Potions are annoying to use.

[rigid void]

Can you please remove the interaction that when you switch off your weapon any buffs or stuff you get from abilities disappear? I am playing summoner but every time I need to use a potion all my totems disappear which is ridiculous. Bossing is so annoying because of this.

[steel lily]

no, potions are incredibly strong support items. removing this limitation would make them broken.
Also abilities have to disappear if you swap off your weapon (no matter what else you're swapping to) because you could just hold something else and get its ids (walk speed weapon, hpr weapon, etc)

tldr; no

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[rigid void]

Can you elaborate a bit more on a scenario where it would be broken?

[faint silo]

you could just heal a bunch and attack at the same time

they are very op like very very potions and consumables in general are very strong part of the game

[rigid void]

I just feel like me being able to summon my totems and if I need to switch to a potion and then go back to do damage, that would just be a QoL change yk. I would be surprised if it changed any meta or anything.

[faint silo]

what potions you need as shaman tho

[vague blade]

I'm having the same kind of scenario as archer, the only defensive spell is the shield, and whenever i get hit by projectiles, mele mobs, etc. and want to drink a potion to heal, the shield goes down and i would die regardless of if i would've tried to heal/keep the shield because i swapped to the potion (and shield went down)

[rigid void]

I mean any but I don't think the type of potion is relevant, I'm just talking about the interaction.

[dense pelican]

I mean...

stat buff potions are too strong to be able to be used mid fight without punishment regardless, heal potions i could see, especially when playing things like shaman its very annoying to have your 4 totems despawn for an emergency heal. its already emergency man, i dont have the capacity to summon 4 more totems :c

[rigid void]

Yeah that's true, but there has to be a way to fix it or something haha

[mint igloo]

Probs an issue with balance when swapping weapons
(for example use -cost weapon to cast it then swap to op damage item to get a powerful spell which costs less than it should have)

[rigid void]

Maybe they could add a designated weapon slot where only the weapon in that slot will give you the stat buffs, honestly idk.

[pastel cedar]

💀

[faint silo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/853570091336597504/1021898363689521152/unknown.gif

[rigid void]

What's the problem?

[faint silo]

sir that is overpowered

[rigid void]

How?

[faint silo]

an weapon slot that gives only the weapons stats? is this what you saying?

[rigid void]

yeah, so you can only have 1 weapon giving buffs

[faint silo]

that is overpowered imagine the amount of stats you could get

[rigid void]

How, if you can only get 1 weapon at a time

weapon slot like any armor slot

[faint silo]

so you would have an acessory weapon like? idk what you trying to say

[rigid void]

yeah, like the accessories and stuff, you put the weapon you wanna use and that's the only buffs you could get.

[mint igloo]

Then that invalidates using more than 1 weapon

[faint silo]

yeah how that would work with offhand weapons

[mint igloo]

also would be a general hassle

[rigid void]

But that's what they said would be op

like they said the mana cost thing or smth

[faint silo]

if you limit 1 weapon per player that would be bad

[mint igloo]

No

[pastel cedar]

what they said was op was using another weapon's stats on your main weapon

[mint igloo]

Only switching weapons while keeping the same spawned stuff

[pastel cedar]

for example if i was to use a weapon with really high mr at the same time as my normal weapon

the difference with how it currently works is if i offhand the high mr weapon, i cant attack using the stats of my main weapon

so the only point of it is for mr

[cerulean socket]

it would be cool to have a designated main weapon that gets remembered when you swap off, things like powders and spells could stick around, would also open up options regarding using slots as input without losing track of what is used for calculations

[surreal lintel]

wynncraft can already detect your "main weapon". it's displayed when you hover over the sword icon in the compass menu

[rigid void]

haha I mean I just wanted a way to heal without losing all my totems, it was just an idea.

[pastel cedar]

use regeneration with your totems then

[surreal lintel]

me too, man

[pastel cedar]

?

[surreal lintel]

and honestly, this is the first time I've ever seen someone make this argument

[cerulean socket]

thats nice, can i swap without losing powders now?

[surreal lintel]

no, but one can already get started with making such system

since you can already designate a weapon as your main one

[rigid void]

Sometimes when fighting bosses is not enough.

[vague blade]

for bosses that do 4k+ damage, totems arent at all able to regen, let alone sustain. and at the same time other mobs are spawning in and also projectiles doing damage, etc

[pastel cedar]

you have aura?

use it

itll kill the mobs that are spawning

you can also avoid the bosses attacks by using haul

depending on what tree you are using, assuming puppets with regeneration, you stay near your totems while the puppets take care of everything

otherwise if you are using masks, stick on the one that makes you take less damage (fanatic)

[rigid void]

Yeah you are describing the gameplay but that doesnt change that if you get git and need to heal you lose the totems

[pastel cedar]

I...dont really know what to tell you then?

if your gear doesnt work for what you are trying to do maybe upgrade it

if your tree isnt working for you then modify it

[rigid void]

I feel like you are just dodging the problem

[pastel cedar]

i feel like you are either undergeared or are having a severe skill issue

[mint igloo]

I mean it's a inconvenience I can agree but it's just a balance thing

[pastel cedar]

losing totems to heal isnt really an issue. its a tradeoff to get most of your health back with a single right click

[vague blade]

other rpg's encourage the use of health potions being on a keybind (and generally not interrupting your combat) so that you can maximize the gameplay, and QoL

why cant that be done here?

[rigid void]

Im not talking about someone being bad at the game or not being high enough level or bad gear. Im just saying that there is something that could be improved gameplaywise.

[vague blade]

the game should be enjoyable by all types of players whether bad or good

[pastel cedar]

ok except your concept absolutely kills the idea of having offhanded weapons

[rigid void]

Like a said it would be a QoL change there must be a way to change someting without affecting the overall gemaplay or diffuclty

[pastel cedar]

its kinda crazy but people dont stay bad at the game

they play the game -> they get better at the game

especially with the removal of soul points

[vague blade]

fair enough

[rigid void]

Just becasue someone can get better at a game doesnt mean that a feature couldnt be imporved for the begginer players

[mint igloo]

Because of weapon balance mainly(they're balanced around you being only able to use one at a time and most thats attached to it only staying when the weapon is equipped)

[pastel cedar]

i cant wait to main hand procrastination and get +85 skill points overall 😺

[rigid void]

What?

[vague blade]

what is the difference between main hand and off hand?

[pastel cedar]

main hand is main weapon

[vague blade]

didnt know that wynn had off hand?

[pastel cedar]

offhand is something you switch to for a specific purpose

its just a term

not actual offhand

[vague blade]

okay

makes more sense thanks

[pastel cedar]

but offhanded weapons are often used for health regen, movement speed, lower movement spell costs, lb/lq, etc

something to consider as well is that wynn cant level lock areas for players that shouldnt be there, except for quests, being the silent expanse and the void

if you go into an area thats too high for your level then you are supposed to die

[rigid void]

But then what is the difference by using one weapon for lower mana cost and the other for dmg?

[pastel cedar]

lower mana cost for 2nd spell specifically

since that is the movement spell

you get around using that weapon

and use your main weapon for actually doing damage

a good example of this is silent ballet

which reduces all spell costs to 1 at the cost of doing 0 damage from spells

you totem + haul cycle with it for the most part

and use that to get around

[rigid void]

I think there has to be a different way to be able to use potion without changing anything of teh weapons or gameplay

[pastel cedar]

changing the way you use potions will affect both the weapons and gameplay though

[vague blade]

is it possible to do potions on a keybind? correct me if anything, but the main concern is people using 2 different bows for 2 different affects at the same time, if we put the potions on a keybind, and keep the switch-weapon-cancel, would that be viable?

and ofc not the stat potions, but just for healing

[pastel cedar]

at most using the offhand slot for something (finally) but thats dev time and i dont see that happening any time soon with all the backlog of 2.1 stuff that needs to get done

other than that, there arent other ways to do keybinds for stuff in vanilla minecraft

[vague blade]

thats true

[rigid void]

yeah true vanilla

Id be nice to freee up a space by moving pots somewhere else haha

[surreal lintel]

there's still the idea of only removing totems/jbloom/clones, etc when swapping to another weapon, instead of when swapping off of your current one

[vague blade]

that would be good

wouldnt change too much, something along the lines of removing the spells after detecting if your hand is holding a dif weapon

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[viscid meteor]

I haven’t read the full thread but in case it hasn’t been suggested already, why not reset effects like totems and other stuff only when you switch to another weapon, not another slot

That way the abusing factor is completely eradicated

[surreal lintel]

.

[mint igloo]

Makes sense

[surreal lintel]

I can't lie though, potions can be really strong. I can imagine how broken it would be if someone can just constantly chug potions without losing tempo

[wide plaza]

weapon swapping can be easily solved by making abilities only stay/exist when you switch back to the weapon that casted them

im not sure about mana cost reductions for this stuff, but I think itll be mostly irrelevant with such a change

[ripe olive]

problem is how you detect if a weapon is the same one as the last one you held or used to activate the spells

[wide plaza]

give the spells a variable with their caster item's ID

[glacial flare]

Wild suggestion

[south quail]

honestly the "abilities have to dissapear if you swap off your weapon" argument just isnt a good argument.
how to swap off weapons without breaking balance:

• when swapping items, check if the weapon you're holding changed. If it changed, despawn the old spells like it does now, since your stats have changed.
• if the last weapon you held has not changed (ie you swapped from a weapon to a non weapon), remember the old weapon and keep the spells and weapon stats around. despawn them if you later swap to a different weapon than what you started with
• if your current item is nothing (empty hand), despawn the spells and get rid of weapon stats

[humble granite]

Y'all use potions?

Invest in lifesteal/hpr

[pastel cedar]

For real

[thin delta]

That's literally a mage ability for any class, but no mana cost and more hp

That's also why I picked mage after playing shaman

So that's like THE most important thing for mage class imo.
No need to swap for heals is a BIG advantage.

[south quail]

i dont think not needing to swap to potions is what makes mage heal strong

[thin delta]

For me it was the deciding factor for what class to pick after first playthrough

[thin delta]

I mean, it being quick and easily available is exactly what makes it strong. There's nothing else to it.
U can heal other people near, but that's kinda useless solo.
If you're talking lightbender - it's not heal that's strong, it's literally everything else that's activated/sustained by heal. But even when playing Riftwalker- heal is a very useful tool.

That's also why Arcanist sux

[south quail]

mage heals more than a potion, heals others and cleanses debuffs

heal spell is as quick and available as potions are

if anything it is less available because 3 clicks instead of 1, and the need for mana

[thin delta]

Literally no? Lategame pots heal 4.8k and my 105lvl heal only does like 4k with max lb?

[south quail]

why are you building lb for a heal build

[thin delta]

Hm? Wdym?

Wait, lemme check stats in wynnbuilder

[south quail]

of course your mage doesnt heal more than a pot if you're putting everything into lootbonus

[thin delta]

Nvm, I lied it does actually heal more than a pot

[pastel cedar]

Lb being lightbender?

🤨

[south quail]

wtf is a max lightbender build

[thin delta]

Point still stands, giving heal to other classes would make it op

[pastel cedar]

Going full down lightbender tree?

[thin delta]

And I fear a lb with mana/hp pots in second hand

[south quail]

who tf says that

[thin delta]

Like, that would just be impossible to kill.

Out of hp? - heal, out of mana? - drink a pot

[south quail]

yeah, but potions not killing other class' spells isn't going to suddenly invalidate heal spells

[thin delta]

It kinda will make people pick mage less imo

[thin delta]

Also A LOT of balance issues will arise

[south quail]

people shouldn't be picking mage just because using potions kills spells.

[south quail]

i bet you cant name more than 3

[thin delta]

No need to swap weapons means u can't lose the powder kill streak, or totems.
Archetypes that remove a lot of your healing ability will no longer have that weakness.
Tank mages are now immortal thanks to heal+pot spam

Also that will make players heal faster than expected which will make fighting easier

And things will need to be buffed accordingly

[south quail]

that is actually 3 examples of 1 problem

the problem being that players will be stronger since they don't need to voluntarily break their combat flow to heal

[south quail]

letting you use potions without killing your spells isn't going to suddenly make potions heal more

[thin delta]

Wdym? They are 3 different things that would come out of no need to swap items to use pots.
They come from 1 place, but are quite different

[rigid void]

What about the weapon thing but with a pot cd? Like 3 seconds or smth?

[thin delta]

Wdym?

[rigid void]

You says about pot spam

So they add a small cd

Said

[thin delta]

That would help a little bit with mage immortality. But nothing else tbh

You're meant to lose stats when swapping slots. That's by design.

[rigid void]

Would there be a way to keep abilities but lose powdders?

[south quail]

• not losing powder streak or totems - player is stronger because pots don't kill combat flow (powders, spells etc)
• archetypes with no healing not being as squishy - player is stronger because pots don't kill combat flow (powders, spells etc)
• tank mage immortal due to heal pot spam - arguably already a thing, but if you are talking about a tank mage who is for some reason reluctant to spam pots even though they have no spell to upkeep, its because the player is stronger since pots don't kill combat flow (powders, spells etc)

[thin delta]

Even if it wasn't meant like that at the start - the game's built on that

[south quail]

literally just code it that way?

what is feasible or not should not be up for debate because that is dependent on the ct to figure out how they want to implement and balance the mechanics

[thin delta]

• yeah, that's the problem. YOU HAVE TO LOSE SOMETHING to heal
• That's good, but tanks are gonna be a lot more bulky
• I mean a tank mage can heal even with no mana now. Example:
  You're in a tough bossfight and slowly lose hp overtime even with healing.
  Healing becomes unusable due to mana cost (or u just run out of mana)
  Usually you either die, or retreat for a while to regen health.
  But now you can just swap between healing with pots and spell healing without any drawbacks.

[south quail]

a tank mage has always been able to heal with no mana

[thin delta]

No?

[south quail]

literally just use a pot??

[thin delta]

You'd lose the buffs your weapon gives. For lightbender - all of your orbs, for others - sigils and damage stacks.

And that's the ducktape that keeps the game balance together.

And you're asking to remove that.

[south quail]

the idea that potions cancelling spells is the duct tape that keeps the game balanced is a crazy take

[rigid void]

And if its true that mean there is another fd up problem

[thin delta]

Okay, go think of a way to kill a lightbender with infinite heal and 50k ehp

[elfin stratus]

true dmg

[thin delta]

Okay, but how often will you use that?

[elfin stratus]

that's up to ct

[thin delta]

They can't use it too much so that there's a reason to use def and agility tanks and not just get 20k raw hp

[rigid void]

Maybe that just mean they have to get creative no?

[thin delta]

So can't really do that

[south quail]

did you know this is already in the game?

also consider the fact that a lightbender who build for 50k ehp probably doesnt have many stats in other places

[thin delta]

Yes, but it's used sparingly. And lightbenders are still surviving with 20k raw hp

[south quail]

idk man, seems like a lightbender issue to me

[thin delta]

It's literally my build and it has 50sp in everything. And also 90k dps

[rigid void]

“Players are right about the problems, but wrong about the solutions” Maybe we let them figure out what the best way to tackle something like this. Or maybe this is never touched and this is a meaningless fight

[thin delta]

Lb is pretty powerful, but can still die.
With infinite healing from pots - they can't

[south quail]

your whole idea that lightbenders dont already have healing from pots is really odd

[thin delta]

There's no problem. You sacrifice your buffs to get healed.

[thin delta]

Have you played lightbender?

[south quail]

it takes 1 whole cast for a lightbender to get back in combat. swapping off their weapon to pot isnt going to do anything to change that

[south quail]

yes, and i employed a secret trick known as having potions in my hotbar

[thin delta]

And that cast is a good half of your mana bar. Which you don't have if you resort to potions. Regening it takes a lot of time.

[south quail]

thats a build issue

also, literally just offhand lunar spine.

[thin delta]

True, but I can't be bothered to use 2 weapons

[thin delta]

Literally every good lightbender build has a mr/mu issue

[south quail]

doesnt make the lunar spine argument any less valid

[thin delta]

Yes, that one is valid

But if you can't comprehend sacrificing damage for healing - that's a you issue.

[glacial flare]

Its not a problem

U just skill issue smh

[rigid void]

Okay

[tough jackal]

fr. same thing with mantle of the bovemists and bakals grasp

[humble granite]

skibidi unc appearence

[latent bronze]

Getting better gear only solves the problem by dodging it

Admittedly this is less of an problem in endgame, but if you're trying to level and just defeat dungeons/quest minibosses on summoner and not just powerlevel, it's actually a legitimate issue I faced (I was using at-level gear too, the stats simply weren't enough for me to lose regenning 600 hp/second)

[latent bronze]

You just end up losing most of that health anyway due to the fact that shaman gets less from hp pots since they have like 50% defense. If hp pots healed 9k for shaman yeah I can kinda get your point, it's still annoying but you can shrug it off. But it doesn't

[humble granite]

Yall out here facetanking or smth

Dodge with your movement spell

If you guys want dodge practice, i've got a hero build with 170 ehp you can try

[wide plaza]

shamans and archers would like a very calm word with you

[humble granite]

i played shaman for a good while and i have a endgame archer and you bet your ass you can dodge

[pastel cedar]

^

i main shaman lmfao

[wide plaza]

me too... but its kind of hard to dodge when you need to look in a good direction, click 6 times, and then your main damage source is in the wrong place

warriors, mages, and assassins can just RRR and theyre fine

[pastel cedar]

???

you dont need to throw a new totem to get away

what ive found works best for shaman is playing around the totem itself, not playing the totem around yourself

especially when it comes to puppets

you stay within totem distance for potential vengeful spirit if you have that, stay in aura radius for acolyte healing, stay in totem distance for regeneration

[wide plaza]

Yeah, you just gotta haul to the totem so you sit right next to the enemy you're fighting instead

[pastel cedar]

Maybe the issue is you suck at playing shaman 🤔

[wide plaza]

That's not how it works
😊

[pastel cedar]

It definitely is