This. IS. BULLSHIT

[molten remnant]

...then say absurd

[vernal mango]

i use the word poopoo and not shit or garbage to give it less negative meaning

[vernal mango]

bullshit alr means something u dont believe should happen or is happening

[molten remnant]

its not well implied that you meant bullshit btw

but anyways i think my point still stands

you arent learning the boss and calling it absurd when you die to it

of course you are gonna die to it if you arent gonna put time into learning the new attacks

[vernal mango]

Ok to reiterate my whole argument and to not make shadow hate me entirely:

The new tcc graid is too fast for me. I do not like how that makes the bossifhgt feel and there are better ways to enchance a bossfight (new watched tna comes to mind) then speeding it up. The multitude of attacks combined with more added no longer is fun to me

The graid rewards plus the general hatred towards new graid tcc makes first getting 4 guild members to play this with you practically impossible, and quickly exhausts and simply bores players. How can you die 10 times in a row and know that even if u succeed u get some aspect and like 5le. Therefore i consider base tcc superior in all terms possible

I would be all for tcc receiving new attacks, a health buff? why not. Hell a dmg buff would be fine if the speed remained the same. I hate the speed. It's the only part i hate about the new graid tcc

[elfin basalt]

(I still hate boulders over the boss)

[last stump]

I think the changes were implemented too hastily. Players would have adapted better if the changes had been introduced more gradually, allowing time to gather information and understand what works or doesn't with the boss.

I can tell TCC in graid is a very different boss. It doesn't look like the original at all except the skin he's wearing

[rancid valve]

There was. A test beta. For almost a week.

Almost nobody who had acess to the beta played TCC, even when specifically asked to do so

[winged goblet]

yeaa beta had an average online of 4

[vernal mango]

yupp

[gentle owl]

How was it?

[normal sundial]

Somehow I managed to never notice it until now despite it having over 200 replies, time to read 👀

[gentle owl]

Slander to my good name Mr voidrim

[winged goblet]

not wrong tho!

ik ppl play other things too in seq but u guys got the most lightbender lb grinders

[full current]

It’s a relief that the graid isn’t a boring trudge anymore and is instead a slow jubilant match, slowly elevating yourself to the boss’s gaze. Never had that feeling of exhilaration in Wynncraft ever.

This isn’t lumi’s fault (or the CT’s fault for that matter). That being said, aside from the volcano attacks… I feel like just buffing everything to be faster is a bit… lazy? I liked how the original Colossus’s attacks emanated that feeling of feebleness and weight. Everything being faster just doesn’t translate well into that.

Additionally, winning against the boss feels a tad bit luck-based due to the amount of attacks happening at the same time. Some attacks have audibly similar sound cues, some attacks can obscure your view, and some attacks behave somewhat peculiarly.

Should’ve played beta more.

Someone mentioned the left volcano attacks, which can get hard to hear with all the other attacks.

[gentle owl]

It's the easiest most accessible thing for newer players and casuals. You are right we have a fair few people who play it but not exclusively either...

I disagree with not being able to solo it at all. Make it harder, sure. But you should be able to complete the boss when your party dies. Albeit with difficulty and hugely increased completion time.

[winged goblet]

if this is in context of graid, i do think solo should be either impossible or unreasonably hard cuz its team content duh

normal raid sure, just bcz pfinder is braindead

[gentle owl]

I agree, unreasonably hard ideally

Like 'Oh yeah you can still complete this but it'll take you the same amount of time it would to go start another run'

Instead of, oh the rest your party died and the boss is low TOO bad /kill and go next

[last stump]

Here we see TCC taking steroids and become The Rock

[tepid spoke]

Will the bugged hitbox of sword swipe be fixed in next patch? Its seriously annoying

it stays there even tho the swipe ended

[last stump]

Sword smashing (platform destroying) also has larger hitbox than expected

[sinful granite]

has anyone even completed the new guild raid tcc

[last stump]

There are many

[sinful granite]

oh cool

[last stump]

But many people left because it gave unfun experiences.

[sinful granite]

xddd im one of them

[last stump]

Most of my guildmates are retiring off from TCC and switching to TNA

[sinful granite]

I soloed it once on laby trapper

[last stump]

Because TNA feels more exciting and rewarding experiences

[tepid spoke]

a lot

[sinful granite]

never doing it again cuz it just takes too long

[tepid spoke]

I mean

[sinful granite]

agreed

[last stump]

If most runs in TCC, the top dmg is more than 15m

[sinful granite]

regular or guild raid?

[last stump]

Then you have a bad one, not a very good one.

Because when you have a strong party, the damage is shared quite equally among the player.

[sinful granite]

well tanky healers can be "strong" too but I can see your point as valid

[winged goblet]

ye first try we just ran around and won lol idk what u guys are on

[sinful granite]

were you all running dps builds

[winged goblet]

not really bis dps but no lb or any dedicated heal

[sinful granite]

oh

[tepid spoke]

Honestly

the only issue is that he spams attacks too fast

and even teamwork wont doo much about that

I like it that now team has to have atleast one person who will stay back and deal with healers, sword etc

[last stump]

He attacks so fast that only few build are able to dodge his attacks lmao

Otherwise you have to tank it

[plucky sky]

not agree, archer can easly escape, assassins have their own playstyle that already can deal with most of the attacks, mages can easly tp, warrior charge is fast. The only class i can see having issue (and can be countermesured by playing very well or going for specific setups) are shamans

not saying it's free but most of the times i die i can see a way i could've done better inputs with faster reactions

[vernal mango]

archers in tcc are the real bullshit

[plucky sky]

can we buff tcc graid pls it got boring already mods

[plucky sky]

you mean they are easy to play? I guess so yeah

[woven garnet]

Oki

[plucky sky]

jokes aside i really enjoy the new changes, i think tcc is currently on the perfect difficulty level (altough i wouldn't mind some crazy difficulty raids but it may be redudant to just keep scaling up stuff)
From my personal experience, if the guild party knows what they are doing the boss goes down quite fast and you can achive consistency no problem.
I really really don't get all the upvotes on the post, please do not consider a nerf

[full current]

I think this thread somewhat hyperbolizes the boss fight.

It’s more like if you lose your footing (i.e. falling off the shards) you’re probably going to get punished for it incredibly hard.

But there are still issues of attacks obscuring other attacks both audibly and visually.

So maybe that could be changed?

Then again if all 4 teammates are alive it’s basically just a different feeling altogether.

[plucky sky]

i get this can be frustrating yeah, hopefully that get solved but i mean i'm dealing with getting oneshotted from greg's voidholes because escape decides it's randomly not gonna work since two years, we can kinda play around those issues

[plucky sky]

this is totally healty imho

[plucky sky]

and yeah this is a key point. Fights like greg can be soloed way way more easly. Tcc really awards having a proper party, i was able to "solo" it only once and it was very hard ngl

it's just that idk, i feel most people tried 2 times with only one build setup and gave up alltogether once they saw this actually requires some focus

[full current]

Tried it with Fallen, it was pretty nice juggling between two attacks while also getting to max corrupted as fast as possible.

[woven garnet]

I will add next patch the volcanoes are getting a much better telegraph

With a title screen text image of a volcano looking thing

When it goes off

[plucky sky]

are macros for that legal to use rn?

[woven garnet]

Yes but

Macros for only 1 spell

Not 1 button press for multiple spells

Thoe don't be a goober just use ur fingers and do combos manually

[plucky sky]

no what i mean is i saw something that listen to volcano audio sound and put the title on screen when attack is coming

[full current]

And best of all

[woven garnet]

I mean that's basically gunna be a thing in the next patch

At base

[full current]

Lightbender may not be able to solo this

The axons will keep on healing him

[woven garnet]

Good

[full current]

And like, they’re going to spawn in abundance

[plucky sky]

ok if u don't wanna wait here u go c:
https://pastebin.com/uaWuYp1d

[woven garnet]

Mfw I can't solo as a hyper tank in the 4 player raid

[full current]

Since you just can’t reliably kill the axons with your crappy AOE

[winged goblet]

this is why we should BUFF lightbender i cannot solo the crayon eater raid anymore its UNPLAYABLE

[full current]

This is perfect, now they have to /kill and not be a stubborn ahh and whack the boss for 10 minutes.

[woven garnet]

True

[full current]

But anyways, needing your teammates to stay alive at this level of urgency is perfect.

Since it’s not like “eh, let’s carry” in TNA or NoL

The fight snowballs very hard

[woven garnet]

Tbh I do wish graid tna was harder

I agree with the feedback that a lot of the new attacks are kinda meh

[woven cobalt]

i got a statue greaves of the veneer leo cancer morrowind lightbender in my tna once, everyone died for various reasons, and he wasnt even doing over 10k dps to the boss and i had to convince him to /kill just so get out of the softlock

i love pfinder 😇

[full current]

Can we get a way to exit the raid at the boss please

[plucky sky]

They are very visually appealing but i still have to understand what the blackhole and the purple sphere do

[full current]

Voidrim suggested this

[plucky sky]

I don't think i ever got it by them, and i did my fair amount of tna

[full current]

Graid TNA was easy

If anything it may be easier in some ways.

[woven cobalt]

yeah imo graid tna is easier than normal tna

[plucky sky]

Yeah, that is kinda weird aswell, tna is supposed to be the harderst raid but rn i feel like tcc graid is on a completely different level

[woven cobalt]

watched is shorter, no worms makes it less chaotic, the pillars being so split makes it so easy to not get pvp'd, and all of the new attacks simply take way too long to come out to be either threatening or not a free opportunity to just beat the shit out of the boss

[full current]

They should make Greg’s projectiles go through void holes

[plucky sky]

as long as the fight stays visually clear and predictable, sure

[full current]

Makes it more unpredictable

[plucky sky]

I don't really like it tbf, i want attacks that are hard to dodge, not attacks that will kill me if i don't have enough ehp

[full current]

Well, “unpredictable” as in reactable, but you don’t know which void hole it will come from.

[plucky sky]

OK got it cool

[woven garnet]

No worms?

[woven cobalt]

worms dont come out if hit by pillars, removes so much of the challenge

[winged goblet]

can we make greg's roar lock his direction so he doesnt randomly 360 you with a stray particle

[full current]

Well

[woven cobalt]

esp if people know what theyre doing

[woven garnet]

I mean yea but hitting the pillars becomes the challenge

I agree with everything else u said thoe

I'm slowly working on buffing it up

[woven cobalt]

i suppose, it just doesnt feel difficult after a very short amount of time of getting used to it

[woven garnet]

But I don't wanna do a huge buff and have people flip their shit like they did with guild tcc

[woven cobalt]

oh nice

yeah idk noobs be noobing

[plucky sky]

Tbf as an archer having a hole next to the pillar would just feel like annoying
I think it's ok the way it Is but i feel like AFTER destroying the pillars something crazy should happen

Like a lot of skulls getting thrown idk

[full current]

His eye attack surprised me at first but like, I just walked to the side and nothing happened.

[woven cobalt]

with the more frequent patches though, i definitely think it's reasonable to push out buffs to the boss here and there so that the boss can get more difficult in a more... digestible way, if that's an appropriate word to use

[full current]

Orphion’s charge:

Also you mean 180

[winged goblet]

yea whatever

[full current]

[rocky osprey]

I do wish the pillars changed positions when they got hit

Cause rn you can just move between pillars very easily and its pretty light

[woven cobalt]

oh i'd like that yeah

@woven garnet thoughts?

[full current]

That’d look somewhat odd

Do they teleport?

[woven cobalt]

maybe they'd go in the ground and come back out liek they do at the start of the phase

[full current]

Or just move somewhere else.

[rocky osprey]

Like they sink to the ground and reappear somewhere else maybe

[woven cobalt]

or a void hole could appear below them and where they appear again

[vernal mango]

... Buddy played archer in tcc -2 times

[clear brook]

Permission number #4 **.sm utility disable ** is preventing this action.

[rocky osprey]

Cause rn you can just charge between pillars inbetween beams and since they are in the same spot it is pretty easy

[full current]

I mean I guess, but it’d have to be really fast so that you can still 2 cycle watched.

[rocky osprey]

Archer is pretty good in tcc

[full current]

Tstack Epoch carrying the graid TCC:

[rocky osprey]

Mhm

[plucky sky]

there are better alternatives to tstack epoch in graid tcc since keeping focus is not as straight forward but ye it's good

[rocky osprey]

I mean

Im ngl i dont like how quick watched is rn

[full current]

You don’t, but I’m sure other people like that it doesn’t take 30 seconds of time.

[plucky sky]

buddy kinda plays only epoch yes i died first 5 graids then got 95% success rate

[rocky osprey]

Its quicker than base tna that makes no sense

[full current]

Since once you know watched well enough it just becomes uninteractive.

[vernal mango]

I play gma trapper...

[rocky osprey]

Plus watched is like the best part about tna

[plucky sky]

i mean our escape works the same doesn't it?

[vernal mango]

Fuck tierstack

[full current]

For Watched just go in a circle

[vernal mango]

Yes, which is horribly

[full current]

The first worm will eventually retreat back.

[plucky sky]

idk i feel like melee classes are harder in tcc

[full current]

They are

[rocky osprey]

I mean yeah once you learn watched its fine but you kinda need to learn it

[full current]

Since the right volcano only hits the first row.

[rocky osprey]

Thats usually how mechanics like that go

Plus pfinder still sucks at it

[full current]

Hitting the pillars should be made harder, that’s all.

[vernal mango]

No cuz archer has the only spells that can't be repeated

[rocky osprey]

Its currently easier

[vernal mango]

Assasin, warrior, shaman, mage all can use their movement spell continuously

[rocky osprey]

I think the pillars should need atleast 4 hits

And move

[full current]

I think them moving is good enough.

[vernal mango]

Archer is: oh u escaped but the got knobcakced by something else off the areana? Enjoy trying to get back by continuously dying in the void and trying to get back to the platforms

[rocky osprey]

Doubt it

[full current]

Well I don’t want TNA’s fight to drag out like the normal fight.

[rocky osprey]

Well its a graid its supposed to be longer

[full current]

Or else everyone would just do normal raids.

[plucky sky]

oh you escaped but u got hit? guess what you didn't escape correctly
why are you getting hit as archer

that should not happen in the first place

[vernal mango]

Idk maybe because the fight is hard

[rocky osprey]

I mean most people do base raids rn

Cause graid rewards are pitiful

[vernal mango]

That's not the Fucking issue, the issue that escape synergizes very poorly with the fight unlike other classes

[full current]

Okay yeah the rewards need to be changed for sure.

[vernal mango]

All of them can return very safely very fast to the tcc platforms after getting knockrd

Archer can't

[full current]

Frenzy:

[plucky sky]

yeah not trying to act like i never die, but if i get hit for lack of reactions/space awereness i actually try to not make it happen again
and if that trumbles you that much play double jump build

[rocky osprey]

Escape is fone for tcc

Plus you have frenzy and leap

[full current]

Well they probably don’t play tstack judging from this

[rocky osprey]

Graid tcc is basically what base tcc should have been

[plucky sky]

sorry i got salty but please trust me on this archer is not that impossible on graid tcc
just gotta get used to it, other stuff is way harder

[rocky osprey]

Plus range is like the biggest advantage in thst fight

[plucky sky]

what skyrocketed my wr was actually not going melee on epoch like i used to do in normal tcc

[full current]

I heard the left volcano has some aimbot for their meteors

[plucky sky]

i escape totally opposite side when volcano btw i don't trust it

[rocky osprey]

Im ngl the times ive done graid tcc volcano has never been an issue

[plucky sky]

like i get as far as i can, i see em explode then i go back in, dunno how optimal it is

[rocky osprey]

Idk if im blind or something

[full current]

Probably just lucky that it targeted some other guy.

[rocky osprey]

Most people die to meteor of all things in my experience

[plucky sky]

to me it was only once
it did the slash attack and volcano at the same time. all the players where in the back platform and guess what
BOMBA, all the volcano stuff in one place, 4 players wiped from it
that was so fun lmao

[rocky osprey]

I think the big provlem is that base tcc and graid tcc are so radically different that it kinda trips people out

[full current]

I wish you could go under TCC’s wide sword swipe

[rocky osprey]

Can you not drop?

[full current]

It’d be funny for warriors

[full current]

I don’t think you can go under.

Unless you mean to intentionally drop down to launch yourself up.

[rocky osprey]

Yeah

Oh is thst not what u meant

[plucky sky]

i think they mean something like crouching

[full current]

Drop below the fragments then spam charge up

Actually no, just go to the back.

Not practical for Fallen.

[woven garnet]

Idk I still get people upset saying the pillars are too hard

[woven garnet]

well not really

its damage radius is so big u cant go under

thats on purpose or else the obvious best thing to do would be to go ender and take the tiny amount of damage from falling

[rocky osprey]

How

You just movement spell to the adjacent pillar its the same timing as base no?

Its easier than base tna

Make the timing more strict on watched

Idk i like the idea of the obelisk but their fixed positions kinda make it too easy

[woven garnet]

idk I just dont wanna hear the bs if I make it harder

so I wont

[rocky osprey]

Fair enough

[woven garnet]

people spent like 2 months telling me to buff tcc and I was like ok I'll buff only the Guild raid one heavily and it went kinda crazy

very few people are even asking me to buff Graid Watched so If I go and do that I will not hear the end of it

[rocky osprey]

Idk cause in base tna each beam spawns a void hole and the worm thing that makes it harder but graid tna the void holes dont even spawn but if people say its harder its harder ig 🤷‍♂️

[full current]

My god, in base TNA, just go in a circle 🤦

Oh nvm

[woven garnet]

fool

[plucky sky]

pain, ig we are just too "hardcore", i totally understand why you wouldn't like to do that for other bosses
As somebody that actually puts raiding on top of his wynn's favorite activities, i really appriciate what tcc graid is

[ornate hearth]

I'm sorry graid TCC is still basically impossible

It's just too many atks to deal with at once

At the very least, it's the hardest graid by a long shot

[last stump]

It's impossible to class (and builds) that can't avoid or tank hit from tcc graid easily.

Else, it's possible with certain classes and builds (famously biased by the dev (aka lb)).

Archer is by far the worst to deal with tcc graid because the movement spell mechanism is quite niche and not favorable in tcc boss fight.

[torpid blade]

Tcc graid is fine I don’t get the complaints, lightbender can just tank it, and I’ve played epoch in it and it’s fine

[rocky osprey]

Epoch

[vernal mango]

Don't like boltslinger

But like that's not issue at hand why are we arguing about fucking archetypes

[plucky sky]

Because you were saying that archer is unplayable in tcc graid when it really isn't the case and if you couldn't tell i play a lot of archer, not went into graid twice like you said
but whatever, it's clear that us enjoying the new changes are the vast minority, just don't go around and say it's impossible to complete because it really isn't

A bossfight is supposed to be learned and mastered, you are supposed to learn attack patterns, sound clues, have fast reactions and i would argue that it would be only healty if the difficulty makes even experienced players die from time to time
i'm all in for more visual clarity and stuff but if you want to play aspects farming simulator no graid is always an option

[last stump]

Bro I swear to god that we keep being brainwashed about all classes are "doable".

[vernal mango]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[plucky sky]

these are the bossfights difficulty yall are looking for no cap

am done with this thread condolescences to ct for having to deal with this

[last stump]

The initial problem with the raid lies in the rewards and farming mechanics. While the challenge itself is a great concept, it only works if players aren't overly focused on the rewards. The frustration stems from conflicts of interest.

And yes, we must acknowledge that raids are essentially farming simulators with more complex designs. They aren't intended to be challenging to such a degree, they are crucial for progression by default. By engaging in raid gameplay, players already contribute to the developers' success.

Which is TNA graid done pretty well. I don't say TNA is much easier; but it does encourage teamwork or else they will be punished by not doing it properly.

[woven garnet]

that only works if the base raids were made much harder, Guild raids being much harder is an optional challange for more rewards

I believe it is totally fair to lock the highest possible rewards per run behind a harder challenge

also I disgree that TNA is done pretty well. A lot of the attacks are pretty weak IMO and I have gotten that feedback aswell

other than Watched In G raid TNA I think it needs quite a buff

[torpid blade]

They’ve never played a souls game Fr

[woven garnet]

wynncraft is nowhere near as hard as a souls game

lol

[torpid blade]

Ik

[woven garnet]

MAYBE boss alters are

[torpid blade]

But they’re complaining about needing to learn to read massively telegraphed attacks

Don’t stand in the sigil, if its eyes turn red move. If the ground turns red move??

[plucky sky]

also you can make tcc graid into farming simulator, just need a good party...

[woven garnet]

I think one of the main complaints is that its too hard on some classes which imma be real. Maybe I am just a dodge god, but I just totally disagree that it's impossible on Archer, Shaman, or Mage like some people say

[torpid blade]

Don’t stand on the red sigil

[torpid blade]

Shaman I can see maybe

[woven garnet]

Archer especially. You have more range, you can stand much farther away from the boss

you objectivly have the most time to react of all the classes

cuz u can be further away

[torpid blade]

But also I don’t even find myself using movement spells on archer in boss, hell I run knucklebones half the time

Only time escape is needed is for big swing

[plucky sky]

all of my tcc deaths are because i forget to check for sygil as archer, never had issues with escaping

[woven garnet]

I use escape to dodge all the swings except the punch and headbut. Because I stand so far away those attacks straight up can't ever hit me

[plucky sky]

ay quick question archer enjoyers

[torpid blade]

I think it’s really nice having something that requires a bit more skill

Why is there slow mode on these istg

[plucky sky]

how do i prevent that glitch of not being able to cast escape sometimes? it's very deadly on voidholes

[woven garnet]

idk its dumb imo

there used to be issues of people spamming chat in arguments but I dont think slow mode really helps

[torpid blade]

Like not being able to cast midair?

[plucky sky]

yeah, even if i didn't previously cast escape

[torpid blade]

Ye no idk I just spam escape and I tend to get it just before I hit the ground

Voidholes is chill it’s getting spiked in tcc top that sucks haha

[plucky sky]

you may have just unlocked true tna consistency for me, thank you

[torpid blade]

Hopefully that works for you

Might only work for me because bad ping idk haha

[plucky sky]

yeah but that makes sense, being close to the ground should somehow help
tbf i got so frustrated at that now i just give up when i see that i can't cast while airborne
not exactly a wise course of actions

[torpid blade]

Just always run lightweight Fr

[elfin basalt]

Ngl the game being online is the biggest factor compared to souls alike, wynns difficulty spikes with ping which might be why people compare so

[torpid blade]

The souls comparison was a joke haha I highly doubt anyone is comparing the difficulty of tcc to darksouls, eldenring etc (wait hang on didn’t someone do that early in the thread). Ye ping is an issue but I’m in Australia, my ping is god awful, and I don’t really see the issue

[elfin basalt]

ok did i word it badly

proxy choking suddenly makes grace periods nearly nonexistent, tho ping does matter in places like nol

[rocky osprey]

Not even

[full current]

Bovine Altar at level:

[winged goblet]

@woven garnet is it intentional that void winds dont push you back into the arena but rather just randomly toss you around?

pretty sure they were described somewhere as "to get you back into the arena" but as of rn if you dont movement spell you literally die to their damage before they actually push you into the arena

[lucid axle]

u mean too easy

[ornate hearth]

Nono, it's very hard

[lucid axle]

nah

i basically wins everytime with my party

u do it faster than greg also

u can just shift in right corner or left corner in the center and his punch and his sink will never hit u

then just dodge long range sword, meter and volcano with enough ws(literally low) or mobility spell

the sword from the sky is a little bit difficult (just a little) but if u play in f5 is ez af or just have enough hp do stay on him doing up and down like super mario bros

[limpid zealot]

The hardest part is to open the reward chest

[full current]

What about the headbutt

[lucid axle]

i mean that just don t exist we can say

[full current]

Also how are you doing that exactly

I shifted on the right edge of the front colossal shard and I still got hit

Wacky ahh hitboxes

It gets incredibly weird when he begins to turn

[winged goblet]

@woven garnet the world we live in (lmfao)

no name cuz i dont feel like being toxic to that person but the mindset speaks for itself

[gentle owl]

I appear

[winged goblet]

does this count as the seq mention in ask ims

[gentle owl]

No I just had this thread open

[winged goblet]

dang it check the thread then i need to note the time

[elfin basalt]

Ngl im kinda of the person who would do this except i get 1tapped by a worm spawning since i was abit off a pillar

[normal sundial]

SEQ mention

[normal sundial]

Caught RaidKeeper slackin

[gentle owl]

Idk why I still follow this thread lol