enemy resistance feels WILDLY overpowered

[shut flax]

most of the curses just increase the average difficulty of a mob, but getting too many resistance curses can actually end a run. I got up to 80% (about 5 rolls of enemy res) and every single mob was unkillable. fodder, bosses, it didnt matter, because i was literally doing 2000 damage per meteor (normal was 40000). Its just frustrating

to clarify, its because its multiplicative (i think) but like i had a total of +500% ish damage and instead of doing 5x my normal damage i was doing about 2% of my normal damage

[drifting rose]

I agree, but 84% of resistance is the max and it takes 7 resistance curses to reach, each one is 12%

[shut flax]

max should be at most like 50

again, the game is unplayable above 60-70

[drifting rose]

depends if u got a ton of boons, u can continue, but normally its a game over

[shut flax]

boons dont matter, as unless you get up to a whopping 10-11x damage boost from them you would still be doing less damage than the start of the run
and to compete with base mob scaling you needa get way more powerful than that
leading to you needing like 10-20 damage boons to compete with 84% res in late challenges

[obtuse mica]

boons outscale resistance curses very easily

[shut flax]

uhh what? i got up to 600% ish damage boost and was doing 4k per meteor. I wouldnt call that very easily

it took 3 minutes to deal 250k dmg to a destroy challenge

[drifting rose]

you need much more boons tbh

if u are at 72/84%

[shut flax]

its unrealistic tho

nobodies running around with 50 boons

also to clarify again, I had equi, i just got unlucky with the curses i got, so my run ended

[drifting rose]

yes, thats why u normally don't stack up curses until u are ready, of course that can happen regardless if u are unlucky

[drifting rose]

equi is horrible in 2.1, don't bother with it

[shy folio]

equi may be the worst mission in 2.1 right now, not even joking

[shut flax]

the problem is if equi is horrible then how is it possible to outboon the res curses lol

[drifting rose]

hoader is a good one

plus materialism of course

[shut flax]

fair

[shy folio]

don’t do long runs, simple. hoarder helps a lot, but short runs are usually better anyway

[shut flax]

btw im mainly talking about how disproportionally scaled the res curses are compared to the other, ik the meta is all weird

[drifting rose]

I just did a 100/100 run, hoarder/materialism really helped, I was destroying everything despite the 84% resistance.

[drifting rose]

thats true, the max resistance could use a nerf

[shut flax]

ye like keep in mind without that res you would be doing abt 10x the damage

[normal frigate]

if u are doing long runs u want to run disco in your build and have hoarder chronokenisis else its not worth doing 100 challenges

[split oak]

Wow people still doing lootruns?

[brave beacon]

another instance of DPS being the most important stat

[sly ore]

compromising solution: decrease it from 12% to 10% per stack, and set the max. resistance to 70%

[shut flax]

honestly my take is that it should be completely removed, because it just dosent fit with the design of every other curse making the mob stronger, instead of you weaker

(also even that solution is still wildly strong)

[graceful wren]

70% means it takes just under 4x damage to kill it

[shut flax]

ye thats kinda wild

actually now that im thinking about it res is even worse because of the scaling problems it brings up
say you do 100k damage
with 70% enemy res you would do 30k
with 84% res you would do 16k
literaly double damage just with the reduction of 14% res

[sly ore]

that is doable

[shut flax]

maybe yes but it makes your lootrun 4x as slow

[sly ore]

not 4x as slow, not at all

it makes taking down the mobs 4x as slow

[shut flax]

yeah
and for everything except defense that affects the time for like 90% of the total lootun time lmao

[graceful wren]

have you considered not taking as many curses

[shut flax]

thats the only real option at this point, which is why its bad

[graceful wren]

wynncraft players when curses make the game harder (its too hard for them now)

[shut flax]

💀

[graceful wren]

like idk you are also supposed to take boons so you have the ability to deal with the curses

it sounds like you took too many curses without taking boons

[shut flax]

but this argument isnt that valid when you need a 1000% damage boost to keep up with the 84% res since you got unlucky

[shut flax]

just to get to where you are in the beginning

[graceful wren]

worth noting that you only need it once

the resistance cannot increase further

and if you get stuff to remove curses youll be better off from there

[shut flax]

true, but res is still stronger than every other curse

i think youre forgetting im not saying curses are too strong, just that res is way stronger than every other curse

[graceful wren]

i understand that, i however dont feel like its as big of an issue as you consider it to be

i can understand bringing it from the current max to maybe 75% but it shouldnt be reduced more

[obtuse mica]

1 killstreak boon is 800% dmg

[shut flax]

I feel like its not an issue for most runs, but its rly just rng based
cuz ive had multiple runs ended just because i happened to roll to many res curses

[shut flax]

to specify, i went from 50% res killing things easily to 84% like 2 challenges later not being able to kill fodder mobs

[shut flax]

and if those 3 or 4 res curses were health curses it would only be slightly more difficult, not reducing my damage by a further like 50%

[twin ruin]

I think this is the whole point of enemy resistance

[graceful wren]

yeah lmao

[obtuse mica]

like yeah tbf i didnt like when they reduced it from 90% to 84% either, because without resistance curses there isnt any curse that makes you ever consider whether you should or should not take the purple

because every other curse is practically meaningless

so if resistance was just as neglible then like yay free purple stacks

[twin ruin]

if anything just limit the amount of resistance curses you can have early on so like you can only have up to 1 in the first 3 challenges, up to 2 in the first 6 and so on

[ornate bear]

reduce both the curse and boon numbers drastically pls

[hexed roost]

I guess the "nerf equi" camp got what they wanted.

I've wondered if mob resistance would be slightly more balanced if it decreased elemental damage taken allowing one to potentially pierce through it with neutral damage.

[mystic wharf]

i think the better option would be to reduce enemy res per curse (e.g. down to 6%) while still keeping the cap

[daring oyster]

resistance is actually infuriating when you get it

And new lootrun is already annoying as it is

[twin ruin]

lootrunning is still crazy money

[molten hull]

critical% dex boon, problem solved

[astral mulch]

it's the worst of the endgame money activities

[twin ruin]

you mean best

[astral mulch]

no i mean worst

WEs can net 34-36/hour, raids can net 30-32/hour

(not counting annie btw)

lootrunning, aside from it being the most RNG-based activity, only nets an average range of 24-28/hour

[obtuse mica]

but i can get an epoch in 30 minutes

[astral mulch]

Sure, you can. But it's an average of 2500 pulls per mythic

The RNG is huge and, if you average it out, lootrunning loses big in terms of money making activities

[tired onyx]

Well yeah but you usually don't lr unless the pool is good anyway. So if you're averaging the price of mythics you need to always include a high-end mythic (or even two)

It's a conditional activity

[obtuse mica]

like its just pool dependant

like yeah lring is shit when there are multiple landmines in the mythic selection, but if you get an absolutely insane chest theres just no way it loses to anything

like i can very realistically do 700 pull 30min runs rn, so thats about 1h45 for a mythic, and like thats not even taking into account sacrifices which speed it up so much

and corks are about 1/3 the rarity of real mythics in the chest, and because you do short runs if you see an early cork thats a +2stx moment for practically no work

[ornate bear]

Assuming a pool of 2 corkians and short 1 hour ish runs, id say u can get a corkian every 2 runs easily, netting >1stx per hour

And thats excluding other mythic drops 🤓

[obtuse mica]

^tbh yeah, its just way better

[fathom fable]

🤨

[twin ruin]

someone doesnt know how to lootrun properly

[astral mulch]

Maybe? I made a killing off of lootrunning but that was before Rekindled

Back then you could net a mythic per hour without much fuss

[twin ruin]

lootrunning is just as efficient if you do it right

[sly ore]

partial deviation from the thread (also it is the most efficient end-game money making activity, not the least efficient/worst).. that said, because lootrunning is already crazy money, resistance should stay in the game, just be reduced to 10% each tick and 70% max, that would be a great solution imo... that way you cannot get through the runs in a breeze but they will still be difficult enough.

[daring oyster]

lootruns should not be hard they should be brain rot like old lootrunning

[astral mulch]

they already are

[twin ruin]

70% is doubling how easy it is lol

[fathom fable]

They are still brain rot

[daring oyster]

nah lowkey you actually have to plan stuff like how much time you have left, risk management on beacon choices and not getting rolled over by curses that are annoying af

i just want to follow the path and open the silly chests until purple pixels but no, gameplay

[obtuse mica]

sometimes i just go for the fastest chall even if some other beacon would be better

[sly ore]

no just 1.5x easier

[sly ore]

that is literally what lootrunning is right now, except for getting the missions part but you don't even have to think about that part once you learnt the pattern

the only 2 things you have to watch are challenges left and time but that is easy

the learning curve can take some time for some

[obtuse mica]

2.0.3 was peak lr knowledge, but ive already started to adapt again in 2.1

knowing cycles was so fun

[fathom fable]

I genuinely do not look at my screen half the time

My brain melts trying to lr

[daring oyster]

yeah well once you get the ball rolling its pretty brain roty but the rng setting things up its just annoying af

[fathom fable]

yeah on your first or like 2nd lr ever its not really annoying after

[daring oyster]

New gen "lootrunners" smh 😮‍💨

[fathom fable]

Gang i been lootruning before the lr update

[daring oyster]

my apologies gng but i had to let em know 🔥

[fathom fable]

Np slime

[mystic wharf]

uh no, ur going from dealing 0.16x of the original damage to 0.3x

that's a 1.875x damage increase