Official Banish the Beyond Feedback Thread

[fervent sorrel]

The reason why I charged over 400% wells wasnt because I was farming it on purpose. It was because the wells were close together so I wasnt able to get the last one to 100% before it timed out

[topaz pollen]

yeah i could consider raising the cap for well points

but the rest are fine, imo

[tiny grove]

like 7 essence per game is fine tho imo

[fervent sorrel]

Essence per game rn is strong

U get items that were previously going for 2-8stx in like 2-3 games...

Imo its too strong

But I know ppl are gonna disagree with that

[tiny grove]

essence per game is gunna be high in pfindr where u r noob stomping for noew

[fervent sorrel]

But what do you think about either giving a visual queue, or a clocklike noise when it ticks down to 5sec in the locker?

Because its not just me that gets annoyed at narnia and the surpirse buff not going off when its not on cooldown

[topaz pollen]

maybe

[fervent sorrel]

terror attack range might be fine. The issue is just that its so slow that people outrun the cone of attack +5% is very cursed imo

[tiny grove]

me when I pick terror and don't use it's snares

[fervent sorrel]

To be fair the snares were pretty bugged, and I doubt that a lot of people read that they changed the weapon to enter a snare with

[tiny grove]

snares were bugged in an op way nit in a bad way

the hot key change is a buff but will just take like one game to get used to

[fervent sorrel]

I liked having it on the other weapon though, since I often break obstacles with my mainhand. And then suddenly a snare is triggered and Im on the other side of the map

But technically its still a buff even in 90% of cases where that situation happens, since I just need to attack for a free hit

15% walkspeed is kinda crazy though. I have pretty good success on the bugged spirit just from being able to outrun everyone even though it literally has 0 other upside before the bugfix is out on all servers

Ngl if a spirit with 0 abilities had 20% walkspeed, Id probably pick that a decent amount of times

[topaz pollen]

wanderer is as close to that as youre rly gonna get tbh

[fervent sorrel]

Taken, vermin and executioner are

Wanderer is only 10% walkspeed.

[topaz pollen]

cloak gives an incredible speed boost

its like 60%

[fervent sorrel]

Right now wanderer is pretty amazing due to the 0 sound bug, but 60% out of combat walkspeed is pretty useless when people can just look on the floor

Disabling heartbeat is very strong though

[topaz pollen]

itll be low sound when its fixed, you can move in a way to avoid getting spotted

[tiny grove]

it's good for patrolling far away wells and u can prog just unvanish behind a corner

[topaz pollen]

^

[fervent sorrel]

or just directly behind someone sprinting and it looks like its their steps and not yours

[topaz pollen]

but what i mean is wanderer is the closest youll get to just "fast spirit"

[tiny grove]

I mean the particles r dif color so it'll just fool silly pfinder players u coulda killed anyways

[fervent sorrel]

No I meant straight up I can chase someone for like 10sec and catch up

[fervent sorrel]

Really? Its the same color for me

Its black, no?

[tiny grove]

they r Grey smoke particles

trail is black

[fervent sorrel]

grey, black, same same

its a very dark grey

[tiny grove]

also unless I'm gaslightijg myself they float a bit too

[fervent sorrel]

They might, but I personally dont notice the difference

I just look on the floor from something black coming towards me when there werent someone sprinting

[glossy mist]

damn it was finally feeling good lol

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah honestly it was pretty terrible before that

How about shortening the time you need to attack again by like 0.5sec or so?

[glossy mist]

i think as long as the sound is quiet enough to not play when ur behind a corner its ok

[tiny grove]

there's stil uncloakij particles right

I never really notice those cuz most of the time I'm running away type shi

[fervent sorrel]

My issue with it was that before the silent bug, its just straight up easy to run away when you heard it

And you couldnt get hit due to the spirit having -50% walkspeed or so while exiting the invis

There should obviously be counterplay, but it was a bit too easy to just run away. Even if the spirit stood at a strategic location so the player runs into them.... I still felt like the spirit missed so many attacks lol

But then again, I only did 2 games as the wanderer, so I could be wrong

[tiny grove]

I'll try a wanderer game when it gets fixed

haven't played him since btb s first release last year but we will see

[topaz pollen]

nope

[tiny grove]

I'm going to eat the fool eater

was there ever uncloak particles

[glossy mist]

yeah

[topaz pollen]

they were a little too obvious

[fervent sorrel]

Points of Failure, Common Knowledge, In My Stride, Ironwood Blockade, Countermeasures, Rallying Cry, Schadenfreude, Deception Veil, Self Sacrifice, Healing Streak, All or Nothing, Absolute Focus, Exposé and Soft Handed all feel too weak imo.

Perks that heal you for x% are pretty terrible unless you get multiple of them at once. And the rest just have too punishing downsides or no upside at all. If blockades, lockers, and Spirit Wells that were just recently interacted with lighted up in for example yellow or red instead of white, I think it would significantly make the perks that lit up things a lot stronger and more interesting to pick

[tiny grove]

buh

[glossy mist]

IRONWOOD BLOCKADE TOO WEAK?

[tiny grove]

no way he said points of failure is bad

[glossy mist]

POINTS OF FAILURE TOO WEAK??

[topaz pollen]

the regular smoke trail is visible still while uncloaking

[glossy mist]

aint no way..

[tiny grove]

RALLYING CRY

[topaz pollen]

rallying cry???

[tiny grove]

ain't no way

[glossy mist]

HEALING STREAK????????????????????

[topaz pollen]

is this deception veil old version or new

[glossy mist]

im not reading this dude sorry

[tiny grove]

HEALING STREAK

nahhhh

this can't be real

deception well is good for like

[fervent sorrel]

It got buffed recently?

[tiny grove]

two to three wells now imo

mabye 4

it's funny enugh

[glossy mist]

deception veil is like barely usable but its usable sometimes

[fervent sorrel]

Still kinda weak imo. I already know where the wells are, so its not really helping me much

[tiny grove]

%healing perks r p good alone and even better with bandage

points of failure is nice in pfinder for information

and to somewhat prevent 3 gen

[glossy mist]

mfw soft handed + full healing streak bandage is literally faster than other players healing you

[crisp yoke]

i think lone soldier should be nerfed

[tiny grove]

true

[glossy mist]

eeeehhhh

[crisp yoke]

source: i have used it twice and died both times

[tiny grove]

soft handed and healing streak didn't work for me :3

[glossy mist]

i think lone is fine as is

[tiny grove]

with banadga j mean

lone should be removed as first option....

jk unles...

[glossy mist]

o then ig i was just imagining things from having full heal streak

cuz it defo works w streak

[tiny grove]

it didn't charge up stresk

[fervent sorrel]

I know its strong with multiple synergistic perks, but its just not a perk I will ever take unless Im forced to take it

[tiny grove]

but it might work with it

[glossy mist]

idk

[tiny grove]

low-key I can't get any use out of schadfjthekakja

the pumpkin 75% one

[glossy mist]

i think saying soft handed or healing streak is too weak is like just straight up ignorant

[fervent sorrel]

soft handed is good in pfinder because the people wont revive or heal you

[glossy mist]

in my stride too weak is insane

its like you picked half the best perks

[tiny grove]

what is that again

[glossy mist]

the one which heals u 35% when spirit misses

[tiny grove]

thst one is funny for noobstomping

[fervent sorrel]

If it was 50%, Id take it. 35%... nah

[tiny grove]

but triggers like 5 times max with sweats per game

it's good enugh

[fervent sorrel]

Its good right now when noone are used to the attack cones

But when people get used to it and you cant circle around spirits anymore.... Its not really all that great

[tiny grove]

the hurtboxes didn't get changed from last year did they?

[topaz pollen]

it changes the well to display 0% to spirit instead of like its damaged

[topaz pollen]

they were

[tiny grove]

ou buh!

I couldn't tell 💀

[topaz pollen]

its supposed to work with self-care

any healing boosts

[fervent sorrel]

That makes it better, but still not something Id use in pfinder

[glossy mist]

idk theres alot more ways to dodge/bait attacks than that

[topaz pollen]

lone soldier is like... hard to use, but can be good

[tiny grove]

I meant thst it didn't level up healing streak which might be intended if j look at the descriptio again

[glossy mist]

i think lone is fine as is rn

[topaz pollen]

exposee is literally bugged rn byw lol

[topaz pollen]

o yeah thats intentional

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah I noticed. Its just straight up useless

[topaz pollen]

all or nothing is pretty good

[fervent sorrel]

But even if it wasnt... Its still not amazing. 6sec is surprisingly short. Most people wont even look at it, and it just gives other people information and not really you (unless you are running in circles around them)

[topaz pollen]

unfortunately we cant change glow color of entities rn. if we could these would be good suggestions for that though

[fervent sorrel]

It still doesnt show the entire map right? And +50% is still pretty dangerous when you are better off just leaving them to die and winning by yourself

[topaz pollen]

it shows the whole map

leaving people to die is cringe

👎

[tiny grove]

gotta get thr 30 points my guy

[fervent sorrel]

Okay that makes it a lot more interesting

[topaz pollen]

like you dont have to like these perks but theyre not useless at all

[fervent sorrel]

But Id still want +100%, but maybe thats just me

[topaz pollen]

maybe schadenfreude is

schadenfreude is funny but not great lol

[tiny grove]

big number sounds funny on paper but i dont see it being very useful

[topaz pollen]

i like self sacrifice existing even if youre not gonna take it most of the time

all or nothing could probably get buffed to +100% revive speed and be ok still

revive takes... 2s right now? i think?

[fervent sorrel]

What if you lost half a heart instead of a full heart, so it was -0.5 for you and +1 for an ally when you heal them?

[topaz pollen]

meh

[tiny grove]

half a heart?

[topaz pollen]

id rather it give you some other benefit

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah, so you would always be injured unless you get downed

and lose that half heart

and then it would be back to normal

[tiny grove]

oh like a temporary lone soldier debuff

[fervent sorrel]

ye

[tiny grove]

ailly

silly

u should make it give u 50 pts

it would be funnu

or like 150 and it's just a perk rr 💀

[topaz pollen]

it should give score

im not sure why it doesnt

i think adding score to perk things is something im always hesitant about

[tiny grove]

just make the totem one time use then

[topaz pollen]

i mean i can do score without it being op

[tiny grove]

most of the time it's only used once anywya

[fervent sorrel]

Ideally it shouldnt give score in games where people are just farming

[topaz pollen]

this one would 100% benefit from it

it can fall off very quickly

but i dont think thats the way to buff the perk overall anyhow

[fervent sorrel]

How about the lone soldier debuff until you are downed like I suggested?

[topaz pollen]

meh

[fervent sorrel]

I think it would become pretty useful then

[tiny grove]

too silly

[fervent sorrel]

Fair, having too many things that make you unable to get healed is bad design

[topaz pollen]

i dont really want to implement that either way lol

sounds annoying

[fervent sorrel]

fair enough, sounds like it could lead to bugs

[tiny grove]

also get out of here speed buff is bugged (if it wasn't fixed this patch)

[topaz pollen]

i did hear about that

i dont know why itd be the case though

[fervent sorrel]

which part or both?

[topaz pollen]

on the person you revive

iirc

[tiny grove]

I sacrificed my life to revive someone with it and I didn't get speed boost

[topaz pollen]

you didnt get it??

[tiny grove]

they had it and I didn't get speed

[topaz pollen]

ok. thats odd

[fervent sorrel]

weird

how about the speed trail part?

[tiny grove]

dunno wasn't looking

[fervent sorrel]

fair enough

[topaz pollen]

im not expecting to do many more balance changes going forward btw, have other things i need to put time towards

[tiny grove]

womp

[fervent sorrel]

Is it just me or is self-care too strong? Even at 1/3rd speed it kinda feels like a must-pick

valid

[tiny grove]

u are kinda useless for 30 seconds

like u could have got 30% on a well

[fervent sorrel]

in pfinder that is a very small price to pay

[tiny grove]

still feels a bit bad

it is good with other healing perks

[fervent sorrel]

Id rather be useless for 30sec than to lose 3 hearts to a single down

[fervent sorrel]

Trust me, its op in pfinder

having lost 3 hearts to a single down like twice already..... Its definitely a necessary perk

and also lowkey, I wish it wasnt possible to lose 3 hearts to a single down anyway. Its already punishing to lose 2

[tiny grove]

simply duo queu!

[fervent sorrel]

If you just got self revived after 2min, it would be nice. But also, would that cause people to revive others less?

sometimes those positive things have negative consequences

so idk

[carmine sentinel]

https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/iSFYulGbDJSue38F6?invite=cr-MSx1M1EsMjcxNzU1MjA4LA

Narnia proccing with Surprise Strike makes the prompt be spammed tf out of in chat

[heavy quest]

I was originally going to make a bunch of yap about this but
it has no cooldown?

[fervent sorrel]

Still kinda weak unless you are playing with newbies though

Most abilities that have cooldown on it gives speed instead of healing progress, since healing progress is fairly weak unless you hit 100%.

[glossy mist]

ngl i think rallying cry needs to be 50% heal to be genuinely useful

but making it genuinely useful seems like. a bad idea

[glossy mist]

yea no cd

i find that i can proc it in chases about half the time on a decent enough spirit

generally i like

double back on a corner twice and then do a really weird third move thats hard to anticipate if they havent already missed on me once before fully catching up

idk

sometimes spirits swing on blockades and that procs it

[heavy quest]

I uh

oops

[crisp yoke]

yeah ok there are definitely a LOT more sweats now

[tiny grove]

ME

i cannot get into pfinder sweat games rn...

:(

[tiny grove]

i think rallying cry and in my stride is good enugh

even vs good spirit

[solemn olive]

was this a real game or a farm game?

what the heck

[heavy quest]

I think 1 person left and

I had made some. poor decisions.

[carmine sentinel]

maybe it could give you that healing progress slowly over time

[glossy mist]

perhap s

[lusty phoenix]

only complain is the vaulting gives jumping fatigue, but a lto of people probably has said something about that

[tiny grove]

yop

rallying cry is fine

[tender crest]

executioners scythe throw thing is bugged and doesnt work

[ruby adder]

known

[tawny lintel]

Are there plans to buff the bow spirit? Like make it have only have 1 arrow and 1/4 the speed penalty

[ruby adder]

not atm

[heavy quest]

would not personally want to buff them, and that sounds more like a nerf than anything
You usually don't have an arrow loaded for more than a couple seconds, and it only takes a brief moment to load and unload it
And having only 1 arrow would add a slight amount of wasted time, having to restock after every shot

[tiny grove]

yeah mael is fine rn

[brisk burrow]

Mael is so fine

The speed penalty is not meant to be something to deal with but just force you to only load the arrow when you want to make your shot

[tiny grove]

yeah

mael my beloved

[tiny grove]

💀

im sorry huxel :33333

[velvet lotus]

smh go sleep!

[tiny grove]

2 am!

wehat a way to end off

srry if i bmed too much havinfg too mcuhu fun with :3 macro

[velvet lotus]

Im about to have my villain arc and start playing wanderer

in other words, I have experienced

https://tenor.com/view/re-zero-skill-issue-re-zero-re-zero-meme-re-zero-reinhard-reinhard-gif-15034909207031118864

[tiny grove]

it will bee patched when u wake up

i think u hit me a total of two times OK thats enugh from me good night!

ok I am on toilet but I must say after that game mabye pounce was overnerfed its hurtbox is really inconsistent so against a competent player it just feels like it breaks even on ground gained cuz of the 3 sec slowness on landing

vro had no hope of catching up to me

[velvet lotus]

does pounce even deal damage anymore 😭

[gleaming tusk]

can the spirit still attack anymore 😼

that was a fun period last year

[tiny grove]

pounce does dmg the hurtbox is jsut boots cheeks

[silent sapphire]

absolutely love terror still

so funn

[inland hornet]

I mean I don't think pounce is intended to chase

Moreso that like as soon as someone gets stalked, you pounce

Let's you close the distance on someone at a well

[twin condor]

pounce hitbox didn't seem to work very well a lot of the time for me. Though others might be diff

[fervent sorrel]

I really disagree. But at the same time its really annoying for a bad spirit to constantly heal the survivors. I like the idea of heal over time auto suggested.

Healing over time from outplaying a spirit sounds pretty nice. Like if a spirit misses 1 attack very close to you, you get 1% per sec, which means you are incentivized to run away and hide after, and the spirit is then compelled to double down to attack you more which means chances of triggering other buffs for teammates

[fervent sorrel]

In general Id want more of the buffs that alter your playstyle as a defender. Its already very good though, there are locker synergies, spirit well synergies, attacking spirit synergies, dodging spirit attack synergies, healing synergies, etc.

How about a perk that increases out of heartbeat movespeed by 5%? Sort of rotation synergy that rewards you for focusing on vision and staying far away from the spirit. And a perk that doubles healing and reviving speed while inside the heartbeat radius.

I think Id use both tbh

Since a lot of the time I am healing someone and I have to cancel it because the spirit gets too close

[random bronze]

if one person leaves the game mid game, make it so the wells are charged up faster

by like 25%

also, after being revived, get out of here perk doesnt work, only works when you revive someone

probably was reported though

[fervent sorrel]

Also there are so many invis enemies and invis lockers/barricades rn

Only reason why I won as the spirit was because people used step particles so I could know where they were despite them being invis. Cosmetics are pay to lose 🤣

Imagine if a spirit worked like that though. Being blind so you cant see any enemies (and also a slight darkness effect on your screen to reduce seeing distance), however footsteps also leave sprint trails and all sounds are enhanced, also it being one of the faster spirits so the downsides are outweighed.

[tiny grove]

I mean the invis shjt is a bug so idk if that's even possible to do intentially

[fervent sorrel]

Ofc its possible intentionally. Just give everyone the aledar effect

Well... Okay now I get your point

How will other players see each other

It might need too much devwork

At least I dont know how to force some players too see each other, but others cant see them

[tiny grove]

u just described a worse version of in my stride buh...

[fervent sorrel]

Being able to heal to 100% after just 1 miss is so much stronger than 35% per miss

[tiny grove]

blockades will always be consistent for stunning so I just see rallying cry as a bonus if I can get all the thingies

3 pallet stuns*

worst case scenario u just heal faster wit bandage if u bave

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah rallying cry is so much stronger than in my stride

[tiny grove]

1%healing over time is too slow and a little broken(also encourages camping?????)

[fervent sorrel]

does it encourage camping though? Just charge another well in the meanwhile

Or simply run away from the spirit if you have enough barricades unused

[tiny grove]

yeahhh but am assuming people r just gunna camp to get uninjured since pfinder already does a lot stupidier selfish things(iee locker camping till game end when 3 people r down)

[fervent sorrel]

I dont like how locker is only 35sec, when spirits often camp for over 20sec in the same spot

[tiny grove]

nah locker time is fine

[fervent sorrel]

If I were the one to balance it, Id put it at 45sec

But the locker time is definitely a good thing

locker camping is so dumb

[fervent sorrel]

You would imagine in 30sec that the spirit has either went away or that the other survivors have charged 30% on spirit wells... But no

Thats unfortunately not how pfinder works

People are just running in circles and not healing each other

[fervent sorrel]

Do you even gain anything from running out of time? Isnt that just a draw pretty much?

I have only purposefully ran out of time once, and that was because spirit was camping both doors and I was the only one alive. On the bunker its pretty hard to get a solo finish if the spirit knows the map well

It was linny... So yeah I was screwed

[tiny grove]

womp

no self heal :3

u don't get anything for just waiting the game out

[fervent sorrel]

Ah, I worded it poorly. I meant that I ran out of time while running between the 2 doors the entire time. I never actively plan to run out of time, thats just holding the game hostage and being silly

[tiny grove]

yeah but people in pfindr do that for soke reaosn

[gleaming tusk]

uhhhhh so executioner's bugged again

the scythe's range is WAY bigger than it should be

it hit me from about 10-15 blocks away from it twice

[brisk burrow]

what do you mean by this exactly?

[gleaming tusk]

https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/iSYWqsoXnL5oa0-pv?invite=cr-MSxOUXgsMTgyNjEzNzk4LA

[peak dock]

im just that good fr

[brisk burrow]

this is uh

[fervent sorrel]

Maybe it was a desync?

[brisk burrow]

@topaz pollen

[gleaming tusk]

it's not desync it happened like 4 times XD

[fervent sorrel]

oof

[peak dock]

it hit xakotani like 20 blocks away as well

twice

[brisk burrow]

i don't even see the scythe here

[peak dock]

this may need to be fixed

thats because i aimed it LIKE A 45 DEGREE ARC IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION

[brisk burrow]

also the scythe's range is 20 blocks

[peak dock]

its not

the scythe throw range is 20 blocks

[brisk burrow]

well yes

[peak dock]

you can move away from the scythe

and then retract

[brisk burrow]

yeah sure that's fine

[fervent sorrel]

Thats intended

[brisk burrow]

it penalises you in speed

[gleaming tusk]

https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/iSYUT5bJGShlpldFZ?invite=cr-MSxMQ0QsMTgyNjEzNzk4LA heres another xd

[fervent sorrel]

But throwing it 20 blocks instantly is not

[brisk burrow]

Fun fact:

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah, its kind of a more skillful version of the bow

[brisk burrow]

It takes over 1.5s for a full throw to arrive and be primed

[peak dock]

fun fact: you can camp both exit gates at the same time (ive killed someone from the other side of the map before)

[brisk burrow]

you cannot

[peak dock]

leave the scythe in the gate

[brisk burrow]

well on bunker maybe?

[peak dock]

then walk slowly to the other side

[brisk burrow]

but the interact range

[peak dock]

on woods

[peak dock]

no no

[brisk burrow]

of a switch

is bigger than the radius

[peak dock]

i left it IN the open gate

the middle

[brisk burrow]

oh

[fervent sorrel]

Imo the scythe throw is more of a "Im gonna block this exit", than "Im gonna hit you from 20 blocks away"

[brisk burrow]

well shrimply don't be injured !

[peak dock]

real

killed the last survivor that way

[brisk burrow]

we could probably just add a clause

to block scythe positions close to the exit gates

the same way you can't put scythes close to graves

[peak dock]

i think you should be able to place it around the gate switch

but not in the gate imo

[fervent sorrel]

I think it should instead get automatically retracted if you walk too far away while putting it on an exit

[brisk burrow]

huh that's just a funky way of doing it lol

[fervent sorrel]

Because I dont like the idea of someone throwing a scythe at an exit like intended and then having it not work

[brisk burrow]

that's not how blocking works

[peak dock]

maybe at a certain radius it just stops you from moving until you retract

[brisk burrow]

internally

it tries positions

until one works

and that's the highlighted one

that you will then shoot it towards

by blocking exit gates

[fervent sorrel]

If you are chasing someone into a corner, you should be able to throw it at them even if that corner contains a switch imo

[brisk burrow]

that just makes it so it won't let you have the marker in the exit gate

[fervent sorrel]

But what is wrong with blocking 1 exit gate?

[peak dock]

because you can run to the other

[brisk burrow]

it is kind of a very cheap kill on an injured player

[peak dock]

and then you block both gates

[fervent sorrel]

No I get that

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah, thats obviously not good

But if someone wants to block 1 gate, good for them

[brisk burrow]

you can stand at the other and make sure they can't open it

[peak dock]

i think there should be a maximum distance that exec can walk away from scythe

[brisk burrow]

maybe

but crossmaps are very funny

[peak dock]

true

[brisk burrow]

very useless but hilarious

[peak dock]

its great being able to launch scythe from the other side of the map

[fervent sorrel]

Is the scythe even visible though? I feel like 80% of the time I cant even see where its located, so crossmaps have 0 counterplay

[brisk burrow]

i think if it really proves a problem

the scythe glows when it is thrown lol

[fervent sorrel]

Thats bugged

[brisk burrow]

well

[peak dock]

theres also a particle line towards the spirit

[brisk burrow]

on gm it works

[peak dock]

from the scythe

[peak dock]

you can see the scythe

[brisk burrow]

that line is only visible to the spirit

[fervent sorrel]

how about making it visible for players too?

[peak dock]

maybe make it visible after a certain distance

[brisk burrow]

i think that's giving the game away too much

[peak dock]

actually

what is the scythe hitbox

like what radius

[brisk burrow]

exactly how large it looks

[peak dock]

hm

[brisk burrow]

its radius is 1.75 blocks

[fervent sorrel]

so like 2x2 blocks ish?

[brisk burrow]

about 3.5 ish

2x2 was too easy to just walk past

[fervent sorrel]

and adding some particles would be too strong?

[peak dock]

that means that players can get past a exit trap

they just have to hug the wall

cos exit is 5 wide

[fervent sorrel]

I played the executioner many times while it was bugged. Just the 15% walkspeed alone makes it one of the strongest spirits

[peak dock]

it should probably not have 15% ws

[brisk burrow]

i am on the verge of giving her only +10%

[peak dock]

yeah give it 10

im an exec main and even i think the ws is too high

[fervent sorrel]

I mostly play keeper, but Ill run any 15% ws spirit because catching up to people is busted

[brisk burrow]

Ngl the reason i don't like particles on survivor is that i don't really like the particles on the spirit

[fervent sorrel]

stalker going to +5% made it kinda meh tbh

[upper galleon]

What's the base survivor speed

10?

[brisk burrow]

The only reason they are there is to give you a better feeling for how good the zoning coverage actually is

base survivor is +0%

[peak dock]

icic

[fervent sorrel]

100% no?

[brisk burrow]

survivor walk speed is considered 100%

then spirits run at 105%, 110% or 115%

funnily enough

115% is the "default"

just over time spirits got nerfed so that 110% is the new average lol

[peak dock]

imagine keeper with 15%

[fervent sorrel]

Keeper with 15% could just have bow charged the entire time tbh

[brisk burrow]

tbf keeper being 110 is the same huntress at 110

the killer isn't too strong with 115

[fervent sorrel]

Well... 65% is still kinda bad ig

[brisk burrow]

but the 110 is there to encourage you to use your ability

instead of just doing the chase raw

[fervent sorrel]

I also like the downside of keeper. Searching lockers is giga painful

[peak dock]

REAL

[fervent sorrel]

So a good player will do locker cheese

To waste your time

I dont really understand why stalker got nerfed to +5% though when the pounce doesnt even work

[peak dock]

pounce cd is giga long holy

[fervent sorrel]

You cant really all that consistently catch up to people at +5%

there is a reason why terror can tp on top of a player after all

Also, silly question but when is the survivor position revealed with vermin? Is it while destroying a burrow or after?

[brisk burrow]

during the destroying process

[upper galleon]

While

[brisk burrow]

normally this would mean that destroying a vermin hole just does not happen

but pfinder vermins tend to have the attribute of not giving a damn

[fervent sorrel]

But it locks the vermin hole from being dug out right?

[brisk burrow]

lol no

in fact

[fervent sorrel]

oh...

[brisk burrow]

if it comes to that one

your attempt gets interrupted

[fervent sorrel]

great, so its just busted then

Lowkey that should get nerfed. Pfinder just sucks then

[upper galleon]

It can take a while to get back to a tunnel, so it does work out a bit

[brisk burrow]

well

[fervent sorrel]

You can just make a new one

[brisk burrow]

if vermin has a good setup

[peak dock]

pfinder is actually silly

[brisk burrow]

it can be quite hard to deal with

a good vermin can only be countered by at least 2 good survivors on comms

[peak dock]

people do NOT know to turn off particles

[fervent sorrel]

I love when ppl dont turn off particles or pets. Whenever I get invis bug, this is 100% required for me to kill survivors at all

and invis bug is like once every.... 5 games or so? Pretty significant

[peak dock]

me when i see the spirit with this big ass rainbow above their head:

[fervent sorrel]

Even better when its wanderer

[peak dock]

fr

[fervent sorrel]

Right now I felt like every game I played, were either executioner or vermin... So ideally Id want both nerfed a bit. You know its OP when people dont wanna play keeper or bugged wanderer.

But idk, maybe vermin would be too weak if the burrow couldnt be used while someone were disarming it?

Because if you think about it... Vermin is just terror with less spikes and more movespeed

[peak dock]

i play keeper whenever i dont get exec, otherwise i play terror

[fervent sorrel]

Rn I play Keeper>Vermin>Terror>Executioner>Wanderer

[upper galleon]

Keeper looks like the coolest despite being the silliest to play

I love picking it

[fervent sorrel]

Idk why I dont pick taken more

Its definitely pretty strong.... But it just takes a very long time to tp to lockers, and kinda feels like a worse vermin?

[peak dock]

Because taken’s ws got nerfed

[fervent sorrel]

ohhhhh, thats why

At 10% its indeed bad

So both stalker and taken stats are outdated on the wiki then. Ngl I dont really understand how they both got nerfed, neither seemed all that OP

[peak dock]

i dont think anyone in pfinder actually knows how to play stalker

smh

[fervent sorrel]

my dumb ass would stare down stalker while they were trying to stalk me

On the bright side, they were always giga bad anyway so I dont think I got oneshot once

[inland hornet]

what

taken is the better vermin

lmao

best way is frequent wells and insta attack with the locker blind

and if they flee

predict where they go and teleport in front of em

and then they're dead

also vermin is easier to kite than terror

[tiny grove]

warh?

vermij has more ws?

[heavy quest]

not gonna stop me
not yet, at least

[fervent sorrel]

15% vs 10%

[tiny grove]

pounce feels reallllly shit but I haven't gone against any mega sweats with it yet

[fervent sorrel]

They just keep nerfing walkspeed of spirits lmao

[tiny grove]

yeah how is vermin easier to kite if it's slower...
if taken tps into a locker during a chase u can usually hear it and walk away

[fervent sorrel]

They used to have the same though

[tiny grove]

yeah ik

[fervent sorrel]

Vermin cant attack you from a burrow, but taken has the tendril to disorient the survivor

So if they had same %, Id agree tbh

[ruby adder]

terror is 5%

[tiny grove]

ig vermin is easily kited cuz u can just have someone eat a burrow during chase

[fervent sorrel]

Yes we know. But taken is 10% and vermin is 15%

[ruby adder]

.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1147299254080126978/1295460326942183536/watermark.gif

[tiny grove]

me when

[fervent sorrel]

I assume he just mistyped

Because we werent talking about terror

[tiny grove]

oh I misread terror as taken for soke reason

I'm smart af

[inland hornet]

nah i just brought it up

[fervent sorrel]

If you didnt misstype, then yeah I guess its technically true the exact moment you step on a trap

[inland hornet]

cause terror is notirously easy to kite

vermin even moreso

[tiny grove]

terror and stalker

r sooooo funny to kite

[fervent sorrel]

However, terror just sucks if you are slow at teleporting to a trap

[tiny grove]

I mean the keubind for thst is so easy now so

:3

[inland hornet]

thus the change where you can tp with rightclick on weapon now

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah

[tiny grove]

y u think vermin is easy to kite tho buh

[inland hornet]

because you only have 5 burrows that dont respawn

if you're chasing a survivor and someone instantly begins breaking a burrow

you decide if you wanna chase the survivor or go protect the burrow

[tiny grove]

yeah tht is true

[inland hornet]

while terror has the option to just not care if someone procs a snare cause those regen

and they can tell what snare got proced (if you remember the spots/map)

[fervent sorrel]

I think terror is in a pretty good spot.
If it was up to me Id nerf executioner (or at least bugfix it), and possibly nerf wanderer (or just bugfix it).
And buff stalker and taken.

[inland hornet]

wanderer????????

[heavy quest]

stalker buff already...?

[tiny grove]

its fixed alr no?

[fervent sorrel]

oh it is?

[tiny grove]

yeah

[fervent sorrel]

Then no

[inland hornet]

tf happened to wanderer and executioner for them to need nerfs

[fervent sorrel]

Scrap that then

[tiny grove]

i tihnk stalker players need to just be more stalkery

[inland hornet]

i take a break for one day

[tiny grove]

wanderer was bugged and had no partices/noise on vanihshexit

[heavy quest]

(fix the pounce hitbox. the pouncebox, if you would.)

[inland hornet]

could you still see them walking around

if so then that literally has no difference

[tiny grove]

esp with 5% speed and pounce being silly

they need to not rely on chase and instead just

[fervent sorrel]

Executioner can shoot his scythe 20 blocks instantly with 0 visual cues.
And wanderer could be invis behind a corner and attack you with 0 sound cues

[tiny grove]

be sneaky beaky like :3

exe is prob fine after it got fixed

altho it might have bene broken agAIn

[fervent sorrel]

Probably yeah

[inland hornet]

ok the wanderer thing does not matter at all what

[heavy quest]

counter for every time executioner bugged out

[tiny grove]

.

[fervent sorrel]

It really does. Its so op to hide behind a wall

[inland hornet]

why are you not checking your corners if you're playing with a wanderer

[tiny grove]

tr u e

[fervent sorrel]

pfinder being pfinder

[inland hornet]

ok notch be real is this an issue

or does bitter just suck as an ex morph main

[tiny grove]

wanderer rn?

[inland hornet]

yes

[tiny grove]

i mean the sound is back so its prob fine

it prob plays like stalker now but easier in chase

[inland hornet]

like the only time ive been people uncloaking as of late is when they are directly on you

[tiny grove]

yeah those r just

[inland hornet]

otherwise you're already gone as soon as you see their particles

[tiny grove]

silly billies

[inland hornet]

wanderer needing a nerf is still wild tho

if anything id say its a buff they need

[fervent sorrel]

Not having a sound was giga op

[tiny grove]

just have to be less greedy when powering a well when u see their particles

[inland hornet]

like old wanderer was so turbo shit

[tiny grove]

on release wanderer was quite silly iirc

[peak dock]

hold on ill send you kiarah’s clip

[tiny grove]

like decloak time was like 1 sec

[fervent sorrel]

doomish already got it

[inland hornet]

i think wanderer uncloaked like near instantly

[tiny grove]

yeah

[inland hornet]

got what

the clip?

[fervent sorrel]

isnt it 2sec now?

[peak dock]

https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/iSYWqsoXnL5oa0-pv?invite=cr-MSxOUXgsMTgyNjEzNzk4LA
i was the exec in this

[fervent sorrel]

or 3

[tiny grove]

.

[fervent sorrel]

Its sooooo slow

[tiny grove]

i thought it was 4 now i dun remmebr anymore

[inland hornet]

oh yeah no i didnt get sent the clip

[tiny grove]

exe is

a bit silly rn

[peak dock]

also i hit soneone 20 blocks away from the scythe path

3 times

in a row

like i retacted perpendicular to the exit gate

[tiny grove]

buh

[peak dock]

and my friend just dies

[fervent sorrel]

Intended

[tiny grove]

[peak dock]

hes like 30 blocks north of the gate

[heavy quest]

factor of skill

[peak dock]

true

[peak dock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1147299254080126978/1295460326942183536/watermark.gif

[inland hornet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1174916886245429268/1294887386307629156/ezgif-7-5d90e7e905.gif?=&width=1151&height=671

[topaz pollen]

it was 120% actually originally

before we made a system to let us use values that werent just tied to speed potion levels

[brisk burrow]

absolutely peak

[ruby adder]

both false

[ruby adder]

it was 2s or 2.5s i believe, its not 3.5

[gleaming tusk]

they fixed wanderer sound queues

but executioner is bugged as hell rn in some spots

[ruby adder]

@fervent sorrel
Executioner scythe takes at least 1.5s to become dangerous, it glows and makes a big sound cue when it gets readied and thrown, and has to pause after landing for half a second to be able to hurt you.
Wanderer makes a distinct noise while decloaking

[wicked frost]

Is this ever actually useful

[ruby adder]

only 40s cd is cracked

its like a free escape from some well locations

[wicked frost]

Yeah but like there's hardly any places to fall more than 3 blocks, and a lot of the time if you do, you get jump fatigue

[fervent sorrel]

I really like it, its pretty useful if you know the map

But yeah the jump fatigue messes it up a bit

[fervent sorrel]

Its bugged though, and the scythe is invis half of the time too.
The wanderer not having a sound got fixed apparently, but as of last night it was still not working.

[gleaming tusk]

the exec is SO BROKE

[ruby adder]

@brisk burrow ? Ive never seen the scythe be invis and even then i think its crazy to suggest a nerf to counteract a bug
Wanderer sound is live now

[peak dock]

nuh uh i play exec and holy shit did i hit someone 30 BLOCKS perpendicular to the scythe retraction

[gleaming tusk]

someone just got killed by scythe on the other side of the map

[fervent sorrel]

He already knows of the bug

[gleaming tusk]

when the scythe was nowhere near them

[ruby adder]

yeah we found that bug we think, will be fixed soon

[brisk burrow]

nuh uh exec 110%'s been on my mind for a while

she's just kinda... speedy

[peak dock]

true

[brisk burrow]

the same way aledar and vermin are kinda speedy

[peak dock]

i actually played exec while it was bugged for the sole reason of ws

[brisk burrow]

admittedly however vermin does kinda need it

[ruby adder]

i think their speeds are good where they are

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah, 110% makes a lot of sense. But maybe if she gets nerfed down to 110% the double exit camp can stay?

[brisk burrow]

give me one second

[fervent sorrel]

after all, its only 1 hit and not a full down, and it needs some time to set up when the bug is fixed.

[peak dock]

oh look another

[heavy quest]

factor
of
skill
:D

[tiny grove]

ehh nornlaly i dont jump fatigue from the places u can use this in(ladders and top floor of bunker, far north well in bunker,bridge well and the north west elevated well in woods)

depending on your wells it could be a free escape

40s is prob around as long if not shorter than a spirit looping wells

these wells r kinda free most of the time anyways

[fervent sorrel]

Least free well imo gotta be the one with double stairs on the forest map

Ironically enough it would be more free if it jumped down like the other one with 2 stairs

[tiny grove]

stairs r such free jukes...

I barely get jump fatigue on them this uear

year

[fervent sorrel]

No?

[tiny grove]

u can just do any random bs on stairs and prob be ok tbhvvgh

[fervent sorrel]

You know the spot Im talking about though. Its like a line with 2 stairs connecting to it. I feel like every single spirit can just outrun you on that one

[tiny grove]

like walking thru the spirit or jumping the stairs or just walking off the slabs next to the stairs

that's bridge well

it's such a good well to have last since u can't get cucked by mael or stalker

only by exe

[fervent sorrel]

Huh? Everyone can kill you on it

[tiny grove]

dude stairs r so op...

the vantage point helps u spot spirits too

[fervent sorrel]

No, its just jump fatigue and 0 vision

[tiny grove]

idk man I never get jamp fatigue anymore

[fervent sorrel]

Thats kinda true, but its one of the worse vantage spots since there arent really any other wells nearby

[tiny grove]

we talking abt the one in the west corner next to the big tree rkght?

it's good enugh

ok I go now

[fervent sorrel]

Worst well by far

However I normally charge it first so I dont need to deal with it later

[inland hornet]

tbh i like this well a lot

with how the slabs on the stairs work you can do a crazy juke

[heavy quest]

Surely the middle one in the pit is the worst

Nobody does that one...

[inland hornet]

that one is slighly funny to do

[heavy quest]

Open, vulnerable location, no easy outs...

[inland hornet]

unless its keeper

well you can do funny circle strafs

and its fun to bm there cause you can just go directly opposite spirit and power it the second they depower it

and that usually gets em pissed enough to chase you

[wicked frost]

when the survivors and spirit are equally good lmao

it becomes a stalemate until wells stop

[carmine sentinel]

https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/iT2GJbY1W7Wr-84gi?invite=cr-MSxDeG8sMjcxNzU1MjA4LA what a fun fucking killer

[tiny grove]

fr this guy bugging not thiggign

[tiny grove]

fr it bugging hard rn

it seemes

pit is so bad I always try to do it first or seond

[heavy quest]

ankles slightly broken

spirit may have disconnected after a minute

[tiny grove]

womp

[inland hornet]

15m game with 1m dc but only 92%

smh

[tiny grove]

how bad is the exe bug is it like ervy time they use scythe

it's just guaranteed to hit

[inland hornet]

Also middle is crazy if you have surprise strike

it's so incredibly miserable as spirit to check that well for survivors

cause you have to gamble that you 1) picked the right locker

2. got there fast enough that they don't have surprise strike

esp if you get the quad locker spawn

[tiny grove]

church is p nice if the spirit isn't on taken

I wish the roof barriers got moved higher orbsmth so I could f5 to see the spirit more easily tho

[inland hornet]

it's super nice if they're on keeper

since they basically can't check lockers

[tiny grove]

I mean u only reload on firs locker anyway

[inland hornet]

Still enough time for someone to instantly leave and be a mile away

also really?

[tiny grove]

tactical refill type shi

yeh

[inland hornet]

I feel like I've had to reload on 5/5 before

[tiny grove]

u only refill if u don't have max ammo

I always go keeper if its an option it is so silly

[inland hornet]

As keeper I basically don't bother with church

[tiny grove]

tbh I just ignore the good wells when spiirt

[inland hornet]

can't really use keeper to its best abilities there anyways

[tiny grove]

let them make a mistake >:)

[inland hornet]

might be ideal to just focus specific wells

maybe like the 3 gen on woods if it's there

and the legendary 5 gen

[heavy quest]

in some other news

why is bunker so dark.

I gotta turn off the light in this room just to see

[topaz pollen]

because our worldedit plugin hates copying lighting correctly

and we have a secondary map used for pushes that needs things copied over

[fervent sorrel]

I like it, you dont even need to go inside the pit, just do it from the edge and there are basically 4 close barricades + you can juke on the nearby stairs. Also its in the middle of the map so you have a ton of options of where to run

[inland hornet]

keeper

[fervent sorrel]

with keeper its lowkey doomed yeah

[inland hornet]

You can go into the pit tho ig

[fervent sorrel]

that might work if he is blind

[inland hornet]

and abuse stairs moving you at a vertical speed that's hard to track

[fervent sorrel]

But sounds risky, since getting out is difficult

[inland hornet]

nah just run into church

odds are they'll hear it powered and load the bow preemptively

[fervent sorrel]

No I mean, by the time you can see keeper seeing you, you are already probably gonna get shot

[inland hornet]

Just listen for em

Since you're in the pit they can't cross map you

[fervent sorrel]

Then you might as well just stay outside the pit?

[inland hornet]

ok but then you can be shot without hearing the heartbeat

[fervent sorrel]

And then run behind the barricades

[inland hornet]

It's better to be in the pit so that you're safer for longer

[fervent sorrel]

the barricade is like 3 blocks away, just preemptively push it down so you can quickly vault over ig

[inland hornet]

ok and what happens once it's broken

Then what

[fervent sorrel]

there is another one, but by then it should already be powered a lot

[inland hornet]

there's usually only one

at least into church

[fervent sorrel]

There are always 2, no?

[inland hornet]

....

time to stop listening to your opinions

[fervent sorrel]

But I guess someone breaks the first one pretty fast

[inland hornet]

blud doesn't know barricades, lockers, and some parts of the map are randomly chosen

biggest example being the entire part of the map near corner most vines on bunker

[inland hornet]

that entire area has different appearances

[fervent sorrel]

Look at red square

Its 2

[inland hornet]

sometimes it's two

usually it's one

look at 4 lockers at top of church

sometimes there's none

Sometimes 2

Sometimes 4

[fervent sorrel]

Idk about that. Are you sure its not just a visual bug?

[inland hornet]

I know for a fact it's not visual

You can go test it right now

Same with pallets in like everywhere

Think about sewer

Sometimes pallets are there

Sometimes there arent

Think about the locker in front of East gate bunker

[fervent sorrel]

I have played like 20 church games, the ones on the image were in all except 1

[inland hornet]

Sometimes one spawns there

Sometimes one doesnt

Same for west gate bunker

Sometimes there is one, sometimes there isn't

[fervent sorrel]

Bro..... Thats the pink ?

[inland hornet]

huh

[fervent sorrel]

Maybe its random, but at least personally I feel like it always spawns. Its only the pink ? and the well locations that change every game

[inland hornet]

Ok how much do you wanna bet that there aren't always two pallets in front of pit a church

I'm willing to bet 20stx

That there isn't always 2

I'm that sure

[fervent sorrel]

"edited" 🤣

[inland hornet]

Same goes for the 4 lockers in church upstairs

[inland hornet]

The edit was from 3 to 2

[fervent sorrel]

But yeah, u might be right. But from experience I feel like its always there

just sometimes lockers and barriers disappear due to visual bugs and I get stuck in them (as a spirit)

[inland hornet]

Ok look

The pallet on the right isn't there

[fervent sorrel]

true

[inland hornet]

But it is on the map

It's because having two pallets there would be miserable for the spirit

Same thing for if all pallet spawns were guarenteed

Then countermeasures would be worthless

Since you could just memorize every since pallet spawn

[fervent sorrel]

also for some reason I have never gotten the well on the 1st floor of church

I probably havent played enough church games, and I just felt like a lot of them had those pallets tbh

[inland hornet]

because there isn't a well on the first floor of church what

[fervent sorrel]

look back at the image. Right next to the 2 lockers

upper left corner

[inland hornet]

The one I sent?

That's church upper

[fervent sorrel]

no its not...

[inland hornet]

Wait no the one I sent is pit

[fervent sorrel]

yes

The one I sent

Its got 1st floor of church in it, look at the well inside of it

[fervent sorrel]

I have never seen that well location

[inland hornet]

The one in front of two lockers?

[fervent sorrel]

ever

yes

[inland hornet]

who made this map

Because I too have never seen this

[fervent sorrel]

its on the wiki, so idk

[inland hornet]

And I've got like 50k+ total score

Oh the fucking wiki

[fervent sorrel]

Other than that well, everything checks out though

[fervent sorrel]

Ngl, if that well location was like that... Church would be such a hard map

[inland hornet]

Possible

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah, u are right about that one

I rarely see both barricades in the underground in the upper middle part, its basically always 1. Having 2 there would be pretty painful for a spirit

[inland hornet]

Ok yeah look at this

Have you ever seen that many pallets at sewer

And how often have you seen both sides of vines have a pallet

Same goes for upper vines

[fervent sorrel]

Every time Im spirit

[fervent sorrel]

Same here....

[inland hornet]

Most of the time if there are two super close pallets

Only one spawns

Ok then you need to play more

[fervent sorrel]

Yeah I agree

[inland hornet]

Ok there is no way you have seen this

[fervent sorrel]

Usually only 1 spawns with the super close ones, but it feels like always 1 spawns.

[inland hornet]

Look at this shit

4 pallets

*5

there is no shot you have ever seen 5 pallets there

As survivor or spirit

[fervent sorrel]

Well obviously not. Its rare to even see 3

[inland hornet]

Yeah

[topaz pollen]

im like 99% sure it picks one or the other of these but never both

[inland hornet]

Same with lockers

[carmine sentinel]

nah ive seen 4 lockers there in unbugged games

[inland hornet]

Main ones being bunker west and east gates, church upper

[fervent sorrel]

No, it basically always picks all lockers

[inland hornet]

I've seen 2 before

[carmine sentinel]

ive seen 2 and 4, never 0

[fervent sorrel]

ohhhh this explains it. I have played a lot of bugged games

[inland hornet]

And if there's no well spawn up there I never see 4

[topaz pollen]

in this case these are two blockade pairs, which select one but not the other to spawn

i believe the church has 4 locker pairs, which it selects 2 pairs to spawn per game

including both upper and lower level

[inland hornet]

Thatd make sense

Tho tbf you rarely ever use bottom lockers

only if you have vanishing act

[fervent sorrel]

Is this new? Its so rare I only see 1 pair of lockers on top

[topaz pollen]

no

[fervent sorrel]

weird

[topaz pollen]

i said it includes upper and lower

[inland hornet]

Carnivore how many games do you have played

[topaz pollen]

if only 1 pair spawns up top, it means 1 pair is on the bottom

[fervent sorrel]

Oh, I thought you meant if 2 spawns on top, 0 spawns on the bottom

[inland hornet]

that seems to be what they're saying

[topaz pollen]

this is what it means yes

[inland hornet]

You rarely notice lockers on bottom floor unless keeper/locker guy

[topaz pollen]

2 pairs of lockers that is

[inland hornet]

Even lockers in general are kinda pointless to enter there

unless vanishing act

[fervent sorrel]

yeah thats just how to get killed tbh

At least on top its nice to narnia away

[tiny grove]

funnny locker dodging

[inland hornet]

Top I prefer stunning strike

Stunning strike is just way better than Narnia in every way

[tiny grove]

carnivore is not a btb sweat chat..

narnia is funny

situaitonal but good

[inland hornet]

yeah this guy's a normie

[tiny grove]

hes has a life 🤯

[inland hornet]

stunning strike may get nerfed tho

[tiny grove]

no 200k points...

[fervent sorrel]

I avg like 12 shards per game

[tiny grove]

locker strike or wht

[inland hornet]

Losing points on stun

[fervent sorrel]

I dont

[inland hornet]

Yeah like you get points for stunning with stunning strike

Which while super funny is kinda insane

so id understand it getting points removed on stun

[fervent sorrel]

I like farming points with bandages

[inland hornet]

bandages soft handed moment

[fervent sorrel]

Just being giga selfish and healing myself over and over again in games

its great

[heavy quest]

wait hang on
I'm pretty sure I've seen that one a few times, at least last year

[inland hornet]

Probably explains it

[fervent sorrel]

Idk man I consider myself kinda sweat

[fickle fox]

is there any way to fix wanderer perma invis bug?

[fervent sorrel]

But I use pfinder so banishments are.... Not easy

[inland hornet]

34k isn't that high imm be real

Want an inv to the sweat server?

[fervent sorrel]

I started this year

[inland hornet]

Test your mettle?

[fervent sorrel]

Hence why I got banished 3 times

[inland hornet]

The real sweats (ender and linny) have like 300k+/250k+ respectively

[fervent sorrel]

That low?

Its just 10x more

[inland hornet]

Theres only so many days of btb

and only so many people willing to play 3 weeks in

[fervent sorrel]

Oh I forgot its only 1 year old

I thought it had been for many years, but this is only the 2nd time

Then yeah, 10x is kinda crazy

Its a very fun gamemode though. Would be cool if it stayed permanent (or at least came back for more than 1 month per year)

beats battle of bonfire for sure, even though I like quake quite a lot. Playing where basically 50% of the game is irrelevant and needing to get 10 players per party and people always leave.... Not great

[tiny grove]

I have 200k total :3333

bouta become CT to play btb year long

[fervent sorrel]

Weird, I only have 166% spirit well contribution avg. I always feel like I have to solo 3 wells myself....

I guess those games where you get downed and noone comes to revive you so you are dead in sub 5min really add up

I said it before and Ill say it again, losing 3 hearts to a single down is criminal and should not be a thing

[twin condor]

Well it's a good incentive to revive your teamates and not just camp I'd say

[strong flint]

200k score + 1015 in 1 run wtf

[gritty aurora]

On woods yes

[peak dock]

Sometimes it’s only one

[peak dock]

i have played over 100 games of btb

in pfinder

holy shit people dont know how to get healed or heal

[harsh widget]

depends on the randoms u get

i've had parties with alot of good people and parties with some absolute NPCs

like @marsh elbow

[gleaming tusk]

am fish

(dont die on top of lilypads it gets you stuck in the water)

[peak dock]

bruh i thought they fixed that

[whole holly]

do you drown btw

[gleaming tusk]

nop

but you cant do anything at all

so its just a pain

[whole holly]

rip

[fervent sorrel]

The fix is to die again while on the edge of a block so you get revived on land again

Lowkey that bug makes lillypad well the most dangerous one of all

[peak dock]

also theres a bug where the spirit stops being able to do anything

like keeper cant load/unload or shoot

is at 50% ws

cant open lockers

or attack

only fix is being barricaded

[fervent sorrel]

I havent had that issue yet, or at least it went over fast

[tiny grove]

yeah that happened to me last year and this year too

I think I just loaded and unloaded crossbow too fast or smth silly

idk

[fervent sorrel]

How do you even disarm the traps of terror?

I swear sneaking doesnt work

Do you have to walk over them while sneaking, or like click on them while sneaking?

[tiny grove]

sneak over then

just sneak up to the purple spike

[peak dock]

Sneak and walk into the snare

[strong flint]

i'm 100 seconds away from haunted mask

i'm never doing this again

[fervent sorrel]

3stx of the upgraded shards.... Yeah sounds pretty painful

Im surprised the price is only 15stx ish for the mask tbh

[strong flint]

the minigame is fun so many people are going for it

[fervent sorrel]

Considering the jewel itself used to be 3+stx, and it only costs 3 shards

The price is bound to drop significantly though with how easy it is to get shards

[strong flint]

yep there are many grinds to this

[fervent sorrel]

Idk, maybe 1stx affter the update?

[strong flint]

i had to do partyfinder because everyone hates me 😭

[fervent sorrel]

Lmao

ah word filtered

[strong flint]

now only thing left from event is broken soul

which you can buy from that spirit island

[fervent sorrel]

After playing hundreds of games, aint your soul already broken?

[strong flint]

no like the item

[topaz pollen]

genuinely, i have never been able to find the cause of this bug

[fervent sorrel]

I play a very annoying playstyle tbh. I basically only play risky when Im not injured, and when Im injured Im just running just outside the range of the spirit or camping in spots that are giga safe

But then again, thats also the playstyle of linny

So.... Its allowed

[topaz pollen]

wtf is this. oh wait my recent change messed things up didnt it

[strong flint]

you know the invisible guy
it bugged when i stunned him the same milisecond he uncloaked or whatever he does to become visible again

[topaz pollen]

funky

[gleaming tusk]

died on the lilypads, became fish

[topaz pollen]

i did notice

[glossy mist]

this happened to someone in my game but he got outsomehow

[tiny grove]

/killing or dying again gets u out

[boreal gulch]

I assume others have already reported it but the scythe is omega broken, the spirit placed it at 1 exit and went to the other, activated it and hit people in the corner