#Should having alts be benificial to the Annihalation fight?

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shrewd seal
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Just rereading through forums here and noticed something I've questioned a few times.
Note: I'm not talking about having 9 alts sitting in a party while you kill the boss, I'm talking about the whole "get rewards only once a week but fight at any time" feature that many people have been requesting.

One of the main issues that is brought up is that then people with alts would get extra benefits because they could do it more than once a week, but like, why is that an issue?
Seriously. Why is it any different than 1 player hiring 3 random strangers to play?
They still have to wait for the next timer to appear, they paid for the minecraft accounts, they leveled up a class to 105, and they have to fight the boss again. Why is this an issue?

The main point of this thread is to point out other parts of the game where alt farming is profitable:
Rare mobs
Festivals (remember drawing of the spirits?)
Quests
Trade market slots
Class slots

All of the above are ways that alts benifit players. All are allowed. So why is it a huge issue that making annie accessible to the working class would also make it accessible to alts? People with alts play more, therefore they should have more benefits. (This is how games that aren't p2w work)

Tldr
Feedback: it would be a better system if Annie spawned multiple times a week with rewards only once a week. This would make it possible to people who have lives and also allow players with alts to redo the fight multiple times, making it more in line with other parts of the game.

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Should having alts be benificial to the Annihalation fight?

digital heron
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Sounds like something someone with alts would say

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Isn't that right 200_clams

shrewd seal
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i am also one of those busy people too with a full time job

safe solstice
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Having alts is still different from a main account. On a person's main, they lr, do raids, participate in events, and overall a lot more than an alt. Sure an alt still needs to get to 105 but they probably just borrow a set from the main, grind a singular class, then use the main's mythics.

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And once it's at 105 the alt doesn't do anything for the market except dumping in le from annihilation

shrewd seal
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whats the difference between that and borrowing guildmates/friends mythics

safe solstice
naive walrus
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"annihilation will be bad with alts" mfs when champion rank gives you 8 extra daily quests

safe solstice
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

naive walrus
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yeah fair thats arguably the least abusable of the p2w champ mechanics (and you can just get an alt for that) but

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also current t4s or pre 2.0.3 t4s saltroll thats a big difference

safe solstice
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Damn were they nerfed? Didn't know about that

naive walrus
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chest loot in general, especially t1/t2

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it sucks now which is really sad you can get 10 emeralds from a 3d chest like wtf

safe solstice
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Oh ok

wispy cape
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what if annie was just way harder but was like sskt in monumenta(infinite attempts) :33
Cmon guys would be so cool

safe solstice
viral oriole
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is there even a statistic for this

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like is the alt situation THAT bad that everyone else suffers due to it

junior arch
stiff vine
barren lintel
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Fun fact: alts cost 99 cents

outer frost
# barren lintel Fun fact: alts cost 99 cents

Fun fact: buying alts from alt stores (which like 90% of the time are selling stolen accounts) is against TOS.
Even if you look at the 10% that are sharing legitimate accounts, sharing minecraft accounts with others is also against TOS

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quoting from the tos: "When you buy our Game, we give you permission to install the Game on your own personal computer and use and play it on that computer as set out in this EULA. This permission is personal to you, so you are not allowed to distribute the Game (or any part of it) to anyone else. This also means you cannot sell or rent the Game, or make it available for access to other people and you cannot pass on or resell any licence keys"

barren lintel
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Here's another fun fact for you: There's an entire community with hundreds of alts right now! They are still actively playing with no issues AND the servers they play on violate the EULA as they use p2w material.

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So, your point?

outer frost
# barren lintel So, your point?

boo hoo theres players who use hacked clients therefore we should design the entire game with the capabilities of hacked clients in mind, theres nothing we can do to stop them because rule enforcement can only do so much D:

barren lintel
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I can explain that too, if you'd like

outer frost
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do you understand what ip addresses are?

barren lintel
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Actually, let me get into it so you better understand. An anti-cheat is something wynncraft developed in order to prevent cheaters. I'm sure you've heard of the CPS cap, right? Do you know how many people that aren't cheated that are affected by that? It's a pretty good amount. That's one example of wynncraft making a sacrifice in order to prevent abusers. Another example would be their policy on lost items. Now, I don't know too much about their reasons, but I can assume they're worried about people duping the system and getting an item for free because they didn't actually lose anything. Do you know how many people were affected by The Market glitching?

barren lintel
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Have you heard of dynamic IPs, or maybe just a simple VPN?

outer frost
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theres limits to everything 🤷

barren lintel
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Exactly, and the wynncraft team is placing their own limiter on Annie right now!

outer frost
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wow a time limit on content is a limiter who would have guessed

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certainly not me, i thought they put that time limit there to give us unlimited end game content

barren lintel
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What?

outer frost
barren lintel
outer frost
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you would be right

barren lintel
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I know

outer frost
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so are we done trying to balance the game on the assumption that everybody cheats and tries to circumvent in-game time limits yet?

barren lintel
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A lot of games are balanced like this

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And just like every game, it changes with time as their systems improve

outer frost
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you know how alot of games are also balanced? with time gated challenges that dont force everyone in the server to login at the same time

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i wonder why? maybe the same reason games dont release on all platforms at once, hmm?

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what does our current implementation of annie do to prevent alts anyway? anti cheats are justified because they work. whats synchronous annie fights doing for us?

barren lintel
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Well, it depends, which Annie suggestion are you referring to as the fix? The current Annie doesn't let anyone alt easily by any means. Of course it is still possible, which is the same for anticheats.

Games don't release on all platforms at once? Games that can, will. Games that can't, won't. It has everything to do with limitations, similar to what wynncraft has to deal with.

Those games are also hosted on their on game engine and not running through someone else's as a subunit of the game where they can't even change the code for optimization reasons.

outer frost
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i have not mentioned any annie suggestion as a fix to alting so i dont see where you got that idea from

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as for current annie not letting people alt easily, here are a few easy ways to alt with current annie:

  • login with the alts and have them afk in parties, then pretend you forgot to come back to the computer
  • login with the alts all on the same device, then use input mirroring to control all the alts at the same time. the alts would all need to be the same class ofc, so the positions dont desync too much
  • party your alts and mains together, and use the main to solo
  • get a friend or family member to control the alt
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some common requested changes to annie and their effects on alting:

  • give annie a start/end time or appear multiple times a day (more lenient timing, reward interval remains the same)
    -- alters dont need to fight annie on all alts at once, which means they more actively contribute in the fight.

  • making annie appear (with claimable rewards) more frequently:
    -- everybody gets to fight annie more, both alters and non alters.
    -- min-maxing your alt acct annie fights becomes more tedious because there are more annie timings to keep track of

barren lintel
barren lintel
# outer frost as for current annie not letting people alt easily, here are a few easy ways to ...

Most afk players get actively kicked, also there's no guarantee a random pfinder party will win, they're extremely unreliable.

I have never seen this second option ever work. If you are referring to what speedrunners do, which is the only thing I could think of, then you are thinking of it wrong.

This will always be a problem, the point is to minimize the problem.

Then it's not alting. That's like doing it with a guild mate but they give me their rewards because they don't want them. That just isn't what alting is at all.

barren lintel
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I hate that I didn't go more indepth, but what you said isn't something that requires a paragraph to explain why they aren't better than the current implementation. Again, as I mentioned earlier, things will change. As time passes, they may be able to improve the system and make it more available to players. However, right now, their solution is every 3 days at a random time.

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Don't get me wrong, I haven't attended a single Annie in the last two weeks. I don't have the time or availability to get on when Annie happens. I just understand why it is the way it is right now.

outer frost
barren lintel
# outer frost - literally just dont go afk until after the fight starts| - i dont know what yo...

Oh okay, so let's ignore the other half of that statement. Like I mentioned, pfinder is extremely unreliable and so is doing it solo.

Can you provide some kind of example of this. I've tried doing research and have found nothing other than an article on AHK, but it's extremely inconsistent.

Minimize what problem? Alting? Less opportunities, more chances to run it on multiple accounts. Be more specific in your question.

Technically, an alt is any alternate account. So if I have an alt account but give it to my friend, and they use it to play Minecraft, is that alting? No, it's giving someone your account, which is account sharing. Not alting. Asking someone to play Minecraft with you and then give you the rewards is not alting, it's a whole different situation. Stay on topic.

outer frost
# barren lintel Oh okay, so let's ignore the other half of that statement. Like I mentioned, pfi...

  • pfinder and solo being unreliable is irrelevant because it is still an advantage over regular players, and most players will use pfinder anyway

  • yeah, no. It exists and people use it for other games like wow. you can do it using AHK scripts and other such programs (there are even dedicated ones), and there are multiple examples online. If you dont believe me you can search it up yourself. I'm not about to make it easy for anyone who wants to alt by linking a working script

  • quoting you: "This will always be a problem, the point is to minimize the problem.". Why does making annie less frequent, minimise whatever problem it is that you were talking about? be more specific please

  • so you mean to say that if someone else gives you their account, and you use it to fight annie (and keep the rewards), it isnt alting but instead account sharing since it is someone else's account? dont be so semantic, the end result is still the same.

barren lintel
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Honestly, I'm busy. You're right I'm wrong

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Your points are nitpicking at best and misleading at worst. I would rather spend my time working on my work than continuing this.

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You quote me, yet don't even read half of what I said, so my points aren't going anywhere but through your ears, or in this case, your eyes.

odd pike
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Me when there is no likent reaction

safe solstice
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Also helps playercount. Players have to get early into servers to save a spot, and they might decide to play for the hour or so they have until Annihilation. This one is more of a psychological trick but hey, more players is nice

odd pike
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@barren lintel Thanks for adding the dislike reaction btw ❤️