Wtf, why the rainbow nerf???

[lavish ridge]

i was thinking like, maybe around lusuco/troms range

[inner rampart]

make use for the ragni library

[vast elbow]

maybe the llevigar library

[serene shale]

True

[coral ridge]

its something ig, but until you do it in practice, its still just theory and theory only gets you so far

[terse roost]

the website, it doesnt belong in the game

[inner rampart]

oh yeah lusuco would be fine

[serene shale]

But cinfras already has the syndicate and guild thing

[lavish ridge]

llevigar would be cool but i think its so big already too many ppl would just have no idea it exists

[inner rampart]

itd actually have a purpose now instead of buying pots to do toa

[serene shale]

Lusuco is too niche do troms

[lavish ridge]

ppl been playing for 8 years dont know that there is a whole ass judicial court in llevigar with courtrooms and everything

[torpid hound]

prob best idea

[shrewd ferry]

I feel like somewhere in troms would work perfectly

[inner rampart]

WHAT

[torpid hound]

the exploring urge to find everything on map :)

[lean scroll]

yea anytime i tried to build something well rounded it just ended up going back to libra anxio :(

[inner rampart]

i can take people to court in wynn now???

[serene shale]

You suck lol

[torpid hound]

yes

[coral ridge]

hmm yea would probably be better on the website

[serene shale]

Joking!

[lavish ridge]

theres also a university with magic casting practice rooms and classrooms

[inner rampart]

goated i cant wait to sue people over failing raids

[lean scroll]

go away

[serene shale]

No make me my bbath accesories

[torpid hound]

good thing im a lawyer :)

[inner rampart]

wtf

[lean scroll]

do it yourself

[serene shale]

Im incapable

[torpid hound]

Ender C Law here to fight for YOUR right to raid

[lavish ridge]

it doesnt?

[serene shale]

Nah add it in the game

External resources should be like people who make videos and shit

[terse roost]

it would have to be super out of the way, not like elemental excercise

[serene shale]

Make a small quest for it

[crude mica]

i just realized why i don't think a single quest would work

i would say that the midgame just doesn't really prepare you for the endgame. especially because you're constantly leveling and outgrowing your armor/weapons. like you could make an optimized build for level 60, but that's unlikely to matter since there's no way to like "upgrade" your gear or have it follow you whatever.

an example of a concept like this working would be if terraria was fixed to expert mode/master mode, where optimization is... well, not necessary, per se, but definitely helps you -- example during midgame (hardmode) you're basically shoehorned into specializing your build. items and accessories "grow up" with you -- you can craft them into new items, which become stronger and stronger.

right now, wynncraft doesn't really have that experience? none of the midgame content is engaging or difficult enough to warrant not just equipping whichever item gives you the greatest hp/xp boost and whatever weapon has the highest average dps. there's no real "level 60 build" as said above, because the options at that level aren't interesting/don't take effort to build around/are just dps sticks etc

[terse roost]

like the ID trade market filters, if you had a library where its just an id and some description maybe

otherwise its not really readable

[serene shale]

It would help if the mids too went into more detail

[inner rampart]

i need to explore llevigar now 🙏

[dark urchin]

you can, but yall (well the web dev) could also add a library like this on the website with interactable buttons and animations and all that

[serene shale]

Like values and shit ig

[wicked mountain]

You guys are asking for ingame stuff as if a quest can’t say “IF YOU WALK LEFT YOUR ENTIRE ACCOUNT WILL BE DELETED, but if you walk right the quest completes” in big bold yellow italic underlined text and people still won’t read it

[coral ridge]

^

unironically

[crude mica]

there's no point to optimizing your build until way lategame in my opinion and that's the big problem

[inner rampart]

id go left ngl

[wicked mountain]

Remember Fate of the Fallen? The quest used to that tells you like 6 times what to do if you fail in past nessak AND IT GOT BUG REPORTS DAILY

[serene shale]

Natural selection

[lavish ridge]

well i mean yeah im thinking just a library

[dark urchin]

@lavish ridge but fr, a library like that would be so cool on the website

[serene shale]

Darwinian theory

[lavish ridge]

not related to a quest, maybe a discovery max

[wicked mountain]

Also it is hard to explain class building mechanics in universe

[inner rampart]

yeah lets do that

[serene shale]

If you make a website atleast mention it ingame

[inner rampart]

permadeath in wynncraft just like in telos realms 🔥

[serene shale]

Like during elemental exercise

[dark urchin]

remember those old games where you had to click to go left or right? and the 3D was played like that?

[serene shale]

Or just spam it in chat every once and while

[dark urchin]

something with that and a library that explains class mechanics on the website something something

[lavish ridge]

idc if ppl dont read it i just want there to be a resource in the game people can find for themselves instead of relying on shitters on discord telling them niche game mechanics for 10% more dmg

[serene shale]

Wynncrafts biggest update yet, the how to make a build update! Click this link to learn more

[inner rampart]

wait is trapstacking a game feature now or will it just become patched later on

[lavish ridge]

is there a page on ids on the wiki?

[coral ridge]

no

[crude mica]

i would say so as well but i think there's ways to introduce it like making the difficulty of midgame slightly higher and heavily encouraging optimization that way

[coral ridge]

ooh

wiki

probably

[dark urchin]

idk but I was talking about the main website, wynncraft dot com

[lavish ridge]

i mean maybe? tbh i think wiki for that is fine

[terse roost]

its very tough to fit it in in my opinion because it has to be 1) discoverable 2) not break immersion 'mana steal will replenish less mana per hit on a faster attacking weapon' just doesnt sound very magical 3) be available on demand instead of being dumped on you at once

[dark urchin]

no, wiki is not part of the official game so to speak, it must be in-game or on wynncraft dot com

well.. not "must" but imo should work best there

[terse roost]

wiki page for ids is super vague btw

[coral ridge]

mfw wynncraft.com

[dark urchin]

because what I think about is not just information, but like.. interactable things that show animations and numbers to explain mechanics too

[terse roost]

i still dont know how much dmg thorns and explode do

[tough torrent]

i feel liek if immersion can be broken for jokes it can be broken for explaining ids

[terse roost]

remove The Stair

[dark urchin]

and/or even mini-videos that show the interactions in game

[lavish ridge]

1. im sure i could do that
2. i think immersion breaking to a lesser extent is okay in some contexts, and its not like we cant convey that information more verbosely and have it still feel like a scroll some mage wrote on how to best utilize their magic
3. if its a library, im imagining just an assortment of book NPC's or a GUI or smthn that you can peruse at your own pace. if you come with 1 question you can get 1 answer

[velvet nebula]

hello ID explanation conversation...

[terse roost]

that would be cool

[vague bolt]

it is alrady confusion to determin which instance of "damage%" is additive or multitative (like damage% id and shartted mortal dmg%)

[dark urchin]

: fear :

[coral ridge]

that reminds me i gotta add something about guilds and warring

[serene shale]

Remove wars 🔥🔥

[terse roost]

warring mentioned close thread

[coral ridge]

thank god

[velvet nebula]

it's joever

[terse roost]

whats the point of being mod if you're not gonna close it for like 20 seconds as a joke

[serene shale]

Or even muting everyone in this thread

[sterile aurora]

the majority of builds would just use a rainbow setup because it was so overtuned, absolutely deserved nerf

[terse roost]

off topic

[arctic kernel]

GUYS!!! Using this thread as promotion again please help with the build guides i'm making right now, theyre in a thread in #🌎wynncraft

it doesnt matter if you're a tech gatekeeper or an optimizer whos been playing for a while or a goofy offmeta builder or a morph slapper i could use anyone and everyones thoughts!!

[torpid hound]

I still need to comment just been busy!!

[arctic kernel]

#1284321905486073887 message

[dark urchin]

1101 comment in 15 hours

[obsidian fjord]

something like this is definitely a great idea with all of these new IDs coming in.

[arctic kernel]

ingame id index would be heavenly

[shrewd ferry]

So true

[shrewd ferry]

I mean I don't see why something like mana shouldn't exist in game

It's not immersion breaking at all, the opposite in fact, instead of making the player seem like a god with this unknown magic, it integrates them into the world

I don't see why NPCs shouldn't know about or use mana steal

Hell with the new AIs NPCs could look like they're naturally integrated with items and stuff, using mana steal, mobility spells and walk speed, switching weapons, etc

[minor shale]

bruh why did i miss it:(

[unreal agate]

Erm actually, CT said someone was top leaderboard with morph collapse so obviously morph is broken 🤓

[unreal agate]

Secret agenda to do unpopular and shitty updates so people buy shouts

[shrewd ferry]

The hidden business model no one saw

[obsidian fjord]

rainbow copium unfortunately

[cerulean hazel]

Hot take but I actually agree with this post. People don't realize that morph can already barely complete mid-level content after buffs

Like I fr dare someone to solo qira with a morph + rainbow mythic

[wicked mountain]

collapse is broken

[cerulean hazel]

Ig the other rainbow nerfs are alr

[shrewd ferry]

If only IMs could add accesible tri elemental low level sets to encourage early players to try out other builds

[vast junco]

morph set is exactly the same isnt it

[shrewd ferry]

Like adventurers set but not rainbow

Early game is cluttered with rainbow items

[vast junco]

just the individual items got nerfed so theyre less usable on their own

[shrewd ferry]

Uh not really oh wait then yes it fully is

[minor shale]

its popular and good tho

[torpid hound]

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man

[shrewd ferry]

I'm saying easily game Wynn has too many rainbow items

[cerulean hazel]

Oh frick mb then

Didn't check the full set bonus 💀

[torpid hound]

Yes its still the same with bonus

[shrewd ferry]

Can someone do a feedback thread saying that early game Wynn should have more set items that aren't rainbow

And that are accesible

[vast junco]

the issue is set items as a tier

[minor shale]

when master qira item buff

[vast junco]

but also

wtf do you mean wynn has too many rainbow set items

[shrewd ferry]

I think set items are a good way to teach players how a build of a specific variety should feel

[vast junco]

the set tier is really bad rn for a number of reasons, namely that the items dont drop ever unless its morph

[minor shale]

black set is very cool

+35 dex or smth at level 33

[shrewd ferry]

Adventurers set, bandana with +1 rainbow sp, low level morph, and many more

Unironically the IP dungeon armor set is amazing at this, more sets like it should exist for low level players

[vast junco]

adventurer's is not rainbow what

[shrewd ferry]

It is

[minor shale]

except it takes 3 hours of grinding to get

[shrewd ferry]

It gives +1 SP rainbow what

[minor shale]

adventurers is SO cringe level 30-40 items are cool

[vast junco]

oh shoot does it

am i stupid

[minor shale]

we love low level building

[vast junco]

huh. my bad

[shrewd ferry]

No, dw

But that's why I'm saying there should be more set items

[vast junco]

well again

set items arent super usable

by the item team*

[shrewd ferry]

Why not have it like the corrupted set

[vast junco]

uh

well that doesnt serve your purpose does it

[shrewd ferry]

Where it isn't bound by being a set item

[vast junco]

because that doesnt display the set

[shrewd ferry]

It would be similar

Although you're right, shoot

Blehhhh, another dev time issue 😔

Also why does the morph thing happen specifically

[vast junco]

the set item issue is for set items that are made to drop from specific mob types

set items in the global pool like morph and adventurer's drop fine

[shrewd ferry]

I mean, could more sets be added to that global pool?

[vast junco]

shrug

[shrewd ferry]

I do think it's a good idea

[vast junco]

i dont think thatd do too much for the game

[minor shale]

black set was not a fun grind

[shrewd ferry]

It'd be like saying "hey new player, this is how twa builds feel" or etw, or wfa

I understand if it maybe wouldn't be the best fix

But it would be something

[cerulean hazel]

Was dark shroud even used in any rainbow buid, that was probably one of the main items I didn't understand the reasoning behind its nerf

I just used it for my olympic ngl

[minor shale]

what was the nerf

[cerulean hazel]

-10 agility points

[minor shale]

rip

[cerulean hazel]

Actually pretty noticeable because it was a really good way to get agility points for olympic and then dump the rest into str for tc

[minor shale]

why they wanted to nerf rainbow and nerfed not rainbow

[cerulean hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cerulean hazel]

Actually if you don't mind could you explain reasoning behind this nerf

[unreal agate]

People forget that normal content is trivial (you don't really have to make builds) but rainbow slap is literally "baby's first build" for trying out raids and not fucking dying immediately.
"Well someone did morph in raid" yeah cause they're experienced, they know what they're doing and can compensate for shitty armor. New players need that cushion or safety net so that they have the chance to improve

Funnily enough, SP nerfs actually make the items worse for non-rainbow builds since SP slap will go from +50sp to +25sp

[sacred crag]

gonna be real I did this for a while a few months ago and immediately built up a horrendous reputation in the community that im really not even close to escaping yet. its not a good idea

[unreal agate]

Oh. Thank you, I'll keep that in mind for the future. I didn't know it ended up that badly

[sacred crag]

i see youve pinged me but im reading through everything first so itll be a bit before i respond

[torpid hound]

selvut taking time to read because they care :)

[sacred crag]

be aware I did this with powder guides and people hated em, though that may be due to how npc range used to be? i cant recall what exactly people complained about with them

[sacred crag]

...can you elaborate on this, what's the bandana set item

okay caught up

[lavish ridge]

i think this was mainly because ppl often accidentally talked to the npc and also you didnt know what info it was gonna give you until you read the whole thing

[torpid hound]

the helmet iirc

[sacred crag]

is there a set helmet thats a bandana????

[torpid hound]

or they mean a combonation of all low lvl +sp items

awesome bandana is a rare lvl 1 helmet with +1 sp in all elements

[sacred crag]

yeah, it was genuinely really bad n ive been trying to get better about it. even stuff like the AT brainstorming thread didnt win back all the goodwill i threw away by being too rude and sarcastic and maintaining arguments needlessly

[sacred crag]

okay but they were specifically saying "rainbow set items"

[torpid hound]

i may be wrong but i think they mean this and other low lvl items that give a lot of sp in either rainbow or just a lot like darkiron or guards etc

[sacred crag]

thats not a set item...so why is it being cited as a set item?? why did they do that

[torpid hound]

i am not sure i dont want to speak for them

i would say old master to be part of that "set" since its also low lvl n stuff but that was changed so

[sacred crag]

anyway I'm cool with this stuff going ingame myself too, n I do think the llevigar library is probably like. objectively the best spot

we just need to be extra super sure that we give the mechanics out accurately

and with how weird some of the math and mechanics are(we still dont know exactly how explosion got changed in 2.0) we may not be able to provide as robust of a picture as we would hope for.

i still think we should do it, and i EXTRA SUPER think we should have a proper ID guide on the website or wiki or something

just bear that in mind

[arctic kernel]

low level sp when chimaera walks into the room

[torpid hound]

oh yeah chimera lol

[unreal agate]

I figured returning the same energy to the people who are dipshits to you wasn't a big deal, but ig it might have affected you disproportionately because "Erm figure of authority, you need to live up to my idealized version of you!"

Like I can criticize IM team and changes without being an asshole to the people who think they're doing it for the greater good of the game

[shrewd ferry]

Yes that one

[sacred crag]

it's not a set item

[shrewd ferry]

But it's a low level item that encourages rainbow

[sacred crag]

why are you lumping it in to say "too many rainbow set items" when it is Very Much Not A Set Item

also it is literally Lv 1, unless youve played the game before and already know what youre doing its not gonna be subconsciously influencing the way you play the game

[shrewd ferry]

I do still think that low level set items that directly encourage other builds like twa or etf should be added to low level range

There aren't many that explicitly do so

And I think it not being explicit is a problem

[sacred crag]

there's intended to be a slow increase in complexity as you level up

early on it's pretty easy to understand items that focus on one, two, or every element. it's easier to single out just one or two elements alongside neutral, and while seeing them all can be a little overwhelming at first knowing "oh this is everything" is a lot easier to grasp than "oh this is a very specific combination"

[obsidian fjord]

builds matter so little at low level that encouraging using certain items to make builds with them at that level wont influence players to do anything later on in the game

[shrewd ferry]

It would be nice so that they can look back and remember

[sacred crag]

having tri-element items be a particularly common thing early on is sort of worthless because what they said, and also just it'll make things look too confusing to newer players

[sacred crag]

I can assure you they will not unfortunately

[obsidian fjord]

i mean sure i guess? but it’s not gonna influence how they build their character more often than not

[sacred crag]

that is not something that new players will be keeping in mind

the occasional tri element thing early ends up being more like a novelty than anything

a "wow this is weird" item not a "wow this is going to be formative in about 50 levels" item

[shrewd ferry]

That novelty could teach em

It isn't the best fix as I said but I don't think it's necessarily bad

[shrewd ferry]

I mean, in 50 levels TRI builds is very relevant

[sacred crag]

I can assure you it will not teach them anything except "what a weird item"

[shrewd ferry]

And then they're faced with the lots of weirdness and hopefully understand

Although you probably have more experience at knowing player behavior than me

[obsidian fjord]

i help run a guild that frequently helps new players into end game with a few of my friends and not a single one has ever mentioned a low level item they used to use and referenced that when wanted to make a build. the only case where ive ever seen this was a player who played 10 years ago and had some items that he liked using back then and was confused about why the items were so different today. nobody thinks like this

[sacred crag]

not unless we clutch their wrists and drag them kicking and screaming to a locked room where we dont let them out until they understand tri-element building

and if we do that it isnt exactly the item that inspired them, they didnt look at the item and go "wow foreshadowing"

that isnt something new players do

new players more often go "hm okay im an assassin so that means i should use dexterity right?"

or "hm as a mage intelligence seems important"

[shrewd ferry]

reasonable, but also eahhhh, i really thought i was cooking something

[true nimbus]

you never cook in #1019649786799996980

[shrewd ferry]

i did lose all the feedback people wanted me to read

demoted to helper

although admitedly i have such a bad urge to make another lightbender thread just called "here we go again"

But i dont think i have any more points to bring up, i dont want to sound like im repeating myself all the time, it'd also get tiring for me if i didnt have anything new to say

[shrewd ferry]

i sometimes do

[coral ridge]

if you do i will lock and close it

[true nimbus]

good

no more worthless whining threads

[arctic kernel]

trust me we've all heard your lightbender points too much and ranting about it even more will just be even more obnoxious

[unreal agate]

Also next time can you let me read your messages before immediately reacting? I can't see chat on mobile in the middle of typing

Like seriously, it wasn't a matter of ignoring you I genuinely just didn't see your warning

[obsidian fjord]

"i dont want to sound like im repeating myself all the time"
i've got bad news

[true nimbus]

when is he gonna realize he's done that for the past 5 threads

[shrewd ferry]

4 actually, my latest one sadly got deleted

i wish it was recoverable tbh i was reading it before it got deleted

i always try to start a thread with a new issue instead of copy pasting

[true nimbus]

try.

incredibly high emphasis on try

[unreal agate]

@sacred crag also I've said this before, but thank you (and the other CT members) for actually talking to the players and making an effort to show a public image instead of reinforcing the idea that CT lives in their own world and doesn't know what "the real world" is like with all the actual players on live servers. Doesn't mean I agree with everything you guys have ever said, but I can still appreciate your efforts. Ik you guys are trying

[lavish ridge]

❤️

[elfin stream]

bwah

[tranquil heron]

i dont vibe with this positivity

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046810442238021693/1277335210098299000/utter_woke_nonsense.gif

[unreal agate]

I was passive aggressive to Selvut like a year and a half ago, he mentioned how some members of CT got actual death threats and harassment to the point where a lot of them don't feel comfortable showing a public profile, and ever since then I've kind of made it a point to try and encourage everyone else to be more empathetic.

Like you can disagree with their direction of game design without being a shitty human being

Like literally this whole thread I made was "I feel bad for newer players that won't have something better than full morph"

[wicked mountain]

So true except for Tealy they are subhuman 🤢

(I’m joking)

[unreal agate]

Me when I harass @elfin stream to make their creature models as enormous as Flat Screen TV King Pin

[lavish ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/sushichaeng-chips-eating-nom-crisps-gif-22496360

[elfin stream]

aaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUGGGGHH

[unreal agate]

You cannot escape