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#Blizzard Brawl Official Feedback Thread
dusty temple
drowsy meteor
i love it when i get launched as dr legendary but just use the human form helicopter mode to fly back
flat zodiac
Can someone help me understand how gawrick even works?
It does no healing, no damage, all it seems to do is being reallly good at running away from his duties
flat zodiac
I've seen one good gawrick but I could not tell you what they were doing
Did it do damage? Or just run?
wooden cloud
Have the changes for the minigame released yet?
dim raptor
kept getting frags
wooden cloud
Can someone help me understand how gawrick even works?
It does no healing, no da...
He does Absolutely Nothing
sullen lotus
Gawrick just doesn't work I feel
flat zodiac
Gawrick just doesn't work I feel
If the damage from his weapon would be 2x it could work as hit and run
ig
wooden cloud
His teleporter is pretty useless, it feels like Engineer's teleporter but the point is lost because the maps are so small and you have such little respawn time that it doesn't matter
wooden cloud
I don't think it needs to deal 60 damage especially when Tom's ult is going to deal 60 damage
dim raptor
Gleamsphere does let you get up to 42 damage picks but it gets fucked by theorick shield/any form of passive healing or active healing
wooden cloud
It should perhaps just charge up faster and do like 40 or something
dim raptor
The only benefit is gawrick being somewhat hard to kill since they have 2 teleports+high ws at any given point, but doesnt contribute much
dusty temple
i also party with a gawrick that plays so well but myself just do not know how it works
having a skill that only does is put a tp pad is so silly
shrewd willow
If I'm being honest that skill is barely useful
flat zodiac
If I'm being honest that skill is barely useful
Your team mates are not even gonna use it
flat zodiac
Who do yall like to play so far
sniper
dusty temple
Gleamsphere does let you get up to 42 damage picks but it gets fucked by theoric...
isnt it only 30 max
shrewd willow
It doesn't last long enough to serve as fast travel between the capture point
dusty temple
6s per second
shrewd willow
Your team mates are not even gonna use it
And that
dusty temple
and you have to aim it xd
swift storm
I wanna get really good at the swordsmen
shrewd willow
Aiming is less of an issue
swift storm
How many harmonies should I get before I rmb
dusty temple
Aiming is less of an issue
yeah but i just mean having that on a support is not relly benefiting
Zen in overwatch could be a dps while auto healing and auto debuffing people but gawrick is just running while you couldnt really oneshot people like zen
shrewd willow
The healing does not make any sense imo
I talk about a wand
shrewd willow
And tp could have wider hitbox
dusty temple
could have so much adjusts on gawrick
loud remnant
embodiment of acrobat
wooden cloud
Cause rn he feels underwhelming
He is kinda weak
dusty temple
embodiment of acrobat
lmao
how is dr legendary weak
he strong af when you learns how to nuke people
even Irlok will cry if you nuke him once
(i do)
wooden cloud
Unless he was buffed last night he is like the worst character ever
I would win any interaction with Dr. Legendary he just didn't deal enough damage
and he wasn't really that tanky
Once you take down his mech health he does terrible damage
wooden cloud
Idk dude everybody but Dr. Legendary and Gawrick feel pretty overpowered
Tom is probably pretty high up there
Rickeo is awesome unless he got nerfed Idk
wooden cloud
Basically just keep hitting because dealing burn damage heals you
shrewd willow
could have so much adjusts on gawrick
Also it feels like his main attack deals less damage than it's supposed to
At least he has very strong ult
wooden cloud
Use Fiery Lasso and Flame Tornado to chase down opponents
shrewd willow
Which sadly, got nerfed
swift storm
Yea Gawrick had strongest ult by far
dusty temple
Also it feels like his main attack deals less damage than it's supposed to
At le...
i still remember my ult got canceled twice because of stun
swift storm
I js felt like fiery lasso was eh cause it brings opponents close and rickeo doesn't do well close range esp against Tom shotgun or irlok
dusty temple
man that made me quit gawrick
swift storm
Who stuns
dusty temple
Irlok
swift storm
O ok
dusty temple
Theorick
wooden cloud
Rickeo does great close range
shrewd willow
Actually gawrick just kind of reminds me of singed
Just running around and causing distraction to enemies
Except he doesn't deal damage by running around
sullen lotus
Both of the supports feel really lackluster tbh
grizzled dune
support is always kinda doomed to be less fun than dps or tank
but man is it frustrating playing on a team with no support against a team with one
shrewd willow
Both of the supports feel really lackluster tbh
Hailey had to get nerfed already
shrewd willow
Hailey had like funny mechanics
shrewd willow
literally do not need any healing 😭
And packs heal 20 hp fr fr
sullen lotus
Hailey had to get nerfed already
But the gameplay or design is not there I think
dusty temple
I just thought something that if we make irlok damage to half and hp to 1.5x he would be a very op tank
And the gimmick is self healing and mobility
shrewd willow
But the gameplay or design is not there I think
Ig her jump and passive don't fit? Rest us fine
And Gawrick is just janky
sullen lotus
I'm really not sure what gawrick is trying to be
Why is gleamsphere a slow-traveling projectile on the speed class...
sullen lotus
Teleporters work in a sense but they don't feel great to use either
shrewd willow
He's in theory hit and run class
dim raptor
I don't like gleamsphere auto releasing
shrewd willow
But there's too much run and not enough hit in it
sturdy quartz
If I'm being honest that skill is barely useful
I literally use it to immediately jump in the fight. Only ever use
shrewd willow
Yep
It needs a rework tbh
Probably needs to be more like engineer's teleporter
Or be more than just a teleport
sturdy quartz
the healing side also just is not worth it. when sprinting can be immediately countered by anything kb wise it goes horribly. also the teleport healing, doing the same as hailey with that cooldown is... iffy (not saying there should be a cooldown but it's just not that good at support)
shrewd willow
Give him damage on his passive to make him annoying little shit
dusty temple
Gawrick is an inventor who works on creating spells. He is eccentric and obsessed with making unnecessary spells.
shrewd willow
Damaging passive sounds something like he would do
swift storm
Gawrick should take damage over time to make him more lore accurate and even less usable
last geode
How many harmonies should I get before I rmb
2-3 2 if you have a wall nearby
shrewd willow
Technically gawrick?
last geode
so you do ult rmb shift melee melee rmb
wooden cloud
Chat I'm thinking Irlok might need a nerf on the shift damage and radius scaling
last geode
so you do ult rmb shift melee melee rmb
thats a very good combo imo
wooden cloud
If he drops from any decent height which he can easily do with harmony stacks the shift becomes like an unavoidable 40 damage 10 radius bomb
sullen lotus
If I'm being honest that skill is barely useful
I think teleporter on the class was more because "speed" than thinking about the actual ramifications
shrewd willow
It's not because of that
sullen lotus
You can use it to get to the point quicker or just place it down on point for some reason
shrewd willow
People don't know that they can use it and it lasts way too short
last geode
i think tp is just to rush mid and gain short advantage lead
sullen lotus
Even if it was used it wouldn't amount to much
last geode
^^
sour night
You can use it to get to the point quicker or just place it down on point for so...
place it on top of itself and it launches you into the air
sullen lotus
Is this a suggestion or bug abuse report
sour night
nah you put it above it slightly so you face onto a higher platform
and it propels you upwards
shrewd willow
i think tp is just to rush mid and gain short advantage lead
That would be the point if allies would know that they can use it
Whenever I placed it, it was completely ignored
sour night
i think tp is just to rush mid and gain short advantage lead
Irlok charge:
sour night
me when the rmb and then a quick slam
real
gotta get huge damage right out of respawn
last geode
you pretty much get 3 free harmonies if clueless team
sour night
Make it last like a minute or something like that
irlok stun but it lasts a minute
last geode
definitely it needs a longer duration for sure
sour night
it needs at least double or even triple duration
shrewd willow
irlok stun but it lasts a minute
I'm talking about gawrick teleporter
last geode
did they consider adding more class?
sour night
but thats probably just a skill issue
sour night
did they consider adding more class?
they scrapped the first one
last geode
wym first ome
sturdy quartz
i feel like every time I’ve played gawrick the projectile hasnt done anything
it's annoying to hit but it does damage a bit
last geode
one
sour night
lightweaver ahh ult
last geode
on what character
sturdy quartz
rickeo's the only ultimate i hate though
gawrick... kinda? works but you really have to surprise people with it
shrewd willow
it's annoying to hit but it does damage a bit
It's too slow
Hard to hit in general
Sure you technically are fast and reach point blank distance somewhat easily
last geode
also would be nice there is a dr legendary ult warning
shrewd willow
But timing is the issue
last geode
dont wanna get nuked with 120 overhealth
ngl i would rank:
S+: Irlok
S: Rickeo Dr. Li Haliey
A: Tom
B: Theorick
C: Gawrick
theorick is pretty much balanced imo
swift storm
I'm gonna try and main rickeo cause I feel like every team has at least 2 ppl who wanna play irlok and if you quick lock then it's a lil toxic
last geode
(me) 
sour night
I'm gonna try and main rickeo cause I feel like every team has at least 2 ppl wh...
i tend to quicklock theorick
if hes not available i run hailey
last geode
gawrick
sour night
give riftwalker a black hole instead of timelocked
last geode
ig he passive should be same as time dialation but it actually does damage
last geode
give riftwalker a black hole instead of timelocked
black hole is so good for trolling purposes
sour night
lol
sturdy quartz
halie being able to overheal herself is getting really dumb
wooden cloud
Just went a full game where my ultimate did not function at all
last geode
Just went a full game where my ultimate did not function at all
find your offhand keybijd
bindd
and set it to F
sturdy quartz
I really feel like it should not be a thing where she can just keep using the feast on herself
last geode
or anykey
sour night
Just went a full game where my ultimate did not function at all
ult is bound to swap hands
wooden cloud
Tried playing Gawrick and every time I used ult it consumed the entire meter, made a sad blaze noise and did nothing
last geode
dont play gawrick 
sturdy quartz
no i think gawrick just has that bug where black hole won't work sometimes
last geode
btw
the sad thing with rickeo and theorick’s ult is you cant tell is it your enemy’s or your teammate
sturdy quartz
Tbf i don't think any of them you can bar a couple.
You defintely can't with hellfire.
glad basin
some are
the number is fast declining though
quint left
tonarn left
amelia quit as a gm and is now just a mod
vocal palm
halie being able to overheal herself is getting really dumb
yea we want to heavily nerf self overheal
prime vapor
put the brackets on different lines....
I beg of you......
shrewd willow
yea we want to heavily nerf self overheal
Please also make it glowing
vocal palm
make what glowing
the food? it already is
it just needs to be bigger
and more visible
steel cosmos
put the brackets on different lines....
I beg of you......
one action protection clauses get onelined, sorry
shrewd willow
It wasn't yesterday and I didn't have chance to play
shrewd willow
it just needs to be bigger
Gawrick tp too?
wooden cloud
I think getting stunned out of black hole permanently breaks black hole for the round
I got stunned out of it once and then the next time I tried to use it the ult broke
but Iw as using it fine previously
shrewd willow
Like sure his ult is strong but teleporters DESPERATELY need something
vocal palm
I think getting stunned out of black hole permanently breaks black hole for the ...
oh interesting
glossy yoke
I think the teleporters should be bigger, glowing, longer-lasting, and farther-range.
empty pier
vocal palm
yea
plucky widget
tom feels terrible to me idk if just ping issue (should be around 100) but long range just doesn't feel right, I click and stuff happens .3 later
outer tulip
this game is discouraging ranged play ngl
like the points are too small to do anything
plucky widget
yes sure capture point doesnt like ranged but my main issue is the delay
pseudo sun
tom feels terrible to me idk if just ping issue (should be around 100) but long ...
it’s not hitscan, bullets have a travel speed
pseudo sun
they didn’t for me
vocal palm
tom's is one of the only class with hitscan i think
plucky widget
yeah it's so slow lol I have to predict enemies and can't just track
pseudo sun
i’ve had so many interactions with players at around 20 blocks away and the bullets did not feel like they’re hitscan
i had to shoot a little in front of them to actually land the shot
vocal palm
let me go check
plucky widget
I assume we all know irlok is disgustingly good
vocal palm
yeah tom's bullets have 0 travel time
pseudo sun
i’m confused then
because yesterday my crosshair were on enemies 90% of the time when far away but they never landed
elfin garnet
yeah i dont even get shards fro these games(also why does pfinder send u to worlds that r ending soon silly game)
plucky widget
tom is so ass idek what his ult does
pseudo sun
one big piercing damage bullet
plucky widget
yes I read it
pseudo sun
i originally thought that tom had hitscan but people before me experienced the travel speed
they said it’s super fast but not instant
vocal palm
its possible the inconsistency lies in the hitboxes
pseudo sun
only way to really notice it is going on the tallest building and trying to snipe a moving target on points
wooden cloud
So
I found out why people think Dr. Legendary is good
If you hit his rocket point blank it bugs out and triggers like 5 times
and deals 50 damage
vocal palm
interesting
orchid skiff
wasnt there something with minecraft where the crosshair is off where things goes
sour night
also is there a reason we take hp damage when hit by attacks
because ive seen someone like straight up die
spice cove
lightbender is so frustrating
eager grotto
also is there a reason we take hp damage when hit by attacks
you shouldn't
spice cove
why do we need 2 op projectile tank classes
solar rain
there is a bug if i die when i am using gawricks ultimate then i cant use it the rest of the game idk if it applies to other classes
pseudo sun
is the bug about irlok’s rmb not casting at all known
empty pier
love when someone leaves mid class selection that the entire game breaks and nobody can progress so you have to hub and lose 16SR
forest jungle
It would be epic if the health and ult charge replaced the actual player health and mana
swift storm
im lowk beginning to enjoy dr legendary
sour night
is the bug about irlok’s rmb not casting at all known
you need at least one harmony to cast charge
pseudo sun
you need at least one harmony to cast charge
i know
loud ravine
If you hit his rocket point blank it bugs out and triggers like 5 times
Yeah found this out
elfin garnet
me when i nuke irlok 😇
loud ravine
I think its balanced with the slow projectile speed but idk what its like when its fixed
prime vapor
roaming destroyer cosplay
elfin garnet
my belkoved
swift storm
rickeo growing on me
tawdry zinc
Its funny reading the thread and seeing completely polar takes
Most recent being on tom
Either shit or godlike
sturdy quartz
tom is just annoying.
Very easy to kill when you get the jump on them because they rarely manage to get out of the fight.
But if they're just far enough way you aren't doing much without quickly getting close
elfin garnet
Its funny reading the thread and seeing completely polar takes
Most recent being...
where wynncraft money scheme
tawdry zinc
If you land hinder you can ;)
tawdry zinc
where wynncraft money scheme
No more money
sturdy quartz
hailey is defintely way too good at stalling with the fact she can overheal herself, kb enemies just out of pure spite and run rings around the capture point
Theorick is just obnoxious the moment he has any healing source.
elfin garnet
haily will jsuit get self heal nuked a bit and it will be fine surely!
sturdy quartz
thing is on other players it's fine
it's just her slapping them down solely to not die.
elfin garnet
just make it so it either has longer cd or less self overheall and more overheal on mates
and ofc make it bigger
sturdy quartz
also irlok's ultimate is actually hell to dodge
swift storm
I feel like this game is just which team has the better irlok
elfin garnet
Das crazy buh
shrewd willow
These are some tony snell numbers u lowk deserve 0 😭
not even my man
cursive zephyr
someone was on irlok so he had to make a backup plan
sour night
man did not remember what gawrick did
shrewd willow
that scream deals insane damage
vocal palm
hey everyone im looking to get a list of projectiles that move slowly
currently looking at gawrick rmb
shrewd willow
all the games are just irlok theo and hailey
vocal palm
whats up with irlok
elfin garnet
Dr legendary is p good too but the shield is so good to prevent irlok jamp attack
shrewd willow
also the fucking lag
vocal palm
also the fucking lag
this is the projectile issue i just mentioned
(i think)
if youre talking about projectiles being stupid slow
elfin garnet
have any of the slow projectiles been fixed on all worlds yet
shrewd willow
if youre talking about projectiles being stupid slow
no I'm talking about my abilities casting TEN SECONDS after I use them
shrewd willow
crouch cast specifically
vocal palm
which class
vocal palm
did it do around yourself or where you hit shift
shrewd willow
it casted after I respawned
vocal palm
very odd
shrewd willow
all the games are just irlok theo and hailey
also if you don't have that team you lose 0-3
elfin garnet
Dr legendary is so silly tho my beloved
shrewd willow
there's no counterplayt
there's no fucking counterplayt
everytime theo places bubble
elfin garnet
I go inside bubble!
elfin garnet
just walk into it again fr
elfin garnet
I get like 3 kb kills in a 15 min game fr
shrewd willow
Or just poke them down
"poke them down"
ah yeah, how, trough the bubble?
elfin garnet
it's so inconsistent and u can just position yourself better
also bubble has like 15 sec cd and dies after like 5 seconds fr
calm dune
what even is seasonal rating for
shrewd willow
if I have to guess for better team match
lower sr meaning assinging with better players?
loud remnant
doesnt affect team match outside of 6 player parties afaik
elfin garnet
^^
loud remnant
so its 99% just cosmetic
elfin garnet
only used for one teammakikg option
vocal palm
doesnt do anything really
still idol
irlok cycling melee -> right click is definitely not as strong as it was but it's still insanely overpowered, the damage output comboed with the knockback makes irlok easily the best character in the game rn
also the fact that the knockback is extremely potent allows irlok to semi-easily set up knockback instakills, which have ludicrously high value
vocal palm
mm
i could look at reducing the kb
it does seem like maybe too much
some hailey changes for next push:
- LMB has a larger model and has a more visible name tag above its head
- LMB meal is only visible to your team
- LMB meal duration increased from 3s to 5s
- LMB overheal to self (not teammates) reduces from 35 to 15
elfin garnet
FIFTEEN 🤯
loud ravine
15..
still idol
wow thats a hefty nerf
loud ravine
I mean your teamates might be able to use it now ig
elfin garnet
ot doesn't even matter tour teammates can use it fifteen is nothing
like 25 wpulda been fine I think
still idol
yeah that seems harsh
elfin garnet
yeah Luke 25 or 20 yourself and 35 on tramates is prob fine
vocal palm
ot doesn't even matter tour teammates can use it fifteen is nothing
"self overheal"
it still does 35 for teammates
loud ravine
ahh nice
still idol
did we all collectively misread that or was the self part not included
vocal palm
did we all collectively misread that or was the self part not included
no it was there
you just missed it
still idol
smartest wynncraft players
spring steppe
exploding head
tawdry zinc
elfin garnet
elfin garnet
The sever needs a pfp
jolly jackie tm
sturdy quartz
whats up with irlok
irlok being a borderline insta kill on the second point for both sides also isn't that fun.
elfin garnet
the scream is avoidable on that pt but the kb from one of his other normal skills and his jamp attack havniog a big radius might eb too op
loud ravine
irlok being a borderline insta kill on the second point for both sides also isn'...
You charge the point the same rate wherever you are in the point, you dont need to stand in the middle at all. Its just people do it cause.. uh idk
Anyway yeah its really good against teams who do that, but the counterplay is pretty easy
tawdry zinc
jolly jackie tm
DEND TO linny
forest jungle
some hailey changes for next push:
- LMB has a larger model and has a more visib...
I didn't even know Hailey lmb healed herself
forest jungle
We need Hailey to be even closer to medic tf2 fr
elfin garnet
if u used your lmb on yourself ansd then use ult then the overheal becomes normal health so u could full heal
forest jungle
Wait I thought ult just full healed all teammates in range
broken bone
some hailey changes for next push:
- LMB has a larger model and has a more visib...
yes please ah this is great
elfin garnet
i still think haily projeticles r a little slow but i will hafta see
broken bone
I didn't even know Hailey lmb healed herself
that's the thing that made the class unkillable if you didn't have good team
elfin garnet
yeah
forest jungle
I've always agreed that Hailey broken but I thought it was only in a good team sense
That's uhm certainly strong
elfin garnet
jit never dies yeah lol
shrewd willow
any irlok/theo nerfs?
elfin garnet
nop!
forest jungle
I need to move Hailey from s++ to s+++ on the tier list fr
I think theorick is super annoying but not actually that good
broken bone
jit never dies yeah lol
it was pretty much like the connaivers kunai from tf2
forest jungle
It entirely boils down to bubble being busted op
forest jungle
it was pretty much like the connaivers kunai from tf2
We need an actual spy tf2 class fr
elfin garnet
therck has funny kb as well so its p good on 2nd pt and other spots if u good at positioning
forest jungle
Therck?
elfin garnet
it hink so
forest jungle
Lvl 1 stair quest guy in this minigame would be so funny
forest jungle
This is the one thing that can get me to stop playing airblast irlok
glossy yoke
because stairs
sturdy quartz
You charge the point the same rate wherever you are in the point, you dont need ...
issue is if you're forced in to the open
also every passage has a 1 way ticket to the void. Unless you SOMEHOW force irlok on the wrong side, at least 1 of you is going to end up either taking extreme damage or flying off.
loud ravine
also every passage has a 1 way ticket to the void. Unless you SOMEHOW force irlo...
Okay? well one of you dying isn't exactly the most consequential thing
tom can one shot a person
If its a 1v1 situation then if you have the movement you can make them whiff it
or if close enough just move yourself in between irlok and the wall or behind them
sturdy quartz
eh it's one of the dumber ultimates solely due to how much of a clearer it is mid combat
Literally so many times i've noticed where even when we try to get out of the way/somewhere safe it's hell to do
eager grotto
what would people's opinions be on gawricks shift ability changing
I'm thinking it rewinds your position and health to where you were 2 seconds ago or something
sturdy quartz
I mean could work but at the same time i like the teleporter idea, it just doesn't work that well rn
still idol
I'm thinking it rewinds your position and health to where you were 2 seconds ago...
this really is overwatch
sounds cool tho
eager grotto
I mean could work but at the same time i like the teleporter idea, it just doesn...
yeah. what do you feel is wrong with it?
loud ravine
portal
loud ravine
you create aportal
sturdy quartz
yeah. what do you feel is wrong with it?
for me it's just. It's not very supporty?
tawdry zinc
Oh yesh def
loud ravine
your teamates can use
tawdry zinc
Portal sucks
loud ravine
I like the portal more
sturdy quartz
like most gawrick's are literally just using the teleporter for themselves
still idol
the portal is way too finicky imo
loud ravine
if its changed to work better
still idol
feels awful to use
sturdy quartz
thing is, it works to get back on the front line for gawrick
tawdry zinc
If were comparing to like tf2 engie
sturdy quartz
but no one else is going to use it
tawdry zinc
Yeah
loud ravine
Like, buff duration, fix up the teleportation, and maybe add a additional effect like healing on teleport or smth
sturdy quartz
outside of they literally spawned at the same time as you.
Also mid combat it... exists?
tawdry zinc
not really
sturdy quartz
I've seen some gawrick's use it to annoy us but it never really did much
tawdry zinc
Its just get to another area faster but you also can spriny there with high ws
So imo its not the best even for gawrick use
sturdy quartz
yeah most times i've seen them use it just to get out of the fight
loud ravine
I feel like it has potential
tawdry zinc
Wlel yeah it does but
faint wharf
garwick portal is so troll i love it
tawdry zinc
With wynn jank im not sure in a timely manner its feasible
sturdy quartz
also the rewind ability to me would just be better on a assault class.
tawdry zinc
Rewind is simplier
sturdy quartz
Gawrick rn isn't very supporty
sturdy quartz
he's a support but he's not good at it.
sturdy quartz
the thing is his heal is the same as hailie's if she hits all 4.
tawdry zinc
The concept is cool tho
eager grotto
yeah
tawdry zinc
Funny warp man
sturdy quartz
which when you add a cooldown to it. Is really bad
faint wharf
8 second cooldown
tawdry zinc
Well part of it is also haily being op
faint wharf
on heal
eager grotto
supposed to be about moving your teammates
tawdry zinc
Passive also gives ws buff right?
eager grotto
mhm
faint wharf
which means you block their vision when you step infront of em
sturdy quartz
Well part of it is also haily being op
here's the thing. If you remove the overhealth on self (which thank god that's got nerfed) hailey's not that powerful
eager grotto
it's getting nerfed further
sturdy quartz
obviously if you keep her alive yeah you're suffering, but actually fighting her is at least doable
faint wharf
im too busy using garwick protal to tp my teammates into the void
eager grotto
overheal to self specifically is going from 35 to 15
tawdry zinc
here's the thing. If you remove the overhealth on self (which thank god that's g...
Yeah
Your right
And that us grtging nerved
Nerfed
Thsnk god
sturdy quartz
yeah. But the actual healing? hailey's balanced as hell
shrewd willow
what's like hailie's cooldown on ult roughly during a fight?
tawdry zinc
haven’t tested with new ult charge rate
sturdy quartz
if you manage to keep staying alive constantly, it'd be around a minute? Probably less.
sturdy quartz
hailie's ultimate is a "screw over the entire enemy team for 5 second" ability
and it's great
tawdry zinc
The funny” You just dmg ulted? Nah”
sturdy quartz
The funny” You just dmg ulted? Nah”
the amount of times i'd just deny irlok
shrewd willow
the amount of times i'd just deny irlok
YEP
sturdy quartz
theo it lasts longer
tawdry zinc
His ult can be mean
shrewd willow
i wanted to say that
sturdy quartz
annoyingly
tawdry zinc
I think invulv clears slowness
shrewd willow
irlok is just 55 damage to your face
sturdy quartz
it does give people time to at least get away
shrewd willow
and if you survive you likely die from falling off map
eager grotto
hailie's ultimate is a "screw over the entire enemy team for 5 second" ability
2 seconds
sturdy quartz
is it 2 seconds?
eager grotto
I *think* invulv clears slowness
it doesn't
shrewd willow
heal though
sturdy quartz
felt longer. Although that might be the entire team clearing out
sturdy quartz
oh yeah also giving hailey ACTUAL health back
tawdry zinc
I will yell at my haily player friend
sturdy quartz
either way still painful for the team
eager grotto
I think Hailey's ultimate is probably in a fine spot
sturdy quartz
gawrick's ultimate i'll be honest though... Sucks
shrewd willow
it charges super fast unlike gawrick's ult
faint wharf
ok fuck balance i hate this
eager grotto
lmao
sturdy quartz
gawrick's ult kinda... sucks?
shrewd willow
gawrick's ultimate i'll be honest though... Sucks
did nerf that screw it up?
besides it takes AGES to charge it
tawdry zinc
ok fuck balance i hate this
Do we farm game 
sturdy quartz
idek if it got nerfed. But unless you surprise the enemy team with it, they can avoid it
shrewd willow
it did
tawdry zinc
My ass not maining gawrick
loud ravine
you need a good team to take advantage of it too
still idol
ok fuck balance i hate this
isnt that 10,000 blocks 💀
sturdy quartz
like its REALLY easy to avoid
loud ravine
since it doesnt deal much damage
tawdry zinc
Yes it is
faint wharf
Do we farm game <:saltroll:910141539475398696>
been doing that for an hour, still dont have it
loud ravine
I feel like it needs to keep them in there longer
tawdry zinc
WHAT
loud ravine
too
sturdy quartz
since it doesnt deal much damage
it actually does xD
eager grotto
like its REALLY easy to avoid
that's what I said and people kept telling me to nerf it
sturdy quartz
the issue is getting people to even be grabbed
tawdry zinc
Doesnt portals count
loud ravine
run away
faint wharf
it does
tawdry zinc
Since both are called plane hope
faint wharf
it just takes SO LONG
shrewd willow
ok fuck balance i hate this
boy they do like to do needless grind
sturdy quartz
Idk my enemies always survive it
it's pretty much from what i've noticed, a heavy damage
shrewd willow
wynn is just hsb 2.0
faint wharf
ben and i have been farming it because how do you get that naturally
tawdry zinc
Lmk when you are farming so i can too :)
faint wharf
Lmk when you are farming so i can too :)
rn
tawdry zinc
I AM
sturdy quartz
not actually killing them, but you turn them in to pinatas as well
shrewd willow
anyways
still idol
wynn is just hsb 2.0
🤢
sturdy quartz
but uh.. yeah the only times it's grabbed me are when both teams have gawrick, or as a surprise attack
eager grotto
the portal doesn't count lol
faint wharf
the portal doesn't count lol
it says planehop though
shrewd willow
can we make gawrick's teleporters do something more or making them last much longer
sturdy quartz
otherwise i see it and immediately run
also... nicest possible way. Hellfire sucks.
shrewd willow
like infinite duration but destroyable by enemy team
eager grotto
which one is hellfire again
faint wharf
the portal doesn't count lol
THE ABILITY HAS AN 8 SECOND COOLDOWN AND IS MAX 12 BLOCKS
that is 834 left clicks
tawdry zinc
the mather
sturdy quartz
which one is hellfire again
rickeo ult
eager grotto
oh yeah it's trash
sturdy quartz
it's a great damage dealer, but god unless i use it right in their face it's not doing anything
faint wharf
THE ABILITY HAS AN 8 SECOND COOLDOWN AND IS MAX 12 BLOCKS
that is **834 left cl...
WITH THE COOLDOWN that is ALMOST 2 HOURS of left clicking.
tawdry zinc
THE ABILITY HAS AN 8 SECOND COOLDOWN AND IS MAX 12 BLOCKS
that is **834 left cl...
Are games a max of 20 min right
faint wharf
its not happening naturally
shrewd willow
it's a great damage dealer, but god unless i use it right in their face it's not...
YEP
eager grotto
THE ABILITY HAS AN 8 SECOND COOLDOWN AND IS MAX 12 BLOCKS
that is **834 left cl...
originally when I made that achievement it was the distance to the moon and back
lol
tawdry zinc
Thats even sillier
faint wharf
why doesnt the portal count when its called the same thing
tawdry zinc
TOO silly even
eager grotto
because it was a cool number
shrewd willow
originally when I made that achievement it was the distance to the moon and back
do it yourself
sturdy quartz
originally when I made that achievement it was the distance to the moon and back
768,800 kilometers
eager grotto
and then I did the maths and I was like
sturdy quartz
oh yeah defintely a good idea
eager grotto
yeah maybe not
faint wharf
because it was a cool number
1000 is also cool :(
prime vapor
why doesnt the portal count when its called the same thing
well
I don't think it is
just displayed as the same name
think the actual name for the shift teleport was Transdimensional Warp or something
faint wharf
well
I don't think it is
just displayed as the same name
its probably not but it is displayed as such
when you hover over the wand
eager grotto
yeah his shift is mislabeled
shrewd willow
nerf irlok and buff gawrick 🙏
loud remnant
buff warp real
faint wharf
2 HOURS OF LEFT CLICKING ON GARWICK
eager grotto
can you tell i was running out of achievement ideas
prime vapor
can't believe Post-Euclidian was nerfed too
elfin garnet
can you tell i was running out of achievement ideas
🤯
shoulda just made an achivement to go offmap smh!1
faint wharf
can you tell i was running out of achievement ideas
This is the only achievement that CANNOT happen naturally
2 hours of optimal garwick left clicking :))))
faint wharf
PLEASEEE
prime vapor
.....ho w
faint wharf
...
hot flareBOT
faint wharf
ill nerf it
very great htank you
still idol
7 lightyears please
tawdry zinc
Bet
still idol
tawdry zinc
They are just
loud ravine
I think it would be cooler if it was like
prime vapor
I just don't think I like the idea of the achievement
the premise is just that You Played Gawrick A Lot
faint wharf
10km -> 2km
ok with a cooldown of 8 seconds on the tp and a max of 12, 2k would only take 166 clicks, about 22 minutes of left clicking
COMPARED TO THE CURRENT
eager grotto
i didnt have any other ideas for his achievement ok
prime vapor
land a full charge gleamsphere from 20 blocks away
faint wharf
I just don't think I like the idea of the achievement
the premise is just that Y...
garwick is also the least satisfying to me, its the only achievement i see not happening naturally rn
but if its getting nerfed thats... only maybe 30 minutes of garwick gameplay
eager grotto
it's going to 1km lol
faint wharf
compared to the current state :S
faint wharf
it's going to 1km lol
will it keep track of our current distance though? or will updating the achievement potentially reset our progress on it
eager grotto
itll keep current progress
eager grotto
if you already went >1km it'll award on your next usage of plane hop
tawdry zinc
Gambli mg
faint wharf
is
tawdry zinc
I think you do :)
sturdy quartz
also god i hate the distance of the charge
sturdy quartz
irlok's charge just goes WAY too far
faint wharf
if you already went >1km it'll award on your next usage of plane hop
thank you, i assume this change will happen next patch?
eager grotto
yeah
vocal palm
also god i hate the distance of the charge
projectile bug
eager grotto
i thought you fixed that one
sturdy quartz
yeah it's just annoying to literally blast off
vocal palm
i thought you fixed that one
no sock i need to fix it individually for every single case of it
tawdry zinc
There should of been one for triple kill kill reliable ;)
(Totally not because i got one last night)
eager grotto
e
vocal palm
i fixed 4 of them
eager grotto
we really should've refactored that out into its own logic
vocal palm
shrug
eager grotto
back when theo shield got added we had to manually put it on every attack
heres that gawrick shift idea i was talking about
loud ravine
I mean it fits his current identity as a annoying dodging gremlin but idk if it fits his support role
dim raptor
Would be really funny if it stunned people actually
I like gawrick portal enough as a concept but not enough to use it
the better gawricks ive seen also never engage with it in combat either
better to keep sphere and ws/regen uptime than to lose all of it with a portal
sturdy quartz
I love the fact hailey's shift attack counters theo's shield
loud ravine
We love hailey casually having a irlok ult on a normal ability
sturdy quartz
tbf it's much more counterable tho
loud ravine
Irlok has like a 4 second windup
sturdy quartz
yeah but hailey does not deal as much kb
you can basically only use it against someone if they're near an edge already
loud ravine
same with irlok tbh(or I just suck)
dim raptor
Also will gawrick being able to teleport and softlock into blocks be fixed
shrewd willow
nah, irlok has giant hitbox
dim raptor
Does irlok ultimate go through walls
shrewd willow
nah, irlok has giant hitbox
But it should have better telegraph
spring steppe
gawricks teleport is good utility but with how the game is played no teammates will actually use it in pfinder
dusty temple
heres that gawrick shift idea i was talking about
That’s something I thought of
sturdy quartz
Does irlok ultimate go through walls
i think it's just "if you're in range you're hit"
you basically have to treat it like orphion. Do not be in that direction.
Which is why it sucks. Because it's a LOT of damage and you cannot avoid it unless you're already out of the way
dusty temple
overwatch tracer i mean the backtrace idea is widely used in pvp games
vocal palm
Which is why it sucks. Because it's a LOT of damage and you cannot avoid it unle...
mightve overbuffed the damage tbh
loud ravine
you basically have to treat it like orphion. Do not be in that direction.
It is absolutely a cylinder
broken bone
heres that gawrick shift idea i was talking about
if this would be real i would be beyond impressed
sturdy quartz
mightve overbuffed the damage tbh
what's the damage like? 60?
vocal palm
55 i think
loud ravine
I have whiffed so many ults thinking it works like orphion
broken bone
riftwalker be like
loud ravine
And have it just go straight through the middle of them
sturdy quartz
I have whiffed so many ults thinking it works like orphion
oh no i've found if you're looking at them, they're gone
their only option is try to get behind you. Or just split up and you decide
loud ravine
If the team isn't stupid and is spread out the ult is kinda bad imo
sturdy quartz
issue is it shouldn't be an unavoidable "someone's dead" ultimate
loud ravine
It's good in the right setups
loud ravine
issue is it shouldn't be an unavoidable "someone's dead" ultimate
It is absolutely avoidable though
The damage should be toned down imo
But I don't think the knockback or range is op
sturdy quartz
if you have someone even half way decent, someone's either flying off the cliff or taking so much damage they might as well be dead
eager grotto
if this would be real i would be beyond impressed
it is real lol wdym I just scripted it
dusty temple
like i said irlok ult is just toms but better
Also since tom does not charge ult on attacks right now
loud ravine
if you have someone even half way decent, someone's either flying off the cliff ...
Okay, and Tom just straight up one shots someone. I don't think having a ult kill someone is bad
sturdy quartz
Isn't tom's avoidable due to it being more precise
loud ravine
It's almost a guarunteed one shot tho
dim raptor
tom also has awful ult gain
dim raptor
I thought that was the nerf
loud ravine
No it's unintended
dim raptor
doom
loud ravine
Anyway irlok ults knockback component at least is very preventable
broken bone
it is real lol wdym I just scripted it
it's real???
loud ravine
It's mainly only effective in the second sites
broken bone
that looks so insane wtf
sturdy quartz
It's almost a guarunteed one shot tho
it's actually only 60 damage
5 higher than irlok's
broken bone
genuine back in time
loud ravine
And even then the players can just go into the sides
loud ravine
it's actually only 60 damage
Damn
Anyway i agree with nerfing irlok damage
On ult
Everything else is fine though
loud ravine
What's Tom's range
sturdy quartz
it has none
eager grotto
it's real???
why would it not be
sturdy quartz
i'd also like to say, irlok's really should not have piercing.
loud ravine
It does?
eager grotto
easier to script a prototype than edit the video
sturdy quartz
the amount of time's someone's charged that right underneath the stairs so we can't see them is annoying
loud ravine
Everything I've tried to use it below the stairs it's whiffed
More like I fall below the stairs because I'm trying to back off to hit everyone
sturdy quartz
either they've aimed it perfectly or it's going through blocks
broken bone
easier to script a prototype than edit the video
i hope i can program that good one day
i mean
it would've been easier to just do like a super fast video rewind
sturdy quartz
More like I fall below the stairs because I'm trying to back off to hit everyone
i mean the main stairs not the side ones
broken bone
and i would've believed it
broken bone
why would it not be
im praying it gets implemented in some quest about time because that looks beyond insane
sturdy quartz
hellfire also from using it. Is good. With damage. that's it.
broken bone
super skilled at scripting
sturdy quartz
like if i use it someone's face they're getting heavy damage
loud ravine
i mean the main stairs not the side ones
Yeah the main ones
eager grotto
i hope i can program that good one day
it literally took like 2 minutes max it's not too hard to script
broken bone
it literally took like 2 minutes max it's not too hard to script
yeah exactly
loud ravine
Irlok my goat
broken bone
1984ed by the irlok confedracy...
ministry of irlok
still idol
@eager grotto is it an itentional/impossible to change that ult charge resets if you go to the change character select screen and pick the same character?
faint wharf
has anyone gotten this
tawdry zinc
no
faint wharf
Is it bugged
faint wharf
you heal for the amount of burn you do
tawdry zinc
i was thinking about it actually while at work
faint wharf
but
tawdry zinc
well whats the
vocal palm
that is tough
faint wharf
i just tried a test game
tawdry zinc
dmg to brun ratio
elfin garnet
evenw ehnt aking some dmg it still didnt work
faint wharf
Stat doesnt show either so theres no gauge
tawdry zinc
silly
tawdry zinc
me
loud ravine
<@423756658041290754> is it an itentional/impossible to change that ult charge r...
That's so annoying. I accidentally click on class change and I'm forced to reset my ult charge
still idol
^
faint wharf
also this
dusty temple
BRO WTF
they got a network issue so its 2v1 and the last 1 of their team left but we get -rating???
dusty temple
fr 😭
elfin garnet
no benefit to having it and just confused people
glossy yoke
i lost 20 rating because the game bugged and i had to use /hub to leave
luckily, i didn't lose rating for a round in which one of my teammates just. left
i don't even know how to check my rating but
it ain't good
the problem is you can't learn classes without playing them first and when you play them first you're bad
and your team loses
i feel like this's happened with other teambased ones
dusty temple
If you are good at Irlok you can kinda ignore the problem right now just 1v3
prime vapor
me afking in the spawn room trying to read the classes on my first round
dusty temple
but yes that’s a problem after classes are balanced
Tutorial mode could have more feature like training area
Make you try each class
prime vapor
housing dummies for blizzard brawl
dusty temple
I deal 50burst dps on Irlok!!
dusty temple
ngl i would rank:
S+: Irlok
S: Rickeo Dr. Li Haliey
A: Tom
B: Theorick
C: Gawr...
Please put Tom to S+++ so people will choose him and i will have more tom to stomp
loud ravine
Tom is either the most dogshit player ever(me) or will 2 shot you from across the map before you even register they exist
tawdry zinc
was there any talk about irlocks alt having dmg buffed being a bit too much or nah?
tawdry zinc
bet
wooden cloud
It's kinda busted now
Irlok's shift is kinda busted too
Mainly combined with the insane range right click which is not intended I think?
glossy yoke
gawrick is way underpowered
my suggestions:
- longer-ranged TP
- larger TP object
- TP object is like 2x bigger
- higher sprint buffs cap
- longer range for team buffs w/ sprint
- longer teleport range
idk about the actual attack orb tho
vocal palm
attack orb is a little bit broken due to the overall lag issue
wooden cloud
Even if it was fixed to not be really slow it's not very good
I know he's a support but it's kinda horrible
The sprint healing also sometimes just doesn't work
loud ravine
Orb I kinda just run into a enemy to use it
spice cove
is lightbender getting nerfed
theorick sorry guys they are so different
it is actually so op
as a "tank" class
dim raptor
Also new degenerate strategy is to get 1 harmony, charge vertically then use shift for large aoe 40 damage
you heal when in air and charge ultimates significantly faster
If both irlocks are doing this the game devolves into a game of chicken, since the first person to charge up will always take 40 damage
spice cove
but it doesnt
the braindead strat is to use theo and just left click and everyone dies
shift occasionally
elfin garnet
irlock needs to have its aoe on the falling jamp attack reduced istg u cant run away unless you have a movement ability and its 40dmg
dim raptor
it also goes through theorick shield which is funny
loud ravine
Only if you land on top of it
dusty temple
tawdry zinc
so true
elfin garnet
ME
dusty temple
we did some tom play
i didnt enter capture point at all in the first half lol
ngl you wouldnt enter the point at all when irlok is everywhere
wtf tom is fixed?
yeah the ult charge does thing rn
also i love what new meaningful feast looks like
opal zealot
Irlok literally a joke, dude just jump into mid air and heal
Then he keeps fighting over extended amount of time
The dude was like 20 hp, he jumped into the air and slam down, recover to full hp
Very balanced
opal zealot
I wonder who put an idea of Irlok can heal 5 hp/s while mid air
And Garwick has an identity crisis
He doesn't look a support at all, much more like a zoomer
Also, Hailey need to be tuned down, it's literally acting like a dps and healer at the same time
faint wharf
oh haha i ddi that
vast valve
wtf do u lose a lot of rating when u play healer or something?
last itme my rating nver went down when i won when playing the fire class
faint wharf
wtf do u lose a lot of rating when u play healer or something?
i lost rating when the game bugged and immediately drawed so i dont know !!!
faint wharf
wtf do u lose a lot of rating when u play healer or something?
wait did u win this game or lose
vast valve
lost this one
faint wharf
i just found gawrick also have 2 skills that have same name 🤯
its mislabelled
vast valve
last time when i lost i didnt lose any rating
faint wharf
i think it depends more on who ur matched against
spring steppe
wtf do u lose a lot of rating when u play healer or something?
may have had a large rating difference
and when u didn't lose anything it was not large
wraith latch
Finally played it, and honestly it feels pretty solid except a few balancing issues. Tom feels underpowered, and the one with the spear feels absurd at times
vocal palm
SR is clientside
pseudo sun
man
vocal palm
and we're considering getting rid of it entirely
because its current state is kind of... not great?
the calculations are way off
wraith latch
@gusty snow what's your fav class so far?
spring steppe
u mean I have 1100 rating for nothing this is outrageous
pseudo sun
i need to get my sr screenshot before it goes away
gusty snow
<@257264719763734538> what's your fav class so far?
uhh probably rickeo
i wont lie. im pretty bad tho
(im grinding out the items)
spring steppe
what's the requirement for it
pseudo sun
i accidentally got the whip one yesterday
gusty snow
what's the requirement for it
spring steppe
the whip pull seems very not large idk how to do it either
gusty snow
the 2nd hold thing is a pretty good place to do it
bc there's an open space to fling people off
spring steppe
is it based on distance like a minecraft fishing rod
like the further u are the more pull
dusty temple
damn already 18 i didnt even play much
