Trance's purpose when lightbender gets nerfed, i did a poll this time

[mint finch]

That's it, I'm done

[compact rune]

if I'm comparing riftbender to tstack and hmelee how serious can it be

[mint finch]

My master baiter rank has lasted a grand total of 4 hours

[fervent garnet]

Shaman does not struggle with accuracy whatsoever, what? Aura is a HUGE hitbox. And sharpshooter is far far easier to land hits on than Ophanim. Projectiles move way faster and you only need to land one hit on Arrow Storm

[compact rune]

This is a foxxo thread how is anything here real

[mint finch]

I pass the crown with pride

[lofty osprey]

This isnt even true

[sand rivet]

You need to throw totem first

[fervent garnet]

I literally play shaman wdym

[lofty osprey]

Ophiam does not move like a fucking slug bro

Especially with aspects and entropy

[mint finch]

Lightbender has to be strong because playing with balls is fun

[compact rune]

I mean sharpshooter has penta shot with homing, let's be real it's easier to land than ophanim

[fervent garnet]

No, but the hitbox for it is also tiny as fuck. You can literally miss Ophanims on target dummy point blank

[mint finch]

I love swinging my balls everywhere

[lofty osprey]

Shaman is literally is restricted to totem

[sand rivet]

erm geocentrism

[lofty osprey]

Heres the thing bosses have larger hitboxes 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[lofty osprey]

Talking about spell

[compact rune]

Who the fuck uses spell sharpshooter

[lofty osprey]

Me

[sand rivet]

Actually hold on, there's an idea. Make small bosses with tiny hitboxes

[compact rune]

Ew

[lofty osprey]

Goat spring 🙏🏽🙏🏽

[compact rune]

Also twains arc is a pure skill check, literally land your shots there is near 0 rng

[mint finch]

Fruma will have the rodent of unusual size

[lofty osprey]

Easier said then done

[fervent garnet]

Acolyte + seeking totem + The conversation was about how easy it is to get top DPS, and the main issue being with accuracy. You can't argue that "rift walker struggles to get top DPS because they have to teleport out of the way" because that's a universal issue with all class, that choosing mobility means you sacrifice DPS in that moment.

Shaman struggles with chasing enemies down but the radius they have around totems is fucking enormous my guy

[nimble root]

hopefully no one that shit is ass

[compact rune]

Sounds like a skill issue

[sand rivet]

wait

[lofty osprey]

Seeking totem is not that good bro

[dusty root]

😍

[sand rivet]

how are you getting Seeking totem with acolyte and WHY are you getting seeking totem

[compact rune]

Merch below uses it

[lofty osprey]

Bro said seeking totem that shits 45 meters behind you

[nimble root]

😂

[compact rune]

https://tenor.com/view/wynn-wynncraft-seeking-totem-no-morph-morph-gif-26955345

[lofty osprey]

Its enormous but limited to a single area

[mint finch]

Boring gameplay, but you're surrounded by balls, 10/10

[fervent garnet]

It's pretty fucking good actually. Infinite awakened, seeking totem, aura speed node + aspect + invigorating wave. You get 100k DPS using Absolution

[compact rune]

Recast totem:

[fervent garnet]

No crafteds

[lofty osprey]

If the boss moves from that area tour dps goes down tremendously ex. Orphian

[fervent garnet]

Nope.

[lofty osprey]

You lose dps once it leaves range

[compact rune]

Then kite the boss into it

[lofty osprey]

Wdym kite boss into it its a team mode

[sand rivet]

Have you tried kiting Orphion

[lofty osprey]

The boss doesnt always aggros you 💀💀🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[sand rivet]

he runs fast idk

[fervent garnet]

1.) kite around your totem
2.) seeking totem speed got buffed
3.) aura speed is near instantaneous. Bro is NOT dodging that aura wave when you cast it

[compact rune]

Yes, you sit in a corner with the entire team

[lofty osprey]

Have you actually tested seeking totem post buff

[compact rune]

learn coordination

[lofty osprey]

You know thay was the first thing i tested its fucking ass cheeks

[compact rune]

ok this slow mode is kinda fucking ass

[sand rivet]

do you just not deal with crystals

[fervent garnet]

Yes. That's why I'm literally advocating it. I used it in TNA when allies didn't want to kite around totem

[lofty osprey]

Its too slow

[compact rune]

Usually we send one guy to go kill crystalline

[sand rivet]

how...

[lofty osprey]

I dont think ive ever seen it catch up to me

[compact rune]

Hmelee shade can solo all crystalline

[lofty osprey]

I literally used it with sunstar i was outside vengeful spirit radius

[fervent garnet]

I agree it could be better but it's still far more consistent to hit Greg than it is trying to land Ophanim. Which was my entire point to begin with.

[lofty osprey]

Greg is not hard to hit with ophianim

[mint finch]

OH SHIT, FUCK

To whoever sent me my profile here, thanks, you made me realize I didn't had spare points and fucking forgot Disconambulus 💀

[lofty osprey]

I think your forgetting that fact that people kite the boss so the boss moves straight

[fervent garnet]

If he runs perpendicular to you and is at a decent speed away from you, gl 👍 that shits annoying

[lofty osprey]

And gregs hitbox is fucking massive

[lofty osprey]

Thats every class

[fervent garnet]

Depends on team + yes his hitbox is massive so that helps

[compact rune]

Eh, I've been seeing more circle strats nowadays where people kite around totem

If shaman circle strat, otherwise wall strat

[fervent garnet]

LightBender disproportionately suffers from it the most. Which was my whole point my dude

[lofty osprey]

Thats if your team is coordinated that does not happen in a pfinder tema

[lofty osprey]

Sharp definitely suffers worse one miss and your dps is gone

[compact rune]

Do not factor shitfinder

[lofty osprey]

90% of players dont got a designated team

[compact rune]

Guild raids or bust

[fervent garnet]

Very true. But that's also the entire gimmick. You could have 0 focus and still do more DPS than lightbender (assuming you have a proper build and aren't using Morph set)

[lofty osprey]

No you dont

My trift spring gets outdps by warp at max focus

Unless you use lab or div you are not out dpsong

[fervent garnet]

Spring vs Strati

Bro that's not a fair comparison 💀💀💀

[compact rune]

Problem found: spell sharp
Opinion: invalidated

[lofty osprey]

What

I get outdps by warp and trance as the dps class

With timerift

[nimble root]

bro spell sharp aint outdpsing a lightbender 💀

[compact rune]

How about try tstack or hmelee hmm?

[fervent garnet]

@lofty osprey actually Archer is op because Epoch does more damage than my Gaia lightbender

[lofty osprey]

Cause i dont like tstack

Thats not spell sharp is it

[compact rune]

Guys why does my pure bmonk with no quad bash or iron lungs do no damage

[lofty osprey]

Im comparing spell sharp to lb

[compact rune]

Spell sharp is shit compared to everything

[mint finch]

Shit build, I recommend morph set

[lofty osprey]

Why should it be its a dps class

[fervent garnet]

Ok I havent played spell sharpshooter since before Rekindled, did they fucking gut it or something? Am I out of the loop on certain nerfs

Cause I thought they didn't touch it for the most part

[compact rune]

Go run melee fallen, fallen is intended to be melee

[fervent garnet]

The fallen generalist build in question

[nimble root]

have you considered taking ssurge 🤔

[lofty osprey]

Sharp isnt intended for melee 💀💀

[compact rune]

Yet it excels in it

[lofty osprey]

Tripleshot is literally a bolt node

[nimble root]

me when base dps nerfs combined with dogshit aspects 🤯

[fervent garnet]

My HMelee sharpshooter plague build gets 433k Twain's Arc

[lofty osprey]

It excels in both look at the nodes

[compact rune]

I'm aware, sharp spells are just shit

[lofty osprey]

Yeah it does well with both

Its not exclusive for melee

[compact rune]

Twains arc beats phasing beam

[fervent garnet]

Oh. I didn't know Sharpshooter aspects were that bad. My mistake...

[lofty osprey]

Or atleast its supposed to be good with both

[nimble root]

me when phantom ray range vs grape bouncing shrap aspects

[lofty osprey]

I think your just unaware of lbs potential compare to so many other classes

[mint finch]

Wtf is this thread

[compact rune]

I think you are unaware of how shit spell sharp is

[lofty osprey]

Im well aware

[mint finch]

Mods, crush it's windpipe

[compact rune]

Then stop using it as a comparison

[lofty osprey]

Thats why ill continue to play it

[compact rune]

compare trickster to anything else and anything else probably does more

[lofty osprey]

The whole point is the dps class should not get out dps by support

[nimble root]

buddy

[fervent garnet]

I also like using off-meta builds. I don't touch Warp on mage, and I main Convergence on my warrior

[compact rune]

Let me compare the meta support build to the worst dps build

[lofty osprey]

Thats not the wholenpoint

[nimble root]

thats a sharp problem, not a lbender one 💀💀💀

[lofty osprey]

The point is that shouldnt be a thing

[fervent garnet]

Sharpshooter does seem to be lackluster.....

[compact rune]

then use an actual dps build compared to lightbender

[lofty osprey]

Lb shouldnt even be reaching sharp damage in the first place

[fervent garnet]

Correct. Buff assassin and sharpshooter

[nimble root]

you cant just take the most dogshit dps class and go "muh lbender does more??? unnaceptable"

[compact rune]

Yes buff shade

[fervent garnet]

Correct. Sharpshooter should be hitting far higher numbers

[compact rune]

Shade needs satsujin to reset on kill

[lofty osprey]

no 250k is pretty healthy

Acc its a lil less prolly 220k

[compact rune]

Also give multihit a melee scaling

[fervent garnet]

Bro light bender doesn't touch 250 unless you get powders + full winded + fortitude at the same time

[nimble root]

bro every archetype outdpses fucking spell sharp, it's not a good comparison

[lofty osprey]

Let me introduce you to warp and trance

[lofty osprey]

I wouldnt say 220k is bad would i

[nimble root]

my bad i forgot paladin existed

[compact rune]

Trance pure lightbender this guy is cooking

[compact rune]

Pure Trickster

[fervent garnet]

Lightbender Warp and trance do not reach that high.

My trance cancel stack build can reach 230k spike but it's horribly inconsistent and that's WITH tomes

[lofty osprey]

Who tf doesnt play riftbender

[lofty osprey]

Your outta the loop

[fervent garnet]

What is the meta build for trance then?

[lofty osprey]

Trance can reach 300k warp can readh close to 250k

[compact rune]

Bete noire with crabs

[lofty osprey]

That shits everywhere its not even hidden

[lofty osprey]

And gxp pants

[compact rune]

With gxp pants and like triple spell crafted accs

[fervent garnet]

That's what I'm using.

Brainwash
Bete Noire
Ornate
Crabs
Downfall x2
Lache
Simulacrum

Oh wait but I have 20 winded + Seance so that might be contributing factor

[compact rune]

Swap ornate for gxp legs
Rings and necklace for crafted

[fervent garnet]

I need the walk speed I'm allergic to anything under 40%

[compact rune]

The accessories are stupidly cheap btw

T2 mats, two lunar charms and 4 large lapis per

It'll set you back like idk 10le or something

[fervent garnet]

Also crafteds are cringe. They're very great, really strong, but still cringe imo

[compact rune]

It's stupidly cheap crafteds tho

[mint finch]

You can rename crafteds to silly names

[fervent garnet]

It has nothing to do with prices I just hate durability items

[compact rune]

All crafteds in the build is like 40le total

[lofty osprey]

But yeah like i said trance hitz 300k

[fervent garnet]

Renaming consumables is Chad
Renaming weapons is Chad

Custom named pair of underwear is questionable

[lofty osprey]

Which is kinda nutty

[compact rune]

I mean it's a dps weapon idk what you expected

[lofty osprey]

300k is kinda nurs dont tou think

[mint finch]

Ring of the Sheer Fucking Willpower For Reading A Foxxo Thread

[compact rune]

My only comparison is like 240k+ epoch tstack and 300k+ hmelee shade

[lofty osprey]

Those are dps classes

[compact rune]

Yeah but my trance is still fairly glassy

[lofty osprey]

Its not glassy

[compact rune]

Like my hmelee build has more ehp I'm fairly sure

[lofty osprey]

Theres definitely glassier

[lofty osprey]

Your hmelee class doesnt have a heal spell

[compact rune]

For the movement it has, it's pretty glassy

My hmelee class has chain vanish

[lofty osprey]

Vanish is not as good as heal

[compact rune]

Id argue better

Avoiding damage is better than healing it

[lofty osprey]

A lot of people would disagree

[fervent garnet]

I'm gonna make a proposal ring with a really sweet and well thought out Lore on it. You better accept

[lofty osprey]

Especially since shades damage is tied to being in vanish

[compact rune]

I'm aware

[lofty osprey]

Your basically useless on cd

[compact rune]

Silent killer:

[lofty osprey]

Ive seen like 20 different things in buffing vanish

[mint finch]

Brb powerleveling jewelmaking to make gxp gear named "pls buy the divorce has been hard"

[compact rune]

Oh no my vanish is gone let me just
Shift left click
Ah much better

[lofty osprey]

That doesnt work on mobs you cant one shot

[compact rune]

Then the build needs to be better

There's like 2-3 raid minibosses you can't one shot and only one raid without consistent adds to get silent killer from

[mint finch]

Btw since we wildly derailed how do I claim my VIP+ Discord rank

[compact rune]

Forums

[mint finch]

Uuuuuugh

[lofty osprey]

Im talking about the boss

[tawdry osprey]

wdym support wand
lmao

[fierce surge]

It is cursed but you can get 6 marks flowstate weightless

[compact rune]

Chain vanish via adds

[simple wyvern]

we're not trying to drive you away, we're just all confused why you have said "i quit wynn" like 20 times since 2.1 released and still havent actually quit wynn

[tribal folio]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-toby-the-cat-nod-yes-yes-yes-hooman-gif-17105827

[simple wyvern]

the ghost pinger

[quasi wind]

Because whining about a game you dont play is a great way to spend time

[simple wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/job-job-application-jobless-gif-2757097081210871087

[molten rapids]

True I totally agree with you. Trance is boring, lb skill issue archetype and Hero is good

[rich moon]

your vote matters let your voice be heard #1290111204387324007 message

[mental flame]

o7

[native spruce]

Except I have?? Who's more delusional me or everyone who keeps saying I haven't quit

[half chasm]

i am here to voice my opinion that trance should've had a timelock id instead of boring winded fixate everytime i use it i am sad

[frank shard]

more than me btw

[tribal folio]

when are we banning foxxochan for various unfair reasons

[native spruce]

Agree completely, trance is such a mess

It's never going to be used for it's intended purpose if it keeps boosting winded

[modest fox]

lightbender is inescapable and ruining my life. every time i log in, i'm just watching them glide through content without effort, while i'm putting in actual effort.

[simple wyvern]

how do you see that

Also if you quit a game that should say atleast 1 month imo

Then you can come back here and there but you wouldnt be on basically every day if you have quit a game

[frank shard]

fuy.gg

[simple wyvern]

oh, i dont use that mod anymore

[frank shard]

/fy om <guild> or /fy pg <player>

multiple discord bots have stuff to do it as well

[simple wyvern]

oh wait yeah thats playtime

.....90+ hours in the last month, "quit" my ass 💀

[native spruce]

I was rolling the new heavy melee bow hurricane recurve to see how it performed

It was decent

But it's unusable because it isn't meta lightbender bullshit so like, it's still worthless, I was trying to find some fun but there is none to be had

It's hard to stay playing wynn

[frank shard]

ok ok ok

i have addressed this multiple times now

[simple wyvern]

You see if you quit the game you wouldnt do this, maybe youd ask someone else to do it for you

[frank shard]

something not being meta doesnt make it unusable

[simple wyvern]

but you wouldnt log on just to test

[frank shard]

something not being lightbender doesnt make it unusable

[native spruce]

No one else wants to becau they're too busy abusing trance with lightbender

[simple wyvern]

and also yeah.. youre always overreacting, just cause you do 150k dps instead of 200k dps doesnt mean its dogshit and you should quit the game and you should hate everyone who says its "bad" and that IMs should go die for not nerfing the one playstyle you dont play etc etc

[modest fox]

ackshually 🤓 this is false because lightbender is significantly less effort so therefore everything is trash and unusable and lightbender players steal my aspects

[simple wyvern]

ackshullay toxo is meta cause it takes 0 effort cause all you do is left click once per 3 sec and do 100k poison ticks so its actually meta and everything else is trash actually

[native spruce]

It feels incredibly discouraging being outdone by a healer class

[frank shard]

that still doesnt mean its unusable in the slightest

discouraging sure

[simple wyvern]

guardian can get 120k

[frank shard]

not unusable

[simple wyvern]

if you try, so uh thats a thing also

[modest fox]

so true bestie im so wrong, toxo needs a nerf because why should i use anything else when someone can do 1/2 of the effort to do my damage?

[simple wyvern]

and nothing is truly unusable, some people use nulli, that mythic is barely worthy of the title of being a mythic, yet it still performs good enough

[frank shard]

nulli is actually pretty good now cause of the ele defs

its one of the more tanky assassin weapons with 2.1

[simple wyvern]

well heres the thing, not a single player in the game cares about ele defs

[frank shard]

people definitely should now that a majority of mob damage is elemental

[simple wyvern]

cause ele defs make a very tiny difference honestly

[white dirge]

HEY :(

[simple wyvern]

i can have 2000 water defence and still get 3 shot by a water enemy

or i can have -800 water def and get 2 shot by a water enemy

like theres no real noticable difference

[native spruce]

Boltslingers who can only attack in very tiny hits:

[simple wyvern]

please make ele defs matter i am very interested in them being worth something but aint no one actually care as they are currently

[white dirge]

well, that's because elemental defenses play with chip hits

[frank shard]

i think that is a difference between dying to neutral damage and dying to neutral + elemental

[white dirge]

raw ehp deals with more general big hits

[vast cargo]

ironically we are talking about this in ask ims

[simple wyvern]

one day dev time will dissapear and my banger idea of a major ID that revolves around ele defs will make it into the game..

[vast cargo]

wtf

[simple wyvern]

so many IMs love the idea but it cant be done cause dev time

[white dirge]

if this is about inverting defenses into damage

[simple wyvern]

slight smile thats me, i made this idea months ago, cry

[lofty osprey]

Real

[quasi wind]

Womp womp

[whole jungle]

Hear me out, arcanist tree needs to switch place with lb tree

[dusty root]

arcane transfer is way too specific not be on either side of the tree

if anything, lightbender and arcanist both use Winded super super well. riftwalker should be in the middle of the tree

[whole jungle]

Yap, i think arcanist still need more dmg nodes, like lightbender same, riftwalker now will focus on withering down mobs (aka, weaker winded bonus dmg, but greater weakness and maybe even cripple or defense cripple), and arcanist will get more ACTUALL DMG NODES

Ffs why the only dmg up of arcanist is +40% meteor dmg at the fucking start of the tree (no, ice snake is not viable dmging spell)

[dusty root]

an arcanist buff wouldnt involve completely reworking the tree just to put arcanist in the middle. there are definitely better, less time costly methods of giving arcanist more of an edge over lightbender and somewhat riftwalker

also calling a counter argument yap is a little crazy

[whole jungle]

Ppl say riftwalker lacks identity, i say make winded be more debuff/criple focus then "dmg up" , it also make sense, riftwalker tied to time, winded makes mobs "age" and wither away

[dusty root]

who says riftwalker lacks identity? this is the first time ive ever heard someone say that

[fervent garnet]

I'd a like this because then light bender would just heavily cripple the enemy instead of doing more and more damage

[whole jungle]

Then ya make timelock just rapidly use all winded on mobs trigger rapid time-accelaration, kinda acting as assassin knife + blood sorrow (rapid dmg as diffrent attack, initaited and dictated by stack value)

[mint finch]

How I feel when someone ignores my argument with a dismissive joke (their minds are frail, their bodies are weak, they shall perish in a ceaseless void of their own creation)

[minor atlas]

i said that before

somewhere

[whole jungle]

And boom, riftwalker now focus on crippeling while still getting good option for dmg, trance benifit A LOT more

[fervent garnet]

Me when someone takes arguing with little kids seriously instead of buffing assassin

[minor atlas]

yeah arcanist is meant to be a dmg dealer so it having more access to winded makes more sense

[high mango]

Okay why not rift in the middle, arcanist doesnt work with lbender so why not that

[fervent garnet]

Better option

[minor atlas]

because lightbender is op

[high mango]

Okay?? How does this relate to rift being in the middle

[minor atlas]

so lightbender has harder access to more winded

[high mango]

All this does is make lightbender unable to get arcanist stuff as easily which it already barely works with

[dusty root]

arcbender might be the archetype combo of time

[high mango]

Or you could just make lightbender and winded not be as op(riftwalker needs changes anyway)

[fervent garnet]

LightBender Left
Rift Walker Middle
Arcanist Right

Make damage nodes in right leaning so that light bender can't access them as easily, like Seance
Make debuff Rift Walker nodes left leaning so that Arcanist can't touch them unless they sacrifice a lot of damage

[minor atlas]

winded alone is not op, lightbender just syngerizes very well with it

[high mango]

AND

Lightbender AND winded

[minor atlas]

oh yeah they could just straight up reduce the dmg increase u get from winded orphanim while changing the tree to lb left, riftwalker mid and arcanist right like u2 said

[high mango]

Change rift to work better by itself and work less good with just slapping it on

[fervent garnet]

You can get some pretty high damage numbers with it but you also have to remember that all the damage is concentrated into a single target. It happens to do well in raids because "big enemy with huge hp bar" but it sucks overall in anything else imo

[high mango]

For example making rift have more in depth gameplay and at the same time have the nodes needed for that deeper into the tree so the surface nodes are nerfed and full rift is more rewarding

[fervent garnet]

Wdym, you don't like pointless and shitty Time Lock?

[high mango]

Seeing as bosses are where its easiest to optimise damage i think thats pretty significant(ik less good in lootrunning and stuff but that has stuff like destroy and tankier targets)

[mint finch]

Problem being Riftwalker makes no sense and fits no niche atm

[minor atlas]

ive never gone full riftwalker before i dont even know what the last ability does lmao and its been 2 years since the update

[mint finch]

What does timelock even do, btw?

[high mango]

Part of the issue is rifts nodes being being half + damage on winded for its spells

[minor atlas]

i think it puts u in place and does something idk

[high mango]

Infinite mana, cant be moved, damage boost. For a short amount of time. Iirc at least

[mint finch]

Why not lock your HP as well?

[high mango]

Doesnt fit tbh. Would be a nice buff but also just, kinda random

[fervent garnet]

I think Winded should lean more into the devitalize aspect, and thus lightbender gets mostly debuff nodes.

Rift Walker gets a mix of debuffs and self-damage bonuses

Arcanist gets straight up "kill shit faster" with abilities like Fragmentation: Meteor explodes into smaller debris, hitting anything within the vicinity or something like that idk

[mint finch]

You take the damage once the effect is over and all that jazz

[high mango]

What sorta debuffs would rift give tho

[whole jungle]

Basicly what i suggested

[fervent garnet]

Slower movement speed over time that ignores CCI (Winded LITERALLY means out of breath)

Enemy does less damage to all allies not just yourself

Enemy armor is reduced for all members of your party

Etc etc etc

[minor atlas]

well.. first 2 are just slow enemy and weaken enemy identifications

[high mango]

Enemy armour??

[prisma badge]

like armour breaker

[high mango]

Slow is.. okay ig? Ignoring cci is kinda wacky imo

Deals less damage will either be really minor or youd need to make winded a lot harder to spread

And damage boost same thing

[minor atlas]

would be cool if u can outrun greg without a ton of walkspeed

[prisma badge]

slow wouldnt do anything, devit is already for everyone, enemy armour is just... why

[fervent garnet]

Btw Time lock

• Absorbs all winded around you, up to like 40 points I think
• Makes you float into the sky
• Gives infinite mana
• All your spells do damage to enemies as if the enemy had however much winded you have (basically you do the 40 winded DMG bonus to ALL enemies regardless of their previous winded amount)
• Lasts longer the more winded you collected before activating it.

Problem is, unless you use macros, you're actually getting a net DPS LOSS from using it because of the amount of time spent trying to build it back up again

[fervent garnet]

Like reduce their defenses yeah

[prisma badge]

*even if you macro

[high mango]

What im asking here is what is that etc etc etc. because apart from those 3 theres not that many good debuffs. And those 3 are kinda meh(in terms of interest)

[fervent garnet]

Increasing slow effect that ignores CCI so that it's permanent in TNA and Greg can't just run you down. Would genuinely be such a strong support

[prisma badge]

this would only be good in premade parties

[high mango]

It would be really situational. Either op or useless

[mint finch]

Rework all archetypes to black mage, white mage and green mage

[fervent garnet]

I'm thinking of stuff that actively functions in game already, but I'm leaving it up to interpretation instead of just "do more damage over time"

Like imagine if winded prevented enemies from casting spells once you hit a certain cap?

[mint finch]

Damage focus, healing focus, utility focus

[high mango]

1 thats a pain to code
2 mechanics should always elevate or interact with enemy mechanics, not disable them imo.

And again due to application method its very situational.

Because youll either kill the enemy before that or the enmey becomes utterly useless for the rest of the battle

[prisma badge]

that would just be a gimmick still

wouldnt actually fix the archetype

[high mango]

My issue with rift is the input, not really what you get out of it imo. It makes it situational/boring

[fervent garnet]

@high mango @prisma badge My point is to have left side of the middle tree (hypothetical rift Walker location) most oriented around debuffs and buffs for the party, as opposed to damage, so that light bender (hypothetically on the left) would lean more into raw heals with pure lightbender, and more into buffs/debuffs with Rift-Bender

Yes it would be a pain to code but we're talking about hypotheticals here and how to make every archetype feel like it has its own identity

[high mango]

Okay but a debuff archetype doesnt really work well and lightbender would be kind of lacking with just heals

[fervent garnet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ then rift walker would have to fundamentally change

[prisma badge]

archetypes that give too many buffs/debuffs arent good becuase they dont stack

[high mango]

Rift being smack person with a stick so they become really easy to beat isnt a good identity imo

[high mango]

Kinda. I have some ideas

[fervent garnet]

Well lay it on us bro the whole conversation is already derailed lol

I mean it's vaguely relevant because trance in Rift Walker

[high mango]

Uh I think rift could make winded more like a plague sort of debuff where you wanna spread it across enemies instead of just stacking on one.

Other one is have rifts spells become even more focused and the application less aoe but have effects off the enemy as you build it up like it slows enemies around it and stuff

[noble hearth]

isnt rift just fine you just need REALLY high cps to make it work

or is that old rift or something

[lofty osprey]

No 💀💀🙏🏽🙏🏽

[noble hearth]

Damn mana storm nerf thinking it's hitting arca meanwhile it was the shot in the head that finished the crippled riftwalker

[molten rapids]

Many Rift abilities are good

But timelock rn is just super cursed

[noble hearth]

cursed=bad

[molten rapids]

Since you can't stack it on single target

[noble hearth]

also if theres more than one riftbender in a group

and one timelocks... its over

[molten rapids]

Also that