very strong

[opal zealot]

I just stopped playing all together

[swift storm]

Maybe a Tom but you can just negate Tom with Theo and he becomes useless

[faint wharf]

tom can get rid of irlok tho with good aim

[swift storm]

Yea irlok is ridiculous with open air and void to kb into

[faint wharf]

but irlok doesnt require aim

[opal zealot]

I think the idea of pushing opponent to void to get insta kill is somewhat questionable

[swift storm]

I'm not skilled enough

[faint wharf]

nah the stomp is also very good at bursting people

[swift storm]

Yea I also feel irlok is so powerful and not super hard

[dim raptor]

the main deciding point in equal games is whether tom can pick irlok off a couple of times for advantage

[swift storm]

At least when I play irlok I'm only using my right click to go up almost never attacking

Cause a full range slam attack is like 40 damage and u can get that with one harmony

As opposed to js 6 damage

[dim raptor]

Slam being a 10 aoe 40 damage with one harmony is disgusting and ruins every other class esp with hailey nerfs

[swift storm]

Irlok is js the full package of damage, mobility, survivability and all for no skill

[swift storm]

Ong

Shits actually like a drone strike yk wtf am I meant to do about that

[dim raptor]

whenever irlock dashes up its a recreation of that gif because half the classes don't have the movement to react to it

so it forces midfights to take place entirely in corners where irlock can only target one side

[opal zealot]

Irlok can simply heal back to full just by jumping to the air

Why ya need Tank anyway

[dim raptor]

they do not

[opal zealot]

He has everything

[swift storm]

Js make dash have bad verticality like assassin or warrior to force ppl to acc use dash to hit enemies

Irlok gets to rain hell every 4 seconds

Until irlok nerf im going on strike

[dim raptor]

Even without slam abuse irlock is still very good, 5 harmony charge is a void death or an instakill on 70 hp classes, slam punishes predictable movement (its minecraft every movement is predictable) and charges in general tp you in for melee

[swift storm]

I like how Gawrick sucks it's a metaphor for how warp sucks and fatal is better

[swift storm]

Yea and slam is also good with high ground

[opal zealot]

Hailey should have a toggle mode between attacking to heal or damage (like Mercy).

Can't be both.

[swift storm]

I'd just like cap the vertical angle of dash to 30 degrees

I wish Hailey had some active healing method instead of making teammates pick it up

[dim raptor]

nvm i disagree with everything you say now

[swift storm]

Like she could shoot a beam and heal teammates

[swift storm]

Warp is genuinely just a worse fatal

Way more expensive and you have to cancel regens so less damage

And with a good fatal u can travel forever

[dim raptor]

is this the kind of person im talking to

[swift storm]

Don't execute me for this but I also hate high walk speed

[opal zealot]

Hailey autos is the same way how life draining works, it's literally broken. Damage and heal at the same time.

[swift storm]

I can't do the builder bot central parkour

[vocal palm]

irlok.....

[swift storm]

irlok needs to become irnot

[vocal palm]

rmb?>????

this is literally hailey's rmb

[swift storm]

Wait what

[dim raptor]

canes heal people??

[swift storm]

Do the candy canes heal

[vocal palm]

?????????

[dim raptor]

yes??????

[vocal palm]

it says this

so explicitly

[opal zealot]

Yes, it deals damage and heals at the same time

[dim raptor]

jesus christ never talk about balancing ever again

[swift storm]

wtf

The canes heal

Imma Hailey main now

[vocal palm]

damage to enemies and healing to allies

[dim raptor]

mods kick him from this thread

[swift storm]

What characters are Hailey Tom and irlok based off

ik the rest

[opal zealot]

Shoot a volley of 4 canes, deals and heals 2 per.

[vocal palm]

theyre all npcs

tom is from craftmas chaos

[broken bone]

is there an achievement for making someone ragequit like there is in tf2

[vocal palm]

hailey is from meaningful holiday (tho her name is mispelled in the minigame. lol. the actual npc is haily)

irlok is from beyond the grave

[swift storm]

Makes sense

They should add annihilation as a playable character

new sun insta wins the game

[dim raptor]

fucks sake the lightbender guy is here

[swift storm]

Greetings fox o how goes it

Lex ong please nerf irlok like rn please 🙏 pls help

Please let me play as the canyon collosus

[dim raptor]

Make slam damage based on harmony stacks like the rest of their kit and height only scale aoe

[swift storm]

Even with nerfed dash up slam irlok is still too good

The sustain and damage is js too much

[dim raptor]

So you dont have irloks charging to mid from spawn and instantly hitting 40 dmg on mid

[swift storm]

Also he has the best mobility of any class by far

[vocal palm]

ive said this a lot

but irlok's dash distance is fully bugged

[opal zealot]

Remove the heal, it could be a temporary shield when hits someone (with a cd).

[vocal palm]

it is not meant to be as far as it is

[swift storm]

He mogs Gawrick mobility

[opal zealot]

Instead of healing

[swift storm]

O bless

[dim raptor]

From gameplay it seems to scale based on server lag

[vocal palm]

yes!

[swift storm]

Nevertheless nerf his healing he's genuinely unkillable

[vocal palm]

its the same thing afflicting projectiles

this one is a lot harder to fix though

[swift storm]

Yea when I lag I go miles

[dim raptor]

On a bad server it nearly goes to 2nd point

[vocal palm]

because i dont know what the intended dash distance is. i did not design this class

as a result it makes it difficult to force that dash distance

[swift storm]

who did

[vocal palm]

when i dont know what it is

[swift storm]

let's beat them up behind the gym

[vocal palm]

idk either sock or quint. i didnt design any of the classes lol

[dim raptor]

Quickfix nerf would be to make slam harmony based to stop games devolving into two irlocks goomba stomping while everyone else watches

[swift storm]

Lex r u related to lexdale

[dim raptor]

since upwards charge also has the benefit of making you impossible to hit

[swift storm]

Quick fix remove his healing

Or upwards charge make charge horizontal only

[vocal palm]

his healing would be a lot better if his dash didnt take him so high

[dim raptor]

does irlok get overheal on kill actually

[opal zealot]

Hits give a temp shield would be good

[vocal palm]

kills the slam lol

[swift storm]

Ye he js becomes a shooting star

[opal zealot]

With a cd, that's good enough

[vocal palm]

like, as a concept

which i don't think is the way to go

[swift storm]

That's my goal 😭

I mean yea that's fair

[dim raptor]

slam seems like more of a chasing tool anyhow

The base slam height boost is good

[swift storm]

It's js ridiculous he gets one hit then he can fly up and be out of reach of everyone then come down and do crazy damage

I don't think just fixing the dash distance will resolve how broken that is

[dim raptor]

Clears short walls, does like 14, gains harmony, lets you melee

[vocal palm]

probably

[faint wharf]

irlok gameplay

[dim raptor]

The obvious design of irlok is to get 5 harmony by meleeing people and chasing with slam/low harmony dashes then gaining a massively buffed charge as a reward

[swift storm]

Irlok more like ew sock

[swift storm]

This would be much better gameplay than one hit then you become the hulk over and over

[dim raptor]

current optimal irlok is jumping on people

Also the big fuckoff knockback cannon might deserve a nerf? with tom nerf i think it deserves a base power cut if nothing else

much more forgiving hitbox, generates harmony and getting hit sends you from mid to 2nd point

[vocal palm]

yeah it got overbuffed

in retrospect

[swift storm]

The amount of teamwipes irlok ult gets on second point is crazy

[dim raptor]

I think a lot of it rn is irlok generating too much ult meter off slams though

[swift storm]

I've had like 3 in a game

[tawdry zinc]

also note like ult hit also generates harmony so you can get 4-5 harmony slams right after to finish off

im split whether i like this or not

[swift storm]

Lowk why does irlok ult charge three times faster than Tom's the Tom ult doesn't do nearly as much

[tawdry zinc]

does it matter they survive when you can just 5 harmony hit them?

or slam?

[tawdry zinc]

toms one was bugged

for a bit

to have slower charage

[swift storm]

Yea ult is basically guaranteed teamwipe

[tawdry zinc]

then intended

[swift storm]

o maybe that's why

[dim raptor]

They're not in position to be finished off because they're at the opposite end of the map after ult lmao

or straight into void

[swift storm]

But with ult you'll kill at least 1 person with the blast and you can js dash or slam the other weakened ones

[tawdry zinc]

well if they were hit int oa wall

or tank

u get the harmony

but what im sayin gis

with the dmg nerf that it needed

[swift storm]

I don't love an ult that ends a whole team fight every 2 encounters yk

[dim raptor]

You get harmony on hit

[tawdry zinc]

you will gain more harmony as with hitting rather then killing (unless kills give harmony i dont know)

[swift storm]

Only better ult is Gawrick but sadly the rest of his kit is ass

[tawdry zinc]

whihc you can use that 4-5 harmony charge to finish the person off

[swift storm]

Hailey is good ult too

[tawdry zinc]

or ALSO kb

[spring steppe]

if slam gets less radius and dash gets fixed does anything else need that many changes

[tawdry zinc]

point being idk if this will do much due to that fact

the nerf*

[spring steppe]

less slam aoe = less dmg = less ults

[swift storm]

Healing imo

[tawdry zinc]

slam yeah needs its thing reverted

[spring steppe]

yeah maybe healing

[swift storm]

Healing is still a lil too good after all those changes

[tawdry zinc]

irlock got that overbuff special as a treat

oh yeah

AND that

[dim raptor]

Healing is whatever

[swift storm]

Make him more glassy for the insane movement and damage

[spring steppe]

me when ult basically heals you to full

[tawdry zinc]

lower hp?

[bright lantern]

is irlok getting nerfed

[tawdry zinc]

if were comparing to like

tom

tom has NOTHING

[prime vapor]

health gulping

[tawdry zinc]

they can be asitting duck

[swift storm]

Lowk maybe lower hp

[tawdry zinc]

there like the actual glass cannon

[dim raptor]

tom feels good to play

[tawdry zinc]

they do

[swift storm]

Tom is like marginally better damage but small movement and no sustain

I love playing Tom tho it feels like quake

[dim raptor]

strong but a theorick can just walk up to you and beat you to death with his stick

[tawdry zinc]

true

yeah

[swift storm]

But irlok has like rickeo level sustain and way more damage

[tawdry zinc]

but that gets into therick hsit

which also like

irlock doesnt care about theo

[swift storm]

Tom is powerless against Theo

Irlok it doesn't matter at all

[tawdry zinc]

it all wraps back to shield

[opal zealot]

Theorick is slow, a tank but can't regen

I think Theorick is pretty balanced rn

[tawdry zinc]

if there healer is good

[dim raptor]

shield cooldown increase made tom much better

[opal zealot]

Except Hailey and Irlok

[tawdry zinc]

they dont have too

[swift storm]

Theo seems fine

[tawdry zinc]

theo is better then they were

im ok with where the yare rn

less shield spam

[swift storm]

Imma gonna start playing Hailey I always like support

[tawdry zinc]

hailey was super op

the nerfs she is getting tho

[opal zealot]

Why canes can deal damage and heal at the same time

[tawdry zinc]

gonna put her in her place

[swift storm]

She feels balanced too like I'm never raging about an enemy Hailey carrying in current state

[dim raptor]

Theo feels bad to play against but thats mostly because of the free kb stuns+130 hp

[opal zealot]

And that was a auto

[tawdry zinc]

canes are barely dps

[opal zealot]

You can just spam canes anyway

[tawdry zinc]

yeah

[dim raptor]

Hailey kind of sucks in pfinder

[swift storm]

Irlok can dominate the game Hailey feels like a good support

[tawdry zinc]

also stunning ults sucks

and like

theo can do it constatly

along with irlock

[dim raptor]

theo ult is just area denial

[tawdry zinc]

its good tho

great dmg

and if you dont react to it

your toast

[swift storm]

Lowk remove Gawrick my pfinder teammates pick him then do nothing all game 😭

[dim raptor]

how do you not react to it

[swift storm]

He's so underpowered compared to everything else

[tawdry zinc]

hear the wolf cry

you got like

[opal zealot]

Gawrick is an interesting character but dude really has an identity crisis tbh

[steel stone]

wdym fixed

[tawdry zinc]

3~ seconds top

[swift storm]

Teleporter should last like three times longer

[tawdry zinc]

before it activates

[dim raptor]

wolf cry+particles+ice breaking

[tawdry zinc]

yeah

fits him well

[opal zealot]

Garwick doesn't look like a support at all

[dim raptor]

and if you're in it just jumpsprint out

[tawdry zinc]

oh ouu said not react

my b i misread

[swift storm]

He is kinda annoying cause how fast he is

[tawdry zinc]

thought you said HOW do you react to it

but also like

[swift storm]

He's like a cockroach yk

[tawdry zinc]

that aoe is nice

to push ppl to edge of point

either to force off or put pressure

to allow dps to swoop in

[dim raptor]

it never does damage in my experience but its worth it to corner people

[tawdry zinc]

and kill

[spring steppe]

randomly dashes for way too long or something

[dim raptor]

Its not even random that shit is consistent

[tawdry zinc]

oh yeah that

well it was due to the bug

it "randomly" effected a lot of the classes

but i wonder how much distance irlock will lose

[steel stone]

Ah

[tawdry zinc]

with the fix

[dim raptor]

Gawrick would be good if everything gets toned down by like a third

[steel stone]

Gawrick is fine

[dim raptor]

Because if irlok gets nerfed people are just going to move on to abusing the fire guy

[steel stone]

Passive a bit gimmicky

[tawdry zinc]

actually hows garick with the

proj speed fix

ik the hitbox is a bit jank

but does it feel better to play

[opal zealot]

Gawrick shift spell just needs a rework tho

[dim raptor]

It's still a slow projectile at its core

you have to get people to chase you or tag them with the damage sphere

Or tp into them then release

gawrick is really fun but then you play against a good composition and go 1/7 kd

[tawdry zinc]

yeah

like they just

idk id imagine it doesnt feel fun to play

you just run around

sending hail marys

tp and maybe get ult

[dim raptor]

base gameplay thrives off picks but it doesnt matter if your team cant even damage them

and you're stuck plinking an overhealed theo with 24 damage every 5 seconds

[tawdry zinc]

I LOVE plinking

https://tenor.com/view/blink-cat-gif-9940464674384740360

[dim raptor]

really fun though

tp is fun, ult is fun, tossing 30 theoretical damage orbs is fun, portals are funny

high ws is also good

[opal zealot]

Gawrick is skill based

Basically

[last geode]

hi chat any balancing since 8 hours ago

[gusty snow]

pov im watching gymnastics in the olympics

[opal zealot]

No, but the current state of the game is pretty onesided

[tawdry zinc]

Irlock!!!

[opal zealot]

2 irloks damage farming isn't exaggerated

[dim raptor]

irlok simulator

[pseudo sun]

i’d lowkey want to see irlok not do damage or maybe no kb for the first 2 harmony points

gives an incentive to actually build harmony rather than spamming it off rip

i played a lot of irlok and can assume how unfun it is to go against

it shreds tanks really fast

[vocal palm]

i hear tha

t

[pseudo sun]

i would also be happy for stun to not make irlocks rmb permanently disabled until god knows what fixes it in game

it’s the only way to take an irlok out of the game unironically

[pseudo sun]

maybe having the first 2 harmony points get nerfed but also slightly buff 3-5 harmony to incentivize some usage out of them? idk i basically never use 3-5 harmony in combat except for just pushing tanks off

[faint wharf]

I like irlok but I’m also evil

[sour night]

i think that gawrick’s ult should summon a sun that turns into a black hole

[loud ravine]

same

[sour night]

air shout should totally be irlok ult

[grizzled dune]

irolok's ult is ridiculous

[fossil saffron]

Theorick's shield feels way to tanky for how little of a cooldown it has by the time it goes down

[elfin garnet]

i think therck shjeidl cd doesnt start til the shield is gone no?

also eyah irlok should prob get the radius reduced as well most classes dont have mobility to escape the jamp attack

also is it possible to make it so dr li's out of mech ultimate doesnt get stuck on blocks? its really annoying on every point and it feels lie u can only use it dead center of mid, center of 2nd point and 3rd point without it getting blocked
the mech suit ult might also be underpowred (need to use more) and is basicallyu only good in closed areas where u can't use the other ult and want to hunt someone, and also has the suprise factor of people assuming u are using the other ult

[pseudo sun]

or just make it so irlok players can’t aim the ult mid cast

[elfin garnet]

:3

also my hands r getting cold from playuing this game too much

i might be cooked

[digital pelican]

it starts automatically

[elfin garnet]

💀

me when i hear misinfromation

[digital pelican]

that's how it should work tbh

[elfin garnet]

makes more sense yeah

its like 15 sec cd rn right

[digital pelican]

yeah

[elfin garnet]

and it lasts for like 4-5 seconds max

idk idrm the shield most of the time cuz i can just break it or pierce it but on tom its prob more annoing

[digital pelican]

give or take yeah

also uh

why can Gawrick spawn Teleporters off the edge of the map

[elfin garnet]

its SO fuuny

best part abt gawrick is team killing

[digital pelican]

I mean it's hilarious but I don't think he should be able to

though hear me out
new ult where he sends the enemy team through his teleporter

[spring steppe]

I think too much downtime on Theo shield may be really bad

like we need consistent counters for tom and irloks relentless dps

[elfin garnet]

shrimply dr legendary >:))))

[spring steppe]

options are always nice

[last geode]

shortest game so far

[elfin garnet]

nope dr legendary supremacy delete theorick and garwick and every other class 😇

[last geode]

e

[terse shuttle]

Guys i think we need to read the pins

[last geode]

rmb shift is the most braindead 40 damage

[crude island]

How many people needs to be in the party?

[last geode]

6 if pfinder 4 or moreif you got a party already

[crude island]

I cant play it until this weekend

I see, ty

[dusty temple]

Irlok Official Feedback Thread

[shrewd willow]

nerf irlok buff gawrick

[dusty temple]

I kinda force myself to not Irlok rn to gain more fun

[shrewd willow]

if enemy team uses irlok theo hailey combo and yours doesn't you are likely to lose 0-3

[fossil saffron]

Just beat a team doing that combo and we just had a theo

Irlok is just tunnel the character and then he gets away for free lol

[frail hollow]

[digital pelican]

would love to but I genuinely don’t know how on iPad

[last geode]

scroll up til you see it

#1314529566877945866 message

also an easy fix for irlok is just decrease the max slam damage

btw

i dont think anyone said that before

but if irlok is standing on the edge of a block and jump, you regen your health 5hp per second

[digital pelican]

Also ngl I ‘m so torn on Hailey’s shout
Cuz on the one hand it’s really bad at the job of keeping enemies off your ass which is what I think it’s ostensibly made to do, especially if said enemy is Irlock
But on the other it’s also really good at getting picks, especially on enemies that aren’t Irlock. Like a Theorick Tom comp just can’t do shit against it a lot of the time especially on point 2
Also sometimes it just doesn’t seem to hit? Like I can’t tell if it’s a range issue or if it just straight up fails to register. Also Theo bubble seems to just straight up eat it if you use it inside an enemy one and I can’t tell if it’s intentional
Realistically I think it’s fine and just needs a consistency fix and maybe a hitbox animation

[digital pelican]

No kb would be way worse tbh

You’d be able to spam RMB into LBM even more than you already can

[spring steppe]

I said it earlier but idk if he needs much more than slam range decrease and charge range decrease

both of those already result in less damage output and wild movement

[dusty temple]

i spent everything just to kill him

[fossil saffron]

Just how tom v irlok is

it's silly

If an irlok catches you below half ammo you're just dead unless you have ult

[dusty temple]

fr

[digital pelican]

Honestly skill issue on his part

[dusty temple]

also make reload using R not Q

[last geode]

damn that irlok is funny as hell

[dusty temple]

i can throw out my weapon 1000 times

[eager grotto]

cannot

[dusty temple]

bruhhhhh

😭

tom playuers do not deserve this

[digital pelican]

Change your drop keybind

Mine is Y

I learned the hard way

[eager grotto]

we are using literally every available input to us in the game I think

[digital pelican]

Honestly lowkey impressed with what you guys have managed

[eager grotto]

thanks

it's been real

[dusty temple]

:<

[fossil saffron]

It is really fun until an irlok goes on a 15 kill streak because his damage is ridiclous

and mobility is insane

[digital pelican]

Like you’ve somehow magyverred Minecraft’s inputs into basically an overwatch style skill system
The only thing that’s really missing is a skill UI in the bottom right

[fossil saffron]

Like the fact an irlok can chase me down and kill me while I'm ontop of a BUILDING as tom is

a bit crazy

[digital pelican]

Irlok moment

Let’s be real any moment in this game rn is an irlok moment

[fossil saffron]

He's easily the best character

[digital pelican]

Yeah
Him and Hailey IMO but she’s a support so she kind of gets a free pass to be good

[fossil saffron]

Yeah

But every other character has genuine flaws, while tom has insane damage and good mobility he's limited by his ammo. Push when you know he's out and he folds quick

[digital pelican]

Also not good against Theo

[eager grotto]

lol yeah this game has been in development for over a year tbf

[digital pelican]

Daaaaaaaaamn
You guys have been working hard

[eager grotto]

fun fact before I shitcoded in a way for us to use q as an input key Tom would awkwardly choose when to automatically reload with a weird timer

[digital pelican]

Genuinely not fair this game only goes on for only 3 weeks

[digital pelican]

That sounds janky as fuck

[eager grotto]

yeah it was lmao

felt awful to play but I was like

we literally have no inputs left for reload

and then I had a brainwave

[digital pelican]

Nice
I was wondering why Tom was the only one to utilize Q but that makes sense actually

[glad basin]

tbh most of the time is just due to slow progress

[dusty temple]

honestly make tom charge 1 ammo a time

and make you able to cancel it

would be good

[glad basin]

to be more specific about how long its taken it started development midway through original banish the beyond development

[eager grotto]

yeah it was stuck in development hell for a bit

[dusty temple]

like you takes same time to charge 8 ammos but you charge each of them during this taking 1/8 of the time

and shooting make you instantly cancel it and shoot once

[eager grotto]

it was literally mainly just one person doing scripting and then I joined then the other person left

[glad basin]

a good bit of why it was in development hell was probably that making a blizzard minigame wasnt super high priority for most of the year

[last geode]

^^

[digital pelican]

Fair enough
How does the dev time compare to the other event games?

[dusty temple]

although i swear my gun will be thown more in battles lmao

cant the gun just be itemlocked in code

[eager grotto]

it is

should be

[dusty temple]

wtf then why it sometimes still drops

[glad basin]

cant speak on bonfire and heroes cause i wasnt around but btb took like 1-2 months

[dusty temple]

either drops when you reload or fake disappear when you respawn

you could still shoot but couldnt casting rmb

[digital pelican]

Wow
You weren’t kidding about development hell

[dusty temple]

i believe you just couldnt do anything if you drop it in battle

[glad basin]

the intention of this minigame was for it to release in last years blizzard festival but it wasnt even close to finished enough by the time blizzard came around

then it was kinda stagnant for a few months

[shrewd willow]

ok one question now

[eager grotto]

development properly picked up around september this year i think

[shrewd willow]

will wynnter fair and that minigame have unified rewards

would be just amazing if yes

[glad basin]

the original person working on it was struggling really hard with motivation and was also juggling it with like 2 other projects (relatable!)

[digital pelican]

Same tbh

[glad basin]

i suggested adding a way to convert blizzard brawl currency into wf presents but idk if it was added

[eager grotto]

i also spent a lot of time bikeshedding random shit like the achievements system and dynamic music

[shrewd willow]

tbh it should be both way exchange not one

[fossil saffron]

God irlok pisses me off sometimes, why does his ult do 60 and have a 20? block range

[glad basin]

absolutely not

[shrewd willow]

why so if I may ask?

[glad basin]

me when i grind the absolute fuck out of wf parkour for 8 hours to get the special vanity trinket

[digital pelican]

Dude the dynamic music is nice
Great touch

[shrewd willow]

could it be like... idk, achievement locked?

so you couldn't parkour grind it

[digital pelican]

Skill issue tbh
Just have more Health

[glad basin]

well hero fest already has a similar thing going on with its currency

theres the coins but youve also got talespun memories which are only from the minigame

[eager grotto]

irlok's ult has a 100 block range i think lol

[glad basin]

and can be converted 1 way into coins

[eager grotto]

maybe we cooked a little too hard on irlok

[digital pelican]

Holy shit
Sniper Irlok

[glad basin]

i suppose the super expensive trinket in heroes costs coins tbf

but i feel like wf is much easier to grind than the carnival games

[shrewd willow]

give it better telegraph and like longer cooldown and it should be fine
I kinda like idea of superultimates where you create pressure by threatening of you might use it

[glad basin]

the only realistic way to get the salted plushie is to play claim to heroism

[glad basin]

ive been saying irlok is too strong for so long

months

actually idk if i complained about that or if i complained that he was confusing to play

or both

[eager grotto]

the dr legendary in question

[shrewd willow]

gawrick

[glad basin]

i mained dr legendary in playtesting

[last geode]

he is never conufisng to play

[glad basin]

he was fun

[glad basin]

well keep in mind he was like mid development here and didnt have tooltips setup and stuff

[last geode]

irlok on first look is: oh i have melee

[eager grotto]

here's the original map plan btw

[glad basin]

so i had no idea wtf i was doing

[eager grotto]

spawns either side of course

[dim raptor]

I have no damn idea how to play dr legendary

[shrewd willow]

actually same

[dim raptor]

I don't think I've ever seen an effective dr legendary either

[shrewd willow]

like I don't know what his left click does and what's the difference between modes

[last geode]

@elfin garnet

[fossil saffron]

WHAT.

[last geode]

yhou never seen this mf play dr legnedray

[glad basin]

dr legendary you shoot people with your laser gun in human form then switch to mech form when youre low and then when mech form is running out of durability you switch back to human form to let the mech regenerate

etc

[fossil saffron]

That is a war crime for it's damage and knockback

to have 100 blocks of range

[glad basin]

just use health packs to heal herbert himself ofc

[digital pelican]

I’ve seen like 3
And I don’t know what they’re doing

[shrewd willow]

isn't better to start off with mech form

[glad basin]

herbert might not be optimal rn

idk what the meta is like i havent played this on live yet

[shrewd willow]

if ur not using irlock theo hailey you lose

[dim raptor]

80% Irlok

[glad basin]

nah cause i find that the laser is better for damaging people

[dim raptor]

every game is determined by which irlok is better

[glad basin]

at the very least the missile is less satisfying to use

[last geode]

dr legnedary is like

get hover before in deep combat
get mech
spam lmb and rmb
get back into human if low
hover out

[shrewd willow]

I'm clueless what his lmb does in mech form

[glad basin]

but the laser feels better for wittling away hp

[dim raptor]

Is hailey that much of a problem rn

[digital pelican]

Nah
I’ve found that Tom Irlok Hailey works too

[shrewd willow]

maybe not but hailey + theo combo is disgusting

[last geode]

launch upwards, and then crash down

[glad basin]

and then when people think theyve got me i can jumpscare them with mech form

[dim raptor]

Kb got gutted, self feast got gutted, healing went down for some reason

[glad basin]

the bait and switch

[shrewd willow]

whenever someone approaches the bubble you just knock them away

literally heavy + medic combo

[eager grotto]

thoughts on dropping theo shield to 50 hp (from 225) and reducing decay from 40/s to like 2/s

[digital pelican]

I think she’s good but it’s mostly because A. Gawrick sucks rn and B. The other characters in the meta can suppliment her healing (specifically Irlok)

[dim raptor]

Would be interesting, rn if you're a projectile class you kind of just wait for shield to disappear

[last geode]

no

125

hp

[digital pelican]

Basically it’s Irlok all the way down

[shrewd willow]

50 hp sounds like overkill but yeah 125 sounds reasonable

[dim raptor]

50 hp might be too little, 125 is too much imo

[digital pelican]

85?

[dim raptor]

Basically a full tom clip, seems fine

[last geode]

• melee

[dim raptor]

125 is an extra theorick of damage

[shrewd willow]

smaller nerf for now and if that is problematic then nerf it again
wynn tend to always overnerf stuff

[dusty temple]

125 with 2decay isnt cooking

[last geode]

^^

[dim raptor]

cata

[glad basin]

what a superstar cast of characters

i'd like to point out that Haily's name is spelt wrong everywhere in this minigame

[eager grotto]

i still think our original design for this site would've been funny

[shrewd willow]

ok but why there is rickeo but not marius?

or like whoever is left from twain family

[glad basin]

because we didnt think of an interesting moveset for marius

[dim raptor]

lightbender

[last geode]

i mean 125hp 20 decay/s

[shrewd willow]

arcanist

[glad basin]

a lot of these characters are just justifications for class ideas

[digital pelican]

I think 85 with like 5-10 should be fine
It’d last a little longer by default but’d be more destructible

[eager grotto]

wdym sam tom is the most relevant character in the game

[shrewd willow]

make yahya as 3rd support

he can have interesting moveset

[glad basin]

as previously stated this guy was also gonna be a class at one point

[last geode]

Will there be another map

[shrewd willow]

suspicious soups for healing and random buffs

[last geode]

as the event goes on

[shrewd willow]

his ultimate would be just a steroid

[glad basin]

tom is my fault i think actually cause i suggested a bunch of craftmas characters and them tom was randomly chosen to be the Guy With Shotgun

[dusty temple]

make the shield do not have hp, last for 6s, and only reduce 50% of the incoming damage

[glad basin]

tom couldve gotten away with being the pirate captain from ice nations

[eager grotto]

not this year

[digital pelican]

He makes you “high” (levitates you)

[glad basin]

he has a shotgun

[frail hollow]

cool wizard cool mech guy villager irrelevant wizzard villager #2 villager #3 woman

[last geode]

https://tenor.com/view/kendrick-lamar-kendrick-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinem-gif-8560162018170751866

[shrewd willow]

crouch ability against enemies mmmmm

[eager grotto]

unless someone on the build team goes truly wild

[dim raptor]

reimplement yahyabot for ult

[last geode]

would be very cool if we see a class that spams ult next year

[digital pelican]

Should’ve been the guys from the Sandy Scandel quest SMH

[last geode]

like their gimmick is to spam ults

[shrewd willow]

nah, ultimate form from that one quest

[dim raptor]

i miss you launch tom

[last geode]

🙁

[eager grotto]

theres actually quite a lot going on behind the scenes to make snowverwatch shooting feel a bit better than other minigames

idk if people have noticed

[shrewd willow]

yahya as buff/debuff champion

[glad basin]

true that guy has a shotgun too

[dim raptor]

Yeah tom feels much better to play than say hypixel cops and crims

[glad basin]

and does a shotgun jump

damn we really shouldve done that

thats annoying

[dim raptor]

but hypixel csgo is like ten years old

[shrewd willow]

can we get soldier and spy as classes

[frail hollow]

nah nah tom is so much better

the idea of a removed character coming back as Guy With Gun is SO PEAK

[last geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167848346485006459/1315028046167801866/watermark.gif

[digital pelican]

I have on Haily oddly

[eager grotto]

i do NOT wanna make the code for spy man

[dim raptor]

Spy doesnt even work in tf2 much less here

[shrewd willow]

you have backstab in game already my man

[frail hollow]

honestly yea

spy is in the game hes called shadestepper

and so are disguises just change it to be a player model

[last geode]

backstab is gonna be so scuffed if it got in blizzy

[dim raptor]

the backstab radius is like 270 degrees

[glad basin]

imagine snowverwatch but with cth/bftb style combat

[dim raptor]

facestabs for years

[digital pelican]

Aledar invis character when?
I don’t care that he’s dead

[frail hollow]

theo and rickeo are also dead so uh

[digital pelican]

I don’t care that we destroyed his soul*

[frail hollow]

hey ct will craftmas chaos or a spiritual successor ever come back in the game? i miss it...

[eager grotto]

unlikely

[dim raptor]

I don't

[eager grotto]

this is the only tom reference you're getting for a while

[shrewd willow]

ok so like
theorick is heavy
rickeo is pyro
dr legendary is demoman
hailey is medic
irlok is demoknight (or saxton hale)
gawrick is engineer (or scout)
tom is sniper

[glad basin]

our only blunder was not adding Barden as a playable character

[digital pelican]

Will Tom ever return to the game? oh

[glad basin]

herbert can snipe too but probably less effectively

[dim raptor]

Herbert sniping for 4 damage shots

[frail hollow]

"tom weilds the blizzard spirit best at a medium range"

[shrewd willow]

also why herbert shoots lasers instead of grape bombs or something like that

[frail hollow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1168917391091179542/1185333871848468490/image.gif

[digital pelican]

Irlok is Scout IMO

[shrewd willow]

irlok is saxton hale tbh

[dim raptor]

think hit and run suits gawrick more, but gawrick has 0 midfight ability

like a back scatter scout with 1 clip

[shrewd willow]

meatshots

[digital pelican]

Gawrick has zero ability of any kind

[shrewd willow]

gawrick likes to do meatshots

[frail hollow]

hey ct, do you track stats like which characters are the most played or which people get the most kills on?

[eager grotto]

images from the blizzard bash development whiteboard

[shrewd willow]

amazing

[frail hollow]

lol

[dim raptor]

42 burst is theoretically good

[shrewd willow]

42? when it was buffed

it was 30

[dim raptor]

12 from tp+30 sphere

The tp basically being hitscan is very good as well

[shrewd willow]

me when irlok

[frail hollow]

oh man i can think of a character that can do 40 damage in a 8 block aoe every 5 seconds

[dim raptor]

except its irlok season

[digital pelican]

Support Character moment

[shrewd willow]

hitscan hitbox

he does suffer from small hitbox syndrome though

[digital pelican]

Also that hinges on you hitting tp which uh

[eager grotto]

did you guys know you have a larger hitbox when you're in mech form as dr legendary

[digital pelican]

Yeah

[dim raptor]

You also cant really chase people as gawrick because they outrun gleamsphere

[shrewd willow]

kek

[digital pelican]

The key to chasing people as Gawrick is to have ult and a lot of spite for that person

[frail hollow]

is it possible for on a technical level to make the player bigger too with the generic.scale attribute or is that not an option yet

[eager grotto]

not possible

[dusty temple]

no but i feel i have a larger hitbox when people nuking me as dr legendary mech

[dim raptor]

ult is a stronger theorick ult but takes years to charge up because of gawrick low damage/healing output

like 20 dmg if you're in line of site+stun+kb, sets up warp/sphere, area denial

[digital pelican]

It really does

[shrewd willow]

YEP

[dim raptor]

It forces people into sidelines where you can throw orbs at them

[shrewd willow]

@eager grotto when gawrick buffs 🥺

[eager grotto]

idk

[shrewd willow]

😦

[eager grotto]

gawrick is in a weird spot i think

[frail hollow]

gawrick is uh bad i think

[eager grotto]

needs a (partial at least) rework rather than a buff

[frail hollow]

team mobility isnt as useful as it sounds

[digital pelican]

Honestly yeah

[shrewd willow]

I won't say no to it

[dim raptor]

I don't like gleamsphere autoreleasing

[shrewd willow]

I don't like gleamsphere being only one projectile

it could just be

the longer you charge the more projectiles you spawn

[dim raptor]

Makes it so you basically never get the full 30 unless someone is chasing you since you have to actively seek targets

which makes the effective 5-6 second chargeup much worse

[digital pelican]

Gawrick feels like a loose collection of ideas mangled into the concept of a mobility support

[shrewd willow]

mhm, yeah

[dim raptor]

Just like warp

but without the base dps

[shrewd willow]

could we also get like class with sentry or something like that

[eager grotto]

lord no that would be such a pain to code /hj

[shrewd willow]

tiny theo barrier that can also deal damage

[vast valve]

lost 22 rating again bcause of beign stuck in the map yay

gained 0 from winning too

[eager grotto]

thats how they get ya

anyone know the way to repro getting stuck in the map

[vast valve]

uh

[dim raptor]

no idea but I'd guess its the problem of being stuck in half slabs

[fossil saffron]

Uh

I broke the game

[dim raptor]

sometimes warps send garwick into walls

[eager grotto]

gratz

[dusty temple]

me when tom

[shrewd willow]

I lost about 100 season rating over 20 games with 50% win ratio, including 2 losses from games being 2v3

[vast valve]

ive won 22 and done 34 total, but i only have 1028 rating lmao

[eager grotto]

yeah it was broken for a bit i think

[eager grotto]

try reselecting your class

[fossil saffron]

Help I'm stuck

/kill did nothing

[eager grotto]

lol

try relogging

[fossil saffron]

Okay relogging worked

[dusty temple]

half of the kills are from the tom and bro is still not changing 😭 😭 😭

i feel so bad for his teammates

[last geode]

relogging but you lose some elo

[eager grotto]

• Fixed at least one issue which could cause games to die if someone left during class select (will be live with next push)

[last geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897193043004899379/1313925944817225819/holy_cookies.gif

[dusty temple]

lol

[indigo patrol]

nah ive been playing alot of gawrick recently

[dusty temple]

i will use if im about to los-

[indigo patrol]

he is very solid

you have to play super weirdly tho

tp + primary is a decent like 42 burst

u have to just go around clicking the weakest person

you legit cant die tho

[loud remnant]

"at least one" makes ct work sound so depressing

[flat zodiac]

tom gaming 🔥

[dusty temple]

not the phone photo 😭

[flat zodiac]

How did i gave healing with tom

???????

[last geode]

0 death phone photo is crazy

[shrewd willow]

packs

[last geode]

healing packs count but i g that is a high number

[flat zodiac]

Oh that's how much i healed myself

[shrewd willow]

yep

[last geode]

pciking up 16 packs in a 12minute game is crazy

[dusty temple]

if you could have zero deaths on tom either you have 100% accuracy or there is no irlok following you 24/7

[flat zodiac]

I have camped on top of an houe

house

for half of the game

basically nobody could have hit me unless they were tom

but their tom was trash

[dusty temple]

but irlok

did they have irlok

[flat zodiac]

How can irlock come on top of an house

[flat zodiac]

yes

[dusty temple]

chat he doesnt know

[flat zodiac]

Oh wait, yeha the irlock ignored me

kinda?

Did he even realised i was on top of the house?

I think he was clueless

[dusty temple]

thats a huge skill issue if the irlok just dont target you

[flat zodiac]

Even if he tried to come close to me

I'm too fast

[dusty temple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1314529566877945866/1314998936150347897/Clipchamp_79.mp4?ex=67567871&is=675526f1&hm=6bf4a11300a4e9947c9a21cb3458faaf9413dd555605e980cdd111a03950eb2c&

thats how far we can charge

[flat zodiac]

Man wtf

[dusty temple]

and thats not the limit

[eager grotto]

lol ok this is bugged

[dusty temple]

Every charge is bugged like that ingame

I mean sometimes they go oddly far

[eager grotto]

its bc of lag

[dusty temple]

Flame tornado can also be like this

[dusty temple]

I guess the lag sometimes decides to send me up 100blocks with the charge

[eager grotto]

yeah lol

[dusty temple]

When i have 5harmony xd

[eager grotto]

well you see our while loops get slowed when lag starts happening

so things dont increment as much as they should

[dusty temple]

insane

[last geode]

Wake up guys 5v5 is a thing

[eager grotto]

?

[last geode]

count how many blues are there

the result might shock you

[eager grotto]

lol

did 2 games start at once or something

[last geode]

i think we got put into a server with an existing game

and i cant hit anyone rofl

[eager grotto]

yeah that tracks

im sure that would break things in hilarious ways

[last geode]

yeah

[dark cloud]

i despise irlok.

thank you for coming to my ted talk

[fossil saffron]

I agree!

[dusty temple]

Lmao

Now its literally a moba game

[last geode]

would be funny if next year's blizzard is LOL

[dusty temple]

FR

[eager grotto]

the game is actually like

heavily hardcoded to three players each team

[knotty shell]

why df

[vast valve]

well flame tornado makes u go far the longer you hold it right? or is max distance still too far?

[frail hollow]

sorry :(

[dark cloud]

😠

[sour night]

i think herbert ult in mech form should place tnt over the entire map (li reference)

[eager grotto]

real

[steel cosmos]

You see sockmower we have ways (and even whole libraries) that make this just factually not impactful

[dark cloud]

i need random crits so that i can kill the irlok players in one shot

i got the trinkets i wanted plus a single copy of the chestplate but i do like the minigame

well, like it when i don't get effectively oneshot by an irlok

thing has to be the most despicable class in the entire minigame period

[eager grotto]

yeah I'm just not currently using em lol

[dark cloud]

whoever thought it was a great idea to give a highly mobile class with reasonable hp that much damage ontop of it and a huge aoe knockback

[dusty temple]

i just got fucked by a tom which aim his shotgun on me everytime

when im irlok 😭

[spice cove]

bruh why so many irlok haters when theorick is the real problem

this is wild

nerf theo!!!

[dusty temple]

bro theorick+a tom which aim so well+irlok is so busted 😭

[tawdry zinc]

:)
I love Dr L handing out those L’s to like Tom or Irlock

@elfin garnet FULL jackie mode

[spice cove]

why does theo a class that makes itself invincible get to do so much damage pls nerf it ct plssss

[terse shuttle]

Tbf theo with good aim is kinda crazy (but obviously irlok can just basically bypass theo shield so who cares)

[flat zodiac]

are the achievements of rickeo even possible?

[eager grotto]

probably

[flat zodiac]

finally, i had to complain for wynncraft to work.
Done yetting someone out of the map with the whipe

now i just have to afk the whole game

[faint wharf]

I don’t think the healing one works

I took 20 damage in a game as rickeo and definitely burned for more than that

[eager grotto]

yeah it might be bugged

ill look at it

should b fixed soon i think

[shrewd willow]

it's not blizzard brawl it's irlok brawl

[faint wharf]

I’m not sure exactly what’s up but it’s possible it’s not counting healing beyond max health

[loud remnant]

The brawl for who picks irlok first

As always, assassin is either broken or dogshit... what a world we live in

Even in minigames somehow

[shrewd willow]

trickster

[loud remnant]

It's the entirety of assassin

Been that way forever

[shrewd willow]

isn't irlok just something between assassin and warrior

[loud remnant]

Either broken or shit, no other state

[shrewd willow]

yep

[indigo patrol]

is the ricko achivement unachiveable

[eager grotto]

one of them is right now

no

[shrewd willow]

when irlok damage nerf 😭

[eager grotto]

never

i enjoy seeing you all complain about him /lh

[shrewd willow]

ok!

December 30th

[eager grotto]

after the festival

it's never coming back

[indigo patrol]

gg i think this is all possible achivements?

im 90% sure ricko is bugged

[eager grotto]

gg

he is

[indigo patrol]

super fun tho

[terse shuttle]

Alr make garlic:
Gleamsphere (rmb) self heal 1hp per second charged on hit (same as dmg so you cant spam rmb but actually need to wait a second for it to at least work)
Event horizon (ult) transfer the hp from the enemies damaged by it to allies in it's range (aka. heal people in range for the same amount of damage it deals to enemies), like for example you suck in 2 enemies and deal a total of 2(1.8 x 7) = 25 damage, then heal each ally in range for the same amount (obv while they are getting damaged instead of a burst heal at the end of the ult)
Very balanced!

Gawrick yap session please fix him please

[swift storm]

What was hardest

[terse shuttle]

I beg you garlic sucks so har

[indigo patrol]

ricko fire whip off the map

honestly

garwick is pretty decent

[terse shuttle]

Nuh uh

[indigo patrol]

you just play health packs and burst squishys

yeah

[swift storm]

Do u have to self sacrifice

[glad basin]

we've decided actually to remove wynncraft and make blizzard brawl the whole game

[indigo patrol]

you physically cannot die if you play him right

[indigo patrol]

yuh

[glad basin]

ty for the feedback!

[wispy dawn]

what were the last changes made to the minigame? I noticed Hailey's food's sprite got changed and it's not in the pins

[swift storm]

Tysm

Finally

[eager grotto]

• players with an active silverbull subscription will now take 15% less damage

[terse shuttle]

But gawrick sucks ass either way idc if hes good 🤗

[wispy dawn]

gawrick was goated when one player could stall the cap indefinitely

[glad basin]

• when playing as tom, you must consume silverbull shares to reload. untradable shares only.

[terse shuttle]

• Players with CHAMPION rank deal 30% more damage

[glad basin]

• tom does 500000% more damage

[eager grotto]

pre EULA change wynn

[wispy dawn]

no but seriously I do actually want to know

unless it was part of those changes and it wasn't listed along with whatever else there was

[orchid skiff]

wasnt that lexnt touching it or so

[wispy dawn]

hell if I know

[glad basin]

• irlok now requires the Irlok Expansion DLC to play, which can be bought on store.wynncraft.com for 15 dollars

[orchid skiff]

surely we have all the minigames datas somewhere and in like a decade we will get a memorial minigame server...

wynnplex

[terse shuttle]

Make a hypixel smash heroes copy but in wynn

[glad basin]

i wanted to try making super smash bros in wynn actually

[still idol]

genius

[swift storm]

Make irlok locked behind champion rank

[glad basin]

but im too stupid

[swift storm]

Festival of heroes watch out !!

[glad basin]

so it didnt happen

[wispy dawn]

just ask ChatGPT

problem solved

[glad basin]

chatgpt is literally a virtual idiot

it would not help

[wispy dawn]

(it will give you the most abhorent answer)

[swift storm]

I use ChatGPT for all my builds

[glad basin]

it would just say "I. AM NOT. A MORON!!!!" and then slam me into a pit

[swift storm]

I am a surgeon

[orchid skiff]

chatgpt is good at reading out examples until it starts hallucinating

[swift storm]

I need blizzard brawl gifs

[shrewd willow]

so it's december 30th

[last geode]

ngl sounds great

[eager grotto]

Wheatley class coming soon

[loud remnant]

class passive any hit taken sends you to the moon

[wispy dawn]

Antikythera or w/e is the spelling

[loud remnant]

real

can we get a portal themed quest

we have a glados already

[wispy dawn]

WYNNTRON FOR QUEST NPC TRUST

[elfin garnet]

mech rmb backshots to the beyond :)))

[sturdy quartz]

hailey is in that category of if you ignore her she is a terrifying threat due to keeping everyone else alive.
But when you focus her's she is kinda easy to deal with (but she can kick your ass if you don't get close.) Just stay away from any cliff's.

[elfin garnet]

the kb us prob less threatening now but yeah just have a braincell and don't fight on an edge

[sturdy quartz]

oh the thing is her shift is a bit vertical as well. So she can send you over the wall's in some areas

[gusty snow]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

me when the enemy is playing irlok

[sturdy quartz]

i noticed that when i managed to send an enemy over the surrounding wall in the central point xD they didn't enjoy that

Also it completely bypassing theo's shield really makes it funny

Rickeo's dash btw is finnicky as hell and i hate it

[swift storm]

Yea

She's fun to play and I think you get shards for healing

But she has low survivability you kinda js have to hide and pocket ur irlok Theo or Tom

[sturdy quartz]

yeah but on the other side she does have the ability to also pick off weaker targets

oh someone's escaping with a few health left? She can quickly close the distance to kill them

[eager grotto]

is the virality achievement working btw

[sturdy quartz]

which 1's that

[eager grotto]

play with a dev or someone who already has the achievement

[sturdy quartz]

did not realise that existed

i have it

idk when but i got it

[faint wharf]

I wonder how fast that spreads

[vocal palm]

probably fairly quickly

[faint wharf]

It does work when playing with CT but I have no idea if it works spreading to other people

[elfin garnet]

i got it my first game i think

[faint wharf]

I like irlok cause it remind me of DPS doomfist from OW and I will keep playing it

[faint wharf]

My first game was with Angie so it spreading

[summer dune]

Irlok has been reminding me of Genji because of how scary it is to go up against someone who knows how to play well

[elfin garnet]

shrimply dr legendary zzzzz

[eager grotto]

is rating loss a bit more forgiving now

[last geode]

sir can you not make another backshot joke ever again?

[last geode]

does zeer count?

[orchid saddle]

idk how i got in the roof but i got stuck and saw 2 signs and something that resembled a red amongus at point 1 lol

[eager grotto]

no

[last geode]

☹️

[indigo patrol]

honestly buff garwicks dmg from 6 per second -> 8 and he would be fine

or let him peirce barriers or smth idk

[shrewd willow]

buff also his tp

not lmb, crouch

[elfin garnet]

😇

[indigo patrol]

dym

wdym*

his crouch tp is fine

[sturdy quartz]

It really isn't. You're literally just using it either to get to the front lines, or just annoying someone. It does nothing otherwise.

[indigo patrol]

?

do you not use it to grab health packs?

its a longer tp which u can cycle

[sturdy quartz]

no one does. remember this is a class that's meant to be a support.

[elfin garnet]

its not rlly suppport its gimmick is jut mobility

[loud ravine]

I feel like portal would be good if it didn't last so short.

[sturdy quartz]

Thing is support category. it should really benefit it's teammates more.

[loud ravine]

And maybe targets better? Like you could use it to help your teamates get to high spots to snipe

[sturdy quartz]

The portal would be great if it was one of those "the enemy has to destroy it" things but lasted much longer

[loud ravine]

Or help them get in close range

Like it clearly has potential but it's balance and jankis holding it back rn I think

[sturdy quartz]

sprinting also just does not help teammates much

[loud ravine]

Does the sprint and healing even apply

[sturdy quartz]

yes.

[elfin garnet]

:3333

theres no other category to put high asf mobility in

so he sjsut slapped into suppot

[sturdy quartz]

until you remember he sucks at giving anyone else mobility

[loud ravine]

How big is the buff aoe

[elfin garnet]

he just needs some rework to begood rn hes sjut annoyign with some burst dmg with ult(very avoidable too!!!!)

[sturdy quartz]

i think like 4 or 5 blocks nearby?

i've had a few teammates do it and felt the healing. Well seen my health rise by 1.

[loud ravine]

Maybe the buffs could linger a bit after leaving the aoe too

[sturdy quartz]

issue is, any class with AoE immediately shuts gawrick down unless he can leave in time

[loud ravine]

?

Such as?

[sturdy quartz]

His speed makes him hell to hit for direct attacks.
But Irlok doctor legendary and I think tom all have AoE's that can cause issues

[dark cloud]

irlok will cause issues for anything that isn't another irlok

fuck that thing

[sturdy quartz]

tbf even when you balance him Irlok can just slam gawrick whenever he gets annoying

[loud ravine]

Tomdoesnt have aoe and Dr li has mega slow projectiles

[sturdy quartz]

tom has the explosion mine thing

[loud ravine]

Its not actaully aoe

[sturdy quartz]

doctor legendary has the slam attack

[dark cloud]

am i the only one that feels like the grenade from tom is in reality just a direct hit with fake explosion

[loud ravine]

Slam takes 2 years to land

[loud ravine]

It is

[cursive zephyr]

it is

[shrewd willow]

lasts too short to like actually take advantage of that

[dark cloud]

god bless

[shrewd willow]

wayyyy too short
and teammates don't use it too

[sturdy quartz]

i never really used tom so i just assumed AoE because explosion

Doctor legendary i found it's great because gawrick either has to use a tp which half the time just backfires or just take the bad hit.
And irlok is just a presence to every class.

[dark cloud]

tom is probably the most fun i've had in this minigame until an irlok airstrikes me and decides to focus me down all game

[loud ravine]

Anyway irlok you can still outrun from my experience

[sturdy quartz]

depends on how much harmony

[loud ravine]

True

[sturdy quartz]

i will say from my games, if that irlok wants you dead in any point that's not the central one they will easily hunt you down

only concrete way i've seen is rickeo can just do the heal more damage than the irlok can do idea which... works?

[dark cloud]

even my strategy to just void people as healer is invalidated the moment the irlok targets me

[loud ravine]

Dr li is op against slow targets because his mech dps really relies on the direct hit interaction

[sturdy quartz]

tbf crushing blow is 3.5 block range.

Which in most situations outside of someone using a mobility ability is gonna hit unless you're bad at aiming