Increase the requirements to get Radiance

[ruby blaze]

I'm going to skip all the usual "Paladin tree is a joke/bad/terrible/incomplete/passive" drama and go straight to the point.

Radiance its one of the best Paladin skills atm being a powerful boost to itself and allies. It wouldn't be a stretch to call it THE ability to always pick when you play Paladin.

However for some reason, its extremely easy for Battle Monk to get it as well since it requires just 3 Paladin skills to unlock it.

That's a very low number for one of Paladin's best abilities, it would be like being able to get Tclap or Discombulate with just a few Monk nodes.

These Bmonk's abilities require 6 and 11 skills to unlock, requiring investing a lot more on the tree to unlock.

Meanwhile you can get the best Paladin skill with no trouble.

It isn't fair or balanced, besides if the skill was harder to reach, it would make buffing it easier since you wouldn't have to worry too much about more DPS trees getting it.

[quiet bolt]

Absolutely agreed 👍

[woeful mica]

I'd agree to this only if cheaper bash is swapped with radiance.... I really only care about the cheaper bash ngl

[acoustic isle]

this is…

[steep eagle]

yea change back discomb to how it was before (or atleast 80 and 100 with aspect) and make paladins radiance more of a support thing that can only be played in a (mostly) paladin tree

[acoustic isle]

it makes sense I’ll give you that, but battlemonk kinda needs it rn

[steep eagle]

^^^^

bmonk dmg would decrease 10-20% still (if it stays on 100 and on 80 even more ofc) so the nerf would still be "enough" to make it not op as it is rn

[ruby blaze]

I agree that bmonk deserves to have some nerfs reverted, but it doest change the fact that it should be this easy to acess radiance

[acoustic isle]

80% confident bmonk changes will not get reverted

[ruby blaze]

I'm 100% sure lol

[grave perch]

added like button

[acoustic isle]

the last thing I want is guardian to be meta so sadly I can’t endorse this yet

[ruby blaze]

I bet the tree will be rearrenged in 2.2 when the Paladin changes are released, so that point will be moot

[ruby blaze]

why would that make Guardian meta?

[acoustic isle]

fallen bmonk damage would be way better than palamonk

need more ehp to survive, guardian

it already works it’s just outclassed but

[ruby blaze]

it alr is no?

[acoustic isle]

yeah but it used to be 100% not worth

[ruby blaze]

Also, no one is actually playing Palamonk, they are just picking radiance

[acoustic isle]

now it feels like the only viable way to play

[ruby blaze]

I'm sure the meta ain't solid yet, people will adapt and get stronger with the aspects & content book buffs

meanwhile Paladin continues to have a sh*t tree and our only good abiltity can be used by other classes

[acoustic isle]

solution: fix paladin

why does paladin have one support ability

wait don’t the archetypes have labels

like when you hover over them in the uhh

atree menu

[ruby blaze]

regardless of Paladin being fixed, I don't thing any major class ability should be so easily acessible as current radience

[acoustic isle]

yep

why does fallen have more buffs than paladin

radiance vs. ragnarokkr, armor breaker

[ruby blaze]

yeah, Paladin is supposed to be the support class and only can do it by radiance, that has been discussed to death

[acoustic isle]

support class doesn’t support

[ruby blaze]

not the point of this thread, I just wanna some adjusments so that Paladin at least has something

also, that way Divine Honor could be more buffed

[acoustic isle]

Paladin is labeled as support why is fallen the better support

relating to this thread fallen can easily get radiance too

[ruby blaze]

it can?

thought it would be only bmonk, send a tree pls

[nimble quartz]

jedi is smart so I agree

[acoustic isle]

https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/builder?v=8#9_2SG2SH2SI2SJ2SK2SL2SM2SN0DZ00000000001g000000z0z0+0+0+0+0-1TjtEyw5ph1

this is unoptimal is someone actually tried this would be way better

[steep eagle]

correct but it proves the point still

[acoustic isle]

but makes fallen by far best support archetype

despite paladin being the “support” archetype

[solar jolt]

why cant i like this post

[ruby blaze]

you can now

[ruby blaze]

I see, this is really weird, fallen shouldn't get radiance this easy

[acoustic isle]

even more reason to rework paladin

[runic rampart]

im not played pala (or warrior) but arcanist has same problem with manastorm (gives +10/5 mr on casting any spell if you have more than 100 mana and +5/2mr after nerf) and has 4 arcanist req, that somehow does not requires sacrificing heal.
so that makes arcanist as worse riftwalker without heal spell (less max winded so less dph)
changing it to 5 arcanist req with 1 ap (and make arcane speed 1ap too) will make manastorm to heavy tradeoff for riftwalker, rather than slapping node for any builds with decent int, while not harming lightbender accesibility(locking heal spell invalidates their whole gimmicks).

[ruby blaze]

the same problem then, such essential nodes shouldn't be this easy to reach

[hoary crystal]

tbh i just want a paladin buff in general

it kind of just sucks atm and is outclassed by everything its supposed to do

[ruby blaze]

that too please!

[runic rampart]

tbh that is the last node in mage atree but it only has 4 arcanist req

[ruby blaze]

a bit better then

3 is just to little

[celest glacier]

stfu jedi u silly sausage

[ruby blaze]

upvote the post and gtfo!

[celest glacier]

nuh uh warrior needs a buff

[ruby blaze]

Fallen is fine, Bmonk was overnerf and deserves some power back, Paladin was always super weak and deserver a MAJOR rework

[frozen anvil]

paladin isnt supposed to be a high damage tree. Its for tanking

[celest glacier]

paladin is just the hardcore profile tree

[frozen anvil]

and war guard

[celest glacier]

fr

[ruby blaze]

Agree, but that doesn't mean the current Paladin is good nor that some tanking items/major IDs need some changes

[celest glacier]

tbf healing builds on shaman or mage are more effective than paladin tanking most of the time

[lunar crest]

speaking of, do you guys think that Ragnarokkr should actually be a Paladin ability?
it is quite "support" after all

[ruby blaze]

yes, it would be a better fit thematiclly

[plain ermine]

Make radiance actually a paladin ability, and make paladin more paladiny instead of a brick wall

[polar schooner]

Paladin should have some sort of reward or tanking, or provide unique buffs that can't be granted by anyone else. Theres a really good concept in https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1265241987771006976

The problems with Paladin currently are.

Its lack of Supportive Abilities
Wynncraft being a mainly solo game ( Paladin can't do much on it's own )
The ability tree basically being made up of Passive abilities
Healing being better than Tanking
Radiance being Paladin's only good ability

Those are the main issues currently, if theres more feel free to add onto it

[plain ermine]

I don't like paladins focus being super tanky it's so boring

Id rather it be like a holy magic warrior that happens to be tanky

[ruby blaze]

would be nice, I want to smite some mobs, but sacred surge sucks...

[queen heron]

I'd prefer if paladin could spend sacred surge for 100% uptime

[hoary pagoda]

you already have to get 1800 essence, complete the white palace, fight the traitor lord, go to the abyss, and kill all 3 dreamers just to get to radiance.

oh, wrong game

[ruby blaze]

Dont ping me with useless stuff...

[hoary pagoda]

I didnt 🤔

[ruby blaze]

you did, making a reference to a game I dont know in a feedback thread is useless

[hoary pagoda]

I didnt ping you

[ruby blaze]

when u answered my post, you pinged me

[hoary pagoda]

@ruby blaze this is a ping
I did not include one

[ruby blaze]

Dude, when u answered my post it caused the same effect as a ping, dont do that unless its something to add to the thread

[hoary pagoda]

ok

[grave perch]

they did change thunderstorm meteor or what in 2.1, so its a tradeoff, you can either choose that ton of extra dmg for meteor or you can choose +6 extra mana to mana bank per spell (+3 but thunderstorm or what would give -3)

[ruby blaze]

lets hope they do something similar with Warrior

[queen heron]

Thunderstorm still gives more mana in total (each thunderstorm hit adds meteor's mana bank value to your mana bank, that's why thunderstorm reduces mana bank gain)

[grave perch]

it STILL gives more mana?

even with -6? good to know

[runic rampart]

-3 per meteor* but it gives mana each hit

[grave perch]

-6 because it blocks something that gives +3

at least from what I remember from 2.1 beta

[runic rampart]

ah i meant from base +7 mana per hit
but idk why thunderstorm gives mana bank, burning sigil dont gives mana bank even tho its directly above arcane transfer.

[grave perch]

they can just leave it like this, I want my warp mage to be usable

jokes aside yeah, if that is true, they want to make it consistent

[plain ermine]

Sigil isn't from casting meteor, it just results from it

And also itd be op obv

[queen heron]

But with normal meteor it triggers once and with thunderstorm it triggers four times (1+3), with the aspect up to 7 (1+6). It's insane

[grave perch]

huh insane

[ruby blaze]

Got some great recognition!

[queen heron]

Ragnarokkr for paladin? 🔥🔥🔥
Xavier knows what's up