cant react to feedback posts with no reactions

[verbal tusk]

so recently it seems reactions were disabled for accounts that do not have a rank role on discord.

this is fine because we can still react if somebody else has reacted to the message before, however this means that regular users cannot be the first to vote on a feedback post.

this is especially an issue for posts such as https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1237541634258763857,
which have only been reacted to with super reactions, that non-paying discord users cannot add a reaction to.

another side effect i noticed is that for non ranked discord accounts, there is no longer a preview that shows the most reacted reaction on the threads list. this makes it much harder to browse the list and can only be fixed by reverting the change

solution:
add a discord bot that automatically reacts and to every thread in this channel
or
revert the change and add a verification system to prevent bot raids

[fluid star]

removing soul points would also resolve this issue

[grim glacier]

i would this but sadly i have no rank :(

[verbal tusk]

i assume the change was to avoid having reaction spam on threads, but honestly they should just limit the reactions thing to this channel if that's the case

[grim glacier]

it was cuz of bots in #memes doing hate speech stuff with reactions

[verbal tusk]

bruh

literally just add a user verification bot like every other server

[daring ledge]

Be graced with a

[grim glacier]

ty rankie

[verbal tusk]

old thread view vs new thread view
||yes i just screenshot the wynntils server for a comparison picture||

[grizzled vine]

For reference:

[minor bear]

honestly quite incredible

[rose citrus]

i agree as a victim of the great malfunction in account linking please give us (including some of us who do have ranks but were taken by the bot) our perms back..

[dusky saffron]

rip

[astral rivet]

"this is especially an issue for posts such as: [that post]"
You don't need to react to it anyways. It's a bug report in the wrong place, not feedback.

[verbal tusk]

the point is that people who have a rank may react to legitimate feedback posts with super reacts, and non paying discord users can't vote until someone uses a normal react

[astral rivet]

I use super reacts if something is a bug, is confirmed to be added, or is confirmed to not be added.

[verbal tusk]

good to know however you are not the only person who can super react, and this is by no means an established convention

example is not the best, but the point still stands and i dont think it is reasonable to expect me to find a better example because this change was only implemented recently

[raw wolf]

”another side effect i noticed is that for non ranked discord accounts, there is no longer a preview that shows the most reacted reaction on the threads list. this makes it much harder to browse the list and can only be fixed by reverting the change” this is literally just a good thing

Now people need to think a bit for themselves instead of going into a post with their mind already made up

[bright olive]

Doesn't work for me so maybe its just a bug

Like, I can still see the most reacted emote on a thread even w/o opening it

[grim glacier]

its not even a bug wtf

you just removed reactions so now we cant react, do u want us to make a bug report on forums about a discord issue within a specific channel or something?

[bright olive]

I know, I can't react to these posts either
I was talking about this

I can still see the most reacted emote on a thread even w/o opening it

[grim glacier]

i was more responding to madeline

[bright olive]

Ah, sorry about that

[grim glacier]

np np

[raw wolf]

She said the example included in this post is a bug report, not THIS post

[tulip spire]

i think when they do it theyll add a proper fix (which shubdow said would be allowing people linked to forums to react) and I believe that would take some time to implement

[verbal tusk]

if people make up their mind based on reactions, they will make up their mind anyway by clicking on the thread and looking at the reactions in there, without reading the post.

the only thing this does is make the channel more tedious to browse for non rank holders

case in point, this person voted based on their assumed interpretation of my thread title #1236505370881556630 message

[raw wolf]

Maybe they can learn to read the thread before checking the votes

[raw wolf]

That guy is a known idiot idk why hes ur example

[verbal tusk]

he is my example because the people who do things like bandwagon on the highest reactions, or not read the thread, are all the same kind of people

[raw wolf]

And if he made up his mind just reading the title then what does the votes have to do with anything?

[verbal tusk]

the point i'm trying to make is that people who do stuff like that will still do that even if u make it inconvenient for them

[raw wolf]

Idk it feels like youre lumping similar but unrelated problems in a hive

[verbal tusk]

the only way to make people learn to read threads is by using a voting bot that hides vote results until you vote, and blocks you from voting until you read through the whole post

[verbal tusk]

its two of the same type of lazy. too lazy to read the thread so they bandwagon on the highest reaction, and too lazy to read the thread so they vote based on the title

[raw wolf]

Yall are too fucking fixated on the votes anyways, only thing that matters is if CT likes the feedback or not. Doesnt matter if something has 2000 upvotes

[raw wolf]

Hes probably a redditor as well and they cant get helped anyways

[verbal tusk]

thats not quite true. feedback in the form of balance concerns for example, is not something that CT will "like". thats why its feedback. the vote system is a way to let CT know how much of the community agrees with the feedback, so that they dont get a ton of post talking about the exact same thing, or people sending "+1" to indicate their agreement when they have nothing else to add to the conversation

or another way to put it, the voting system is a way to make ct's lives easier by sorting posts people agree on to the top. If people cannot easily vote, the voting system is less effective

[grim glacier]

oh okay my b

thanks for clarifying

[raw wolf]

Idk what your point exactly is but some up and dowmvotes arent affecting the CT’s opinion and even if something is downvoted CT still check it out

The votes do nothing but feed into people’s egos

And sway opinion of the weakminded

[verbal tusk]

my point is not about affecting ct's opinion nor determining whether ct will check out the post. I'm saying that votes can be used to gauge the community's opinion on stuff, which is a useful metric for ct

heres a quick example:
a change gets pushed that changes the cps cap of the game. someone doesnt like the change, so they make a post about it.

with votes:

• post gets pushed more easily to the top of the channel, where ct can find it easily
• ct can see how upvoted or downvoted it is to gauge the community's response to the cps changes
• they can then skim through the discussion to get a better idea of the nuances
• ct then decide amongst themselves how to proceed

without votes:

• ct need to dig a bit more to find the post
• ct then need to read through the discussion to gauge the consensus, because there is no number they can look at.
• ct then decide amongst themselves how to proceed

[raw wolf]

I dont think thats true at all, theyre more likely to look at and get involved in the discussion in chat rather than just looking at the votes

[verbal tusk]

that depends on how much time the individual person has to scroll discord. votes bring things to ct's attention quickly which saves them time. its a tried and tested system, just look at github

sure the ct can choose to read through the entire lengthy discussion, but votes offers an alternative. why have 1 solution when you can have 2?

alternatively, look at how commonly polls are used for voting in other contexts. the person gathering feedback could just read a message board's entire conversation on the topic, but using a poll saves alot more time. reactions on discord threads are just a built in poll system

[fluid star]

Add petition as well