Official Banish the Beyond Feedback Thread

[inland hornet]

Out of sight out of mind

[fervent sorrel]

Idk

[inland hornet]

I see 0 reason how this would affect people who play the game for fun

unless the point farmers are like 4 stacking for some reason which wouldn't make sense

[tiny grove]

@britishcuusine fr

stop 4 stacking farming in pfinder

@velvet palm

lock in

[hollow hearth]

It's more of just an issue how players end up using it to negatively impact others rather than the system itself I think

And removing it would hurt pretty much everyone else who doesn't want to play spirit

But it is just an easy way to be toxic and bully others (I guess there's something in the mechanics or asymmetrical gameplay that makes all games of this genre pretty toxic 💀)

[tiny grove]

just force like parties of 3 or 4 people to have 1 or 2 people have their idol off

and say the idol's power isnt strong enough to protect eveyrone or smth!
smth smht

[topaz pollen]

cant really do that

[hollow hearth]

Or at least these types of games aren't inherently toxic but they seems to especially attract those who are

[analog bay]

I don’t think idol needs a buff 💀

This is me I am the problem

[analog bay]

It hurts people who don’t want to play spirit- which I think is a lot more than the few 4stack idol parties

As in quantity affected

Point farming isn’t much of an issue with idol I think

If your 5party farming like whatever no one can stop you

And even though survivor does have more point potential than spirit, the most common uses of idol are people who harass spirit and people who don’t want to play spirit at all

It feels unreasonable to punish people who (for good or bad reasons) want to play survivor and make it so it’s harder for them to play survivor

The only difference between a 4stack idol team is really just communication- idol has no real difference in the matter besides guaranteeing they all get to work together

Without idol it’s only guarantee three of them versus a competent spirit

It’s just up to skill, and unfortunately the average pfinder isn’t going to know very much about the game

Is it worse to stomp pfinder as spirit or worse to stomp pfinder as survivors

4stack idol is not a guarantee win as is entirely up to the people with idol on to play well

[tiny grove]

:3

[tiny grove]

also am curious is there stats for like most picked spirit and stuff

or total score earend

[analog bay]

I wonder if that’s tracked

Score probably but

[tiny grove]

yeah jut curious

[topaz pollen]

we cant track this kinda stuff rn

[tiny grove]

womp

[whole holly]

O damn couldnt track it

[fervent sorrel]

BtB is unironically more fun than any other endgame content in wynncraft rn

So it really is a shame that it got 2-3 CTs working on it and no tracking of metrics....

But then again, idk how to really balance it if it were to be a permanent minigame like a raid, since its 1v4

Due to the nature of games being only as hard as the spirit is skilled, how can you properly scale rewards without farming. And how to detect farming vs survivors that are just really good or spirits being really bad

[tiny grove]

just make it give no rewards idc

add it to deaths realm it's alr not Canon rn iirc

🥺

[pale dove]

also it being a limited time game helps a lot

feels more fun, queues are faster, etc

than if it were all year

[fervent sorrel]

Idk how to even escape deaths realm after the quest has already been completed tbh. The entire domain seems kinda.... lifeless

Its just the spoon mansion but way more grey

But yeah, having it be in deaths domain is pretty cool. He already likes games

[pale dove]

me neither 😭

[tiny grove]

yeah but I would find 5 people to play wit anwyas :3

[velvet palm]

Haha events over loser

Can’t stop me

Also wtf is 4 stacking farming

[tiny grove]

going into pfinder to farm wit 4 people

[analog bay]

id be down for btb no rewards

[tiny grove]

like a silly billy

[analog bay]

at least another time a year

[tiny grove]

yeah that would be nice

[velvet palm]

Oh yeah I definitely don’t do thst

(Just kidding I definitely do)

Speaking of who wants to farm with me

[whole holly]

Wtf…do they not have enough friends for the 5th or is this just bullying new people lol

Anyways where are the nerds who grinded eyo

Isnt tm like almost always drained of it nowadays

[velvet palm]

It’s hard to constantly find a 5th person

And most of the time they don’t care and want to farm

Especially towards the end of the event

[tiny grove]

womp

towards the end people were still doing cheese mystery too people r silly

[analog bay]

Not bullying new people just bullying in general

[tiny grove]

me

[opal creek]

#1162460754289627228 message

@topaz pollen

so like

[topaz pollen]

i think a crouch cast is too awkward

and doesnt align with other interactions in the game

[opal creek]

I mean it's an option to give both of those interactions

sure it's not ideal but still better than only have access to one of them

[topaz pollen]

and i have said now 3 times i dont like it as a solution

[opal creek]

ok fine

[fervent sorrel]

how about.... rewards are only from pfinder and not when you team up?

But yeah, Id honestly want the rewards to be the spectral tickets or just LE. And then the essence/shards are on top (both pfinder and 5man parties)

[analog bay]

That just stops 5 stacks from farming

Or do you mean solo pfinder
Cause that message was meant to for like “bring BTB back idc if I don’t get rewards”

[analog bay]

Having a spirit that needs to chase people require to crouch is very interruptive

[opal creek]

I know it's not ideal

[analog bay]

It breaks the flow of the role- just like how if spirit also had to pick perks mid game it'd be disruptive

my solution to break a barricade has always been to just offhand the scythe

I run around offhanding my spirit weapons all the time (minecraft habit), and if im breaking blockade im breaking chase anyways

but i get how offhanding is not a good solution for everyone

[fervent sorrel]

Ah, I meant that BtB suffers from being tied to an event and also from being based on the skill of 1 player.

Making it a permanent gamemode would then need to give rewards, but shards dont make sense, so it would need to be either the shitty tickets or LE/raid reward chest.

However if it gave straight up LE, it would be too op to simply farm it with a 5stack, or bullying as a 3-4man party. Therefore it would need to limit the rewards for larger parties, however larger parties are also the most fun.... Its just a shitty situation

[analog bay]

I don't think a returning minigame would require to give a reward- people can and will play it for fun

OBV it cant give event currency if an event isn't active, but it shouldn't give emeralds either

[fervent sorrel]

Nono, returning it is fine. I meant making it permanent

[analog bay]

Permanent still, there isn't much of an argument for it requiring a reward

[fervent sorrel]

I feel like it would have to give one

[analog bay]

Why?

[fervent sorrel]

Everything else in the game gives rewards

[analog bay]

As an incentive?

[fervent sorrel]

No, but more as a way to show the players that they are progressing

[analog bay]

Progressing in what

[fervent sorrel]

The game?

[analog bay]

???

[fervent sorrel]

Take gathering profs. You are aiming for levels, but you also get materials to sell or craft with

[analog bay]

This is a minigame people play for fun

[fervent sorrel]

Crafting profs are also aiming for levels, but you can also craft very useful recipes

[fervent sorrel]

It will doom the gamemode

Trust me on this one. Its why Hypixel gives you those useless coins when you finish a minigame

[analog bay]

It'd make more sense to give a permanent btb a ranked system or leaderboard

[fervent sorrel]

You feel like you did something

[fervent sorrel]

True

[analog bay]

I do NOT feel like I do something besides win the minigame

[fervent sorrel]

Thats just you though. A lot of people did the minigame for the rewards

[analog bay]

That's because of event awards- not just any reward

Those are limited time

[fervent sorrel]

Myself included. I did it for the rewards, but I also found it fun

[analog bay]

FOMO is what causes people to grind out for the mask

[fervent sorrel]

So I continued after getting the rewards I wanted

[analog bay]

What are the possible things BTB could give that wouldn't require dev time?

[fervent sorrel]

I dont want FOMO, I just want rewards so you arent stuck with nothing

[fervent sorrel]

Spectral tickets

[analog bay]

You can't even use those outside of the event

[fervent sorrel]

So? Call them something else and make them useable the entire time

"Haunted tickets", idk

[analog bay]

That would mean a terrifying spike in LE Runes and Powders when the event rolls around next year

[fervent sorrel]

no?

Because you could cash them in whenever you wanted to

[analog bay]

So you want a version that doesn't have any of the event drops?

[fervent sorrel]

Yes

Make some new cool drops with giga low drop chance

Or even tomes

[analog bay]

TOMES?

[fervent sorrel]

Is that so crazy?

All raids give tomes, lootruns give tomes too

Even guild wars technically give tomes

[analog bay]

I would not put fuckin BTB at the level of raids and lootruns

Unless there is an established minigame system

[fervent sorrel]

Why not?

[analog bay]

It should not be done for BTB alone

[fervent sorrel]

Yes, why not?

[analog bay]

The most likely reason that doesnt exist yet is
A) Dev time
B) Minigames are supposed to be "limited" time things, that's what builds excitement for the festival- Festivals have recently been getting a lot more though but it'd remove a lot of the hype the festivals give

[analog bay]

A) BTB is incredibly exploitable farming wise

Idol or not

[fervent sorrel]

Most of the hype around festivals apart from BtB are from cosmetics

Lets be honest, most other minigames lowkey suck. Especially with lag

[analog bay]

Raids are relatively mindnumbing if you've got a good party to run through it, but it's more time consuming and requires being leveld
BTB is accessible to anyone with Detlas

[analog bay]

I would say Bonfire mostly sucks due to its high player count (taking forever to fill), Heroes is a farming sim, and blizzard doesnt exist

Blizzard is a "party minigame system", and we can see how unpopular that one is

[fervent sorrel]

I like the bonfire event.... However the first round is basically irrelevant, getting 10 people takes like 20+ min during the event and with lag its not fun at all.

[fervent sorrel]

So? Just make the rewards scale with level

[whole swift]

10 people is wild

what were they thinking...

[analog bay]

Server can't help with lag tbh

[fervent sorrel]

Idk if its a joke, but yes... I agree

Its too many people for an event thats unplayable 50% of the time. I can just run in a straight line and noone can hit me because everyone have like 2sec of delay

Free win

[whole swift]

i think 6 or so is like the biggest party you can reasonably require

[analog bay]

Map is a bit too huge for a 3v3 though

[fervent sorrel]

Also red team wins like 90% of the time, since you go to the blue team by default

[analog bay]

Don't want to sentance more dev time

[whole swift]

i dont disagree

[fervent sorrel]

Honestly, remove round 1 and more ppl will play

Or make it so the first team to score a single point gets the buff

Or even better, the buffs scale with the point difference: As a catchup mechanic

[analog bay]

I do not have strong feelings about BftB so I can't comment on how to "fix" it

[fervent sorrel]

So if you are 0-4, you get 4 weak buffs

shorter respawn time, faster attack speed, etc

[whole swift]

i do think a 3v3 minigame could probably go hard

[fervent sorrel]

Gathering the logs is just a huge waste of time

[analog bay]

If there isn't a 5th festival please give Blizzard something other than what it has

Back to BTB (since this is a BTB thread):

I'd be happy with a rotating BTB that didn't give any reward

[fervent sorrel]

I'd be happy with a rotating BTB that give any reward

[analog bay]

I'm just happy we wont have a repeat of the cheese fiasco

fuck that

[whole swift]

probably don't have time to make something for this year tbh

[analog bay]

I figured- unreasonable expectation if I thought that
Maybe next year?

3x3 snowball turfwars

[whole swift]

haha that'd be fun

[tiny grove]

quakecraft :3

2023 thread closed no more sillyness

btb prob won't be added as a perm gamemode regardless of it giving rewards or not(it really shouldn't give anything if added)
it would only be played by people who actually wanna play thr game since the fomo part of grinding it for mask would be removed
but one can hope :3

[topaz pollen]

we're never going to make btb permanent

[tiny grove]

yeah but

what if you did 🥺

I would pay one le per btb game

[whole swift]

biggest le sink in the game

[inland hornet]

maybe add a trinket that lets you use 10stx to start a btb game

for sure

[tiny grove]

new le sink

!

[inland hornet]

let that sink in!

[whole swift]

https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-elon-musk-twitter-sink-gif-26995403

[inland hornet]

wait even better

a btb bomb

use it to start a btb game

costs 50 dollars

[tiny grove]

🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

[inland hornet]

buyable for 50 shares

or something

[whole swift]

bribe a moderator $500 to go on your world and run the command

[inland hornet]

X has been killed by payload

[tiny grove]

shrimply go off Map and go to btb

[inland hornet]

mods ban this guy

hes exploring the unfinished 3rd btb map

[viscid island]

add btb round to silverbull shop

[peak dock]

bring back btb as soon as perm minigame and give it the dr legendary head treatment

[fervent sorrel]

true, that could be an option

[analog bay]

I will do this

[hollow hearth]

🤨

[tiny grove]

3 days without banish the beyond... I have fever dreams about dropping pallets on rats.... stunning a stalker right before a pounce.... eating rocks and destroying ear drums.... the rot consumes... haha pfinder please heal me as I spam left click on my spiritual stabilizer spamming my chat macro to give directions of healing (I made it last year), getting jump fatigue while injured on one hp what you think this is a joke I'm tweaking vro btb is my beloved I love banishing my beyond who up banishing they beyond right now ! 😜 🫨😵🫃

[pale dove]

3 days without banish the beyond... I have fever dreams about dropping pallets on rats.... stunning a stalker right before a pounce.... eating rocks and destroying ear drums.... the rot consumes... haha pfinder please heal me as I spam left click on my spiritual stabilizer spamming my chat macro to give directions of healing (I made it last year), getting jump fatigue while injured on one hp what you think this is a joke I'm tweaking vro btb is my beloved I love banishing my beyond who up banishing they beyond right now ! 😜 🫨😵🫃

[tiny grove]

3 days without banish the beyond... I have fever dreams about dropping pallets on rats.... stunning a stalker right before a pounce.... eating rocks and destroying ear drums.... the rot consumes... haha 'pfinder please heal me 'as I spam left click on my spiritual stabilizer spamming my chat macro to give directions of healing (I made it last year) you think this is a joke a joke is getting jump fatigue while injured on one hp what you think this is a joke I'm tweaking vro btb is my beloved I love banishing my beyond who up banishing they beyond right now ! 😜 🫨😵🫃

[peak dock]

3 days without banish the beyond... I have fever dreams about dropping pallets on rats.... stunning a stalker right before a pounce.... eating rocks and destroying ear drums.... the rot consumes... haha 'pfinder please heal me 'as I spam left click on my spiritual stabilizer spamming my chat macro to give directions of healing (I made it last year) you think this is a joke a joke is getting jump fatigue while injured on one hp what you think this is a joke I'm tweaking vro btb is my beloved I love banishing my beyond who up banishing they beyond right now ! 😜 🫨😵🫃

[analog bay]

3 days without banish the beyond... I have fever dreams about dropping pallets on rats.... stunning a stalker right before a pounce.... eating rocks and destroying ear drums.... the rot consumes... haha 'pfinder please heal me 'as I spam left click on my spiritual stabilizer spamming my chat macro to give directions of healing (I made it last year) you think this is a joke a joke is getting jump fatigue while injured on one hp what you think this is a joke I'm tweaking vro btb is my beloved I love banishing my beyond who up banishing they beyond right now ! 😜 🫨😵🫃

[frigid relic]

OH GOOD GAME

[fervent sorrel]

Not even as a weekend event? A lot of wynncraft players like BtB way more than regular wynn content, so its a shame that its gone for a full year

[inland hornet]

Eh makes it better when it is here

[analog bay]

I survived the year break once I can survive it again

[tiny grove]

4 days without banish the beyond its seeping into the 'real world' I just saw someone wearing full black staring at me at a restaurant I scream 'It's the stalker' everyone looks at me with a puzzled look but I stay locked in and stare directly at the stalker before they can pounce but they didn't get stunned fix your game CT I love jump fatigue this 5% speed spirit smuggled wynnter cookies almost caught up to me I tell the stalker to get the injured player but they tunnel onto me instead of tapping the old lady I try jumping off from the 2nd floor of the 'restaurant' (its not a game anymore 😰 )to procc balanced landing while spamming my semi colon 3 macro and now im in a white room with scary women all around me I fear the executioner will come for me....

[inland hornet]

That reminds me it wouldve been ideal to get a stalker reaction gif

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/554984861748822016/1117098595854848172/AutoMemes.gif

[tiny grove]

true

[inland hornet]

this'll do for now

Hop on later and help me get the reaction gif

[tiny grove]

eeal

real

e can just get the stalker skin

[inland hornet]

sit at crypt and I'll like peek at you from bridge

tbh cross mapping with stalker is imo more fun than crossmapping with keeper

there's this crazy angle you can get from west to hedge by peeking through like a staircase

[tiny grove]

what 💀☠️💀☠️💀☠️

what js thst doing for u anyways

[inland hornet]

Giving the survivor a heart attack

well you can also crossmap with keeper from there but it's way funnier to crossmap stalk

[tiny grove]

I don't think keeper can shoot thru 1/4 block gaps

[fervent sorrel]

I tried multiple times, but it should be able to shoot thought 1/2 block gaps

[inland hornet]

It's more like the combo of two stairs

One regular oriented

one facing downwards

[fervent sorrel]

I dont think 2 stairs works

[inland hornet]

its 2 stairs and open space

It's hard to describe

I'll show you next year

I think it didn't work last year tho cause way smaller range

[fervent sorrel]

it needs a real half block to shoot through. Same with fences unfortunately. If its connected, you cant shoot through

[inland hornet]

got quadrupled this year I think?

[fervent sorrel]

the arrow range?

[inland hornet]

Yeah

32-128 I think

[tiny grove]

oh ik what u mena

[inland hornet]

it's like the builds with 4 stairs to make a 1x1

except remove half of it

[tiny grove]

I can check the range when k get home

[fervent sorrel]

So you are telling me you can stand on a high place and just shoot down at people? Bruh thats op

[tiny grove]

I may or may not have the spirit items in my bank!

I mean most of the map is enclosed anywas buh

[inland hornet]

Barriers:

also the west to hedge thing is circumstantial

[fervent sorrel]

But then again, I never get forest/graveyard with the archer spirit... Only bunker

[inland hornet]

Just check map first

Then pick

[fervent sorrel]

I didnt know about the fence check thing

[inland hornet]

theres also coordinates

[fervent sorrel]

And a lot of the time its a 50/50

[fervent sorrel]

Im lazy, and archer is instapick anyway

Trading a bow for -5% movement speed is worth it

[inland hornet]

keeper as good as it is, is hard to match up against sweats

they juke too well for me to land my shots reliably

[fervent sorrel]

skill issue

[inland hornet]

I'm aware

Well on bunker at least

Woods I do just fine

[fervent sorrel]

On bunker its genuinely hard though

[inland hornet]

archer vs enclosed space

[fervent sorrel]

I miss maybe 50-60% of my shots on bunker

After all, I gotta shoot once they pass a corner due to movement speed debuff

[inland hornet]

I think maybe an aco spirit could be cool tho

[fervent sorrel]

even if I know its a miss

[inland hornet]

like dbb has a similar spirit

Talking bout blood connection

so drop the totem

Go off and do smth

And tp back to totem

so like rat

[fervent sorrel]

Thats just reaper... kinda?

dropping a totem that damages people when they go close

[inland hornet]

nah totem doesn't damage

[fervent sorrel]

oh

[inland hornet]

Only serves as a tp point

but it can be damaged with no indication given to you

so no alert like rat

[fervent sorrel]

Honestly Id probably play that over rat. I hate how slow rat is with the buggy af burrows

If I could tp back in 1 click, that would be so much easier

[inland hornet]

Yeah so it's a fusion of rat and terror

[fervent sorrel]

ye

[inland hornet]

maybe make the spirit hella slow when carrying totem

so 5% speed with totem

and 15% without

[fervent sorrel]

Idk if its just me that had this issue.... But I really hate using burrows with rat towards the last 2 weeks

Took me like 7sec on avg to tp

And half of the time I couldnt even tp to the burrow I wanted to

[inland hornet]

Yeah I tried it for first time on last weekend and I felt like nothing registered

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah half of them were out of range

[inland hornet]

does range matter if you point at it

[fervent sorrel]

Yes

[inland hornet]

dang

[topaz pollen]

i am not ENTIRELY opposed to this but it is not as easy as just hitting the "open up btb button"

so i wouldnt get your hopes up

[inland hornet]

hold up is there a possibility

[fervent sorrel]

It should be teleporting the burrows closer on your visual

[fervent sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-lloyd-theres-a-chance-jim-carrey-gif-11098164

[inland hornet]

how about only let btb happen when Annie timer is under 1 hour

genius ik

[fervent sorrel]

But somehow it felt like the burrows stopped teleporting closer in the last 2 weeks ish. So the max tp distance was around 30 blocks

aka only useful in bunker

But considering it worked fine before, Im assuming it will get fixed until next time

[inland hornet]

Surely our goated cts can find a jump fatigue fix at the same time

[fervent sorrel]

Thats a more difficult issue

[topaz pollen]

there shouldnt be a max range on how far rat can travel

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah, the burrows are teleported closer to the player so they are always in range... But that was bugged for weeks

[topaz pollen]

?

honestly, doesnt matter

i think we plan on fully reworking rat eventually anyway

[tiny grove]

real

[fervent sorrel]

At least that is what I was told. If you are on the opposite side of the map, the burrow is out of range. So it is "teleported" closer (visual only), and then you still end up where the burrow actually is

[topaz pollen]

thats correct

whats the issue

[whole swift]

rat is being given an orbital laser next year right lex

[topaz pollen]

yeah

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah, but that teleport didnt work. So some burrows were literally impossible to access

Because they were out of range

[topaz pollen]

ok so visually they werent being moved correctly

the tp would have still worked if you aimed at the right spot

[fervent sorrel]

Probably true, but then the burrow was so tiny that it was giga hard to hit

So personally I failed to access a ton of burrows after that bug happened

While I had no issues when I was less experienced with rat when the bug wasnt there

New rat ability: Eat cheese for movement speed boost

Idk, the movement speed was the only reason for playing rat with how inconsistent the burrows were

[tiny grove]

rework: ability to summon rats that chase and stun/slow nearby players but slows you down or mabye speeds u up while they r gone
SUPWR silly never let me cook
sent this in another server

rat army!

idk

[inland hornet]

Actually smth similar in dbd

summons lil zombies round the map

[fervent sorrel]

I also dont really mind burrows being added permanently to the game. There are already a couple cool tunnels in bunker, but none in woods. Imo it would make a lot of sense to have a north <-> south tunnel

[inland hornet]

the move slow as shit but can damage

[fervent sorrel]

Why not @tiny grove ?

Idk, maybe it would just help the spirit too much?

[tiny grove]

would make patrolling 3 gens p easy

the tunnel on bunker works cjz it's one way and kind of out of the way

[fervent sorrel]

Possibly. Idk, I dont personally think the spirit is too strong

But then again, basically all spirits have gotten nerfed, so I might be in the minority on this one

[analog bay]

ew old map

do not give the rat perma fast travel

important to note that the one on bunker is not two way

for a reason

[inland hornet]

Actually why do we have a fast travel

It feels like rat tunnels and deathtrap are fairly close to each other

any reason it can't just be like an actual tunnel

(also I think it would be a lot funnier without the fast travel)

[tiny grove]

its so monkeykappa can place a burrow there and be veyr mean

also hides the spirit heartbeat a little bit if a survivor runs away into the tunnel + going up into rat tunnels to go to deathtrap means u can jumpscare people at deathtrap at the cost of not checking cellar/window/factory on the way there i suppose

idk

[fervent sorrel]

Honestly, I like it being a teleport. It makes it so it requires skill to properly walk through

There is a 2sec ish black screen while you are walking though it, you can actually use that time to walk down the stairs

You gotta do it blind, but it is very possible

and saves you basically 2sec or more vs 90% of spirits

Imo its probably the most skill intensive thing in BtB, except running in circles around the spirit. Locker cheese is also up there

[tiny grove]

whah

running in circles is also not very

skill intensive

[inland hornet]

the icoer

[analog bay]

Me when I copy monkey and play uber aggressive rat

[tiny grove]

that is just gambling bc of the new hurtboxes being sillier and smaller

[inland hornet]

the most skill intensive thing is figuring out how to perfectly move to never get jump fatigue

[tiny grove]

didnt know u could walk while blinded tho but that sounds funny

[inland hornet]

its very annoying as spirit

[analog bay]

What

[analog bay]

Challenge: path through kitchen without getting jump fatigue

[inland hornet]

difficulty impossible

[peak dock]

Impossible

i think that we should have a spirit for acrobat

trust

[fervent sorrel]

Its pretty skill intensive to not get hit. I didnt meant literally run in a circle. I meant dodging around a spirit to charge up heals and farm points

[peak dock]

flying spirit

[inland hornet]

how is that in any way comparable to taking deathtrap rat tunnels fast travel

[fervent sorrel]

Test it next time. You are able to walk while being teleported even though your screen is black. You can use that to walk down the stairs

[peak dock]

spirit gotta execute the entire fly cycle to kill survivors

[fervent sorrel]

Because you have 0 vision without mods?

[analog bay]

Okay what’s the point in doing that 😭

[inland hornet]

'What' in this case I believe was referring to the stupidity of the statement that rat tunnels fast travelr equires skill

[fervent sorrel]

it saves time?

[inland hornet]

and?

if you have ears it does not matter

[fervent sorrel]

it requires muscle memory

[inland hornet]

if you hear ladder go left

[analog bay]

??? Where what 😭

[inland hornet]

if you dont go right

[fervent sorrel]

deathtrap

[inland hornet]

always go right by default

that is it

there is no skill needed

it is an audio check

[fervent sorrel]

you mean left?

[analog bay]

Oh your talking about the fast travel

[fervent sorrel]

Yes

[inland hornet]

no

always go right

[fervent sorrel]

Most people use the stairs in my experience

[inland hornet]

because rarely are survivors going to be taking the ladder when spirit is right behind them

[tiny grove]

yes i will try in a year

[analog bay]

It’s not very skill intensive- I just swerve right turn 180 and it’s ladder

[inland hornet]

THATS RIGHT

[tiny grove]

if i remember

[inland hornet]

LEFT IS THE LADDER

[fervent sorrel]

yes

[inland hornet]

therefore always go right

unless you hear ladder

[peak dock]

i sometimes do a funny where you stand on the ladder

[inland hornet]

which no one will do 99% of the time

[analog bay]

Whether or not I take ladder or stairs is dependant on situation- obviously take stairs if spirits on you 😭

[tiny grove]

i dont think its rlly skill intensive its just pathing while blind

[fervent sorrel]

True, but its still a skillcheck where you can gain time against a spirit

[peak dock]

and drop down when the spirit teleports up

[analog bay]

But I wouldn’t call it “skill intensive” to hit a ladder

[inland hornet]

kid named /lootrun record deathtrap

[fervent sorrel]

Depends how fast you do it. If you do it optimally you have 0 vision at all

[analog bay]

It’s really not but if guess against a skill issue spirit

[tiny grove]

lmaoo

[inland hornet]

you lose at max like 2 seconds

and there is a 0% chance the survivor gets away unless they have balanced landing

in which case they already would have gotten away

[analog bay]

You are better off taking a different loop if spirits on you

If you move wrong you get jump fatigue

[inland hornet]

like imo if spirit is chasing you in rat tunnels

[analog bay]

I like to go literally anywhere else

[inland hornet]

you can probably just take a drop down

yeah

[tiny grove]

yeah

[analog bay]

It’s better to because bringing heartbeat near center causes other people to possibly lose well time

[tiny grove]

i usually dont take rat tunnels bc i want to stay to power a well usually

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah

[analog bay]

I would say there are many other things more “skill intensive” than learning how to navigate without vision

[inland hornet]

2 seconds which mean nothing because you would have still caught the survivor

[fervent sorrel]

no? 2sec is huge

[inland hornet]

there is one way to go

it is a straight line

[analog bay]

It’s not in death trap…

[inland hornet]

you will catch the survivor

it is called death trap for a reason

[analog bay]

I’ve never had someone outrun me at that ladder

[fervent sorrel]

Against terror with only 5% movement speed buff, those 2sec are gonna give you another 10sec

[analog bay]

Ok but a good terror will never be found in the fucking rat tunnels

[fervent sorrel]

And I have never failed to outrun someone at that ladder

[inland hornet]

the pfinder main:

[analog bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1162564880583381133/1301423238840061952/watermark.gif

[fervent sorrel]

and?

Pfinder is fun

[tiny grove]

a good terror can jut put a snare at the teleport anyways :3

[inland hornet]

and not good

its like saying i can consistently score top damage with my raid build when i only pfind notg

[tiny grove]

u will stomp silly pfinder spirit anyways :3

[analog bay]

There are way better moves to make when a surv goes into tunnels as pz- and it is never to chase

So like

Yeah they’re just gonna put a snare down

[tiny grove]

2 secodnds will not help in a hallway against a smart spirit fr

[inland hornet]

also yeah if the survivor is constantly running from you towards rat tunnels

[analog bay]

Frfr

[inland hornet]

just drop snares at the top

[fervent sorrel]

Did I say I were good? I just said that I have never died on those stairs when walking out of the tunnel

Because I gain time on the ladder

[analog bay]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1174916886245429268/1294887386307629156/ezgif-7-5d90e7e905.gif?=&width=1151&height=671

[inland hornet]

wait are you actually taking the ladder

what the

[analog bay]

Yeah they take ladder

[inland hornet]

...

[thick stump]

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[inland hornet]

opinion invalidated

[tiny grove]

takin ladder without sprint trail prob works tbH

[fervent sorrel]

You are gonna need those 2sec if you are gonna use the ladder

Because if you get hit while using the ladder, it cancels

[analog bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1069278642879860827/1238859757255921835/IMG_0921.gif

[inland hornet]

the ladder sounds that can be heard from 20 feet away:

[tiny grove]

but positioning yourself while blind is prob too much effort to be worth

[tiny grove]

not like right clkcing to go down

goign down normally while blinded(impsosible challenge )

[fervent sorrel]

ah, I normally right click

[peak dock]

I played against a wanderer spirit in pfinder who like

didnt miss

like ever

[inland hornet]

.............

he isnt even doing the skillful strat

[fervent sorrel]

its faster

[inland hornet]

if you could go down right clickless that'd be impressive sure

but

[analog bay]

I think my main gripe is learning how to turn left while blind (it’s literally just a turn there is no need to go anywhere) is not skill intensive

[tiny grove]

💀

[inland hornet]

but you alert like the entire server to your presence at the ladder

[fervent sorrel]

yeah? And then you can camp the bottom of the ladder and go back up

[tiny grove]

mabye if you have a big head start vs the spirit u could right clcik but eh

[inland hornet]

if the spirit cant hear you right clicking to desend the ladder

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah

[inland hornet]

they werent something to worry about in the first place

[tiny grove]

atp u coulda done wahtever

[analog bay]

This man has never been caught ladder juking and it shows

[tiny grove]

and been fine

[inland hornet]

yeah at that rate you could have just fake sprint trailed to the deathtrap locker

[fervent sorrel]

I have been caught, ladder juking is extremely risky against good spirits

[inland hornet]

and left through zoop

which has a signifcantly higher chance of working if you've suprise striked the spirit earlier

[analog bay]

I think it’s harder to do this blind than take the ladder

[analog bay]

Sstrike my beloved

[fervent sorrel]

also the locker isnt guaranteed afaik

Might as well just continue running for the drop down at the lilypad

[inland hornet]

what

what lilypad

[analog bay]

Yeah that’s actually the better option than taking the tp to the ladder area

So

[inland hornet]

oh that

eh i usually prefer the other drop down since its closer to cellar

[fervent sorrel]

true

[inland hornet]

if balanced landing sewer is better tho yeah

[tiny grove]

balancd landing my beloved

[inland hornet]

balanced landing with good well spawns might be the best perk in the game

[analog bay]

For looping yeah since u can easily bait back to the tunnels or anywhere else

[fervent sorrel]

if not for jump fatigue, it would be my 2nd favorite ability

[inland hornet]

beating concorde

[tiny grove]

even in woods its not as bad as i thought

[inland hornet]

(only for that well tho)

balanced landing is actually pretty easy to proc

[tiny grove]

like u can power pit/locker/crypt easily wit it

[fervent sorrel]

depends a lot on the well spawns

[inland hornet]

you can 1) jump down stairs to proc it

[tiny grove]

and u can procc it on the stairs in bridge

[inland hornet]

or at crypt walk off a slab and proc it

[tiny grove]

(albiet its kinda hard to do)

[inland hornet]

like the slabs that are to the left and right of the stairs

same with bridge yeah

its pretty nice in church tho

[fervent sorrel]

Its pretty nice yeah, but its still struggling with jump fatigue

[inland hornet]

if you can last long enough to not get hit while in jump fatigue

[fervent sorrel]

Like 30% of the time I drop down, I get jump fatigue. And that negates most of the speed

[inland hornet]

its better than not having speed

[tiny grove]

i thikn u still go faster

• no sprintt rail funni

[fervent sorrel]

but then again, the spirit also gets jump fatigue 30% of the time, and in those cases you will go a lot faster

[tiny grove]

off crypt's jupmoff i dont get jamp fatigue most the time

its mostly off bridge's slabs or carpets

[analog bay]

It’s a benefit that can be had over spirit- of ya both jump and both get jump fatigue, you actually get away with balanced landing

Though I see myself taking it negative times on woods compared to bunker- but that’s a play style difference

[inland hornet]

woods i take it almost all the time

[fervent sorrel]

Weird, I actually prefer it more on woods than bunker

[inland hornet]

unless suprise strike was an option

[tiny grove]

on woods its a lot more forced

[analog bay]

REAL

[tiny grove]

like uh ave to stay around crypt/bridge to use it well

[inland hornet]

church is so absurdly funny with suprise strike

[tiny grove]

but on bunker it relies on well spawns more

[inland hornet]

if one person has it then the well is guarenteed

[analog bay]

I like to play more stealth so I find the long trail and the sound more of a detriment

[inland hornet]

also zoop is really funny with surpise strike ofc

[analog bay]

Best part is when spirit gets paranoid and checks every locker

[inland hornet]

but church i feel has it better

[fervent sorrel]

On woods I generally run in circles ending up at crypt.

Meanwhile on bunker I mostly use it to get the deathtrap or vines well.... Its harder to walk up a floor just to escape

[inland hornet]

i think it was like in the last weekend

when we were bruteforcing upper well

with spirit up there

[tiny grove]

SILLy

i want btb back i want to abuse silly stuff

[inland hornet]

i lockered in lower church

[tiny grove]

and drop wood

[fervent sorrel]

If the spirit is good, they generally give up chasing when you go up a floor anyway, since they wanna protect their 4stack

[tiny grove]

:3

[inland hornet]

and i heard em start checking all second floor wells

[tiny grove]

yeah but we do a little pfinder trolling

[analog bay]

Oh god I remember a few times this has happened

It’s a beautiful sound to hear

[inland hornet]

also that one locker set that no one ever takes

the one directly facing west

that stun was amazing

[analog bay]

I might have a clip that has 3 consecutive locker stuns in it

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah the place with like 6 lockers

[analog bay]

Kitchen lockersssss

[inland hornet]

the triple stun gaming

[fervent sorrel]

idk, there arent enough wells in that area to give enough of a reason for those lockers to exist there imo

[inland hornet]

kitchen?

[tiny grove]

with arolf right 💀

[inland hornet]

or church

church is the middle of the map

[tiny grove]

we spawned out of nowhere 💀

[analog bay]

There used to be bottom floor church but that got removed early last year

[tiny grove]

istg i saw two peole come out of one locker

[analog bay]

Yeah

[inland hornet]

tbh most of those lockers i feel exist soley for suprise strike

[analog bay]

Probably because the mushroom church church three gen being gross

[inland hornet]

(how do you spell soley ik its not like that)

[analog bay]

Solely

[inland hornet]

that still looks goofy as hell lmao

[analog bay]

It does

[fervent sorrel]

Imo there should be another well located at the red o, because the lockers at the green o are straight up useless 90% of the time

[tiny grove]

they are very funny for locker juking

esp last year when there was no locker enter animation

[fervent sorrel]

They are, but a spirit will never go there

[inland hornet]

no that locker set is amazing

ive landed at least a dozen stuns there

[fervent sorrel]

But the spirit normally avoids that area

[inland hornet]

and?

force them

[tiny grove]

i should take suprise strike more but i am just scared of losing the gamble of the spirit checking my locker

[inland hornet]

either you get away unscathed/get to heal

or they get stunned

[analog bay]

Ew old map

[inland hornet]

or they waste 3 minutes

[fervent sorrel]

There is no gamble lol, just exit it way faster than you think

[inland hornet]

its a win win

[fervent sorrel]

There is a 5 block range, you should always win

[inland hornet]

its a huge hitbox

whats a good comparison hmm

guardian angels range?

no too large

[fervent sorrel]

Bash range

[inland hornet]

bash is huge

[fervent sorrel]

yes

[inland hornet]

like it can go up to i think like

13 blocks?

something absurd?

[fervent sorrel]

.... I didnt mean with aspects

[inland hornet]

neither did I

[fervent sorrel]

Its not 13 blocks without aspects

[inland hornet]

theres a corrupted perk that increases bash aoe for hp lost

[fervent sorrel]

Why tf would I mean that

[heavy quest]

massive bash.
it makes your bash massive.

how enlightening

[analog bay]

I don’t think a well should be there because then that’s 12 possible spawns on bunker, and it’s right next to the gate— it makes it so u can get all wells near the east side and then ur fucked

[inland hornet]

because bmonk is dead

also that well is directly facing stairs

and fairly low risk

[fervent sorrel]

But that part of the map never sees play. If a well spawns in the north part, the spirit just avoids it

[inland hornet]

maybe for you it doesnt

[fervent sorrel]

If another well was placed close, the spirit would need to actually guard it

[inland hornet]

most of the time its a very good spot to run if injured

[analog bay]

You need parts in the map like that in order for there to be safe spaces to loop without disturbing other wells

[inland hornet]

well camper spotted?

[tiny grove]

yeah brazil is really good to troll the spirit

and to get heals

[analog bay]

Woods is okay since the well placements usually create the blank spots

[inland hornet]

yeah brazil has like nothing there except hell awaiting spirits

[fervent sorrel]

I like it for balanced landing

[tiny grove]

unless spirit is hard tunneling but even then u can do some jukes

[analog bay]

But because of how tight bunker is it needs the space

I’d argue that having a possible well there is really bad because it makes the map even more east heavy

[inland hornet]

most of the time i like it to drop the pallet just south of the triple lockers and then hopping in

like what are they gonna do

they aint making it in time to prevent sstrike

[tiny grove]

[inland hornet]

stalker in bunker tho is really funny

both to play as and against

stalker once again being goated

[tiny grove]

yeah

i love playing against stalker and as stalker

[analog bay]

Krolton my beloved

[inland hornet]

remember that one time i pounced you midair peach

and you pallet stunned me

[tiny grove]

:3

[analog bay]

HAHA

[inland hornet]

like it was cubby ish

[analog bay]

Yeah

The double stun

[inland hornet]

and then i got stalker stunned

[tiny grove]

:3

[analog bay]

That was beautiful

[inland hornet]

on the note of stalker

the actual stalk ability is kinda really bad

its good early game

but once survivors learn how you play its over

you only hunt to like corner pounce or insta pounce

never to actually stalk

unless its woods and you're crossmapping

[tiny grove]

yeah u never get vuln off it feels lke

unless the survivor is very locked out

[inland hornet]

and even if you do you never get to capitalize on it

cause only way you land it is by being miles away

[tiny grove]

u just do funny pounces vs good survivors

[inland hornet]

the ones i like the best are staredowns where I then insta pounce

funny one is at graveyard

sit just outside at west exit

insta pounce

[analog bay]

I find myself never getting stalk on wells

People are actually a bit less aware when they heal

[tiny grove]

yeahhhh

that is me

[inland hornet]

and in the case of healing you dont need to stalk in the first place

[tiny grove]

i remember healing someoen outside a gate when tey were 1hp injured

and then we got pounced on 🔥

[inland hornet]

one thing I would like tho

massively increase the range of pounce

[tiny grove]

build in the jumping pounce

[inland hornet]

i wanna be able to pounce on someone at mushroom from the hedge corner structure

"oh hey is that the stalker"

https://tenor.com/view/deepfriedwoomy-gif-20893284

[worthy island]

funny but too op

the bug shows this

[inland hornet]

yeah

actually maybe a spirit like scp 163

i think its 163?

whatever peanut is

[tiny grove]

warh

[inland hornet]

can only move every x seconds

[tiny grove]

i dont play lethal company

💀

that sounds very silly

[inland hornet]

so like every 3 seconds

they can move within like 20 blocks or smth

well not 20

but smth like that

[tiny grove]

yeah i smel what u pciking up

would invaldiate blockades i feel

[inland hornet]

can only do damage on contact

well the downside it has is massive

if you get to an intersection

its kinda over for the spirit

esp if they didnt have los of the intersection

[tiny grove]

yeah

[inland hornet]

actually idea for next year

host an event where people get to vote on the best custom spirit

and idea gets considered for the next year

[tiny grove]

this idea might be to ocomplaicted but mabye every 3 seconds u leave a player stand thingy at where u currently are and get high ws for 3 seconds and can choose where to travl with wanderer trail particles on u
then after 3 seconds u get frozen and choose to tp to where u currenty are or go back to where u started at the first 3 seconds

and then cycle repeats or smth idk buh 💀

idk how atacking would work might be to osilly

[inland hornet]

i mean do you know aotv from hypickle shitblock

[tiny grove]

like u can attack right after u tp to wher eu currently are ig

yeah

[inland hornet]

as much as I dont like the game aotv is really well designed

[tiny grove]

its just more tp range aote

[inland hornet]

yeah

[tiny grove]

but u spend moneu on tp

[inland hornet]

except only once per 3s

well

no you can shift and aim

and itll register like the exact block

like up to either 48 or 72 blocks away

[tiny grove]

oh i thought that was a mod doign that for hsb

souds very silly

that would be yo only movement if u chose that as spirit ?????

or would u like change mdoes from normal wnadering to tping

[inland hornet]

Only movement

[tiny grove]

lol

[inland hornet]

The scp's gimmick in the games it's in is usually like

Everyone on server blinks at the same time

since the SCP can't move if it's being watched

but that would be a bit annoying to implement

And then it would just be stalker with 50k ping

[wicked frost]

They really banished the beyond 😔

[jade bone]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-atla-iroh-uncle-iroh-its-so-peak-gif-2764984715376821932

[tiny grove]

5 days without btb :3

[velvet parcel]

5 days without banish the beyond... I have fever dreams about dropping pallets on rats.... stunning a stalker right before a pounce... haha pfinder, please heal me 'as I spam left click on my spiritual stabilizer spamming my custom chat macro that I made last year to give directions of healing. You think this is a joke? A joke is getting jump fatigue while injured on one hp! WHAT? You think this is a joke? I'm tweaking bro, BTB is my beloved!!! I LOVE BANISHING MY BEYOND! WHOSE UP FOR BANISHING THEIR BEYOND RIGHT NOW? HAHAHA

[whole swift]

you guys need to seek help

[tiny grove]

me