Official Banish the Beyond Feedback Thread

[gritty aurora]

it's more for distractions

you run in front of a spirit as they swing it'll probably cause a second of confusion

[brisk burrow]

i find it funny that this could just be worded

After an exit gate is opened, gain 10s of invulnerability for every health you still have.

(Admittedly stronger on lone soldier but if you can't make it out with 30s I'm kind of embarrassed)

[tiny grove]

I see it as more of a meatshiekd thing to revive another player

but invul goes away when u do anything but walk anyways

[brisk burrow]

WHAT THE FUCK

I WANT ALL OF THESE

[gritty aurora]

tbf lone soldier could abuse it for annoying

[rugged scaffold]

I think i should report this here but uh i was spirit with another guy and we both had 2 kit somehow ? was fun but not supposed to happen

[brisk burrow]

We are aware and trying to figure out what is causing that

[lyric shuttle]

its caused by a bug

[brisk burrow]

https://tenor.com/bDQip.gif

[rugged scaffold]

Someone /killed because the game was bugged and we couldn't hit them too xd

[brisk burrow]

Also known

[hollow hearth]

Dual spirit mode when !

[rugged scaffold]

Soon hopefully :p that was chaotic and fun ngl

i had a crossbow + the panic zealot thing i think ? i'm still relatively new to this mode

[twin condor]

Its not fool eater

[lyric shuttle]

Cope

[twin condor]

Why am i coping

[lyric shuttle]

It watches you and has pounce

[twin condor]

Lexnt literally said its not fool eater, fool eater isnt dead. Its also not fool eater skinwise nor lorewise

[lyric shuttle]

Resource pack fail

[twin condor]

Sounds like youre the one coping here

Seethe and mald

[lyric shuttle]

Whenever you kill someone it says "Fool" in chat

[twin condor]

Proof

[lyric shuttle]

On the ceiling

[twin condor]

Up where

[lyric shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/gullible-gif-23847583

[gritty aurora]

i just assumed krolbut

or however you say his name

[twin condor]

Maybe

[brisk burrow]

how do you go from big canine creature whose primary colors are purple and blue

to a nearly completely pitch black spirit with an orange glowing face

[marble cedar]

jump fatigue can trigger even w/o jumping

how did you remove jumping before?

[brisk burrow]

wdym by this

jump fatigue has always been

and it's always been prone to misfiring

[marble cedar]

this one

[brisk burrow]

because mc is insanely well coded

[tacit moon]

the fool eaters thing isnt stalking the player anyway, the fool eaters thing is making the player stalk it so that it can catch them off guard. it wants to be noticed

[brisk burrow]

very high / negative jump height effect

removes jump height

[tacit moon]

meanwhile the Stalker is punished for being spotted

[brisk burrow]

together with no sprint = jump fatigue

[tacit moon]

surely one day mojang adds a way for us to properly disable the player's ability to jump

[brisk burrow]

exec seems pretty good and the targetting seems fine to me

maybe you had a laggy lobby?

[gritty aurora]

Maybe? I kept watching it do minor jumps

[brisk burrow]

that might be laggy

oh no

[gritty aurora]

And also blocks just occasionally blocking it out of nowhere

[brisk burrow]

this is the learning curve

but the positioning

basicly casts out forward directly the way you look

and then goes downward until it finds a suitable spot on the ground

so you can control distance a bit by looking up or down

[gritty aurora]

Yeah i just really didn't like how it'd sometimes be fine through the wall and me going up a single block would suddenly make it stop

[brisk burrow]

wdym going up a single block?

[gritty aurora]

Well not block but those head decor blocks

I'd go on top of 1 and it'd bounce the scythe projection straight back to me

[brisk burrow]

i've never encountered that

you have to be a little aware of the map layout through walls

but in general you don't need to cut off super exact points

just having the retractable line of death is often enough to get your hits

[gritty aurora]

Eh fair. Its probably my least favourite spirit though due to how technical it is

[brisk burrow]

exec has an insane chase game in pretty much every tile

i wanted exec to be a good chaser

that's a little more thoughtful and different than mael

[marble cedar]

just got camped by mael

i hate this

this is so stupid

mael's just sitting on my grave

like, i know there's anti-camp

that removes the health going down

but even still

it's really dumb

that mael can just sit there

and wait

and kill anyone who tries to let me play the game

also lighting is awful so i can't see where i'm going

i think i'm doing worse this year because i don't have wynntils and can't use gammabright

i can see my reflection because of how dark the game is

[whole holly]

Remember to type in chat if someone camps, free 2-3 wells

[marble cedar]

yeah it was known

i dunno maybe it is balanced

but it's still really frustrating as you can tell

survivors still won that game but only 1 got out

two were dead, one downed at end

[whole holly]

Btw is it just me who enjoys trolling panic zealots with narnia

intentionally stack multiple trails on lockers, trigger it, hop in 1

[brisk burrow]

tbf the difference in gameplay between sitting on a well and sitting in your grave and keeping the silly spirit busy that way is rather minimal

[whole holly]

True teamwork right there

Now imagine if u got perk points for being camped so you can suddenly revive out

[brisk burrow]

it is rather easy to bully panic zealot with anything on account of the fact of...

only a 5% speed advantage

[whole holly]

True

[hollow hearth]

How is camping even detected anyways

Never noticed it

[whole holly]

It could maybe get some help but then im damn scared of its tp

[brisk burrow]

if a spirit is within 10 (?) blocks of a grave

the grave timer just does not go down

[hollow hearth]

Cool

[brisk burrow]

so even if you're passing by a grave you are giving them a couple extra seconds

[hollow hearth]

Panic zealot is so nice now that snares aren’t totally conspicuous

[brisk burrow]

but really this only ever matters if someone is trying to get their kill by sitting in one spot

[hollow hearth]

Just gotta stand 11 blocks away

[brisk burrow]

i still think it's kind of annoying that to play panic zealot at its best you kinda need a macro

because swapping to secondary to teleport

right into main weapon to attack

is just uruhhrug

[hollow hearth]

Never had an issue with it personally

It’s just swapping slots?

[brisk burrow]

and this should even be allowable given it is limited inputs

well it's

key press triggers:
Press 2
Press LC
Press 1

you then just keep holding the weapon and when you hear a trap press the macro key and can pretty much immediately melee someone

instead of having to give an awkward short chase depending on your time fiddling with the controls

[hollow hearth]

What

This user is macroing…

[brisk burrow]

isn't it acceptable though?

It is a single input macro for 3 key presses

just instead of RLR it is 2 LC 1

[hollow hearth]

Not in a rules sense just a weird optimization sense

[hollow hearth]

Also I feel like spirits could use more power when the exit gates are available

Since controlling two opposite points on the map is basically impossible; spirit can only really win early

[brisk burrow]

well i mean

the spirit has lost

once the banishment succeeded

and the only other time you get to exit gates phase

is if spirit already dominated

or timed out

[hollow hearth]

True maybe it is fruitless

[brisk burrow]

i do think though it could be quite funny

to give spirit a last ditch boost

[hollow hearth]

Other games typically give the hunter the ability to one-shot for some time, the ability to block the exits/prevent them from being opened, or the ability to teleport from one side to the other

[brisk burrow]

teleporting is kinda very ludicrous

at any rate escaping is really only about points

[hollow hearth]

It’s not unfair, has a large telegraph typically

But yeah it kind of breaks down when the game is more about the points you get and 5 wells = win rather than who escapes or dies

[brisk burrow]

i do think you could make a point

[marble cedar]

the difference is that, when in a well, there's constant paranoia and risk of the spirit finding and attacking you

also can we pls have one more light level on bunker i can't see anything

[brisk burrow]

bug with our world edit tools

can't really easily be fixed quickly

[brisk burrow]

that it should be
Banishment = Spirit Loss / Survivor Win
No banishment + No kills = Tie
No banishment + At least 1 kill = Spirit Win / Survivor Loss

Since if there is no banishmentand no kills the effective state of the game is the same as at the beginning

[hollow hearth]

Never seen no banishment and no kills before tbh

Unless you just mean in the case that people DC

[brisk burrow]

dc are annoying

both to play with and to handle

in testing at least we had it happen a couple of times that killers were good enough to hold a 3 gen but just couldn't kill people

[gritty aurora]

Edit jump fatigue has actually hit a point where even going up slabs can now be death

[marble cedar]

the main problems with every game afaik:

• bonfire, blizzard: need too many players
• spirits: jump fatigue
• heroes: [unknown]

[brisk burrow]

heroes: just being awful to play due to people

heroes gets so in its own way

[marble cedar]

i always have fun in heroes

what's the problem with heroes players?

[brisk burrow]

the optimal farming strats

involve pubstomping and playing incredibly toxic

[topaz pollen]

no

[gritty aurora]

i kinda liked the locked in more

[topaz pollen]

i had to change it because it had issues

it displayed you in spectator in the sidebar which makes it look like youre dead

[brisk burrow]

also some of the core gameplay mechanics of it are just prone to toxicity.
Rewards being granted only on kill makes kill sniping essential, which is like the peak of annoying - reaping someone else's reward. It doesn't matter if it's tactical or not - it feels really awful when it happens to you

And due to the fact that the hero is the player that did best in the first round, the second round is really only a confirmation of their win in most cases - a team that can't stop them from ascending quickly is hardly going to have the coordination to take down the hero

Due to symmetry the game is pretty unequivocally fair

But here fairness gets in the way of enjoyability if there is even one player that is moderately better at the game than the others

[marble cedar]

what does that mean

[brisk burrow]

you get a lot of score for kills

so just killing people ends up providing a lot of currency

and you are actually incentivised

to not ascend

and instead just max upgrade and keep killing people to stop them from ascending

[marble cedar]

i don't know how often i've won as hero
i think there has been good chances of comeback in my heroes rounds
honestly i wonder how good bftb comeback is, fire phase sorta just drags on

[brisk burrow]

that gives way more currency per time because it's so much easier to kill people once you have the advantage and can keep them from getting upgrades

first phase is kind of there for flavour tbh

[topaz pollen]

this isnt the thread for this

tbh

[brisk burrow]

yeah

[marble cedar]

yeah i've noticed
i used to play by grinding the mobs but the amount of currency you get and the need for kills to ascend means that really you're incentivised to kill everyone you see

i still find heroes p. fun

but i am somewhat good at playing it and don't know how frustrating noobish play would be

[brisk burrow]

it's not even noobish - if you're not the best of the party, you just kinda get curbed

at any rate this thread is about btb

we'll cross the bridge of heroes problems when we get to it

[marble cedar]

fair

it is good to talk about the problems pre fest because it's disorienting when they're constantly rebalancing through the fest

but this is btb

i've not been doing the best so far

but i am rusty

balance might be biased towards spirits

or maybe i'm struggling with the light levels

[oak geyser]

btb is as goated as always

[carmine sentinel]

would it be possible to have it so that a player can choose to be the spirit? im setting something up with my friends and having to restart the game every time someone doesnt get the spirit is a little annoying

unsure of how to differentiate pfinder parties and pre-made 5 person parties tho... so idk howd thatd go, if it went at all

[rugged scaffold]

game has ended 100 time 😭

Shit didn't stop for like a minute

[lusty phoenix]

but has the game ended

[topaz pollen]

i want to maybe add a way to opt out of being spirit permanently. i just couldnt find a good way to put that option into the lobby

where its noticeable thats what it is

[carmine sentinel]

id love this!!!

[marble cedar]

ask the guy without the skull face

[tacit moon]

originally there was gonna be a way to choose not to be the spirit last year but it didnt get implemented because it was a pain to make

an opt out in the lobby should be easier to do based on what little i know

[carmine sentinel]

EXECUTIONER IS SO BROKEN 😭

[tacit moon]

as in op or as in literally does not work

[stone elm]

I need a 5person premade one day

[carmine sentinel]

op

[stone elm]

To all get wells to 90%

[carmine sentinel]

the sheer range of that character is uncanny

[stone elm]

Let spirit reset them abd repeat

[carmine sentinel]

and the fact that they arent slowed when the scythe is thrown makes it SUPER easy to hit it consistently, or bait ppl into it

[carmine sentinel]

unloading the chunk seems to close any open gate at the end of the game, not very preferable if you ask me

[topaz pollen]

mm

youre not meant to be able to unload chunks at all because it despawns tiles

so being able to do that is.. concerning

[brisk burrow]

The range?? Executioner has less than 2/3 the range of mael

[carmine sentinel]

it still felt insane. super spammable too

[brisk burrow]

i do share the experience that executioner can pubstomp lobbies if you know what you're doing much like mael

but executioner to me really doesn't feel that much crazier than any of the other chaser spirits

[rugged scaffold]

Yes it did after a bit

[gritty aurora]

20 block range

[tiny grove]

the sycthe only does dmg when the exe pulls it back right?

[topaz pollen]

it deals damage when it is stationary as well

after like 0.5s of landing

it only doesnt deal damage when being sent out

[hasty cobalt]

Never seen this message before

[tiny grove]

/kill

[hasty cobalt]

Also is there a limit to the amount of score you can gain from powering wells? Or can you not recieve score from powering wells that were unpowered?

[topaz pollen]

theres a limit

[tiny grove]

everything has a limit for points I think

[marble cedar]

you can get points by repowering wells

[dim oar]

We want lantern back

Even if not for the entire guiding but rather when u get there so it points you when ur near

[marble cedar]

what is lantern

the scavhunt?

[dim oar]

Also please make just the ghosts have their funni models from the start that mf was invisible to me under mount Wynn because of all the white that is there. A silly blue ghost would stand out anywhere

[marble cedar]

the soul models vanish if you fast travel btw that's a bug from last year
tp scrolls still allowed too idk why

but also this is for banish the beyond

and not the scavenger hunt

[tardy chasm]

why do blockades make you get jump fatigue

[tiny grove]

fr...

at least stairs r much better now

most of the time....

[tardy chasm]

fix this pls

its so annoying

when you are escaping the spirit and then you cant bc jump fatigue

[topaz pollen]

yeah i plan on doing this

[dim oar]

Oh lessgo

[young sphinx]

Day by daylight sucks please fix

[marble cedar]

what

please clarify what you mean this sentence is meaningless

[young sphinx]

Banish the beyond and dbd are the same concept

[gritty aurora]

yes and this game is more fun

dead by daylight sucks but this is pretty fun due to less toxicity

[marble cedar]

i know that banish the beyond is basically wynnified DBD

but you explain exactly nothing about what is bad nor do you explain which one you're referring to

[young sphinx]

That’s crazy

[inland hornet]

would like to request it not being possible for 3 wells to all spawn on the west side of bunker

it is comically difficult for survivors to power those wells if 3 are spawned there

[tiny grove]

I think you are meant to communicate with yo teammates if a buncha wells r grouped together to prevent a bad 3 Gen at the end bt it is really annoying regardless since the spirit can just camp those Close by wells

[gritty aurora]

and tbh how tf are you meant to communicate? direct messaging EVERY alive member is a tall order if you're all alive

[tiny grove]

I just say it directly in p chat buh idc if the spirit knows
if the spirit sucks and wasn't going to protect the wells earlier they either r easily baitable or jsut bad
and if they were somewhat good at the game they would know to camp those wells anyways imo

my wifi is hella bad rn btw all Mt messages r really delayed

[tardy chasm]

can there be a forced tutorial

i want my teammates to heal me

[tiny grove]

I just have a macro that explains how to heal me

I told lexnt to add a chat popup if someone is injured and holding a stabilizer and shfting

[twin condor]

Cant you just msg em or send a message in party chat

[tiny grove]

a little annoying to do that

[marble cedar]

also, any moment where you're chatting is a moment where you're immobilised and can't run from the spirit

so you can really only chat while in well or locker

or dead

[tiny grove]

ehhh just type fast or do it while powering a well that's what I try to do

[timber oak]

when I tried executioner something bugged out and I wasn't able to use their special attack for the whole game.

[whole holly]

🔥all i want is a cheese

[topaz pollen]

has been fixed since you tried it

[marble cedar]

same here, ruined my first round this year because my special was useless
typical

[twin condor]

What the scallop occured

[whole holly]

They decided to throw a game or idk, mildly annoying

(I still got the cheese)

(Yes i was hiding inside the locker and bro decided to camp without checking )

[hollow hearth]

Terror snares on slabs are completely hidden :o

[brisk burrow]

good design actually

[tame prism]

uhhh

My ping is usually like a max of 500

but this game

kills my wifi

maybe make it less laggy?

[solemn olive]

I kinda have to agree with this take on the screenshot. At least part of me agrees with it. Idk

[tame prism]

this was in the building map, the outside one has less than 1k ping

[twin condor]

Huh theres text? i thought that was removed

[hollow hearth]

Only if you're close by/sneaking

If you're just running around you're not gonna see it

[solemn olive]

assassin (vanish) and archer (ranged attack) are a bit op

a bit too op*

[tiny grove]

this is so real :3

[solemn olive]

PLEASE let us disable the "music" part of the sounds in the minigame...

I want to hear only the heartbeat and NOTHING else

the "music" part is SO annoying

[topaz pollen]

it already makes the music quieter when the heartbeat is playing

[solemn olive]

the music stresses me out, I literally feel the physical stress in my throat from it

the heartbeat is fine though

[topaz pollen]

i believe if you /toggle music it will disable the ambient sounds but not the heartbeat

[solemn olive]

doesn't seem to work

for this

[twin condor]

Idk what happened but somehow we lost the game with "No survivors remaining" when there were still 2 survivors alive

[lyric shuttle]

btw the forest map is still impossible if 2 wells spawn in the middle next to each other

problem from last year

[tender crest]

sometimes you get 2 of each survivor item which leaves you bugged and unable to select a perk

[whole holly]

if u doubleclick to play it might do that yeah

also seen someone get survivors and spirit

[topaz pollen]

fixed on our end

[topaz pollen]

you need to coordinate a bit to not leave those 2 wells for last but yea its not ideal

[lyric shuttle]

if the spirit camps 2 wells next to each other its gg

like the whole game

[topaz pollen]

goofy

[tiny grove]

this area in woods is very prone to having really bad 3 gen moments

cuz u can have these 3 wells / two of the shown ones and brdige, or + pit or maby pit + church + the one in bottom left

prob would be fine with 2 people but is so sweaty to pull off esp in pfinder i feel
like its prob doable but not happening in pfinder for a week or two

[topaz pollen]

@ruby adder maybe you have thoughts on improving this

[ruby adder]

ill take a look at it

[tiny grove]

i rememebr last year u guys made some wells unable to spawn next to each other

were these not some of the wells

?

[topaz pollen]

thats still the case

but i forget which ones

[wicked frost]

Apparently if you /kill while dead you come back and can walk around and be a distraction, not sure that's intentional

[brisk burrow]

Silliness with /kill is known

[wicked frost]

also double well?

[static sierra]

Anyone seen the vermin in a game? Im probably just very unlucky

[marble cedar]

presumably the same glitch as when sometimes you're talking to an NPC and suddenly there's a dozen of them on the tile

[wicked frost]

There was also double spirits, double perks, and double game timer

it was weird

all survivors died and the game softlocked

[marble cedar]

??

[tacit moon]

sounds like the game just double started somehow

goofy

[valid wharf]

i havent played the minigame since yesterday, but did yall fix it so people cant leave the party after starting a game? it bugged the game last time and the spirit had to leave the game to end it

[wicked frost]

The spirit's power to drain the wells so fast is actually incredibly powerful when there's only like 3 left, they can just run between and keep draining whatever tiny progress was made

[gritty aurora]

There's kinda a counter but it relies on you getting all the well upgrade perks which is not reliable in the slightest

[wicked frost]

that's also kinda luck kek

[gritty aurora]

yeah, you can get the perk that increases speed for however much spirits have damaged that well, and probably also the speedier well when heartbeat is up

[oak geyser]

erm

[brisk burrow]

Did you know that the spirit has been released?

[oak geyser]

hmm i think it might've been a tad quiet

other funky things happened that game, like there being 2 spirits and the game thinking there was 2 games happening at once

very normal stats at the end

[topaz pollen]

yes

[valid wharf]

Very cool

[heavy quest]

banished both spirits, failed to escape either of them

[tiny grove]

ideally you don't get a bad 3 Gen and have your wells spaced out at the end, but pfindee is not very smart rn so :3

Last year concord fallacy and the 20% speed boost wasn't in thr game but u could still cuck the spirit by just choosing the right wells to power most of the time

[topaz pollen]

yeah some of the new perks are made to soft counter bad 3 well layouts

they dont solve the issue entirely (im unsure its possible to fully do so..) but i think they succeed at what they do

we could still have it be better, though

[velvet lotus]

Would it be possible to not end the game if the last survivor is downed, but has a self revive perk?

Could be fun for some clutches, or if your team refuses to help you and escapes instead

[topaz pollen]

ive had people ask me for this

im hesitant to do it

[velvet lotus]

🥺

[topaz pollen]

because it means dragging out the game a ton for a lone soldier

besides

invulnerability doesnt work when theres only 1 survivor left

[solemn olive]

ye don't do that

[velvet lotus]

What if it only worked if a gate was already open?

[solemn olive]

the spirit can just camp you

no point

[velvet lotus]

Or it works only once?

[topaz pollen]

idk i could maybe consider it if the case is like

you were already downed

and then the last other survivor gets killed or escapes

[solemn olive]

but isn't that dev time?

[topaz pollen]

no?

its me time

[solemn olive]

then great

[topaz pollen]

but im also unsure if i want to do it

[solemn olive]

although that would make lone survivor a bit op

but not too much meh idk

[velvet lotus]

actually, does escaping give you extra points?

[topaz pollen]

it does

i did want to add a penalty for escaping with players still downed

[velvet lotus]

just had my 2 teammates ditch me, despite a gate being open and me being a lone survivor :withering:

[topaz pollen]

yeah

[velvet lotus]

also the reason why I decided to ask if that feature could be possible lol, it felt a bit silly

[solemn olive]

hmm decent point

[gritty aurora]

yeah i feel like there should be a penalty for abandoning downed survivors

[heavy quest]

clearly not an all or nothing operation.

[topaz pollen]

the self-revive thing is tricky because theres a lot of edge cases

[gritty aurora]

I love it when every player goes "either this person dies or we all escape, no inbetween"

We all agree, someone stays at gate. And the rest are being a nuisance for spirit just to save the 1 downed player

[topaz pollen]

if i come up with a good way to communicate a penalty for escaping with downed players then ill add it

[velvet lotus]

maybe a chat message when a gate is opened while someone is downed?

[heavy quest]

would also be nice to have a slightly easier gauge of who is downed
I know the party list kinda does that, but it's janky with lockers and stuff

[wicked frost]

game broke again, this time because someone disconnected mid game, 0 players alive but game didnt end

[topaz pollen]

did it send a message in chat that they left

[wicked frost]

somewhere up here yes

[topaz pollen]

hmm ok

will look into this

[wicked frost]

[topaz pollen]

were they downed when they left

or alive

[wicked frost]

alive

[marble cedar]

my idea for autorevive downeds:

• when downed player is last left, and can autorevive, they do so immediately without needing to wait remainder of cooldown, but they lose the ability to revive again
• when multiple downed players and no alive players, all with autorevive have it fire as this (assuming escape phase)

[marble cedar]

tzelofachad...

[random bronze]

i got so many perks the menu bugged (over 5)

[tiny grove]

me wheni hard carry fr

[topaz pollen]

yea ive been told

ive added support for up to 7

[topaz pollen]

yeah i wish we could do this, but i havent found much of anything that could work. besides i guess another boss bar? there are too many of those already, though

[hollow hearth]

Could left click with stablizer to display the current status of everyone?

Just printed to chat

[topaz pollen]

uh could do but i just got finished making stabilizer left click alert nearby players that you want a heal lol

[tardy chasm]

why does it feel impossible to win as survivor compared to last year

[brisk burrow]

well last year the early days were also kind of hard to win lol

the playing demographics shift over the duration of the event

towards the end there's gonna be more survivors who know what they are doing

and at the beginning a lot more people are trying it out and admittedly weighing their team down a bit

[topaz pollen]

we have some changes planned to make survivors have more of a chance

[tiny grove]

yeah agunast a good spirit it feels kinda cooked in pfinder

[hollow hearth]

Dang... just had a game where someone abused /kill and ghosted all game

[carmine sentinel]

this shit is the corniest thing ever istg

[topaz pollen]

will be fixed soon

[carmine sentinel]

i also got trolled by this as spirit, its SO frustrating to chase people (who for some reason have trails!!!) just for them to be spectators 😭

[topaz pollen]

the changes to death in 2.1 messed up the on death shit :/

[carmine sentinel]

🙏

[topaz pollen]

i think the trail stuff checks if youre in adventure mode so yea makes sense

[hollow hearth]

Tbf you can ghost without the /kill thing

Also makes sense 2.1 death would do that

[carmine sentinel]

yeah but with the /kill thing you can see the other people making you think theyre alive

[topaz pollen]

yea in retrospect it does, we just didnt think to test it

[tame prism]

A couple bugs I found: if you swap lobbies after you die you still keep your book and stabilizer and /kill is really bugged.

[shy vine]

jump fatigue shouldnt slow your speed for so long after you jump especially since it happens with stuff like going down stairs

[strong flint]

not sure if this is a feature but as a spirit you can check if the spirit well is damaged or not by paying attention to the flying cube rotation speed

maybe make it spin at the same speed

[strong flint]

and when survivors interact with a damaged spirit well (to fix it) it blinks in the spirit vision
i don't know if both of these can be fixed

reaper/death (whatever the scythe spirit is named) has infinite range with his scythe throw, that makes him able to camp both gates at the same time
maybe add a range cap or nerf his speed even more when far from his scythe

rat burrows take too long to break and i'm 90% sure they don't save if you cancel
since the rat is so fast it's just not worth to mess with them

[timber oak]

I feel like the spirit wins a bit too often. It's hard to figure out exactly why, but it's easy to win as spirit and very difficult to win as survivor.

[ruby adder]

harassing the burrows is like the best way to counter vermin

[ruby adder]

i think part of this is cause its much more likely to have a new player on survivor team than spirit

[topaz pollen]

this one unfortunately cant

[strong flint]

minigame is pretty fun and never feels repetitive, it has some unbalanced stuff like the scythe spirit but any good party can overcome that
has crazy soundtracks
rewards are pretty good (15/5s mana regen, -99% hp useful for fallen builds, haunted mask looks cool)

only bad thing are the people that only wants to play as spirit and will quit if they don't get selected

[topaz pollen]

funnily enough disconnecting actually makes it so you cant be spirit next game

[strong flint]

i'm yapping too much i better stop

[topaz pollen]

no youre fine

[strong flint]

oh really? that's good to know

[topaz pollen]

id like to add a way to permanently opt out of being spirit

because i know there are people who dont like playing it

[tardy chasm]

that 99% item is useless on fallen because you need to be holding your weapon to be in corrupted

so you swap items (lose corrupted) and then if you activate corrupted you have no corrupted and no health

[strong flint]

didn't know about that, i've never played warrior after class archetypes update just heard people say it
still +15/5s mana regen is good

[tiny grove]

it's still good for rage builds but those r not as common anymo

[tiny grove]

also u can still power the well without being hurt when the scythe is out plus it takes some time to set up

[shy vine]

you can do tech to make it work but its not worth the time

[tiny grove]

locker upate?

it also does this now

[tiny grove]

also scythe setopped wrkign for a friend of mine rq

ok yeah it seems bugged

just makes a fishy sound efffect when right clicking

[topaz pollen]

oopsie

[tiny grove]

how much slower do wells lose power per attack stack

also seems hard to convey to the player easily what the stacks mean

[lilac sorrel]

They nerfed Stalker, thank god

Although I think giving it only 5% walkspeed than the regular 10% is kinda too much xd

[tiny grove]

it isn't meant to be a chase spirit I thinks

meant to play more sneakily for funny one taps

[lilac sorrel]

Maybe adding back the Heartbeat while the Survivor is 10 blocks near the Stalker

Well this ofc for the Hunting state

0 Heartbeat during hunting phase without any warning for Survivor is crazy scary

Literally got jumped multiple time

[gritty aurora]

You have to be paranoid for stalker thats the counter

[ruby adder]

youre meant to be looking around for it while youre on a well

[gritty aurora]

Heck woods go in f5 mode and cover everything around

[lilac sorrel]

That's what I did

Got pounce

I checked all my directional and still got jumped

going scizo

[tiny grove]

tbh well choice also matters for countering some spirits liek that
like choosing to do bridge well on woods last instead of doing the tree well directly down the stairs from it last

[lilac sorrel]

true

[tiny grove]

I haven't fought enugh good stalkers to rllyknow tho

[gritty aurora]

Tbf bridge is actually better against stalker

[tiny grove]

yeah that's what I'm saying

easier to see plus juking on stairs for funni

[brisk burrow]

I like how the 5% stalker nerf will probably still leave it pubstomping lobbies until like halfway through the event

[gritty aurora]

The worst area is anywhere with long sight

[tiny grove]

every spirit will be a noob killa in the right hands and wrong lobby..

[gritty aurora]

Lets be honest most stalkers are gonna be ones who don't even use the crouching thing

[lilac sorrel]

Also I know what Im going to say is not a thread or feedback but

[tiny grove]

for nkw yeah

[lilac sorrel]

Why is there no perk that fix blockade

[tiny grove]

too op

progably

or it'd have be to hella slow to the point where it's not worth mabye

[lilac sorrel]

give it a cooldown that will work

[tiny grove]

I think dbd has a perk like that tbh

but I don't play dbd so

[gritty aurora]

Dbd has the pick up undestroyed ones

[tiny grove]

ah ic

yeah that could be silly

can we pin this image btw

[lilac sorrel]

wtf

[tiny grove]

I can get an image without the names either

[gritty aurora]

But it takes a while and you are VERY vulnerable

[lilac sorrel]

Ya'll got a map

[tiny grove]

wve had since last year

lower well is the only outdated thing

[lilac sorrel]

Oh also some people are complaining that powering well is way too damn slow

[tiny grove]

and som new tiles mabye

[lilac sorrel]

I mean It is but aint that bad no?

[tiny grove]

eh I don't see this one

[lilac sorrel]

I mean you're supose to power together

or solo it

• we have concorde facil

[tiny grove]

depends on situation type shi

lexnt can we get the exact numbers/comparison to old numbers of the new well decaying thing

[gritty aurora]

Soloing gives more points but takes longer

[tiny grove]

better ij the beginning or if the spirit is getting looped and u have less people alive or smth

[gritty aurora]

I do solo plenty of wells tbh. But I'm pretty defensive about it. Doesn't work in the late game if its only 2 survivors

[tiny grove]

sometime it's also better to have pressure on two wells at once at the end tho

[lilac sorrel]

Btw how does that perk work

where if spirit is closer you boost 20% faster

[gritty aurora]

Just as soon as heartbeat starts

[tiny grove]

if they are in heartbeat range u get boost I think

[lilac sorrel]

Does it like increase even more when It get even closer

[lilac sorrel]

yea ik that

[gritty aurora]

I feel like premonition would buff it

[lilac sorrel]

^

[gritty aurora]

No its always 20%

[lilac sorrel]

it does I think

[lilac sorrel]

aw

would be so good if it boost more the closer the spirit is

second floor camppnig

[gritty aurora]

No because it'd literally be useless in most areas bar 3 specific wells

[topaz pollen]

its like roughly 0.8x decay rate per stack

at 8 stacks its 5x slower

the spirit also deals 10% dmg to the well at base on hit, which goes down by 1% per stack

with 0 stacks its like 1% lost per 1.6ish seconds

[sweet reef]

I encountered a weird condition where party finder found a match right after my party started the game. The perk selection ui and the party finder ui were fighting for dominance every frame.

[lilac sorrel]

Ah

Same here, only happen when I click my mouse too fast right before entering game

[whole holly]

for whatever unholy reasons ive gotten network errors as i became a spirit, missing out on the fun :( only happens randomly so i cant reproduce anythin

so yeah, im the opposite ig

[gleaming tusk]

executioner not getting a speed nerf is criminal

it already has range it dont need to be usain bolt as well 😭 and stalker didn't really need a speed nerf either it was already a fine ws just needed a nerf to hunt like maybe a stupidly small heartbeat range as opposed to 0 or smth maybe

[topaz pollen]

from my understanding a big reason exe was super strong was bc you could instantly kill someone by using regular left click attack & then pulling the scythe through them

[gleaming tusk]

well yeah that as well but also the ws paired with it having good range on the scythe is also a huge pain

also from experience the line of sight req to stun stalker just doesn't work cause they can just immediately kill you anyways

[topaz pollen]

it should prevent them from attacking

if being actively exposed

[gleaming tusk]

doesnt seem to but i am on an old server atm

[topaz pollen]

mm thats not a new change so it might be bugged

sigh

[gleaming tusk]

but twice now while im looking at them & have the eye icon it doesnt stop them

[topaz pollen]

ok ill make that better

[gleaming tusk]

im sure it used to stop them as well i remember but yeah it doesnt seem to rn

🛐

[topaz pollen]

what it does is

it prevents them from attacking/pouncing if they have 300ms out of the 1.5s needed to fully expose

im gonna just make that so if they have any then they cant attack

[gleaming tusk]

fairs, i think pounce also eliminates the req

[topaz pollen]

it doesnt

well

[gleaming tusk]

so they can pounce for free while being looked at

[topaz pollen]

expose doesnt stop a pounce thats already charging

but it does prevent them from starting one

[gleaming tusk]

ah that's... a little silly

[gleaming tusk]

is it difficult to implement a survivor chat btw? would be a cool idea but idk how practical it is to implement

[topaz pollen]

it is a bit difficult

theoretically possible but there are a few issues with it that make it not something i feel is viable for this year

[gleaming tusk]

yeah makes sense for sure

the new addition of using the thing to tell people you need healing is a good help tho

[carmine sentinel]

https://medal.tv/games/minecraft/clips/iSnId11Bpzo0DtmwI?invite=cr-MSxsWjQsMjcxNzU1MjA4LA

dunno wtf happened here

[topaz pollen]

is this an old world

[carmine sentinel]

4h 52m

[topaz pollen]

this is something that should be fixed with the latest patch

m

i see the totem

so it is a new world

thats frustrating

[solemn olive]

certain spirits (stalker, executioner, maybe vermin and definitely the vanish one) are too op

some have crazy combo and crazy speed, other just crazy speed but still

[solemn olive]

agree

[gleaming tusk]

i think taken and keeper could do with a slight buff, esp keeper, but taken's locker exit cooldown is crazy long ngl

[solemn olive]

taken is the weakest

[gleaming tusk]

i think keeper is weakest

especially on bunker, but even on woods ive never had an issue with it

[topaz pollen]

if you hit someone with the darkness tendril you exit instantly

[solemn olive]

20 blocks is like nothing

anyway

how do you even disable the slow mode with the taken?

once I get into the slow movement mode I have no idea how to disable it

[gritty aurora]

slow movement mode? what do you mean? You mean when you need to tp to lockers?

[topaz pollen]

you tp to lockers

[gritty aurora]

Say that when all the gens tend to be near lockers

Like you can make it hell for the last few survivors just by patrolling them

[solemn olive]

so here is the deal.. I had a hard time even entering lockers

idk

I clicked and read everything

everyting possible

[gleaming tusk]

were you trying to tp out of range

taken does have a range limit

[solemn olive]

I just tried to enter a locker

so I can tp

or

do the attack

[topaz pollen]

? no it doesnt

[topaz pollen]

you enter the cloak state (rmb(

[gleaming tusk]

it doesnt? cause it felt that way when playing

[topaz pollen]

this makes all lockers glow

[solemn olive]

yes I did that too

[topaz pollen]

you left click while facing one to tp

[solemn olive]

and still couldn't enter a locker

[gleaming tusk]

i couldnt teleport to lockers too far away it just didn't do anything, but when trying closer it worked fine

[solemn olive]

most of the time

sometimes it worked somehow

[topaz pollen]

hm

[solemn olive]

idk what is the exact way to enter a locker on that spirit

[topaz pollen]

odd

might be some hitbox shit

its not meant to have a range limit

[solemn olive]

if I get a taken again I might just go and test it out for the sake of it

[topaz pollen]

it really is just as simple as

rmb to enter cloak state

lmb to teleport

[carmine sentinel]

idk how this is happening 😭

[gritty aurora]

i think issue is the glow effect range sucks. (curse you minecraft)

[topaz pollen]

ah but see theres something in place

[gleaming tusk]

oh yeah the 2 spirit thing is annoying

[topaz pollen]

for this

i thought id fixed it

its happened bc somehow two people are clicking on the same tick im pretty sure

[gleaming tusk]

i havent had it recently but yeah it was a pain before

[topaz pollen]

but theres SUPPOSED to be no way for that to happen

so im genuinely stumped atp

its only a thing this year

didnt happen last year

but nothing changed

[gritty aurora]

maybe it was a thing last year but never came up?

[topaz pollen]

i doubt that

[topaz pollen]

when youre in cloak state, it physically moves all locker models further than 48 blocks away to be within that range so theyre visible

rat burrows also do this when youre traveling

[solemn olive]

oh wait.. so you cannot enter a locker like a survivor can, you can only teleport to it and then attack?

[gritty aurora]

ah fair, i'll try see it again because i kept jumping between lockers just to move around

[topaz pollen]

no you cannot

[solemn olive]

so that was the problem

that is not at all clear

from any description

[gritty aurora]

is it not?

[gleaming tusk]

i just switched lockers somehow but now both are occupied... by me

[topaz pollen]

fascinating

[gritty aurora]

wonder what happens if they search the other locker

[topaz pollen]

can you tell this game is held together by duct tape

[carmine sentinel]

they find you. had this bug happen before

searchign either locker kills the player

[gleaming tusk]

damn

[topaz pollen]

is it a thing of

clicking both at once?

[gleaming tusk]

nope

[topaz pollen]

maybe?

[gritty aurora]

you can just jump lockers can't you

[solemn olive]

it is not

[topaz pollen]

you shouldnt be able to

[gleaming tusk]

i narnia'd into one, right clicked tome to check perks, and ended up in the other locker

[gritty aurora]

it never explicitly says "jump inside a locker"

[topaz pollen]

ah narnia

[solemn olive]

yes but

[gritty aurora]

it just says you can tp to them

[solemn olive]

if you never played that spirit yet

you would assume that you can enter lockers due to the special attack

like any survivor can

[gritty aurora]

even when i never played it i worked out quick "oh i just tp to lockers." tendril came later

[solemn olive]

and now someone got stuck in the lobby

hm

[gleaming tusk]

UHHH

two spirits and everything is broken gg

i did /kill and i think i triggered the domino effect of the century

[gritty aurora]

is it 2 v 10?

or 2 v 3?

[gleaming tusk]

2v3

[gritty aurora]

aww that's cruel

[gleaming tusk]

stalker and wanderer and we can attack and everything

[gritty aurora]

running from the stalker right in to wanderer

[gleaming tusk]

stalker also has the vermin burrow for... some unknown reason

[gritty aurora]

... XD that's just unfair

[thick stump]

Permission number #4 **.sm utility disable ** is preventing this action.

[gleaming tusk]

there's also blockades in the walls so map hasnt loaded properly

[gritty aurora]

so a broken match

[gleaming tusk]

moment

i broke hella stuff

[solemn olive]

just leave the game and join another game

[topaz pollen]

this is a double game bug

[solemn olive]

I guess

[topaz pollen]

where the game start got triggered 2x

[gleaming tusk]

yeaahh

[solemn olive]

yea this happens when you [redacted]

no bug share : p

[topaz pollen]

its the one i cannot figure out how to fix

[topaz pollen]

can you dm me this

[gleaming tusk]

not sure if i knowwhat triggered it for sure but i did do a thing to try fix it and i think it made it worse

[strong flint]

that's a fun bug

happened to me, if you manage to pick everyone gets double perks and you become 2 spirits

however the map bugs entirely i've seen 3 spirit wells in the same place

[silent sapphire]

is vermin meant to always get jump fatigued when exiting tunnel???

like theres a travel time already then an additional time until u can run normally

[strong flint]

it just happened to me

i'm almost sure it happens when two or more people click the start button at the same time

scary

[marble cedar]

oh that's a great mechanic

[marble cedar]

i'd say you should have the opt-out but also a method by which the party can vote on who gets to be spirit before entering the game

[marble cedar]

woa

[strong flint]

so scythe guy is broken (scythe won't throw) and i heard people saying they can't tp with terror/panic zealot after their snare explodes

[ruby adder]

🤨

[topaz pollen]

too much work, and too difficult to set up the decision for the party to vote here

just have everyone except the chosen spirit activate the idol

[tiny grove]

assuming they just aren't used to new tp keybind

[tiny grove]

this is notreal buh

[solemn olive]

not anymore, nerf to speed bonus came

[tiny grove]

vanish one takes so long to come out of cd

jit is the worst one

and he has obvious as Balls partickes

wwll obvious enough

it's like grey smoke particle

[static sierra]

Please add a menu like raids have for confirmation if youre ready

[gritty aurora]

the amount of times i've finished a soul well as he's coming out of invisible is quite funny

[lilac sorrel]

Ok what's the point of Jump Fatigue really

90% of my game is literally getting random jump fatigue from walking on slabs

or walking down stairs

[tiny grove]

so u can't sprint jump and become very fast

[lilac sorrel]

then disable jump lmao

Like I can't keep getting killed because of jump faitgue randomly

[tiny grove]

jump fatigue is the scuffed disable :3

slabs and stairs aren't as bad anymore

[lilac sorrel]

no its not

half of my gameplay is getting jump fatigue

[tiny grove]

the main false triggers I get are from barricades now tbh

[ruby adder]

🤨

[tiny grove]

you are now fish

wait nvm that got fixed aww

lone soldier 3 max hp and perma injured 💀

do the self healing abilities work on lone soldier btw
assuming not

[lilac sorrel]

yes tealy

also the bug where you double revive is still there

[worthy island]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1174916886245429268/1294887386307629156/ezgif-7-5d90e7e905.gif?=&width=1151&height=671

[marble cedar]

they can't

they would have if they could

do you think ct is the stupid

[tiny grove]

yesnt!

[gritty aurora]

disabling jumps is impossible

the only way (that i think got removed by mojang) was via HIGH levels of jump boost but all that meant was you got a speed boost every time you tried to jump

[ruby adder]

i wish CT had thought of this

[upper galleon]

Maybe I played The Keeper wrong, but it feels like both maps don't have nearly enough open space to utilize that 32 block range

[gritty aurora]

if you've been doing ok you can turn the exit gates in to death traps

like last 2 surivvors suddenly have to be very careful not to get sniped

[tiny grove]

it's def fine on woods but on bunker it really shines on blockades the corridors and the like 3 open rooms

[heavy quest]

"Lockers are now airtight."
haven't played in a moment. uh. what does this mean.

[gritty aurora]

someone genuinely thought i was gonna go for the blockade so hid behind it. Was very surprised when i started shooting them

[tiny grove]

pond the open area next to pond ig and the stone area

[gritty aurora]

you can't hide forever probably

[upper galleon]

I'm betting lockers won't let you stay in there forever

youll run out of air

[tiny grove]

40 sec timer ue

refills kinda slowly

[heavy quest]

yeah
that seems like a valid change

[tiny grove]

from what I've heard

[gritty aurora]

i got sick of people hiding in lockers

even as a survivor.

[tiny grove]

esp as a survivor

[gritty aurora]

Like "you're letting your teammates die to just camp me out? seriously?"

I think it happened 3 times where the survivors were literally hiding in lockers entire time, weren't even doing soul wells.

[ruby adder]

we made the game too scary

[heavy quest]

in before the new Oxygen Tank perk that removes the locker camping penalty

[brisk burrow]

dw if anything

a starting perk choice would be to reduce locker oxygen to 10s

[ruby adder]

wont do this, but ive got an idea for one that extends it + some other stuff

[brisk burrow]

for all others

[ruby adder]

for next year

[brisk burrow]

peak trolling

[brisk burrow]

(this is unserious btw)

[gritty aurora]

most i stay in a locker is like 20 seconds, and that's more dependent on how spirit is

[lilac sorrel]

well

[heavy quest]

it's a perk since it helps your teammates be more productive!
(they immediately die due to unfortunate circumstances)

[brisk burrow]

we're off to a great start

[lilac sorrel]

no hate but some of there are, but those are like in the past kekw

The game is tweaking again

[heavy quest]

some
other
stuff

[tiny grove]

silly double start

[lilac sorrel]

Wow

2 spirit in my game

[random bronze]

same

wait we are in the same game

ok so we have started the game twice somehow so we have 2 different killers

[lilac sorrel]

yea

[random bronze]

also

we couldnt pick any perks at the start either due to the menu lagging

so it picked for us

[lilac sorrel]

2 stalker game

dont I love it

[upper galleon]

During early game and mid game, picking people off gets tricky with the movement debuff - gates are nice and open but rest of the game feels whaxk

[gritty aurora]

i honestly more use crossbow for shooting down hallways.

[random bronze]

2 impostors

[gritty aurora]

like quickly loading then firing

[random bronze]

😭

[gritty aurora]

i'd still rather play stalker/taken but keeper has some use in bunker where it's hard to dodge

terror also... exists? I play it and i'm just like so meh about it about this point

[random bronze]

terror is good

on bunker for example

[gritty aurora]

yeah wood's it's just, i can turn only a few areas in to death traps

I think at one point i just trapped the entire church to chase people in to there.

[lilac sorrel]

me when the game is doing "extra features"

[topaz pollen]

you dont need the full range. its just there so you dont have limits on it

[topaz pollen]

oh this is an oversight

[silent sapphire]

Yayy

I tested it though it's not the random hop it forces you to do

I put a tunnel in a 1.5 block tall space

Still gives you fatigue

[topaz pollen]

odd

it probably is the hop still

[silent sapphire]

O k

[strong flint]

gui scale: ultimate+

[harsh widget]

after getting revived my pets are here

@topaz pollen

[lyric shuttle]

Hide inside the yeti

[harsh widget]

xD

[glossy mist]

the idol to turn off spirit is so broken im ngl

[wicked frost]

:o I noticed there was changed to the game, is there a changelog for this?

[inland hornet]

yes

[brisk burrow]

It's always in the noticeboard

[wicked frost]

Ah, thank you, didn't see it before

[inland hornet]

say whats the airtight thing mean

is it preventing me from locker spamming

[topaz pollen]

to an extent

you have a timer for how long you can stay in a locker, which recharges gradually when outside

[inland hornet]

oh wait no so its the opposite

[topaz pollen]

if it hits 0 you take damage

[inland hornet]

what i mean is like lets say you have 3 lockers next to each other

and the spirit is right there

you can just spam entering the 3 lockers

its very funny

[topaz pollen]

thats probably a bug

it lets you enter a locker while in a locker already?

[inland hornet]

no

like i hop out

hop into another

in like 0.1s

(not that fast but y'know)

[topaz pollen]

oh yeah thats fine

[inland hornet]

the funny

[inland hornet]

also uh im not seeing the snare of power patch

or the locker bandage patch

is that here yet or nah

[topaz pollen]

it should be

[inland hornet]

alrighty

[topaz pollen]

oh

i forgot to add them to the notes

but yeah both are fixed

[inland hornet]

i assume that also means locker vines is patched then right

that one extremely specific edge case

[topaz pollen]

yyyyeah i think so

[inland hornet]

pog

[topaz pollen]

i forget if i did that but i remember looking into it

so i probably did fix it

[inland hornet]

eh it was the same thing as locker bandages basically

[topaz pollen]

a bit different

[inland hornet]

so if you fixed one the other prob fixed itself

i mean the resulting bug was the same at least

[gleaming tusk]

i think i can now perform a surprise strike

it spammed this every tick

[topaz pollen]

yea

we should have pushed a fix for this

[gleaming tusk]

pets also dont seem to be fixed either

[topaz pollen]

so itll be on new worlds . eventually

thats a different issue i need to look into

my fix doesnt seem to have worked

[tiny grove]

:3

[topaz pollen]

this is actually a nerf to surprise strike. you see, we on the wynncraft content team think it is TOO STRONG. so to balance it out, it now floods your chat and is generally annoying. we hope this improves the banish the beyond experience

[gleaming tusk]

ohhh thank u this is a good fix thank u guys for the continued efforts

[heavy quest]

you can now no longer see while preparing it, therefor making it harder to gauge where the spirit is and making it less likely to get valuable use out of surprise strike.

[topaz pollen]

correct!

[brisk burrow]

i think next year we should add a perk that queues the several hundred lines of bread enthusiast dialogue into your chat

with dialogue slowness

[inland hornet]

have it also display it in chat

so you have to both crouch while not being able to see chat

[heavy quest]

locks you in place and requires you to shift through it

[inland hornet]

also killer can hear the dialogue ticking

[wicked frost]

Looks like the spirit that uses the scythe thing can no longer throw the scythe, source: me and some guy i saw who couldnt use the scythe

[inland hornet]

have you considered pfinder

[topaz pollen]

we should have pushed a fix for this onto newer worlds

it'll take a few hours to get everywhere

[wicked frost]

ah

[inland hornet]

wasnt that patched in the last changelog tho

[tiny grove]

was broken in this changeover lo

changelog*

[topaz pollen]

something got messed up with the push

[brisk burrow]

crusty ahh tech

[gleaming tusk]

yeah exec is also bugged af again rn 😔

[tiny grove]

mael supremacy...

[tame prism]

I can't hear the wanderers appear noise but everyone else in my party can, the only music setting i have muted is the normal minecraft music

everything else is full

[tiny grove]

did u toggle off sound

in wynncrsft

[gleaming tusk]

can you make it so when dying on a ladder it places your grave hitbox at the bottom and not at the point you died cause it makes it so people cant revive you properly

thats two games b2b ive gotten killed in a bugged spot and people cant revive me cause they cant read when i tell them my grave hitbox is not where the grave itself is

also the range of terror seems to be bugged too, it is most certainly not 4 blocks melee range right now

[topaz pollen]

its already meant to do this

im unsure why it doesnt

[tiny grove]

smh 2.1 bugging out btb should have just made the entire game btb

[gleaming tusk]

it shows the grave there but you cant heal it from there

[topaz pollen]

ik

grave has gravity. but its not meant to be able to mark the grave pos midair

[gleaming tusk]

yeahh

[topaz pollen]

alright, found and fixed the issue

[tame prism]

nope

[hollow hearth]

Can confirm

:((

[hollow hearth]

Wanderer doesn't make any noise on unstealth now?

[tiny grove]

ain't no way....

you must be pulling my leg

[hollow hearth]

It's actually real

Doesn't make any noise

[tiny grove]

the silliness wanderer must go thru to be meta

[desert niche]

he does not

he now uncloaks silently, so if you dont see the particles he just appears nearby suddenly

played a game with him like that earlier and he's SO much better

you hide around a close corner and start uncloaking, hold sprint while it goes and youll uncloak when you're right next to them

[hollow hearth]

Is it not a bug?

It's not in the changelogs

[desert niche]

afaik no

[hollow hearth]

And is also op cause doom

[desert niche]

idk why it isnt in changelogs

[tiny grove]

buh

[desert niche]

i dont think its too op garvan was pretty ass before

[tiny grove]

Last year on btb garvan was in a similar spot and was deemed too op iirc
altho mabye we just sucked balls back then

[topaz pollen]

this is a bug

the sound was meant to be made quieter but it just doesnt play rn

[desert niche]

NOOOOOOOOO

[topaz pollen]

i also forgot i made this change which is why its not in the notes

[tiny grove]

ok cool

[hollow hearth]

Yeah I think they're in a pretty alright spot

No need to make it completely silent

[topaz pollen]

yeah

[desert niche]

garvan is like the only bad spirit 😭

[topaz pollen]

i think it being quieter is a good middle ground

[tiny grove]

how long is uncloak btw

[topaz pollen]

3.5s

[tiny grove]

womp

[topaz pollen]

yea

[tiny grove]

it's prov still fine for patrolling and learning the map

just uncloak around a corner orbsmth and u wil stil get people off guard

(not in the middle of a well)

[fervent sorrel]

@glossy mist idk if you were still looking for the thread, but at least it looks like its here.

[tiny grove]

tbh should just be pinmed

pinned

someone ping shadow fr..

[fervent sorrel]

Alright, my biggest issue with BtB apart from the bug where the spirit is invisible (not the ones that can actually become invisible, but the ones that are supposed to not have that ability), and how sometimes hindrances and lockers are invisible, would be:

Some of the buffs are significantly stronger and weaker than the others, and some feel very inconsistent.

Take narnia and the surprise attack buffs. Both of them are extremely strong, however there is no visual queue for the player that times down the effect, so a ton of players (myself included) get very annoyed when a lagspike hits or when they are found at 4.9sec instead of 5sec where the effect takes action. A countdown would be extremely helpful with this, and could also make it so that players can time it better.

Other buffs are straight useless, like the sacrifice one. Why would you ever sacrifice hp for another player unless you are teaming with them and they are on 1hp while you are on 3, or you picked up +2 hearts but now cant heal up? These situations are too niche, and Id rather want a buff that can be more universally be used. Same with giving other people vision of a well you charge by 25% UNTIL it is 80%. First of all people basically never look at what wells are visible to begin with, but also it stops at 80% where it can actually be good to give other people information. I get that some players can use the information of the well disappearing from their vision as it is now over 80%, but still this is also too niche and will not see play for more casual players.

[tame prism]

please buff essence i get 6-9 per round trying my very hardest to get as many as possible

[fervent sorrel]

But other than those, the gamemode is really fun and I wish it was up for more than 1 month per year

[tame prism]

and its taking so long to get crystals

[tiny grove]

having filler buffs is fine imo, just too many of them is bad

[fervent sorrel]

I get on avg 10 per round, and thats being conservative. You should be able to average 12-15 if you just survive and do the objectives consistently, or kill a bunch of players as the spirit

[tiny grove]

the sacrifice buff is niche enugh to be gold

good

[fervent sorrel]

The issue is that the buffs are straight up filler buffs. They are so giga niche that they are just annoying to get any value out of

[tiny grove]

also there's more perk selection now so I haven't felt it be too annoying yet

[tame prism]

i frequently get out fast because the spirit always finds me

[tiny grove]

womp

it's the beginning of the event and a lot of sweats from last year r coming bac

[fervent sorrel]

Also, I noticed a bug where I would be stuck in the 450 point range and not getting any more from charging wells... Until it later shoots up when I heal someone or revive them

[tiny grove]

so it is kind of a skill issue:3

[tiny grove]

not a bug, every action is capped for points

[tame prism]

havent you ever thought about people who arent sweats and how annoying it is to go up against them

[tiny grove]

it's easier to fight against a good spirit than against a competent party

[fervent sorrel]

How are players supposed to know that, and also why have caps? Am I supposed to stop charging wells when Im in endgame because I was too good at charging wells earlygame?

[tiny grove]

yeah I get that
if you just want spirit essence u can make a party to farm essence

[fervent sorrel]

Seems silly to get punished for playing well

[tiny grove]

theres still a lot of new players in pfinder u can re queue with

[tame prism]

im not saying they should get punished

[topaz pollen]

to prevent farming

farming the same action indefinitely*

[tame prism]

im just saying points for time survived would be nice as i can survive a long time if i try but not that and wells at the same time

[tiny grove]

and worst case scenario u can make a party with other people at yo skill leve and have fun there
but u won't get much better unless u are challenged(albeit rn it is prob much harder than last year)

[fervent sorrel]

I dont mind that spirit essence maxes out. But not being able to get more buffs is a bit tedious, no?

[topaz pollen]

you get points from more than just wells

[tiny grove]

this wil just lead to more locker camping except instead of locker camping they just hide somewhere useless