Fallen Factory item costs

[graceful solstice]

Every item from Fallen Factory costs at least 4 antikythera chips.
Considering the relative length of the dungeon, I propose that the prices for the items be decreased significantly (maybe halved?)
Looking at EO which in my experience has a similar length, all the items cost either 2 or 3 pupils.
In order to never need a single antikythera chip ever again you need a total of 56, as opposed to only 21 pupils.
So I think halving the price of all the fallen factory items is perfectly reasonable

[dreamy mortar]

i agree but would very strongly argue that EO takes WAY less time than FF

like half the time easily

[graceful solstice]

all depends on experience
mostly due to the parkour sections
(and also dps, although with current dps numbers the eye really doesn't take very long)

[compact birch]

FF also has significantly more lag so its a lot more painful to grind for ppl with weaker pcs

[graceful solstice]

yeah

[dreamy mortar]

EO has: room w/ back and forth to get 16 tokens. Movement spell up the light bridge, dont fall down. Reversion Catalyst room, fight 5 minibosses that all melt under 2.0 dmg. parkour (it's really easy...). and then the eye which is a bit slow only cuz the two waiting stages (falling eyes and eye lasers)

FF has: room where u collect 25 scrap to build a pathway up. Follow carpet through pipes. End up on conveyor belt, walk along conveyor belt. death fake-out into the two stronger enemy fights. break open door and enter clockwork mechanism room. this room is annoying as fuck but not that hard to get through. definitely takes a min. leave that room, get told to kiss your sister. fight more minibosses for the cores. go through vents. kill wynnston. gather up scrap to take out firewall A. then go take out firewall B. then gather more scrap and cores to climb up and blow a hole in the door. go through both firewalls and THEN enter the boss room. doesn;t hold up to 2.0 dps but man is antikythera fast so it lives longer than you might expect

total waste of my time to write that boring ass paragraph but yeah they don't feel similar in length to me at all

[white aspen]

"total waste of [...] time" JUST LIKE FF

Barrier parkour is only hard if you like literally have no depth perception or something

[karmic thistle]

tbh i think this goes for all dungeons, like grinding dungeons 6 times in a row for an item is not fun

[graceful solstice]

at least the others are very speedrunnable

like, undergrowth ruins takes 10 minutes at most

[white aspen]

does csst get a pass for requiring 6 tokens for its weapons?

[graceful solstice]

csst is pretty quick and easy

[white aspen]

Those at least are powerful enough to still be used in endgame despite being level 86

[graceful solstice]

judas, a level 89 weapon.
89 = 86 fr

[compact birch]

csst is such a W dungeon, fun, fast, good items

[graceful solstice]

hashr needs a bit more to his boss fight tho

[white aspen]

wiki didnt give me weapon levels, only dungeon, mb bro

[compact birch]

thats true

[karmic thistle]

csst is fun but probably not if you are running it numerous times consecutively

[graceful solstice]

i ran it like 12 times (in a row) once
it's not actually that tedious

[karmic thistle]

i mean i do have like 14 TLS runs by now but those are nonconsecutive

[compact birch]

i would still rather run a lot of cssts than like cib or something

[white aspen]

cib is fun everyone should run it 6 times in a row for conduit

[karmic thistle]

the invis eye parkour 💀

[white aspen]

disclaimer: not fun, i'd rather do milestone 6 of hpsb mining comissions again

[graceful solstice]

cib is pain to do even once
i guess that balances out conduit rune of safe passage

[compact birch]

honestly harder than the eo parkour

[karmic thistle]

average hsb commission taking like 1 hour to do

[white aspen]

genuinely whats the problem with it

Hold shift, the path is the same, only one fake out

[graceful solstice]

the eye parkour is the best part of cib in my opinion lol

[karmic thistle]

eye parkour is just kinda boring ig

[white aspen]

IT LASTS LIKE 2 MINUTES COME ON

IF YOU FALL LIKE 3 TIMES

[compact birch]

its such a "RAHH JUST LET ME LEAVE" type parkour

[karmic thistle]

i get that its short but still its just boring

[white aspen]

RELEASE MEEEEEEE

[karmic thistle]

why is everyone yelling lmao

[dreamy mortar]

csst gets a pass because i have two stacks of Hashr Bone from 2018

[compact birch]

its honestly not much of a parkour at all its just a very slow walk

[graceful solstice]

yeah
much more enjoyable then literally every other part of cib
(except that run room if you have enough ws to speed past every single wall)

[white aspen]

but you're "bored" for such a short amount of time, so it shouldnt matter

[karmic thistle]

ig

[white aspen]

If you want boring, mess up the ice wall section

[karmic thistle]

the one where u have to run fast enough right

isnt it flat out broken

[graceful solstice]

the one with barriers like 2 blocks off the ground so you can't movement spell

[compact birch]

at least then u can get mad at something for stopping u from getting through the wall

[karmic thistle]

last time i did it was a few months ago and the ice walls didnt spawn, and i dont know if they patched it

[compact birch]

idk its not broken in normal ib

[karmic thistle]

whichever GM did this should be demoted bruh 😭

[compact birch]

on god

[karmic thistle]

imagine it was salted or an admin and i said demote them

[compact birch]

should still be demoted

[karmic thistle]

i doubt salted or admins do that sorta stuff though, i feel like their main focus would be managing everything and coding

[white aspen]

Anyway back to fallen factory,

[karmic thistle]

maybe salted is at fault for allowing this to happen

[white aspen]

absolute bs

[karmic thistle]

how long is FF again, like 15 mins?

[white aspen]

too long

[compact birch]

depends on ur ping and pc a lot

[graceful solstice]

too long and too unintuitive

[karmic thistle]

well 15 mins is in a way like an endgame speedrun

fastest FF run is 8 mins wtf
and that is fastest, avg player would take longer ofc

they probs used Shaman for aoe + Magnet for drops+ Cryo for mana for the parkour

[compact birch]

i remember my first ff run the run past the obstacles on the conveyor belt took me like 20 mins because i had like 0.2 fps the whole time

[karmic thistle]

fr

[white aspen]

I swear the boss sometimes just eats mob drop tokens it shouldnt

[karmic thistle]

one time in FF the token collector was broken in the boss so i had no choice but to leave dungeon 💀

[graceful solstice]

you could beat minecraft faster than ff

[karmic thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Kkw-BQVVQ they used bolt divzer

honestly though why use divzer when anyway the FF mobs' hp are low enough to 1 shot iwth most builds, or at least melt in under 5s

[white aspen]

Shouldve used shade hmelee 😔

[karmic thistle]

shaman would probs be best for its aoe

[graceful solstice]

hymn of hate 🙂

[karmic thistle]

hymn of hate shaman + gravity + morph cryo (bc mana ig) would probably be the ideal speedrun build for FF

but anyway like yeah FF is def stupidly long where even the fastest run is 7:48 so it would make sense to cut the costs down (Maybe for legendaries like 4 and rares/accessories like 3)

[white aspen]

nuh uh ball blender clears for aoe (this is a LIE)

[compact birch]

i think warp bender and stack -1st cost and use heal for aoe dmg

[white aspen]

blizzard wizard

[karmic thistle]

honestly though

i do hope 2.1 brings something so that these dungeon costs are not repetitive to obtain, esp since its an endgame update

[white aspen]

instead 2.1 gives us cff with even worse costs, even worse time to clear, and fucking broken items

[compact birch]

dungeon delves like monumenta that give multiple of the dungeon drops per run

[karmic thistle]

maybe there will be something that makes dungeons like lootruns?

[graceful solstice]

conduit but earth/thunder

[karmic thistle]

im pretty sure they were gonna add dungeon modifiers in 2.0 but the idea got scrapped for later

[white aspen]

conduit but it's also delirium

[compact birch]

aw man

[white aspen]

"later" 👀

[untold stag]

Nah, talking about the Tol set which will 100% be meta or something

[karmic thistle]

idk if its ever gonna get added

[graceful solstice]

ek and az feeling forgotten

[karmic thistle]

https://wynncraft.fandom.com/wiki/Version_2.0 oh yeah here special modifiers

modifiers for dungeons were going to be added but got delayed

[graceful solstice]

fandom

[dreamy mortar]

[karmic thistle]

fandom still pops up as first link..

[dreamy mortar]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Version_2.0

[karmic thistle]

now i dont get a gazillion ads!!!

[dreamy mortar]

and it doesnt fucking eat ram

[karmic thistle]

but anyway like yeah it seems like dungeon modifiers were gonna be a thing but got delayed, so im hoping 2.1 adds something like it, esp since its an endgame update

[graceful solstice]

and for gods sake cib and cls rework

[karmic thistle]

it will add a way to do dungeons without them getting overrepetitive

[karmic thistle]

CIB rework would come with an IB rework, they need a good foundation to redo CIB

[graceful solstice]

fair
ib rework and cls rework and then cib rework

[karmic thistle]

maybe CLS -> CTLS, then IB rework then CIB rework

also i wonder if fruma will introduce CFF, because if you follow the 4 corrupted dungeon level increment per 9 dungeon level increment rule (like diff between IB and UR is 9 lvls, but CIB and CUR is 4 levels), then CFF would be lvl 110

so maybe CFF becomes level 110 in fruma?

[graceful solstice]

well that's speculation for another day

[karmic thistle]

yea

if 2.1 tho is actually dungeon modifiers i wonder then how would the image relate to that

[graceful solstice]

🤷

[dreamy mortar]

isn't there room in forge for cff?

[karmic thistle]

yeah

[dreamy mortar]

pretty sure there's an empty door tho that might juts be my memory from CGG being not-added for so long

[karmic thistle]

i meant CFF is lvl 110 when fruma releases possibly

[dreamy mortar]

i know that we wont get corrupted EO

[graceful solstice]

there is in fact an empty door that looks very similar to how ff looks

[dreamy mortar]

(also doesnt even make sense like how is the dark being corrupted like what)

[graceful solstice]

corrupted eo would be so goofy lorewise

[karmic thistle]

CEO at level 115 🔥

[graceful solstice]

chief executive officer

[karmic thistle]

its not even know yet if fruma will go to 115

minus bonus levels it will probably end at 115, i doubt a whole province larger than corkus will only fit 5 levels but i also doubt it will fill 15 levels

[graceful solstice]

or just have more content per level

[karmic thistle]

yea

could be that the max lvl is 110 but you experience so much in between each level

[graceful solstice]

especially since if it adds too many extra levels it'll really mess up the mythic market

[dreamy mortar]

Corrupted Corrupted Sand-Swept Tomb at 125 🔥🔥🔥 NOW WE'RE COOKING

[lapis kestrel]

biggest time sink ever with only few valuable items offered by itself

[untold stag]

Hey be glad its not eo :clueless:

[lapis kestrel]

And some people never get past that even with great efforts.

[lapis kestrel]

you're right
I don't know a single item from EO that has seen great usage ever since 2.0

[untold stag]

Ambivalence...
Never forget what they took from you

[lapis kestrel]

You can outgrow the entirety of the dungeon before you even obtain some set items. You'd find yourself having access to superior items from random caves nearby after getting one or two item from the dungeon.

[lapis kestrel]

I don't think I can agree with that when it's absolutely possible to rush through a lot of invisible paths in CIB as long as you notice when turns (indicated by the floating heads) are made and you have absolute security in clearing that "puzzle" if you just proceed while holding shift tightly.

[lapis kestrel]

I think they should lift the arbitrary time sinks posed by those barriers as soon as you kill the enemies nearby.

[lapis kestrel]

What were the specifications of your PC?
Does it have like 2 GB of ram and a two-core CPU from more than 5 years ago? Could it be a laptop with inadequate cooling and without constant charging?

[lapis kestrel]

Can someone use time dilation and just run through the entirety of some sections without pausing?

[compact birch]

the cib thing is slow asf if u shift walk it and if u dont shift walk it its really easy to fall off the sides or ends but eo parkour is just look down and press space

[lapis kestrel]

in the CIB one
ws actively assists you
in the EO parkour
ws can actively hinder performance

I think they should just lock the WS to vanilla value for that specific EO parkour

[compact birch]

i think eo parkour is free regardless of walkspeed

[lapis kestrel]

if you have mobility options like teleport...

gl if you are archer with too much ws

[compact birch]

ive done it on strati with speed 3 and a -40% ws build and both times i did it within like 3 tries (this was before the particle on the floor btw)

[lapis kestrel]

I did too
It's more of a QoL issue and how time-consuming it can be

[compact birch]

it takes like 1-2 mins for the whole parkour theres really no problems

[lapis kestrel]

yea it's a breeze if you decent amount of ws

how does that matter for those without decent ws?

[compact birch]

just do it anyway 3-4 mins tops

[lapis kestrel]

yea I guess just make those who still do EO get lucky or something

[compact birch]

whar?

[valid oracle]

Tp is not good for skipping eo parkour

Because you cannot tp when you are right up against a barrier

[lapis kestrel]

try looking up a bit?
surely that would work

[valid oracle]

Wut

[lapis kestrel]

y'know you can move your camera

[compact birch]

thats not the problem

[lapis kestrel]

you mean barriers block your teleport?
just move your camera away from barrier

[compact birch]

i think u dont know how tp works lol

if ur head is too close to a block tp pretty much refuses to work unless u tp straight down

[lapis kestrel]

I don't think the ceiling is that low

[compact birch]

and when the block thats close to ur head is a barrier and u have about 0.5 seconds before being tped to the start of the parkour then its pretty hard to turn to the right direction and tp

[lapis kestrel]

I remember being able to fly through an entire section of the path with escape

[compact birch]

yeah because its escape and escape is not tp

[lapis kestrel]

is this actually tested?

pretyt sure warrior and assassin can still have easier time with the parkour

[compact birch]

??? no shit man how many mages do u think have done eo and tried to skip the parkour with tp

also is this u? @lapis kestrel

[lapis kestrel]

what about it

[compact birch]

i think u should avoid commenting about classes u dont have much experience with (everything except archer)

[lapis kestrel]

Sure but I don't think there should be much of a debate about adding a switch to let the player do parkour with normal WS

[compact birch]

i think the game shouldnt be made easier whenever something that might be slightly not trivial exists

[valid oracle]

Just remove ws gear when parkouring if it bothers you that much

[north spruce]

don't forget the buggy elevator

[graceful solstice]

holy 40 s
i guess everyone hates ff huh

[gray wagon]

I love ff

But I couldn’t bear to run it like 6 times

[graceful solstice]

yeah

[rough hawk]

ok i love ff but it’s still slow

[dreamy mortar]

same

[graceful solstice]

while we're on the topic of ff please for the love of god make it a bit clearer where you're supposed to go during the gears parkour section

[dreamy mortar]

agreed!

[rough hawk]

make it have more than one path?

ik there’s two ways up in the 3rd part, but maybe add more ways to get through the barrier ceilings?

[karmic thistle]

if wynncraft pathing is bad you would probably hate hsb or monu dungeons

from what i know they are way more labrynthine

[graceful solstice]

not at all

[karmic thistle]

wait their pathing is clearer?

[graceful solstice]

you get a literal map in hsb lmao
and there's no barriers everywhere

[karmic thistle]

hsb u do get a whole map but it doesn't account for y level and it can still get u messed up a bit but i also barely ever played hsb so idk

[graceful solstice]

"but it doesn't account for y level "
because it doesn't need to?

[karmic thistle]

ig not but idk

i mean ive done ff more than hsb but hsb ones felt more unclear

[graceful solstice]

not at all
i used to play hsb dungeons a bunch
they're not unclear in the slightest
mostly due to the lack of barriers

[karmic thistle]

ill take your word then bc i barely pllayed hsb dungeons at all

ig its bc ive played wynn like a lot more than hsb?

[graceful solstice]

yeah probably

i mean it's all based on experience really

[karmic thistle]

i think hsb dungeons could be confusing at first but you probably get the hang of it

dungeons and raids would also be confusing to a newcomer tho ig

[graceful solstice]

nah, wynn dungeons are pretty linear
and raids do explain the objectives of each challenge room

[karmic thistle]

dungeons makes sense but with raids its kinda eh

youd probably use pfinder for a first time and teammates are not very supportive, and you probs wouldnt be able to comprehend what the hologram is saying the first time

[graceful solstice]

when i was new to raids i only ever found 2 rooms somewhat confusing (TNA tree maze and TCC lava platforms)

[white aspen]

hpsb dungeons navigation isnt bad, it's pretty linear

[graceful solstice]

well hsb dungeons are bad in their own ways lol
but navigation is quite easy

[lapis kestrel]

at least you are meant to explore them...

[lapis kestrel]

you can take reference to the map for the general layout of a room
and try to align where the pathways are in relation to your position and check vertical spaces if no pathways are in sight

I remember only having trouble with one giant room in particular

[wispy terrace]

yeah rerunning dungeons fucking blows, ill bring this up in CT chat

[dreamy mortar]

i juts came up with a revolutionary idea.

between every room in the dungeon is a buff room where u get to pick between buffs that can give u a ton of spell damage, or mana regen, or hp, or hpr, etc
the enemies in future rooms get buffed as well tho so effecitvely theres no different but you feel cooler seeing a bajillion health go down quickly

best part is you wont even need to use a well-put together build, you juts rely on buffs!

[karmic thistle]

FF and CFF in fruma is real

[graceful solstice]

just slap raid buffs and lr stats onto dungeons lmao
i love it

[wispy terrace]

ok changed for 2.1

ty for feedback @graceful solstice 🙏

[karmic thistle]

real

oh wait you meant the item costs

[graceful solstice]

lmao

[karmic thistle]

i thought you were saying that rerunning dungeons system got changed in like less than day

[graceful solstice]

lmao

[dreamy mortar]

the ultimate troll now that we know 2.1's never coming