Make the house of twain less annoying

[tame charm]

House of twain is a VERY annoying quest. It took me 2 hours without a guide to finish it. It takes so much trial and error. Meanwhile, you CANNOT get a break from the constant mob barrage. And then, you spawn super far away if you ever die, and you have to make your way ALL the way back.

[sharp holly]

do ??? by trial and error

[kind spear]

House of Twain is a puzzle quest so the experience will vary based on the intelligence of the player

[tame charm]

ok, but even with a guide it is very very annoying and frustrating

"do a whole bunch of stuff, go everywhere, and then you have to wear a hat and leave the house to go into a graveyard and fall into a hole. You get 30 seconds to do this."

"also, if you throw an item on the ground at the foot of a bed, it disappears! cool, huh! What, you want this to be related to the quest? NO haha!"

[sharp ledge]

you dont need a guide and you dont need trial and error either

[fallen bronze]

yea i hated this part

[gentle phoenix]

Tbf the quest is VERY vague

[quick heron]

Mobs??? There's.. mobs in that area?

[maiden trellis]

I blame hoppers

[fluid oyster]

You don't, the person just said they completed the quest without it.

It just takes a copious amount of time to do so and the outdated systems aren't very user friendly either (the mob you need in the garden consistently doesn't spawn, items glitch out when u drop them into the hopper, and for some reason someone else can just pick up ur ghostly cap, which yes has actually happened to me before)

Even though it's a puzzle quest I still think some qol should definitely be added

[sharp ledge]

worth noting that they are kinda primarily using trial and error as mentioned in the original post

which tends to not be the most effective way of doing puzzles like that surprisingly

like qol sure but brute forcing stuff through trial and error is always gonna take longer

[quick heron]

OOOHH I thought this was about grave mistake mb

I confused the two

[runic escarp]

This quest is like a poorly made escape room ngl

[final canyon]

2013 quest design

or is it 2014?

really this quest makes far more sense when you think of it in the context of adventure maps at that time

and wynn at the time was much closer to a multiplayer adventure map

I mean I started playing because I liked adventure maps and before applying to wynn I made a few adventure maps

[fluid oyster]

True, hope it gets updated when the ct begins reworking 40-60 lvl quest range

[unborn mango]

All I know is that it was there during Wynnter update when I first played

Which is almost 10 years ago

[final canyon]

I think most players would go ape shit if we made another rework quest update before fruma lol

[sharp ledge]

^

[unborn mango]

2.2 is actually just Wynn province remastered

Fruma isn’t an endgame area it’s actually just a codename for the Jungle rework

[sharp ledge]

fruma is actually jungle expanded, accessed through a hidden door in wynnex side D

😼

dont tell the ct i leaked this 🤫

[unborn mango]

In order to access it you need to do Wynnex questline all over again because it reset for everyone, not because the questline was actually reworked, but because someone on CT changed the quest names slightly

[final canyon]

fruma starts at level 60 and ends at level 95

that level range really needs more content

[unborn mango]

Fruma does raise the levelcap from 106 to 121 but there’s no actual content to take you there CT kinda just forgot to do that part

[summer glacier]

I loved this quest insteqd of telling you what to do step by step it tells you "get me something from this area, and good luck". there are only 2 issue with it imo:

1. There is only 1 path to obtain the book, would be cool if there were more, but the quest is still good
2. There aren't many other quest like this

[spark zenith]

Dont you dare touch my precious house of Twain quest

[gentle phoenix]

i mean the only hints you get are "you need these items" not how to get them or whatever. And since one of the mobs spawns is so buggy that it's inconsistent it might take you a long time to complete it blindly.
Oh and that underground puzzle which is so much fairer

[amber rampart]

i would go apeshit yes

but out of joy

[final canyon]

wish more people would be like that lol

Some people got very mad at 2.1 when it was first out becuase it was just some reworks and not fruma lol

and I like reworking old content to be less bad

[gentle phoenix]

Same I'd love the content in need of reworks just to be the focus Because god i want older stuff to be in current wynn standards

[runic escarp]

Fair

I do hope that the puzzle quests get some love soon like house of twains and lost soles cause i do enjoy me a puzzle

[stoic wraith]

Quests should be more than 90% a fetch quest. I love the lore but u could do with expecting the least bit of intelligence from ur players

But then if that happens we get posts like these

And it circles back again 😔

[unborn mango]

Idk this quest just isn’t that good anymore

It’s almost 10 years old, it’s design is super outdated compared to every other puzzle quest in Wynn

[stoic wraith]

It's a puzzle

U must thimk. It's very in line with old mc puzzle maps and I'm all for it

[unborn mango]

It’s a kinda bad and very outdated puzzle

And also the mobs in the mansion are just dumb

[gentle phoenix]

Its less a puzzle and more just.. item gathering

[maiden ermine]

i liked it xD

[sharp holly]

I liked the entire Twain arc

[slate dawn]

i could take a look at just basic qol things like respawn point for example, i'll see

[solid dune]

how to beat House of Twain on a new class:

1. follow a walkthrough

but unironically. I have found puzzling through it "normally" to be a massive waste of time

[gentle phoenix]

I like the head puzzle but thats it

[slate dawn]

Made it respawn you near twendle across the lake instead of nesaak 👍