midnight hare Oct 21, 2024, 10:58 PM

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I'm creating this thread to compile information about issues related to backstab on shadestepper - particularly on how they seemingly can never proc the double damage part and shadow siphon whatsoever on specific targets.

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the quality of these clips might be a bit low but I need to so to upload here without nitro

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The basic behaviour of vanish

Since I have the shadestepper aspect's vanish aspect cooldown, I will have ~3s of vanish cd whenever I exit it without any reductions, as shown below

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I am aware the wynntils tracker should not be trusted, but it is very noticeable even then.

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The intended behaviour of shadow siphon

When I properly backstab an enemy with shadow siphon, vanish cooldown will be greatly reduced as shown below, a noticeable amount of "blood" particles can also be seen here

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as seen above, my vanish cooldown is very different than in the first clip, and I can enter vanish properly right after

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The problem

Some mobs simply cannot proc shadow siphon, and the damage value is also significantly lower. I am unsure if these mobs in particular shares any specific attributes which could lead to this, but these clips should do the explaining.

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EO 1st maze miniboss

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The Eye's 2nd phase

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To-do:

~~TCC 3rd room minibosses~~
TNA 3rd room void holes
World events minibosses (~~decommissioned war machines~~)
~~Orange Wybel~~

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Curiously enough, passive mobs do not seem to be the cause, as seen in the first clip against lutho citizens. Support AI which could be one due to the 1st EO miniboss was also not the case, as shown in the clip against Qira's first phase below.

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@ivory tartan you might be able to add to this, unfortunately its time to sleep and I will finish the remaining tomorrow

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@sweet bison @gleaming otter sorry for the ping but I don't want to flood IM threads with these and I want to keep them all in the same place since it would be great to have this get looked into"
I'll be happy to provide clips in specific settings/environments if possible too

ivory tartan Oct 22, 2024, 1:21 AM

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TCC Third Room Primeval Machine

Landed 2 backstabs and as you can see vanish cd didn't change
In the clip you can also see the backstab isn't backstab boosted since my build should be averaging ~130k with the boosts i had not even accounting raid buffs (wynnbuilder only goes up to 6 marks but I have 8)

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TCC Third Room Axon

Clip only shows last Axon but none of the Axons have a back

eternal oyster Oct 22, 2024, 2:23 AM

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@tropic snow

ivory tartan Oct 22, 2024, 1:45 PM

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midnight hare ## To-do: ~~TCC 3rd room minibosses~~ TNA 3rd room void holes World events minib...

havent tried out decommissioned but ahms has a back when i tried it

midnight hare Oct 22, 2024, 3:28 PM

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ivory tartan havent tried out decommissioned but ahms has a back when i tried it

must have been my skill issue then, I'll check out decomm later

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thanks

ivory tartan Oct 22, 2024, 3:28 PM

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np

ivory tartan Oct 23, 2024, 4:28 AM

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Decommissioned War Machines World Event

Miniboss and big guy both dont have backs

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Orange Wybel

Orange Wybel does not have a back (even though orange cybel does)

sweet bison Oct 23, 2024, 5:17 AM

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truly nonsensical

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there is no common factor here

ivory tartan Oct 23, 2024, 5:18 AM

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yea its very strange lol

tropic snow Oct 24, 2024, 1:44 AM

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Huh.. this is some bizarre behaviour, I can't look into it much very well at work, but having clips and specific examples of the ability not working should help me figure out what's wrong

ivory tartan Oct 24, 2024, 1:46 AM

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idk if its important to mention but im also using the t2 backstab angle aspect

tropic snow Oct 24, 2024, 1:49 AM

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Backstab is supposed to be based on a comparison between the direction the player is facing and the direction the target is facing on the tick damage is dealt, and if they are within a certain range of each other, backstab triggers (there is no positional detection, since if you are facing the same direction as the target it is assumed you're hitting from behind. This is why backstab can trigger if you are standing in front of or inside an enemy you can still backstab them with the small reverse part of the hitbox if you face away from their front)

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So the fact that there seem to be exceptions is really strange

tropic snow Oct 24, 2024, 1:59 AM

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ivory tartan idk if its important to mention but im also using the t2 backstab angle aspect

Gotcha, I'll keep that in mind

midnight hare Oct 24, 2024, 5:37 AM

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ivory tartan idk if its important to mention but im also using the t2 backstab angle aspect

I'm also using exactly t2 too, I'll try without it later and see if that's the problem

serene ice Oct 25, 2024, 6:06 PM

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