#The Silverbull Syndicate’s modern vibe feels out of place

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hearty apex
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The Silverbull Syndicate as a whole feels way too modern and futuristic in my opinion, and the UIs too. It feels weird that there’s the normal medieval stuff in the world and then a random company that is years ahead of everyone else, technology-wise. It just feels very out of place in the world, and I think it would be better if it was reimagined to have a much more medieval style instead of modern. All the modernized stuff that I’ve been seeing recently seems way out of place for Wynncraft, so I think the Silverbull Syndicate’s idea should be changed to be more medieval. Not the actual effects of the subscription and shares, but just the idea and lore. It just feels so modern, the UIs do too, and I don’t like the direction it’s going.

jade reef
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it's only out of place until they make everything else have a modern+futuristic UI like

wet spire
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what about it is futuristic and ahead of everyone else

loud shuttle
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Havent people beaten this point to death already

wet spire
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the uis, fair

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the idea of a large corporation in a fantasy world isnt particularly outlandish though

fathom bramble
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wynncraft has robots

wet spire
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true

steep dune
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Well only bc the corkians have like electro magic, makes sense lore wise for robots

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And it is steampunk not futuristic right?

wet spire
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given that they seemingly have a monopoly on lootrunning, a way to get a lot of money, as well as probably raids?

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based on the trailer and the grandmaster type stuff

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which is something we see in lootrunning as well

fathom bramble
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i would consider silverbull to be a pretty "fantasy" implementation of a huge trading guild

wet spire
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yea same

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the uis being a bit more modern is kinda shrug

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@ 7 seconds

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so i mean yeah given those 2 things, i think it makes sense to have a guild with a monopoly over the 2 biggest money makers in the game to be extremely rich, even building a headquarters out of quartz and hiring a bunch of employees for it too

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large trading guild!!!!

open wraith
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They really built their HQ out of combustible material too

They don't give a damn

wet spire
hearty apex
# wet spire what about it is futuristic and ahead of everyone else

mostly just the uis and the npc skins for me. the lootrun uis have been talked about enough but generally the whole thing seems more like something you’d see today rather than in a fantasy world. besides the whole lootrunning thing though lmao. but like, it doesn’t feel like a big trading guild in a fantasy world at all, but rather a corporate company that seems more like todays’

wet spire
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all companies are gonna be trying to make money in some fascet

open wraith
wet spire
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idk why you are dismissing greed as something that only happens today

open wraith
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In lore at least

wet spire
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with the uh

hearty apex
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i’m not talking about the money thing at all

wet spire
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supercharged quartz

hearty apex
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i’m talking about what it looks like and feels like lol

open wraith
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If they ever go bankrupt due to financial fraud they supercharge the building and fake their deaths

wet spire
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real

keen goblet
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With how much they’re taking over I legit won’t be surprised if the organization turns out to be a bigger antagonist than WynnEx

wet spire
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gotta maintain professionalism to their clients across the provinces

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and as an avid enjoyer of medieval high fantasy

tepid skiff
wet spire
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its something you see a lot in the genre

hearty apex
tepid skiff
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Wynncraft has a lot of things that look modern

hearty apex
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if i can find a picture of it hold on

tepid skiff
hearty apex
wet spire
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theres a supercomputer in corkus and bros complaining about modern looking uniforms

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💀

tepid skiff
wet spire
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should we remove the sharpshooter rifle weapon skin then?

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since its too modern for you?

hearty apex
dire root
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its colour tone is not that out of place compare to silverbull company uis imo...

wet spire
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a supercomputer is NOT steampunk

tepid skiff
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Yea Wynn has other pieces of content that are modern and you choose to complain about Silverbull?

dire root
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which bit

tepid skiff
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Silverbull, a trading guild, something that existed in real life, and many fantasy games

hearty apex
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i mean there’s corkus, which is steampunk, and ok yea there’s a supercomputer but still

tepid skiff
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With uniforms that aren’t far fetched and other trading guilds in other games would use

wet spire
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ok now you are dismissing it as an option because

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"but still"

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lovely

hearty apex
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an option? i don’t understand

azure ermine
wet spire
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ah yes true

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but like

tepid skiff
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Like I don’t really like Silverbull for my own reasons but it clashing with the art style doesn’t feel like a valid one

wet spire
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still a lot of money!

hearty apex
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i mean either way it’s not that big of a deal, i just wanted to share what i thought about it which is, it seems too modern for most of the game

tepid skiff
wet spire
tepid skiff
wet spire
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to be fair

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i dont think its cause of the real money being tied to it

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its more for like an

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in lore reason for why lootrunning and i suppose raiding now too exist

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at least thats the way i see it

hearty apex
wet spire
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well raiding already had a reason, but lootrunning not so much

tepid skiff
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The thing is LRing and Raiding existed before Silverbull, now their new iterations are tied to this new company that’s first introduction was a thing you could buy with real money to obtain currency in game

wet spire
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well lring wasnt an official thing before

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it was an unofficial concept

tepid skiff
wet spire
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i dont think that disputes what I am saying

hearty apex
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i mean the “official” version of it was only created because the “unofficial” version of it sucked a lot

wet spire
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its an official concept now, not just a player idea

hearty apex
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i think that makes it official to some extent

wet spire
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and as such it should have a lore reason accompanying its existance

fair harness
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Cinfras can build elevators

keen goblet
tepid skiff
hearty apex
tepid skiff
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With a design that wouldn’t feel out of place for an actual medieval town

keen goblet
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Silverbull uniforms are fine for me tbh

wet spire
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i agree

hearty apex
fair harness
hearty apex
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in the uis i mean

tepid skiff
hearty apex
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hmm i haven’t done much looking there so idrk

keen goblet
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The UIs have really been the only thing I had any real issue with since 2.0

The ability tree’s stony tome look was great but stuff like the content book I really hated

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And now all the UIs are being remade to look… smoother

fair harness
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Also doesn’t corkus have like pretty modern everything

fair harness
dire root
wet spire
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(its not that different, get real)

dire root
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im real

hearty apex
hearty apex
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i mean the environment, not so much, but it still has a unique feel to it and the city is entirely different

wooden wind
# wet spire theres a supercomputer in corkus and bros complaining about modern looking unifo...

i mean, even if i can't rationally pinpoint why, you can surely see that it's different

given that Wynn, like much of fantasy, is real world physics + magic on top; the supercomputer is simply a result of magic accelerating development in specific areas (at the very least, that's how corkus exists)

moreover, the factory/supercomputer are the pinnacle of corkus's technological achievements (not unlike the heart of llevigar)

in any case, the supercomputer is a consequence of how technological development would likely mirror our own world (but accelerated in some places)

there is little reason to believe that a modern style in the world of wynn (which is not strictly a technological change) would strictly map onto what a modern style in our world is like

wet spire
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you seem to have missed a key word there

fair harness
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Idk silverbull is rich so I don’t think it’s that unthinkable that they just paid someone really cool to make stuff for them

wet spire
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yeah...

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the skins are fine

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this is basically just another ui complaints post

hearty apex
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god forbid actual feedback in the channel made for feedback

wet spire
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trading companies exist
silverbull has a monopoly on lootruns, and raids with this coming update
its not outlandish to assume that a really rich company would require uniforms, nor make them look nice

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so then it just comes down to the uis

hearty apex
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yea i mean, it’s not outlandish. i just feel like they are a little too modern but maybe it’s just me

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like they can look nice and be more fantasy styled

fair harness
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Idk what ct actually think but the uis could just be the kind of theme they’re going with for new stuff, all that modernizing wynncraft stuff

wet spire
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i mean surely the economic superpower would have sooooome more advanced styles and stuff

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gotta use the money to develop

hearty apex
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true

hearty apex
wet spire
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idk

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i like the raid gui tho

fair harness
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Maybe their ceo is just a wynncraft Elon musk and they’re making shit like cybertrucks to look cool

wet spire
hearty apex
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the thing that bugs me about the uis the most, more than the actual uis, is the font inconsistency

wet spire
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lootrun gui is a bit more bland

wooden wind
wet spire
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ok but like

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what if it did look like our advanced styles

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theres nothing saying it cant

hearty apex
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shubdow can you bypass the 10 second slowmode

wet spire
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i can

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:)

hearty apex
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shubdow can you remove the 10 second slowmode

wet spire
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nope

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actually i can

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but i wont

hearty apex
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ok anyway

wet spire
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maybe like

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the lore could get solidifed more in shq worker dialogues idk

hearty apex
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maybe

wet spire
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and after that its just the lr gui, which i have no idea if thats gonna change at any point so shrug

hearty apex
wet spire
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i dont expect it to happen any time soon tho

hearty apex
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yea sadly i think if they were going to change it, they would have

keen goblet
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Except for I guess Antikythera’s boss rooms

wet spire
keen goblet
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Oh sorry I misinterpreted

wet spire
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that and sorta the automatic robot making facility that is the factory

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tho thats part of antikythera

keen goblet
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Yeah but even then the rest of the Factory doesn’t seem “modern”

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It’s only Antikythera boss rooms that feel like it

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The rest just feels like a… factory
Just not one for this era

hearty apex
zenith karma
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do the bots share the same internet connection

wicked birch
# wet spire trading companies exist silverbull has a monopoly on lootruns, and raids with th...

the most uncanny thing about silverbull is that they are rich because uh yeah
I guess the idea is that the trade market is supposed to represent trading with and by the guild of Silverbull, but they don't run the uniforms and look more like a bazaar. They also don't do quality control (i.e. you can sell red ID items) or price control (you only get a recommended average price)
While lootruns at least make some sense - the loot just appears and they happen to collect it; raid monopoly doesn't - canonically smacking some of the most threatening being around for profit (now with self inflicted challenges!), and it implies all effort is futile

wet spire
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well realistically they are doing more than lootruns and raids

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but the fact of the matter is that they are incredibly rich because of their monopoly

wicked birch
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Trade market has silverbull tax and is the closest to functioning like a trading guild. If it is unrelated, silverbull has no evidence of doing anything but lootruns

wet spire
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ah true

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forgot about that whoops

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so then they are also getting money off of said tax as well

keen goblet
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Are lootruns even canon
I really doubt there’s enough stuff found in the wild to fund at least a portion of the Silverbull Company

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And even if there is, the company sure would have looted and ravaged every square inch of whatever region they set up their camps in by now

wicked birch
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Oh yeah also tm placement implies Troms is trading with Detlas through Nesaak which means crossing great bridge regularly

rapid pollen
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Like if you're gonna complain about them. Complain about the fact llevigar is a literal nuke

zenith karma
wet spire
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the passage

zenith karma
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Besides, what's stopping the traders or market brokers from using scrolls to transport goods?

fair harness
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I’m sure if these guys can set up a lootrun camp in lutho they can kill some mobs on the great bridge

wicked birch
wicked birch
keen goblet
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I want to read it

wicked birch
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I guess it is not directly stated the player set up the camp or wrote the entry

zenith karma
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that's enough for small transactions

bright magnet
wet spire
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Ok but you don't keep in mind that the colossus technically malfunctions over and over and over every time you run tcc

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Since all you are doing is "reseting" it

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As an in lore reason for why the raid is repeatable or something stupid

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There are plenty of lore issues

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Bigger than silverbull making a profit off things

dull dragon
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||Aledar|| died for this

main igloo
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Silverbull be like: ah yes, making people walk into rooms and open random boxes and letting them keep everything is a very lucrative business indeed

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How about we pay these people our life savings!

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Ohh, this is gonna make us rich

fathom bramble
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lootrunning is probably some kind of money laundering

main igloo
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That’s fun

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So uhh, can I join the REAL buisness

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That would actually be a cool quest where u help silverbull cary out the real business and learn that loot runs and raids are just a cover to make the emeralds clean

zenith karma
main igloo
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Like the arena I run in my school playground!

zenith karma
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awesome

main igloo
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I bet 5 bucks on the five year old

fair harness
wet spire
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so true...

fair harness
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When are we getting lari vs the silverbull ceo

wet spire
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shhhh thats saved for dern storylines

fair harness
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Real

tepid skiff
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In order to prevent people from entering Dern he decided to distract them with LRs and Raids

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Now he can do his weird evil plans in peace

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Notice how if you re-arrange the letters in Silverbull Company you get “Dernic Beast company”

azure ermine
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wow!

tepid skiff
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CT should recruit me, I obviously have extreme talent when it comes to story writing

main igloo
open wraith
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Me, about to save Gavel and defeat the Decay, freeing it's influence from Orphion

Silverbull employee: If you do it with one arm tied behind your back and cast with your non-dominant hand, I'll double your reward because too many people are betting on you to clear this

wet spire
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Lmao

hearty apex
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maybe there could be something where you have to do the raid by itself before you can do gambits or something

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though we haven’t tried beta yet so that might already be a thing

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also beta when

wet spire
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Eventually

tepid skiff
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I mean lorewise it doesn’t make sense but also it’s basically the hard mode of raids that some people asked for, them trying to explain it in universe at all is kind of funny considering outside of like FF14, no MMOs explain why their hardmodes exist

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FF14’s lore explanation is that you tell the story of clearing the normal mode of a raid to a bard and that bard is like “That sounds neat but what if also there was a big second dragon and the floor was lava and the boss was holding your family at gunpoint”

hearty apex
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yeah true

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it would be cool if they had a lore reason for doing the raid again, i think some games have it where you are like, reliving the memory, but idk if that would make much sense for wynn.

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but either way it’ll be super cool so it’s not really a big deal lol

tepid skiff
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@wet spire when are we getting the testicular torsion modifier for raids

hearty apex
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testicular torsion WHEN

azure ermine
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even before 2.1, you end up running raids over and over again

hearty apex
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yeah that’s true

hearty apex
azure ermine
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it wouldnt give you rewards

hearty apex
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yea that’s fair

azure ermine
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it'd be a one time thing to be able to complete the story without needing to interact with other players

hearty apex
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that’d be very cool

main igloo
hearty apex
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yea true

rapid pollen
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I would love to just do a normal raid by myself

main igloo
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Raid? By myself? i would die in 2 seconds