wary juniper
Needing to complete every cave in the area for every single lootrun across every class is just unnecessary and annoying. I get maybe once but why does it have to be classwide. Tcc has its req only need completion on one class why do lootruns need to have this.
In case it's not obvious I'm asking for it to be changed so you only need cave completion on one class
plain hearth
You have to do those caves in the lootrun
raw plaza
it takes like 5 mins tops
dry vortex
TCC requires 8 quests to do
All of which are long and difficult
Caves on the other hand are super easy, and are nesscary considering you are going to be going through these same caves during lrs
dry socket
can yall just nerf canyon lr req, 3 long ass quests 😭, i did the non reworked version b4 now i have to do them again
plain hearth
can yall just nerf canyon lr req, 3 long ass quests 😭, i did the non reworked v...
No
You need those quests completed to access areas part of the lootrun
wary juniper
You have to do those caves in the lootrun
So? You still need to complete it once so it's not like they're going to be unfammiliar
Its just kinda annoying, I don't see any benefit from forcing it for every class
plain hearth
dry vortex
Erm what the flip I have to play the game to play the game
Unplayable, I came here to play wynncraft not play wynncraft
dry socket
You need those quests completed to access areas part of the lootrun
shrimply delete them (real)
grim narwhal
What benefit does doing the caves beforehand bring
Just speaking from a game designer's perspective the point is to help familiarize the caves to the player prior to doing the lootruns and remove most of the initial uncertainty.
If I wasn't required to do the caves at first how will I know the layout of each cave? How many chests and which of those chests actually count? etc.
sterile parcel
reading is hard
grim narwhal
Was on Discord mobile while reading this so I didn't see OP's post since it just goes to the bottom half of the thread and didn't want to bother scrolling up for a while, but in light of that...
Yeah, they should make the cave requirements account wide.
wary juniper
Yeah
Like sure I get it's maybe not a massive thing but it's still inconvenient and doesn't really serve a purpose imo.
summer frigate
Needing to complete every cave in the area for every single lootrun across every...
i feel like you should have to do them all at least once, but once per class is just really annoying - why is this any different to raids?
wary juniper
"In case it's not obvious I'm asking for it to be changed so you only need cave completion on one class"
I really should've added this to the original thing tbh
okay done
vital plinth
"why should i level to 105 again on my Archer when i already did it on my warrior?"
"Why should i beat Pokemon League again in Pokemon "Insert Title" when i already did it on my last run"
"Why do i need to kill the Enderdragon again on a new world to access expanded end when i already did it once"
"Why cant i skip all raid challenges on repeated runs if i already did them once"
Thats the Essence of your question:
"Why should i need to complete the caves again to access the lootrun If i already did it on another class"
See, exact Same Tone and mindset.
Now fr tho,
summer frigate
"why should i level to 105 again on my Archer when i already did it on my warrio...
"why should i do a breaking point again on my archer when i already did it on my warrior?"
there's a difference between basic prerequisites and essential parts of progression
vital plinth
Theres a difference between quests and caves
As i stated, If there is Long content that you already did on another class, Like a 2 Hours Long ass quest Line, IT shouldnt be required on the other classes to be able to participate in the content too.
Atleast imo
But for *quests Theres still the Point that they unlock areas
summer frigate
Theres a difference between quests and caves
theres a difference between completeing some caves and levelling a new character, beating the pokemon league on a new playthrough, killing the dragon in a new world, and skipping all raid challenges
my point is that your examples that you gave were, to put it simply, bad
vital plinth
Imo, its Just to prove that the Character/Account/class/world is able to Push through the content
For quests, Theres No Skill or dps / ehp Check, its Just time
summer frigate
for caves theres no checks either really, just time
caves really arent that challenging, not even in SE
vital plinth
If you arent able to complete the caves -> shouldnt do the lootrun there
If you arent able to complete the caves so fast its not even annoying to you -> you shouldnt do the lootrun
summer frigate
if you're playing a class that's in endgame, you will be able to complete the caves with ease
you could probably do any cave in the entire game on any class with morph
vital plinth
Then whats the Problem investing 5 minutes of your Life into that
summer frigate
because it's just a waste of time
vital plinth
One time per class Mind you
summer frigate
why should you have to waste that time
vital plinth
because it's just a waste of time
Same as saying caves should be deleted in General and lootrun exclusive
If they have no Worth doing outside of one
summer frigate
what is this strawman lmao
vital plinth
Bro named himself ai and calls me strawman
summer frigate
how is my username related to anything????
vital plinth
Chill man, im Starting to Unterstand your Point, i think it Just comes down to a difference in mindset
deft flicker
see #1281812005606396014 message point 6, most likely also applies to caves
summer frigate
completing quests dont unlock any new areas, and while lootrunning you'll be completing them anyway, so no point 6 wouldnt apply to caves (besides tech limitations)
vital plinth
Yeah okay im Starting to agree with you.
I still think cave requirements are necessary though.
Since the best method to make Money Just being able to instantly do once you hit 105/ Gear reqs on a new class without a hint of unlocking Just seems stupid to me
summer frigate
Chill man, im Starting to Unterstand your Point, i think it Just comes down to a...
you just said something that i had not in the slightest bit even suggested, hence me saying it was a strawman
anyway, my point is that you will complete these caves during the lootrun anyway and you are already familiar with their locations and mechanics from doing it on another class, so there isnt really any point to completing them again imo
outside of lootruns, caves still have their purposes, being fun for exploration and getting some gear (+ xp) during progression, among other things (for instance this is just what i see worth in caves outside of lootruns but different people with different ways that they play might see other things)
summer frigate
Yeah okay im Starting to agree with you.
I still think cave requirements are n...
you still need to get a build for it (which while there are lots of cheap options available will still take some time), and completing the caves will only add ~5 minutes as you say, so it's not much of a delay and ends up just being an inconvenience
wary juniper
Yeah Im not claiming it to be some major issue like having to do all the quests for tcc, but it's still kinda a pointless inconvenience