#Lootruns.

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ionic frigate
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Hello!

I'm brilliantknight and today im gonna make my personal feedback about it.

Let's begin.

Lootruns. The Apotheosis of Endgame Content. Inflations. Dupe Incidents. Gigantic Networth.

What exactly is this?

A long time ago it was an unofficial activity that required to make a great route to loot all existing chests from T1 to T4 by typing the command in certain discord to claim to world. And by repeating it multiple times you may find a dark purple box - Mythic Item. They are building the whole economy and everything in money is based on them. They had the insane value due to their rarity, proportional to their amount that relies on fullness of the world if you won't get sniped by those who loot this world. As the activity depends on luck, there are those who has it inside of their ass, such as i. I'm known as the one who rolled a plenty of good mythics, especially the old top 1 in old era. You can check them on my channel by clicking on my discord profile.
But... the 2.0.3 came out and they made client-sided chests with certain sequence of cooldowns alongside with the Camps - new format of the activity that required you to complete the challenges by taking the beacons and opening the new chest for the way more rare thing than Mythic - Shiny ones. But there comes the problem: Old Lootruns has been exhausted due to the existence of new ones. Im surpised that no one talks about it... until this moment. And the camps had the opposite problem: **They are too broken at the beginning, their rates were too high and in mere days Mythics had lost their value. **
After that, Mythics has started to stabilize in price and... the 2.0.4 came out by hitting the Gold Spot with Missions Addition. But what's a problem without a problem! Even this had it's own issues such the overpowered mission - Equilibrium. By taking a curse, recieve one random boon which provided braindead Aqua-Purplestack to the end of challenges. This is how we can get a tons of pulls.

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And... Insulators with Simulators. They are too imbalanced, nothing to say much. Remove it without any chance for them to return.
Then... the 2.1 came out with the deserved nerfs and buffs to the mission with the addition of a new ones. AND this is where the lootruns gone too far in terms of imbalance. And the name of its imbalance is Chronokinesis. Chests now give +1 Pull, all future Time received will be reduced by an ever-increasing -5s permanently. With the existence of chests cooldown due to their new client-sided mechanic people has started to abuse it and getting a 2k+ pulls average which made the Mythic rates broken once again. And now we're getting closer to these moments where something must be done. It's never too late.

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And here comes the solution to both of mechanics:

Part 1:

1. Give Discoverer a Major ID where Loot Bonus can also apply to emeralds with the conversion to the Liquid ones. Remove XP Bonus by replacing it with +15% of Loot Quality.
It will nullify the amount of Perfect Discoverers with giving it a new life.
** 2. Allow for all of chests have a 3h cooldown with 100% of their loot quality when the cooldown ends.**
This will finally make a lootrun set useful again. Seriously, i forgot when i used it.

Part 2:

1. Buff these Missions:

  • Jester's Trick: After being offered 20 items from Flying Chests, randomly get +6 Pulls, +2 Boon, +3 Curse, or +1m.
  • Treasure Hunting: Red Beacons will reward 1 Boon out of 2. Completing it with Aquaboosted challenge will grant you half of random boons from amount of challenges that it can give.
  • Orphion's Grace: Boons are now 75% more effective.
  • Gourmand: When you get 1 Boon, get +2 Beacon Reroll.
  • Porphyrophobia: Blue Beacon will give you +1 Pull relying on amount of offered Boons from it. Getting offered a Purple Beacon gives you +3 Permanent Curses.
  • Equilibrium: For every 2 Curses, grant a random boon.
  • Backup Beat: Every time you add +180s to your timer, gain +1 Beacon Reroll.
  • Stasis: While picking a Beacon, your timer does not decrease. (Max 10m)
  • Redemption: Getting offered a Blue Beacon gives you a random boon but not relying on the Aquaboost. Gain +1 End Reward Sacrifice.

2. Buff these Beacons:

  • Purple: +2 Curses, +2 End Reward Pulls.
  • Yellow Beacon: Spawn 2 Flying Chests.
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3. Rework the Chronokinesis Mission:

  • 4 Casual and Flying Chests are now give +1 Pull. Reduce their cooldown to 30m and remove their Cave & Loot Quality. Green Beacon cannot appear anymore. Wasting of time between challenges grant double amount of it upon the completion of them.
    When i first heard its name i thought about time control. This will match its name.
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Part 3:

LOOTRUN BOSSES.

When you're starting a lootrun it shows you the amount of maximum challenges: 100. There is no point of doing it right now. And it can be changed by implementation of such mechanic.
On 25, 50, 75 and 100th Challenge face the powerful enemies on your way to empower yourself.
Each of the Camp has its own boss based on the location design. I will leave this to CT.
But how to do them if you have only 12 challenges at the beginning?
Pretty much simple:

  • Removal of the White Beacon but you will get 50 Challenges at the beginning. However, the Red Beacon will remain.
    Upon the victory, you will be offered a 5 missions to choose and gain +15 Pulls and +1 End Reward Reroll.
    By completion of the last Boss triple the amount of pulls and gain +1 End Reward Reroll too.
    Upon the failure, no rerolls will be recieved and you will get only 4 missions to choose.
    That means removal of the Grey Beacon and its first appearance at the 4th challenge. Removal of Complete Chaos is needed too, useless mission. Nothing to say much.

These changes can finally make both of the activities good and well developed.
That's all i wanted to say, see you in the Hero Major ID Feedback.

Thanks for the attention!

nova chasm
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equilibrium aqua purple stack was like fine cause on max you would get like 350 pulls per run which would still add up from from sacs easily but at least it wasn't printing shinies like chrono is lol

ionic frigate
balmy wind
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me when 0 chrono in 3 days of lr: like

latent matrix
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i think that give jester trick should have 2 positive 2 negative effect
and that ammount of pulls seems too high considering your new proposed yellow will make materlism give 4 flying chest each challenge
(assume ppl do lr with discoverer)

pulsar rock
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pls kill chrono 🙏🙏

jaunty swallow
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I do lr with disco but its just not worth it anymore

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bmonk nerf makes scaling too hard + chrono is just way faster

latent matrix
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no way my ranks is back

ionic frigate
latent matrix
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(will lost it in 3 days)

latent matrix
frank path
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i think lootruns are bad because lightbender is too strong and hero gets outdamaged by crack the skies

fair vapor
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yeah pls do something about chrono asap. its so broken and insanely boring

nova chasm
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☝️

frank path
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instead of nerfing chrono can we spread awareness that doing 4k pulls isnt even efficient xdddd

fair vapor
ionic frigate
frank path
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one person wasted their time for a funny screenshot then for some reason everybody started thinking its good

fair vapor
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this shouldnt be a thing

frank path
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in 10h you can get more mythics xd

fair vapor
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still happy with the result

frank path
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the only "op" thing about chrono is mythics per screenshot

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the actual mythics per time spent is not even insane

nova chasm
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consider effort as well

latent matrix
nova chasm
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its jsut running around opening chests

jaunty swallow
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saying chrono isnt strong a bit disingenuous u dont spend 10 hrs doing old lrs for pulls anyways

frank path
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effort? you call that effort? the only hard thing about chrono runs is to not fall asleep in the process

nova chasm
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thats what i mean.. u dont have to do anything for the rewards ur getting lol

frank path
ionic frigate
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I think i might get a refuse towards the feedback from the CT because Lootruns might become to hard to think and build the strategy.

jaunty swallow
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I don't see how your proposed lootrun would require different strategy

fair vapor
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i disagree about insulators and simulators being removed tho. I've always hated that getting good item rolls is basically luck/gambling. sure it help the tm, but id rather have it so that the items i get is based on effort and not gambling

frank path
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u got aspects for effort u got items for gambling its kinda fine by me

ionic frigate
fair vapor
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well i'd just much prefer a system which isn't gambling dependant but dependant on actual effort.

ionic frigate
jaunty swallow
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well atm it still is gambling, getting chrono is fickle

viral path
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this would 100% create an imbalance in the other direction, where long runs would be more incentivized than shortruns. you ideally want short runs and long runs to be equally as effective. i'm not entirely sure why you wouldn't do all 100 challenges to straight up double the amount of pulls AND get 3 sacs for free AND whatever your missions gave you. the strategy would just be kinda for naught since you would just run blue beacons whenever you get them

i think a misconception is that longruns are inherently more difficult than shortruns -- both can be as easy or as hard as you want to make them (whether that be through blue beacons or luck)

fair vapor
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is the mythic economy even fixable at this point. seeing what happened to hero over the last week is wack

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also really good abso were like 50% the price

ionic frigate
jaunty swallow
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that seems to be more from item balance adjustments + LR frequency

frank path
ionic frigate
viral path
frank path
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yea i dont rly like locking things behind high challenges cuz not everyone has the time to do long runs

viral path
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somewhere in between the last LR update and 2.1 there evolved shorter 30-40 challenge runs that rushed for sacrifices

frank path
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lootrunning as is already takes more time per session than any other content so taking that and making it worse isnt really optimal

viral path
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mathematically the most effective pulls you can get is just grabbing a reroll and especially a sacrifice right

frank path
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2-3k effective pulls/hr with sac chains

viral path
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i don't disagree with the exigence of your argument, that longruns are ineffective, but that's mostly a symptom of chronokinesis being overtuned / equi being undertuned and not a structural issue with the gamemode imo

frank path
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i dont think long runs should be effective in the first place

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the 100 challenge cap should be just a safety measure against people who have more time than they know what to do with

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rather than a baseline that every lr lasts 100 challenges and smth should be done around it

viral path
# frank path the 100 challenge cap should be just a safety measure against people who have mo...

right, i just think that long runs should probably compete with sstacking, technically it would be possible for it to compete probably considering you can spam aqua rainbow purples at the end to get 4 pulls per challenge but you sacrifice at least 1 mission slot on a survivability mission and a couple challenges on blues compared to a shortrun so it's probably all a wash at the end of the day

tall coral
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Delete mythics they all get turned into legendaries gives ct and mods time to think about making new ones

ionic frigate
tall coral
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I aint reading all that upvote balance changes for the good is all i see

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Can you add something to the post about making the mission gui bigger stacking off an aqua?

ionic frigate
dusk hound
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honestly yeah I don't like the state lootruns are in rn. I really hate how depended they are on getting the right missions since half of them are stupid additionally I think lootrun bosses are a really good idea adding more variety (which missions tried but my issue with them is there are far better ones then others so in that sense that variety is lost since you just end up wanting to use the same things again) that can't really harm the rates of your run is a good thing I think I do agree with void making 100 challange lootruns the baseline might not be the play but who knows. Mission buffs good a lot of them are just shit and pointless and please kill chrono. I'm like fine with simus and insus exsisting since I really find it stupid that some items just have ids that have absolutely 0 reason to exsist stuff like warp having reflection and I like to think simus and insus counterbalance that.

frank path
dusk hound
frank path
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cool but why brilliant's thread then

ionic frigate
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Forgot to tell:
You are welcome to offer!

frank path
ionic frigate
shell magnet
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partically agree

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ion like giving disco a mID

ionic frigate
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@latent matrix
You may delete your reactions.

ionic frigate
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Guys, you really enlightened me a bit.

Now check the description:

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I think now it has a much worth in these Long Runs.

frank path
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that just made it worse xddd

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the double pulls part went from being very dumb to exceedingly deranged

ionic frigate
frank path
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i already said there shouldnt be any reward for doing 100 challenges lol

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viewing 100 challenge cap as a baseline for a lootrun duration is just wrong

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it was never meant to be anything but a limit to players who have way too much time to waste

shell jewel
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theres some nice ideas in here, especially the bosses are cool, but there needs to be done more to make 100 ch runs better again. It cant be that the most time efficient way to lr is doing 5 mins of chests and then waiting 30 minutes

gaunt shuttle
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gotta agree with a lot of stuff, lootruns seems kinda boring compared to newer content and in some cases causes burnout for new players

ionic frigate
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Guys you can actually add both of reactions,
This will prove that you have a point of agreement and refusal.

Thanks for the attention!

tall coral
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lootruns suck rn only downvote if u actually do them and know what u are downvoting

ionic frigate
tall coral
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alt accounts and all their friends that tried lootrunning for 1 hour here to downvote your post

ionic frigate
tall coral
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i can get this post to the right audience to get the attention it needs probably by tomorrow.

ionic frigate
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By sending it to T307 and other peeps from MAG?

tall coral
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no by sending it to ppl who agree lootruns are in a bad state rn

ionic frigate
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Ok!

ionic frigate
tall coral
ionic frigate
tall coral
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disagreements are good but when you dont offer up any alternatives it becomes problematic

fathom crane
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Green beacon disappearing when gettingnchrono is kinda goated

full delta
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make chrono as rare as complete chaos

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thats the only way out

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so chrono will have way less impact on the average pull count

shell jewel
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that would make lr meta just rs after 3 miss if no chrono

frank path
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its a controversial post, there's good and there's bad, but you'd have to nitpick the good things among the bad ones

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disco mID? will not happen, will do nothing if it does also why is "nullify the amount of perfect discos" a good thing didnt we dislike that ct fucks up our items lmao

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3h cd just no, the lblq chest type of lootruns was meant to be flying chest, not running around the map like before 2.0.3

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as for missions
useless jester buff no one will use it anyway (make it 1 effect per flying chest then maybe)
treasure hunting would be inconsistent, counter-intuitive and just weird as fuck
orphion grace cool i guess? not that it makes it any more useful compared to inner peace but lblq buff lol
gourmand does nothing beacon rrs just arent good
porp is a failed concept buffing numbers wont cut it
equi sure ig doesnt make it useful but at least consistent
backup beat idk what changed tbh but again its not useful
stasis useless too, even conceptually its only good with chrono or smth otherwise its useless even if you make it 2h
redemption... buff? why?... its good as is lol

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literally doubling the effects of yellows and purples is surely balanced right guys its not like there will be even more mythic supply to crash the market

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overly complicated chrono rework u can just make greens not appear anymore and its really that simple

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lootrun bosses could maybe work but 1. imo lr doesnt need more content 2. objectively lr doesnt need content locked to higher challenges

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so which part of this am i supposed to upvote, again?

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the reason i dont think lr needs major changes is quite simple actually

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picture this, you have a friend from a different game, you made them play wynn and they made it to endgame now asking you how to make money
you, obviously, suggest that they go lr and when they ask you how to lr... what do you say? no seriously how the fuck is a sane person supposed to understand everything lr has rn, and what you're suggesting is actively adding on to that problem

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if anything lr needs less complications not more

ionic frigate
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This is a opinion too, not without a reason.
Yet you're welcome to offer a way simple system!

shell jewel
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lootruns are not in a good place rn, they get boring af after like 30 challenges and 100 challenge lootruns are not rewarding enough

fiery vine
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Wynncraft continuing the trend of having unreliable or nonexistent tutorials on how things work

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So you have to go to discord or youtube for some tutorial.

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But like, I guess it's because they want you to come up with your own lr plans.

full delta
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i lootrunned a lot and i only see complete chaos like 4 times

frank path
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complete chaos more like complete dogshit

shell jewel
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gotten it over 10 times

full delta
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so u know thats shitty rare right

frank path
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im surprised someone actually counts cuz i just skip it without a second thought all the time

full delta
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idk, i mean its 6 missions

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so why not

frank path
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you're not getting over 3 missions consistently lmao

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and the missions are like... not very useful..

full delta
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missions matter

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i like rerolls

frank path
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there is only so many useful missions that going above like 6 barely gets you anything other than you waste challenges on picking them up

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i would say getting 3 missions from chaos is the average and that's given that chaos already takes a slot on its own so.. nah bro nty

full delta
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fair enough

frank path
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also its entirely useless if you dont get it on the first/maybe second mission cuz at that point if you delay your actual grays you won't have the time to pick them up

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the world if greys didnt despawn after X amount of challenges

full delta
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at least its rare enough

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and it would be reasonable if chrono has that rareness of complete chaos

frank path
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unironically the huge buff that long runs need is removing the stupid ass gray despawning
I thought it was a bug for the longest time but then they "increased" the limit implying its intentional so like... ??????

full delta
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chrono itself is op with thousands of pulls if u get all the beacons right

frank path
full delta
frank path
fiery vine
full delta
frank path
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yea and its miles better than wasting 10h of your life for a pathetic 4k pulls

full delta
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that shit is even more op than chrono alone, and nerfing chrono rareness would make it way less frequent

fiery vine
frank path
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yea thank god tealy knows what hes doing

full delta
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anything that keep that 1 chest = 1 pull mechanic from chrono is still

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like, if u add something like bad effect extra to chrono, like -1boon per challenge, it still brings up to like 1k pulls, and sac stacking will still bring that shit up

shell jewel
full delta
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meanwhile casual 100 challenge run is still 250-350 pulls

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which is nowhere as close

fiery vine
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Reroll and sac stacking

full delta
shell jewel
shell jewel
full delta
shell jewel
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yea

full delta
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i mean 2 is probably enough

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that shit is op

shell jewel
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and then when its like 10k pulls after 2-3 u can get 20 rrs or so

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get 20 mythics easy 120 stx in about 15 hours

full delta
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probably something like, add the removal of green beacon to chrono

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that would nerf chrono to like 500 pulls maybe

shell jewel
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just fix that you dont lose time on reds

full delta
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u can still get 1k pulls if u get perfect conditions

shell jewel
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yea but not 5k

full delta
shell jewel
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i use it

full delta
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i dont even know about it

full delta
shell jewel
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else ud loose like 5 mins after 20 ch

full delta
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should be good enough i guess

shell jewel
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but i want 100 ch to be meta and rewarding, not bad and boring

full delta
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100 challenge needs something to be comparable to chrono

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chrono is definition of shortrun, and its killing 100 challenge runs

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like u can spend 2 hour on a chrono run and u probably would gain like 400 pulls or something

frank path
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please please please stop thinking 100 challenges is a fucking baseline for lootrun duration, it's just a cap against the aforementioned players with too much time

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nowhere in the world is it implied that going for that cap should be rewarding

fiery vine
plain veldt
fair vapor
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tbh b4 we change something about the missions id like a fail safe for the chest in case you crash. its the single reason i don't lootrun alot anymore. ive crashed multiple times on the chest even on 100 challenge runs due to my net being unstable

fiery vine
shell jewel
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but in no world is it fun to open chests for 5 mins and then wait for 30

shell jewel
light jacinth
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All of these changes but nothing about blue beacons increasing in rarity after 10 challenges or so......
surely it's not just me, right??

fiery vine
frank path
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but no one will address it cuz ✨ transparency ✨

plain veldt
frank path
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wynncraft changelogs and their inexplicable fetish for the word "adjusted"

wary seal
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couldn’t you just have chrono work on only flying chests and call it a day, itd be the same effectiveness as equi runs with aqua stacking purps replaced with yellows

fiery vine
shell jewel
wary seal
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i mean green beacons exist

shell jewel
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u cant outscale it from a certain point

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chrono was trying to keep og lr’s in an alright place but it didnt work

wary seal
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i think thats fine though, since it would be easier to do a chrono run than an equi run, it being less rewarding is fine

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plus you could combine the two together anyway

gaunt shuttle
whole crescent
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Kill chrono asap, mythics arent supposed to be obtained so easily. This broken ass mission is inflating everything.

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Not doing anything about chrono is crazy

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Just saw someone start not even a month ago, and has more than a page of mythics bcuz of chrono. Like what?

echo dirge
ionic frigate
fiery vine
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I'm so tempted to ping Melon

fathom crane
tall coral
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I havent lootrun in 2-3 months so if something i say is fixed now let me know 🙂

  1. rainbow beacons appearing when you need an orange or blue instead. Add rainbow chance / x rainbow left in pool to fix this issue 🙂
  2. blue beacons not appearing for 20-30 beacons in the middle of your run due to bad rng or you taking safety seeker and getting screwed over.
  3. flying chest mission + chrono + boon chests mission + any other solid mission being just as OP as the pre nerf equalibrium run that everybody had so much hate for yet this one is ok???
  4. lootruns being overly rng dependent. (stack correctly w/ correct missions) or you dont get a braindead run.
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i think tealy gonna fix it all

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  • what the original poster said and everything is fixed
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i want my missions to feel so braindead when i take them that im not slamming my keyboard if i do 5 lootruns in a row without getting chronokenesis.

frank path
graceful orchid
whole crescent
frank path
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thats still like bit over 10 mythics/week which is free

fiery vine
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Bro probably has 1200 hours of playtime.

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Hasnt showered since.

whole crescent
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LOL

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new changes for lootruns but no chrono change?

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Iguess they want more mythics in the game

fiery vine
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Like that means anything at this point.

valid glacier
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a page of shiny mythics when

tall coral
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What did they do to lootrunning

echo dirge
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i like some of these ideas but others not so much. @ionic frigate some of your ideas are pretty extreme and dont seem to have much reason for them. do you think you could expand on the reasoning behind all your suggestions

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like, why do these missions and beacons need to get buffed, why do you want them buffed in these ways, why should we remove insus and simus??? and so much other shit in this post

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not even mentioning how if we were to implement all this stuff like you suggest, it would absolutely nuke short runs from ever being viable again

ionic frigate
tall coral
ionic frigate
# echo dirge like, *why* do these missions and beacons need to get buffed, *why* do you want ...

Here comes the expalantion:

- Deletion of Insus and Simus:
Too easy to roll a Mythic, especially a Godly one. No, seriously, i have rolled a Perfect Discoverer with that and 2 Godly Catas. Just WTF.
Anyone can do it with ease now. Mythic can bear that title no longer because of this.

- Granting a Major ID for Discoverer:
Lootrun Mythic with 200LB at maximum and its not even useful right now? Not even with Materialism and High LQ????
That is unfair. We need more LE Gain to the Economy to prevent it from Dupe Incidents. But idk will they really happen but still.

Explaining the point of annuling multiple Perfect Discoverers:
Yeah, its easy to roll. But it's not normal when there will be about ~10 of them. It's title of "Perfect Mythic" and value fading as time passes.

- Empowering the certain missions:
I can't understand why some cards must be filler or overpowered. I truly want the missions work every dime worth. Even the Beacon Reroll ones.

- The Purple & Yellow Beacon's Buff:
I didn't included the possibility of Equilibrium's Buff so i'll cancel this out. While the Yellow one will make "my Chronokinesis, Hoarder, Cleansing Greed, Jester's Trick and other Flying Chests related missions" good in pull-gaining terms.

- Chronokinesis Rework:
I've explained it at the 1st Paragraph of my Feedback. NO 3k+ PULLS ALLOWED. This is far worse than Old Equilibrium.

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- LOOTRUN BOSSES:
I agree that this mechanic ties the journey to Longrun Meta. And i've noticed how many of you complained about this.

And i figured out the solution for it:

Your Lootrun starts at 30 Challenges with only 1 boss at the 25th one.
However, by beating him you multiply your pulls by 1.5x for the rest of lootrun and launch the 2nd Phase where you can fight 3 other bosses as you progress.
White Beacon will lead to boss only instead of giving challanges now but the Red one remains.
By adding more challenges prolong your lootrun proportionaly for the 3 bosses remained.
Upon the victory, you will be offered a 5 missions to choose and gain only 1 End Reward Reroll but no Pulls.
Upon the failure, no rerolls will be recieved. Lootrun will be continued but only 4 missions will be offered to choose.

ionic frigate
viral path
ionic frigate
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Maybe you could help?

viral path
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Short runs have no need to take “sustain” missions anyway. They serve different purposes. Long runs aren’t inherently more interesting than short runs because the core gameplay loop remains the same and old equilibrium exacerbated the problem by letting you take purple beacons with absolutely no downside

viral path
# ionic frigate Yeah i know but i still do not know how to make them viable in "my system".

I think the main problem is just that loot running isn’t fast paced enough for long runs to be the intended form of play in my opinion. It’s pretty slow and repetitive with the challenge types and Wynn’s limited spell system holds it back from being super engaging. I think loot run bosses would be interesting but you’d need to make them spawn faster for them to be of any use for the short runs. If each one grants a reroll, you could have a max of 3 bosses that appear maybe every 15 missions? But 3 extra rerolls is worth more than the missing mission which I don’t really want since the baseline for normal, non chronokinesis runs is fine imo

graceful orchid
# ionic frigate # Here comes the expalantion: **- Deletion of Insus and Simus:** Too easy to ro...

instead of a major id to disco, remove lb and lq from boons and make it so that lootbonus and maybe loot quality can impact the rewards chest so that people are given a purpose for discoverer. I also stand for normal discoverer to be completely removed from the reward pool as it was designed to only be found from tier 3 and tier 4 chests in exclusive areas and now that its been available in rewards chest it has the scarcity complex completely made redundant which has caused significant devaluation of this 2 stat item.

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And with simu and insu its already progressed too far and I think the game should try to implement simus and insus as the central pivot of the economy, adding in simus and insus for respective tiers; unique, rare, set, legendary and fabled.

This implementation could be coupled with the release of new types of augments, one that I have previously written about as an example I named Corkian Isolator in my thread. With the convergence of the quality of mythics to an overall high and the valuation of average mythic at an all time low I do not think a transition like this is unreasonable.

The economy by itself is dry as hell and over-competetive nature when it comes to selling average quality mythics makes the sellers market stale which freezes the liquid wealth.

this causes the majority of the rich players of wynncraft like myself to wait for someone to slave away to produce something of high quality in the oversaturated markets.

Why do majority of mythics sell in unidentified form as opposed to rolled?

Will shifting the economy from item focus to augment focus cause more movements of cash?

In the event of a major dupe will an augment market or an item market recover faster?

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I know that this is a thread for lootrunning but with the current state lootruns are in and the fact that it goes hand in hand with economy, I think the point above should be relevant

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Wynn could benefit from an economy team which functions in relation to economy and lootruns, coupled with a PR team whos goal is to engage in the community to collect ideas for the varying roles in the content team.

ionic frigate
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@echo dirge, what do you think?

viral path
graceful orchid
viral path
ionic frigate
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But what about his Shiny's counterpart?...

frank path
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dumbass shiny chests disco aint appearing anyway we prolly wont ever see it even if the shiny system remains

ionic frigate
graceful orchid
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shiny lives up to the rarity of og chest found disco

graceful orchid
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I think the addition of disco to lrc pool was a highly unthought about in regards to its consequences

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since when is a 200 19 disco worth like what? 15-30 stx

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i remember those going for 90+ stx

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perfect disco when the first one sold was 180 stx

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now its what? 60 stx?

ionic frigate
graceful orchid
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ofc a 2 stat item intended to be findable in 30 chests across the server will crash in price when 500 of them are found in a week

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its worse than a dupe impacting disco the lrc as a whole

ionic frigate
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I still remember my confrontation with Maracas when he told me that its intentional to make Mythics more common...

graceful orchid
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they need to hire competency im sorry

ionic frigate
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Do not apologize, you absolutely right.

graceful orchid
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thats just my opinion when it comes to management of economic consequences in updates

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wynn needs an economy team

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idk why they have not done it before

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at some point this is gonna become: "who is first to own a page of perfect discoverers"

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when owning just 1 used to be a sign of just unimaginable wealth

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lmfao

graceful orchid
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its like super inflation in certain countries irl from the last 150 years where some have to introduce new currencies just to counter the inflation

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economy cant just be focused on supply when there is little demand

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one way is to introduce more streams of le creation

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or another could be to introduce incentives for rich players to spend their cash on the trademarket

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lrc system has made it possible for players to get top tier mythics without interacting with the trade market at all

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its self sustainable if you want it to be

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Atp wynncraft economy is ruined
Wynncraft need to find a way to both reduce the number of mythics in circulation, and also reduce the number of raw le in circulation. But this is not gonna happens because, but i think the wynncraft team wants mythics to be common, idea that honestly i'm against. I have some ideas to, at least rebalance the economy, but i find useless and a waste of time explaining it when the wynncraft team is going to the opposite direction

graceful orchid
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its a compromise

viral path
# tulip star Atp wynncraft economy is ruined Wynncraft need to find a way to both reduce the ...

mythics have changed and the baseline for builds is usually centered around them. legendary or fabled builds exist but wynn has been quick to nerf them when they're at mythic levels of damage (see panic zealot and a16's nerf). i think it's fine to have mythics be common but i do think the design of multiple mythics should be tweaked to make the m more distinct than just "legendary but with mythic stats" like thrundacrack or fatal

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Being able to afford a mythic with the money you get from quests alone, from 1 to 104, should not be a thing

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But i mean, this is the direction the wynncraft team wants to go, i dont agree with them, but what i can do against it?

frank path
viral path
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if only other fableds matched their raw energy

fair vapor
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warden nerf also did nothing

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tall coral
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trade market does an ok job of this

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with taxing