Apoc provides the possibility of a lot of really interesting gameplay directions, especially involving the Fallen tree which otherwise gets pretty outclassed by battlemonk. Ofc we can't have pre-nerf apoc that like 60s soloed annihilation on beta, but I think if possible it would be a really good move to make it more viable.
#Revert some Apocalypse nerfs
queen pilot
zinc seal
queen pilot
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/806213362433916969/1271521142401663069/lv...
is there some like dark secret balance lore i dont know?
zinc seal
Nah its just any battlemonk praise after beta is funny
queen pilot
i mean is there a better option for warrior?
queen pilot
i mean yeah the build that worked with pre-nerf apoc was slow-cast bashscream afaik
which works in a lot of the fallen tree
lilac cape
major id was changed due to lag concerns
queen pilot
I know, the particles were too much right?
Is there a way to decrease the major id’s particle generation without making it unviable?
vocal granite
I just hate that boiling blood on apoc have cd now
like the dmg on the weapon is already abysmal, why nerf that part too
boiling blood also goes out much faster which should not cause lag as much
eager sparrow
just lower the amount of particles
queen pilot
Is it possible to make the major id cast in a way that deals damage or dps similar to how it does now but in more concentrated hits so that it’s not every tick?
past gyro
Is it possible to make the major id cast in a way that deals damage or dps simil...
the way it dealt damage before was literally breaking the server.
like, on a fundamental level it was causing too many issues to keep. this is the compromise
we really can't go back to it, because zeer was literally considering creating an entirely new code trick just to mitigate the issues of Hellfire's effect and that is unacceptable
unkempt arrow
Why not just delete apoc's MID at this point
Like, genuinely, what does it even do right now, aside from disabling literally every single Warrior ability
Why are you so adamant on keeping it, when it causes so many issues
It was a mistake adding this MID in the first place, yet instead of just scrapping it, you just keep adding more and more "but"s to it in every single patch
Apocalypse in 2025:
+Hellfire: Boiling Blood never activates and deals no damage, but does not slow enemies, disables Bash, disables Discombobulate, disables Sacred Surge, disables Warrior and disables accounts of everyone owning an Apocalypse.
past gyro
Why not just delete apoc's MID at this point
Like, genuinely, what does it even ...
...you're aware it's been completely overhauled, right?
unkempt arrow
Source
past gyro
Source
...I'm literally on CT. I was the one who changed it.
This is what I put onto the item changelog thread for this update.
If you're gonna complain at me, at least make your complaints informed ones?
unkempt arrow
This is what I put onto the item changelog thread for this update.
That's... not bad?
vocal granite
but also, ticking damage every tick is also bad for the server
so even with the boiling blood going out much faster it still causes issue?
past gyro
so even with the boiling blood going out much faster it still causes issue?
it would if it still worked like that yeah
vocal granite
huh, I see, but yeah the damage on apoc is trash, I wanted the old apoc, at least the no cd part back, but if it kills the server then it has to be this way
past gyro
huh, I see, but yeah the damage on apoc is trash, I wanted the old apoc, at leas...
maybe for lv 100 yeah, but remember this is Lv 81
vocal granite
ahhh
I never realized the apoc lv req
what if, instead of boiling blood being pool for apoc it just deals debuff and do much faster dmg to them
or just make the boiling blood into debuff for bash instead of pool
past gyro
so instead of boiling blood doing the thing that it does, it should do the thing that it does, or instead of boiling blood being a bash effect it should be a bash effect?
you're gonna have to reword that
vocal granite
uhh, instead of it being an AOE DOT just make it a DOT
it is not creative but I just want to revive apoc
others can pitch their idea here too, cuz I dont know what may or may not cause issue
past gyro
uhh, instead of it being an AOE DOT just make it a DOT
so...instead of making the pool bigger, which is the express reason for having given bash extra AOE on this effect, just make it like burning uppercut?
that would require dev time as an FYI and we haven't gotten dev time for major IDs in years
zinc seal
boiling blood's damage being increased for x amount of bashes in the last (boiling blood duration) seconds would have a similar effect
without accounting for discombob or SS
past gyro
boiling blood's damage being increased for x amount of bashes in the last (boili...
that would also require dev time
subtle leaf
