ask Scripters

[sullen bone]

the cooler version of the ask IMs thread

[viral dune]

balls

[sullen bone]

gonna go with a yes on that one

[sharp cargo]

shaft

[sullen bone]

not so positive on those

[static wing]

sigma

fortnite

[sullen bone]

rizz

[sharp cargo]

ohio

[static wing]

gyatt

baby gronk

[sharp cargo]

only in ohio 🗣️

[viral dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240662452652347452/1295377522011406439/59ea81992809a7b5.gif

[sharp cargo]

this is def ask ims but better

selvut is evil as shit and hates fun

[static wing]

byggcrafr

nip nop

[viral dune]

for some reason this feels like a slur

[sharp cargo]

incorrect buzzer noise

[sullen bone]

git status

this isn't a command line

[sharp cargo]

anythings a slur if you try hard enough

fungus

[static wing]

when fruma

[viral dune]

tommorow

you arent invited

sorry :(

[sharp cargo]

yesterday
please come on over

[static wing]

🫃

[static wing]

ill invite myself

[viral dune]

sorry selvut added 50 fool eaters to eat you in fruma

[sharp cargo]

thats called trespassing

[sharp cargo]

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOOD STALKER MOB DESIGN 🗣️ 🗣️ 🧊 🍨 💯

[static wing]

🔥

[viral dune]

fool eater nerf :(

[sharp cargo]

gonna rant about fool eater in #🌎wynncraft in a sec

[static wing]

i eat fool eaters for breakfast

[viral dune]

give him back his 9m hp

[viral dune]

no fool eaters eated fools like you fool for breakfool

🔥

[sharp cargo]

fun fact fool eater is canonically a girl

[static wing]

game is game

[static wing]

fool eater finna be the one runnin tonight

[sharp cargo]

this is related to the fact that the fool eater is a blatant furry oc insert by madeline deusphage wynncraft

[sullen bone]

here's my editing setup for wynnscript (not pictured, i'm editing rust here)

[sharp cargo]

looks painful fun

i could never get into scripting/coding/developing etc etc whatever its called

[viral dune]

oh yeah we can ask scripters stuff here

mr scripter why is jump fatigue fucked in btb

[sharp cargo]

wow really had no idea

[sullen bone]

oh man you have no idea

it's so hard to detect jumps reliably

[viral dune]

sadness

why must minecraft be minecraft and not let 0 jump height actually function as a non jump

[sullen bone]

fact

[viral dune]

solution: put a spider web 2 blocks above every location except stairs

[sullen bone]

real

[viral dune]

i see no reason why it would not work

(also no webs at certain other locations with verticality)

[sharp cargo]

did that one build bug where you could walk on barrier in btb get fixed

that was there last year ( i didn't play btb this year )

[viral dune]

i mean i walked on barriers this year

accidently

[sharp cargo]

so they did not got it

[viral dune]

funny bug that let you fling yourself like 2 dozen blocks in the air

no bug abuse items required except the space key and a w key

[sharp cargo]

ahhshit they confiscated my w key 5 weeks ago

[viral dune]

also required something that prevents you from moving

[sharp cargo]

im forced to strafe or walk backwards now

[viral dune]

like an unpowered well

[sullen bone]

what if we just made it immediately game end you if you are on top of a barrier

[viral dune]

what if you made game end the second someone's y level changed

turn the entire map flat

actually that would kinda solve jump fatigue

would make for a very boring looking map tho

[sullen bone]

i mean that would fix jump fatigue yeah

it'd also be really fuckin boring to play on

[sharp cargo]

so are those random lootrun events under your jurisdiction?

[sullen bone]

somewhat

[sharp cargo]

what does the crack in the floor of haze cave do?

never does anything for me, and sometimes it just isnt there

[sullen bone]

fucked if i know lmao

[sharp cargo]

awesome

[viral dune]

if you step on it it breaks your mother's back

[sullen bone]

it's supposed to do something but it's never worked for me either

[sharp cargo]

good thing im adopted

[viral dune]

fine step on it and it breaks foxxochan's discord

[sharp cargo]

oh hell yeah

[viral dune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866453187421929562/1301652379870957568/caption.gif

[static wing]

it actually does nothing

[sharp cargo]

boutta run se lr just for that

amazing

[static wing]

i hope you get a full lr chest of 4 emerald blocks 🔥

[sharp cargo]

probably a higher profit than what i currently ever get

[static wing]

fine full chest of 1 emerald blocks

[sullen bone]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/554984861748822016/1117098595854848172/AutoMemes.gif

[sharp cargo]

still p good
i can legally never have more than 3 le at a time

[static wing]

uh full chest of shiny apocs

[sullen bone]

so it looks like it's supposed to teleport u somewhere

[sharp cargo]

jokes on you im a compulsive hoarder

[sharp cargo]

well it does not lol

[sullen bone]

quite

[static wing]

the crack in haze cave?

[sullen bone]

aye

[static wing]

it never teleports me anywhere

[sullen bone]

yes

i know

lol

[static wing]

when paladin buff

[viral dune]

tommorow

[sullen bone]

not my department

[sharp cargo]

when nemract build update

[sullen bone]

not my department

[sullen bone]

fixing this for next push

[static wing]

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-gif-6986683087227436377

[sullen bone]

see

ask scripters is the best thread

we get shit done here

[viral dune]

can you also fix fool eater

it has 10x less hp than it should have

2million is definintely too small and a bug

[static wing]

💀

[viral dune]

ok but cmon if im grinding 3 hours for a mob

id like it to be hard

and not just crumple to a single quake

[sullen bone]

fool eater is also not my department I fear

have you tried playing a class that isn't shadestepper

[viral dune]

well the only two alternatives is lightbender-insert foxxochan

and tstack archer

which also melts everything

[static wing]

just play tstack gert stick

[viral dune]

hmelee archer with pre spellbound rainmaker

[static wing]

overdrive morph

blunt force bashscream

[viral dune]

naked blunt force

[sullen bone]

flagellant acolyte

or the og meta build

morph olily

[candid pendant]

zamn

[prime geode]

I have a scripter question

will we ever get public documentation for wynnscript? mostly so people can look at the language they will be learning and using before applying for scripter

[viral dune]

they will be using scratch

[sullen bone]

highly unlikely unfortunately

but if you have questions about the language i can maybe answer some

[prime geode]

whats the most similar language to wynnscript? i heard its java but may be wrong

[sullen bone]

it's sort of similar to javascript

in that it's a c-like scripting languages

but don't expect any of your usual creature comforts like closures or functions as first-class citizens

[prime geode]

never dealt with any java stuff...
are scripters the only CT part of the team that uses wynnscript (if that is the name)? or do the other "content teams" use it (eg., mobs side of CT)?

[sullen bone]

scripters are the primary people who use it, but some (most) GMs are also reasonably fluent with it

they actually probably write the most wynnscript, for dialogue and NPCs and stuff

[prime geode]

last one, are there still parts of the game not on wynnscript (cmd)?

[sullen bone]

yes, but they're getting fewer by the day. very little (read: almost no) new content is built with cmds

[waxen copper]

op

[loud wave]

hi...
I have a few things I want to ask but this channel is dead.

[sullen bone]

ask away!

[loud wave]

first is this channel relating to general ct or more of the stuff like scripts and internal stuff.

[sullen bone]

the latter

ill answer anything though idc

[prime geode]

as long as its a question that can be answered

[loud wave]

ok... Mainly wanted to ask 3 things...
about the complexity of changing parts of the game relating to suggestions.
Since i'm trying to keep those suggestions simple.

First is would it be hard to create a toggle for the housing platform, where you could instead have it replaced with barrior blocks

Second would it be simple to use the code for towns [like scrolls say you are already in it, and haunted players being safe] To add regeions to negate certain stats like -hpr. [made a suggestion post about it]

3rd would it complicated to expand player housing to 7x7 chunks instead of 5x5. [guild housing is 11x11 rn]
80x80 =6400 [current player housing size,]
112x112 =12544 [suggested player housing size]
176x176 =30976 [guild housing size]

right now guild housing is about ~4.85 times the size of player housing.
My suggestion would to make it so its only ~2.47 times bigger instead of nearly 5... player housing islands are so small... I'm fairly sure ranked players would sacrafise housing slots for slightly bigger islands]

[sullen bone]

1. A little bit
2. Probably
3. Yes, very

[loud wave]

reason for 3?

[sullen bone]

i cant really go into details

[loud wave]

let me guess... 2 things
1 the housing plots, and their location above towns. [reason thremsted dosnt have one.]
2... Coded in a way where only certain dimensions work, primarily either requring new hosuings, or the commands/pluggins are designed to work in a specific parimeter that cant be adjusted.

oops misremebered which one was 2

[loud wave]

so 1 and 2 are reasonable? and not super complex?

meanwhile 3 would require alot of changes. even though adding 1 chunk to the right and left and 2 in the back would be hard.

[sullen bone]

something like that

[loud wave]

ok.

oh one more... is implementing models into the server hard... since they are multiple entities, per mob currently.

[sullen bone]

nah we just have a system to do it

[loud wave]

ok. Was simply wondering since it was a pain in the ass recreating and tweaking baby orphion from the texturepack... [I'm scared to ask emerald how long they spent recreating orphion from scratch] [took me 50 hours]

[loud wave]

also asking since Orphion is made up of over 100 entities. [not saying the specific number despite knowing] [those who have looked into the resource pack will understand what I mean]
So I was thinking simply the model was probably hell to add without an automated system.

[those stupid spirals on the side of their body are 17 each... [took ~12 hours to reconstruct...]

[sharp cargo]

wtf

do you possibly mean 100 cubes

[loud wave]

no. i dont mean cubes.... I mean entity files, angles like the spiral cant be done in a single one. Meaning its 17 different ones... 1 cube per file...

[sharp cargo]

boy am I glad i abandoned pack work

[loud wave]

lmao... well texture changes are trivial and easy, but model changes are a pain... since they are server side but its automatic... Meaning only recreating models is a pain and they cant be altered model wise via resource packs. But the textures can be changed

[wanton veldt]

I have been alerted to the existence of this thread

I had no idea this existed, hello

[blazing rain]

Imma put this on my channel list

[clever trellis]

ask scripters how was your day

[wanton veldt]

What can I ask here, anyway

What does scripting refer to

What questions can I give

The exact velocity of a mob’s charge spell?

[prime geode]

anything that mildly uses wynnscript, quests, spells, minigames, festivals

[dusk elm]

holy moly I didn't know this was a thing

[pallid compass]

Why does this thread exist

[somber imp]

🐀

[sullen bone]

shitposting

[sullen bone]

pretty good

i woke up

then fell asleep

then woke up

[pallid compass]

Sockmower is making Wynncraft's code woke...!?

[prime geode]

sockmower what is the best thing (in your opinion) that you made in wynncraft

[sullen bone]

GREAT question

hmm

I made a neural network to analyse handwriting in wynnscript which was really interesting (didnt go in game tho)

my proudest work is probably blizzard brawl (along w/ quint and lex, of course (and some help from pixel))

[prime geode]

wHAT??

[sullen bone]

yeah

uhh lemme find it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262010576295821312/1246731366167744512/spice_up_your_neural_net.mp4?ex=67e50210&is=67e3b090&hm=27c03ecca4b0f5fd1548e5a284eb786c54a2bf47a0437d45a4ad504a3a706d33&

[prime geode]

this could honestlt fit in a quest

[sullen bone]

where lol

[prime geode]

order of the grook for example

but a new quest entirely

[sullen bone]

oh like a kinda "draw a magic symbol" thing

yeah maybe

keep in mind its not 100% accurate

and kinda fucks the server up for 300ms while it calculates lol

[prime geode]

new war tech

have you found a way to make it not affect the server

[sullen bone]

uhh not really

theres no getting aroudn the fact that i need to do a lot of calculations

[prime geode]

another question, would it be possible for spells to have different effects based on your yaw (or pitch? the up and down one)

wanted to know if escape could work like pounce if it was aimed above eye level (positive) while working as normal if below eye level

[sullen bone]

i don't see why not, on a technical level

whether that's something the AT team would like to do is a different matter

[prime geode]

ofc

[pallid compass]

What if wynnscript gets an aLittleFasterPlease<3 {} environment

[prime geode]

do you need the <3 for it to work

[sullen bone]

yeah the 3 specifies how much faster you want it to run

aLittleFasterPlease<5 is faster for instance

[distant falcon]

Type to follow

[loud wave]

Kinda funny how I revived this channel

[prime geode]

best ask ct channel contender

[loud wave]

yeah.... I have wanted one... and randomly found out it existed.

well technical question... how laggy are the models given that the mob texture .jsons are using different entities in the game... With orphion alone being over 100 alone....

Like are the spirals less laggy due to the size of the entities or does the the block number what determines lag?

[sullen bone]

they aren't

on the server, I assume is what you're asking

[loud wave]

arnt laggy then?
thats good to know.
or do you mean entities.

[sullen bone]

they don't cause lag on the server, no

[loud wave]

ok.

[prime geode]

@sullen bone do you know why /pq only works while opening crates? and could it be fixed (regardless of if itd dev time or not)

[sullen bone]

no idea sorry not really my department

[prime geode]

huh... i really thought scripters were the ones who did particles quality for soem reason

[clever trellis]

how was your day

[dusk elm]

hey scripters! what does scripting include / entail?

[loud wave]

ok... Random question and gripe.... But how hard would it be to add petting to pets... its so sad I cant pet them.

[sullen bone]

mainly quests, raids, discoveries, puzzles. that kinda stuff

[pallid compass]

Not scriptable

[loud wave]

oof

so minecraft limitations? was it a scrapped idea?

[pallid compass]

Scriptable

Doable, but not scripter work

[loud wave]

I see...

would it be too much work?

[pallid compass]

Here's simple but not exhaustive guide:

• Is it like even vaguely related to the store -> not related to scripters
• Is it related to servers or server performance -> not related to scripters
• Is it related to identifiable items -> not related to scripters
• Is it related to any base system (trading, duels, tm, etc.) -> not related to scripters
• Is it content, especially content of which there exists multiple instances in the game -> probably scripter work

[loud wave]

ok good to know

[pallid compass]

No we just don't have access to the code for store things lol

We can't change how pets work they're a devside handled feature

[loud wave]

ah ok...

[wanton veldt]

Can’t we already pet them

[loud wave]

Hhow,

[sullen bone]

you need champion

[prime geode]

at lvl 24 all pets can be pat (?)

[fickle cosmos]

Untrue

U cannot pet the birds

[pallid compass]

you can, technically

but there's a bit of a funky code reason why it fails for them

[fickle cosmos]

This is so sad

[loud wave]

I have champion

do you use /pet or right click it with an open hand?

[dusk elm]

hey scripters! how long does a quest usually take to implement and what is the process of quest development? (like the stages)

[sullen bone]

depends heavily on the quest

but usually between a few and a lot of months

[clever trellis]

3 days

[nocturne rain]

Most of quest time is builds / mobs / dialogue writing / play testing / bug fixing

[sullen bone]

see if i was making a quest id just not put any bugs in it

[lyric marsh]

just features

[pallid compass]

bugs are instances of reasonable code failing because the user did something so horrendous and unbelieveable that it was not thought possible someone would do something so silly

[prime geode]

bugs are unintended features that avoid the eyes of the developer's and quality assurance, but not the eyes of the client

[pallid compass]

this is an incorrect assessment

this implies the existence of imperfections before they are created by the vile users

the world would be perfect if users could simply do things the intended way!

clearly

[prime geode]

these users and their bug reports smh

[nocturne rain]

shoutout to every CT member who had to do extra work because the first thing I'd do in every quest is try to leave the scripted quest area

I'm still sorry for whoever had to go back to every quest and redo barriers after swimming was a dded

[lyric marsh]

Hey atleast there shouldnt be throwable enderpearls anymore…hopefully

My memory remembers a time they were literally obtainable but uh years ago so

due to an amazing bug/glitched discovery zone

[clever trellis]

every level master and their worst nightmare waterfalls

[loud wave]

Would these 2 dreams be simple or difficult to implement internally? [just wondering coding wise] [I know the reasons why they wont be added]

[sullen bone]

technically it would not be difficult

[loud wave]

ok was just wondering good to know

so untradable items can be made untradable retroactivly good to know.

[nocturne rain]

Relic armor is so good, but I can’t justify recommending it to anyone lmao

[loud wave]

not really tbh... thunder is if you build for it.

[nocturne rain]

its just an upgrade to adventurer

[loud wave]

to a degree yeah... but 3 issues.... 1. it isnt easy to get, 2 adventuerer is near equelly as strong, minus a like 30% hp. 3 It gets imidetly outclassed by snow set.

[dusk elm]

hey when will firebird be added to isles of fiction?

idk if this is the right place to ask but this is the only place I can ask ig

[clever trellis]

there hasn't even been a patch since heroes ended

[loud wave]

is there a scripting reason why 2023 ring of stories didnt get converted to being yearless like 2024 ones? [I assume this has to do with the 2 different types of fragemented jewels.] But even the old untradable ones from 2023 cant be used to upgrade ring of stories 2023 anymore.

I assume this is an oversight, due to converting them to yearless forms. [as most festival items in heros had their year removed, besides 3 items. Ring of memories, Sigfried autograph and Salted Plushie.

https://forums.wynncraft.com/conversations/bug-report-submitted-on-2024-07-28.314859/

Also can someone explain why this happens? [festival items breaking/converting]

[sullen bone]

There isn't a scripting reason, no

[loud wave]

ok.

[vivid niche]

are scripter applications open atm?

wondering cause last time I got rejected since they were filled on trials or smthn

[clever trellis]

if you can apply to it then it's open

[vivid niche]

wait so why could i apply last time lol

eh whatever, no harm in just trying again

[loud wave]

ok. how hard would replacing gear locked regions be with simple quest requirments instead be?
#1361427836413415454 message

[loud wave]

how doable is incrising the trade market by 6 slots like this out of curiosity? [color represents rank slots]

[timid hamlet]

that has nothing to do with scripters

[loud wave]

ok.

good to know

sorry

[pallid compass]

TM slots are rank things

[loud wave]

makes sense

[slender merlin]

how are you scripters on this very fine day

[sullen bone]

average

i'd say a 7.5/10

[candid pendant]

do you have like a garden that grows socks instead of a lawn?

[sullen bone]

yeah

[candid pendant]

dang

do they taste good

[sullen bone]

7/10

[sharp cargo]

7/10 is too high

haha @sullen bone is a poopy head

fuck that was yesterday

[pallid compass]

i concur with this message

[loud wave]

Is hard is it to gain accese to scripting code if I join the ct?

[pallid compass]

that's a loaded question

[loud wave]

Mainly wondering since If I do join it There are some things I would try and tweak. Like housing stuff...

[pallid compass]

scripters obviously have access to the scripts but the bar for scripting is on having some programming experience to show for it

[pallid compass]

Housing is 0% script

[loud wave]

makes sense.

ok.

[pallid compass]

Again, if it's not repeatable content

High chance it's not script

[loud wave]

I see...

[pallid compass]

Scripter effectively plays out as content-coder

Quest designers / cutscene makers also have to work with script

though they are obviously more concerned with other technical aspects

[loud wave]

I am also intrested in that... But manily would want to tweak certain things... Would the idea of turning towns into no -hpr regions fall under that as well?

[pallid compass]

towns as a concept are also not scripted

[loud wave]

ok thanks for the info...

Are they simply coding then?
if so any idea what coding language they are?

[pallid compass]

They're dev stuff

CT cannot access dev stuff

[vivid niche]

really? I thought it would just be a list of bounding boxes lol

[pallid compass]

And you will not get access unless you get hired as a dev when wynn opens for that position again

[pallid compass]

Well they are just a config file

But that's that, a config file. We can't script how towns work

[vivid niche]

ah

[loud wave]

I see.
makes sense

well good to know... also are dungeons coding or scripted?

[pallid compass]

TM, bank, housing, areas, cosmetics, dungeons, ANYTHING accessed through compass are all 100% dev

like the structures around them

the content of a dungeon or raid is scripted, but the structure around it is devside

[loud wave]

I see thanks for the clarification...

I doubt I have nearly enough experience to be a dev... [I do have some coding knowledge though, beyond intermidate java for example]

[pallid compass]

Well, if dev positions opens up and you think you've got what it takes, just send in a job application

but the CT is not really the place to look if you just want to fix minor grievances

would also not advise becoming a dev for that.

[broken ore]

i thought that was obvious

[vivid niche]

wait hold on, the town you respawn in is just based on nearest distance right? so there's no config file to change like, what territories respawn in what city

rymek respawn drives me insane lol

[broken ore]

what do you mean areas though? Are those not defined to some box within x,y,z coorddinates

[pallid compass]

territories and respawning are completely separate things

[pallid compass]

towns are radial because ???

[broken ore]

what the hell

[pallid compass]

music regions are also radial because ???

[vivid niche]

i see

[vivid niche]

WHAT

[broken ore]

what the hell

[pallid compass]

not the quest mind you

it is just beyond me what the old wynn devs were thinking

making things that occur in rectangles 90% of the time be cylinders

4 parameters instead of 6 i guess :trol:

[vivid niche]

no wonder music playing has always sometimes been sketch

[broken ore]

is the stuff in the housing shop all dev too

surely ct can edit the listings

[pallid compass]

uhhh i don't know.

but like geniuenely

the answer to almost everything that isn't the content you paly through in a quest, cave, raid or dungeon

is it's most likely dev

[loud wave]

obviously...

[pallid compass]

or well mobs and npc

idk to me it's obvious ofc because i know what is coded and not but like

content content is script, most other things aren't

y'know

[loud wave]

some of it was some others like, cosmetics and and areas were no expected for me

[broken ore]

i kinda want an ask dev section where i can ask how on earth this data is stored

[pallid compass]

what data

[broken ore]

the data for the shop listings: what items, what prices etc

theres a lot of stuff that could be in here but isn't for some unknown reason

[pallid compass]

i would pray it's just some config file

like a yml or whatever

[broken ore]

that would be what i expect

allow ct to access this when smh

[pallid compass]

we do have access to config files usually

[broken ore]

i just want my cake as an item and it is unfortunately impossible to obtain from housing

[pallid compass]

but config files only allow tweaking parameters not changing systems

[vivid niche]

didnt you say you dont know lol

not that you don't have access to the housing items

[pallid compass]

i don't know!

[broken ore]

no but i mean the data is stored in some data file format e.g. json

[pallid compass]

i don't know if we have access to housing shop specifically

[broken ore]

and would be brilliant if ct were to be allowed access to this data file that contains the listings for housing shop

[pallid compass]

it might be somewhere deep in the repo but i wouldn't know, i don't edit housing shop as a daily activity

[broken ore]

what repos does CT actually get access to

[pallid compass]

huh did i not just say

[broken ore]

does wynncraft have repos on github

[pallid compass]

there's config files, we have access to changing them

but for housing prices i, me the person specifically don't know

[broken ore]

"only tweaking parameters not changing systems"

neither of those are to do with the data

[broken ore]

i know, just weird though

[vivid niche]

yea, the items sold in the shop would be a parameter

changing how the shop itself works would be the system

[broken ore]

why on earth would it be a parameter

[pallid compass]

that's just what it's called lol

[broken ore]

who is storing this data in a parameter

[loud wave]

config and yml files I know how to do those alot...

[broken ore]

dam

[loud wave]

I have expereince with java, a bit of pytho, and one more [either javascript or html]

[broken ore]

does wynncraft put all its repos and stuff on github or any other vcs service

this is one of the things i was really curious about because last i checked the actual wynncraft github has one public repo and that's it

making an entire org for one repo is suspicious

[pallid compass]

wynn uses git for file management (shocker)

[vivid niche]

theres a public wynn github?

[pallid compass]

but i don't wanna say much more than that

[broken ore]

nah i thought they'd be using mercurial in the big 25

[pallid compass]

there's some old wynn github archives

[vivid niche]

ah

[pallid compass]

surely the 10 year old server that cannot move on from 1.12.2 blocks would be using cutting edge tech...

[broken ore]

mercurial is like more ancient than git.....

[pallid compass]

i wouldn't know i don't do file management!

[broken ore]

hg came out in like 1977 lol

git first release came out end of 2005 i think

[pallid compass]

not really relevant

but yeah uh, i can't see a config file for housing shop but it's probably somewhere

[broken ore]

thank you

[pallid compass]

a lot of blocks aren't in housing because wynn can't use blocks post 1.12.2

[broken ore]

i'm aware of the fact but theres random stuff missing

[pallid compass]

and some of them aren't implemented because they'd been very buggy in testing housing

[broken ore]

like i know theres probably a reason for tripwire hooks to be missing but why is mossy stone brick slabs missing

[loud wave]

seen methods of using post 1.12.2 blocks in 1.12 but I would not recommend them as they are janky and very buggy.

[loud wave]

yeah

[broken ore]

stone brick slab exist, mossy stone brick exist, no mossy stone brick slabs even though they were definitly in 1.12

[pallid compass]

we do want to go past 1.12.2 but tech debt has been making it difficult and the devs have been relentlessly chipping away at it

[broken ore]

how much money would it cost from salted's money to do a full wynn rewrite

[vivid niche]

what how does that happen

you can use display entities but not blocks?

[pallid compass]

it's called wynn still runs on 1.8.9

and the server simply LIES to clients

[vivid niche]

dang 💀

[broken ore]

i know that much but nonetheless it is crazy

[pallid compass]

it was already a stretch to get 1.12.2 blocks to work with that 1.8.9 server base

and adding those added to the immense amount of tech debt we now have

[vivid niche]

yikes

[broken ore]

but afaik these blocks were added before or on 1.12.2

just a bit weird

[broken ore]

also it is probably at this point that you should be considering a rewrite from scratch

I mean 1.8.9 was 10 years ago now

no idea which dev i would need to bring it up to though

[vivid niche]

im sure they are already working through the issue

[broken ore]

yeah its called working through tech debt

but there comes a point where piling shit on top of an ancient thing is unsustainable and bad

[vivid niche]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

they probably know how to update the server better than random wynncraft players lol

[broken ore]

perhaps but

from what is publicly shared

[pallid compass]

sometimes relieving debt tech, is in fact rewriting things.

[broken ore]

• wynncraft runs on some 1.12.2 system
• stacked atop a 1.8.9 system
• wynn currently only accepts 1.21 i think

[broken ore]

i understand the point but i mean some kind of full rewrite from scratch instead of refactoring component a or b of the system

[vivid niche]

i feel like it would be easier and more efficient to gradually rewrite systems

[broken ore]

unfortunately it is likely to be unprofitable to do so

[vivid niche]

like, why rewrite the entity system if they just did that

[loud wave]

thought it was 1.7.10...

[loud wave]

yeah

[pallid compass]

reread my message

[broken ore]

"sometimes relieving debt tech, is in fact rewriting things."
i interpreted this as meaning writing things gradually like some part of it, not all of it

[pallid compass]

there's obviously always degree?

[vivid niche]

yeah

[broken ore]

like a full rewrite wouldn't be functional all at once, it would be incomparable to the existing system

[pallid compass]

you can't completely redo wynn from open new folder start over

that is like actually not worth it

[lyric marsh]

looks at the seabed

[pallid compass]

our devs aren't first timers

they know what they're doing

[vivid niche]

thats why you just rewrite chunks of a system, and reattatch it to the whole

[broken ore]

thats actuaally what happens most of the time in production afaik, at least what i know from friends working at big tech

and it would be nice but sometimes you end up with unavoidable tech debt that cant really be fixed without a rewrite

[pallid compass]

you seem to have the notion that a rewrite means redoing the whole project

[broken ore]

i meant a rewrite from scratch as in reimplementing the entire thing

[pallid compass]

some big parts of wynn need their rewrite

[broken ore]

exactly this actually

[pallid compass]

but not all of it

and you can't really argue this

[vivid niche]

yea bro is saying that that is not worth it

[pallid compass]

because this is exclusively a question of how bad is it internally

and you don't have nearly enough knowledge of how it looks internally

judging what needs a rewrite from the outside is like actually near impossible

[broken ore]

i do not but i came to a rather unhappy conclusion because of how fucked a lot of stuff is

its either as bad as i think or worse on the inside

[pallid compass]

well that may just not be based on reality lol

again, i would just be repeating what i just said

you don't know enough of the specific inside details to make this call

[broken ore]

that is true

[pallid compass]

having heard from the devs and what they're working on, i'm personally confident wynn can overcome most of its tech debt in due time

it just takes some time to actually do the improving

[vivid niche]

I assume right now it would be just a mix of old systems and new systems right?

so youd only need to rewrite the old stuff

[vivid niche]

like this abomination

[pallid compass]

well yeah new things are obviously up to standard

[loud wave]

rewriting everything means throwing everytving out of the window... which is a terribe idea

[pallid compass]

i don't really wanna continue this discussion

[vivid niche]

yeah thats what im getting at, if new systems are up to standard then its not necessary

[broken ore]

you'd be surprised when a legacy system is so bad that it is impossible to maintain it

[pallid compass]

because i can't speak entirely freely about the specifics

[broken ore]

i mean you have more knowledge than me about this

[pallid compass]

nor do i know all of them

[broken ore]

ig more accurate

[pallid compass]

and they kind of matter for judging how bad the old code causing suffering is

i can tell you, i am hopeful and have reason for that wynn can gets its tech debt under control

[loud wave]

Not wrong but your also not write its a middleground

[pallid compass]

and that's kind of just what you have to believe me on

[loud wave]

try and find what can be kept and what can be chucked out but if it an unusable mess throw it out

Its often a terrible idea to fix wvat isnt broken... But its also a terrible idea to not throw out things if they are bad

[broken ore]

i am willing to accept that

just want to say that throwing everything out and starting over is more common than you'd think

[vivid niche]

whats the policy if ct accidentally (or purposely) leaks things lol

[pallid compass]

well it depends on intention and severity

[loud wave]

I know... But that depends on many factors

[vivid niche]

ah

[broken ore]

say it was not really intentional of the ct and their device was hacked and all data dumped somewhere

but the data dumped is massive

what would it be like then

[vivid niche]

well punishing someone for being hacked would be insane...

[pallid compass]

well that just kind of can't happen

not super easily at least?

shit is set up to expose ct members only to what they really need to see

like some ct say stuff that they shouldn't

but it's so minor and not done out of malice

that it doesn't super matter

it's mostly just common discretion

if you're being a bad actor, obviously you'll get punished

if you do something severe recklessly enough, you can't be trusted

[vivid niche]

makes sense

[loud wave]

well wonder if I gain a good enough reputation amung the ct if I can atleast look at some of it...

[broken ore]

how to get a ct member fired

[loud wave]

maybe but I would simply want to see and maybe even help. [like make pull requests]

[sullen bone]

we can edit these

[sullen bone]

we use git for our repos internally and have a github org, draw what conclusions from that as you will

[sullen bone]

you will not be able to look at the plugin code without becoming a wynncraft developer

[loud wave]

I see makes sense...

[sharp cargo]

what language would you say is most similar to this famed "wynn scripty"

[broken ore]

thanks that's enough info

[broken ore]

where do i go to request you add some item or other

[sullen bone]

make a constructive feedback thread

[haughty rampart]

whats the deal with the AS server right now

[sullen bone]

not a scripter thing

[pallid compass]

Guide to "What is done by script?"

• Script is used to make
  • NPC interactions,
  • Cutscenes,
  • Interactive dungeon, raid and quest content,
  • More complicated mob mechanics,
  • Minigames.
• Script is not used
  • to make the base game systems (health, mana, sprint, spell casting, trading, dueling, housing, etc.)
  • for any systems found in the compass menu,
  • for anything relating to the Wynncraft store,
  • to run the servers or influence their performance.

[candid pendant]

im sure you could influence server performance with scripts

[pallid compass]

scripts have built in protections to not affect server performance

[lyric marsh]

wait does that mean orphion shocking mites on beta nuking us wernt hitting server performances?

[pallid compass]

not sure what you're referring to but orphion lightning does, in fact, send a lot of particles that can cause client connection issues

[lyric marsh]

er meant the portion of built-in server performance protection

[pallid compass]

i am really not sure what you are talking about

there's been no known server crashes or extreme performance impacts due to scripts

there's been server crashes during things like anni but they've all been the server itself just being too overloaded than any specific scripting fault

[lyric marsh]

isee

was just wondering since apoc and orphion was a dream team to kill the server performances and idk if that said protection was preventing it from crashes

[pallid compass]

well it does strain the server to play a billion animated particles

[sullen bone]

early versions of blizzard brawl collision code: henlo

that used to regularly slow or entirely crash servers

[pallid compass]

well yes if you write excessive shitcode that can happen

[lyric marsh]

💀

[broken ore]

this isn't really a scripting question but a general CT question

who actually does the resourrce pack

like who does the art and all the packing and obfuscation stuff for the wynnpack

[pallid compass]

Our resourcepack manager fey handles the rp

but a lot about the rp is also automated

though I don't wanna say much more than that

[broken ore]

one person does all the art??

[pallid compass]

well resource pack and art are separate things

we have modelers and artists and contractors that make all of the models, textures and ui art you see

[broken ore]

for the ui pixel art stuff, are your artists allowed to divulge what tool you use?

[pallid compass]

uh i wouldn't know but any art program will work

[broken ore]

just curious mostly because theres some weird stuff in the actual pixel art like the colour of something being just a smidge off

[pallid compass]

i think someone used aseprite, i forget

[broken ore]

like #ffffff vs #fefefe

[pallid compass]

possibly intentional, not sure

[broken ore]

I was wondering if that was due to some compression tool you use or actual mistake by whoever does the art tbh

[broken ore]

literally indistinguishable from human pov

[pallid compass]

well ""mistake""

[broken ore]

sure

[pallid compass]

we don't do lossy compression

the obfuscation isn't super there to prevent stealing, it's like pretty easy to reverse

[broken ore]

i know that much but its just a bit strange

[pallid compass]

shit happens when editing an image

you're probably overthinking this

[broken ore]

i mean sure, maybe i am, but its weird. you would assume these two colours are the exact same but turns out they aren't

255,174,179 vs 254,173,178

[pallid compass]

does it... matter?

like at all in any way?

[broken ore]

not particularly but just something i thought was incredibly strange and I wanted to know if there was an answer

like its bizarre

[pallid compass]

it's not strange at all

[broken ore]

it is fairly strange in my opinion at least

[pallid compass]

idk what to tell you

that's how it is

if it mattered, someone would have noticed and done something

the fact that it is like that indicates that it is perfectly irrelevant

[broken ore]

i mean as i said it is not distinguishable to humans

just a strange thing ig

[pallid compass]

like idk what to tell you, pixel off by one? can happen, possibly color picked from elswhere

maybe there was some opacity that got compressed, idk

[broken ore]

well this is one of those textures that isn't 254 opacity, its just 255, so idk

[pallid compass]

again, why does it matter

[broken ore]

it doesn't particularly, but I was curious

[pallid compass]

okay then we arrive at the conclusion it's not weird, it happens

[broken ore]

i mean the reason I am curious is specifically because it is strange from my pov

not something that matters

but still odd

[pallid compass]

not sure how you would get to that take, things are just off sometimes because creating art isn't a perfectly mechanical process

there is like a 100% chance that something trivial and irrelevant is behind why it's that

like this is firmly territory of human imperfection

[broken ore]

perhaps

[sullen bone]

the packing and obfuscation is automatic

[sullen bone]

each artist uses their own preferred tools

[broken ore]

ok

[slender merlin]

how are scripters doing on this extremely fine marvellous day

[sullen bone]

6.5/10

am tired and cannot sleep

[slender merlin]

doesn't sound like an extremely fine marvellous day

[dusk elm]

Hello scripters! How possible is the idea of having every npc in fruma have custom idle animations?

[pallid compass]

this is trivial to implement npc code wise

it is however incredibly taxing to produce that many idle animations

[dusk elm]

oh i see ty for answering

[slender merlin]

how are scripters doing on this extremely fine marvellous day once again

[sullen bone]

hmm

5/10

i have a dry throat

[delicate swan]

rip
get well soon!

scripters quick question
iirc the reason custom armour textures were removed was that it was pinging mojang server too much that mojang got angry
but how did it work? why did it even ping mojang servers in the first place if its just a texture pack?
and with the current wynn technologies/1.21.5 features, would it be possible to reintroduce this feature back?

[sullen bone]

custom armour skins back in the day actually replaced a player's skin with something else (usually a png overlaid onto part of their bodies). in order to get this skin, a request had to be sent to mojang servers to sign the new generated skin every time it was updated. Mojang didn't like this, so the feature was removed.

[slender merlin]

how are scripters doing on this extremely fine marvellous day once again once again

[broken ore]

any possibilities on making them a thing again? iirc new minecraft basically implemented CIT in vanilla and can be done in resource packs.

oh yeah it's the component item model thing added in 1.21.5 iirc

[sullen bone]

whoa missed the scripter checkin

I'm pretty good

on holiday at the moment

[candid pendant]

full lari cosplay

❤️‍🔥

[slender merlin]

10.5/10?

[sullen bone]

that seems a reasonable rating

[nocturne rain]

hello scripters please script a good day for yourselves, thanks

[sullen bone]

on it

[candid pendant]

hello scripters what is your favourite script name in existence

[sullen bone]

iamsofuckingconfusedwhythisbehaviourhappens

it's in my personal folder

[dense vault]

I had no clue this was a channel

absolute peak

[sullen bone]

I agree

[candid pendant]

Who is the #1 scripter

[pallid compass]

the frogtor and pepo, obviously

[candid pendant]

There can only be one

[pallid compass]

Bold to assume they're always different

[dense vault]

Have you ever seen them in the same room?

[candid pendant]

Idk eho frogtor even is

[pallid compass]

Heresy

[sullen bone]

linus torvalds

[candid pendant]

Whoa whatd he do in wynn?!

[sullen bone]

some of our servers probably run on linux

[dense vault]

How difficult is it to be a scripter

[sullen bone]

depends on if you already have programming knowledge

[dense vault]

I used to fuck around and make tons of datapacks n all and have an interest in programming

I learned cpp so far which is nice but I’m wondering how different it is

[sullen bone]

wynnscript is somewhat similar to very basic c

[dense vault]

that’s nice, I did like coding in cpp very much

Haven’t tried basic c yet though

[broken ore]

you should learn rust

[dense vault]

perhaps, is it fun to work with?

[broken ore]

imo yeah

i mean the main thing is that dependencies aren't hell to work with and everything is basically centralised around the Cargo tool

you got a package manager, a build system, and all that bundled together in one command

[dense vault]

that’s convenient

[broken ore]

also the syntax is cool

rust syntax is just that good

type system too

[dense vault]

I’ll prob look into it n see whats up

[broken ore]

if you want another thing that's good about rust

it's basically C with condoms

you aren't going to get segfaults

without explicitly annotating your code as unsafe

which you don't need to do usually unless you're doing some really low level stuff

[candid pendant]

Whos the best scripter

(Objectively)

[pallid compass]

that would be our new trial builder I think

[candid pendant]

Cary

[sullen bone]

bob ross

[candid pendant]

Is that your alias

[sullen bone]

yeah

i am the painting guy

[timid hamlet]

whoever adds wybel cart racing to the next festival will be the best scripter

[pallid compass]

done, all festival games are now battle for the bonfire

[drifting hamlet]

@somber roost

Secret 3rd ct thread

[somber roost]

hello

iteilities

ask scripters copy their name

why not original like ask ims and at questions

hello scripters what is ur favourite item and favourite ability

thank you

[pallid compass]

Hate all of them hate wynncraft (naturally)

[somber roost]

ok so ur favourite is all of them

interesting

[dense vault]

Nah I hate all of them too except that specific one

We all know who it is though, don’t even have to mention them

[sullen bone]

my favourite is that one item and i really like the ability which makes you do that other thing

you know the ones i mean

[dense vault]

Of course we do, I mean it’d be ridiculous if someone didn’t know which one you were talking about from your statement

[candid pendant]

Aurwly its [unreleased item] and [unreleased ability]?!

[dense vault]

they’d have to like, not be reading your message correctly or something

[somber roost]

https://tenor.com/view/swimming-cats-kittens-swimming-lessons-gif-4316850680702973596

im blind so

i dont know what u mean

[loud wave]

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1397890919809945652 any of these ideas simple to implement?

[pallid compass]

idk lol we're not devs

[timid hamlet]

why do you want to lock player info commands behind a rank?

[prime geode]

? never heard of this

[timid hamlet]

in the suggestion

[prime geode]

oh in the suggestion. like, ??????. a rank perk to give you a link (which you can... search it up on the page AND it also shows your own stats in those rare messages already) is both useless and bad rep from outside perspective

[vivid niche]

so... I applied four months ago with no response 💀

did something go wrong or are yall just too busy with fruma :p

[sullen bone]

what's your ign?

ah found your application

looks like nobody got around to reviewing it

I'll get someone to take a look

[vivid niche]

oh nice, thanks :D

[vivid niche]

lol

[lyric marsh]

sounds like the typical job application moment

[waxen copper]

hi can we add a check on groot upepr lower (3rd room) for who is alive

rn if if one person dies up top and one person dies on bottom it fails even tho it should be able to be completed if 1 person is alive on each side

[sullen bone]

it's possible but not trivial

[waxen copper]

Thanks it's just annoying when I'm with a friend and the most viable strategy is to split and nuke the bosses before the pfinder can die is the safest thing you can do

[prime geode]

@sullen bone how does sound work in wynncraft? are you using something like this (image)? if source can be modified you could make all sounds of a category (player spell sounds would be on player, while all mob sounds could be on enemy).
This is mostly so you can divide each sound setting using the player's sound settings (might be a ton of work, but its great for customization without any mods).

[sullen bone]

that would be possible, yes

not trivial, though

[pallid compass]

much is possible

little is trivial

the curse of a more than 10 year old project

[loud wave]

yeah

[timid hamlet]

personally I want all sounds to play via master and with min volume set to 100

[waxen copper]

@sullen bone how is the raid reward chest rewards determined between tomes, eb, le, amps, powder, ability shard, unid pieces, charms

like the odds for getting certain ones

cuz sometimes its avg and normal but sometiems it feels like u get no money or ur whole chest is money

[sullen bone]

I can't tell you that sorry

[vivid niche]

is this still true for fruma lol

[pallid compass]

uh pretty much yeah

[vivid niche]

dang 💀

[pallid compass]

but it's like omega modified 1.8.9

[lyric marsh]

holy fuck

surely it eventually gets to move on

[prime geode]

surely eventually we will get offhand slots potentially surely

[delicate swan]

i forgor this thread exists

lemme use this opportunity to ask

any idea where i can find the model for banitsu totem in the resource pack from cotl lr's elemental defense challenge?

[delicate swan]

this is the fella

[vivid niche]

was fruma the diamond biome

[sullen bone]

yes

[vivid niche]

YES I KNEW IT ALL ALONGG

[prime geode]

i mean it was kinda obvious, since there was no other upcoming update, but maybe it could have been a new out of map area, like a raid or quest so

[loud wave]

diamond biome?

[prime geode]

https://youtu.be/jb8hTOLzLnI?si=Uzgx3-v9GzmQnC8q&t=749

timestamp included

[loud wave]

oh that the wip area.

[prime geode]

thats the diamond biome yup

actually it looks like bat cave, but it probably isnt

since its not even finished terraining so

batcave was written in the walls

like archeologic drawing

[vivid niche]

you might be onto something…

[nocturne rain]

Iirc this would have been where highlands is

Bat cave wasn’t even there until end of beta

[vivid niche]

do you guys keep world downloads of the build server? maybe it’d be cool to stitch a bunch of renders together to make a years long timelapse of fruma building, though saying this out loud makes me feel like that’d be a LOT of effort

[prime geode]

thats a bit of space

[vivid niche]

also as of today my scripter application has turned one year old LOL 🎉

[sullen bone]

whats'y our ign