Boltslinger/Overall archer tree

[feral gyro]

it's another thing to know if they actually tried to fly with it

[somber fossil]

.... did you miss the message where one of the people involved in the development literally told you it was intended

[earnest elbow]

the internal name of Arrow Hurricane is, without exaggeration, Helicopter

[feral gyro]

is it actually play tested?

I don't know how anyone would find storm flight comfortable

[earnest elbow]

this was one of the first things done.

[feral gyro]

😨

[earnest elbow]

salted kept telling us "come test this shit is crazy what you can do"

[feral gyro]

great

[plush kettle]

i mean its pretty natural to go from "yo this does so much recoil" to "can i fly with this?"

[earnest elbow]

he gave it plenty of time and thought, even if I disagree about recoil overall

[feral gyro]

did he consider crowd control

[earnest elbow]

do I look like I know his exact thought process

I can't walk you through every single little thing he thought but with how much he was going around testing things in the creation of the AT and how much other people tested I can guarantee you this is intentional and tested

[feral gyro]

all I can ask for is something that reinforces the playstyle and crowd control for boltslinger as a whole 🥹

[plush kettle]

isnt cc supposed to be what trapper does

[plush kettle]

also wdym reinforces the playstyle?

what playstyle r u talking about

[feral gyro]

storm flight is where the DPS spell becomes mobility spell and you kinda lose out on crowd control or AoE damage

[feral gyro]

I think all 3 archetypes should at least have some level of crowd control

[plush kettle]

if they make it so flying bolt does as good dps as it does now and has good cc then why would anyone play any archer playstyle other than flying bolt

[feral gyro]

What if the damage of fierce stomp scales with the falling distance?

Pretty sure that would synergize with storm flight

[plush kettle]

yeah but which flying bolt player is gonna use fierce stomp even if that was added? wouldnt it just be better to keep flying instead of landing on top of whatever ur trying to kill

[celest arrow]

isn't bolt supposed to be like fire a million arrows for high damage close range

but one of the archetype defining abilities ((angels)) deletes your useful defense utility for ranged angels with 2 damage
the other ((((arrow hurricane)) has kb so you can't strafe at all using it until you get elusive
Get hit and you have to wait 4 seconds to do anything yay!!!!

We love boltslinger the least counterproductive archetype

[plush kettle]

whar

[feral gyro]

I never care that much about DPS
I just want more engaging ways to interact with the game

[feral gyro]

all abilities can improve your close-quarter combat capabilities but none of them effectively deals with crowds

this is the biggest flaw of the archetype given that you are meant to approach enemies a lot to effectively dispatch them which means taking risks

[plush kettle]

shrapnel bomb is in bolt tree no? thats cc and u can also get bouncing bomb and arrow rain but no one cares abt arrow rain

[celest arrow]

sharpnel is cc LOL

[feral gyro]

bouncing bomb is incredibly effective and can practically double your bomb dps
but that's the most you can get

[feral gyro]

oh the misery

[plush kettle]

i mean imo those things are good enough, bolt also gets frenzy and stormy feet and angels help build frenzy and higher ws means ur able to deal with crowds a lot easier

[plush kettle]

shrapnel is pretty good honestly, it has like infinite pierce or smth

[feral gyro]

I think those only help avoid death not directly helpful for dispatching enemies

[somber fossil]

isn't it like in the archetype description that bolt focuses on single target dps

[feral gyro]

shrapnels do seem to travel far
that's pretty cool

[somber fossil]

asking for cc on it is just going against the archetype's original intent

[plush kettle]

more ws means u get to get up closer to whatever crowd ur dealing with without dying so u can arrow storm it and kill probably at least 1 mob which thins up the crowd which is dispatching it

[feral gyro]

I think that makes the gameplay more shallow

[somber fossil]

I disagree

[celest arrow]

If you want no risk and infinite aoe you'd love assassin

Or warrior

[feral gyro]

why?

[feral gyro]

maybe that's true
but I'm sure at least arcanist is a more engaging and rewarding archetype to play than most of archer

I'm sure arcanist only becomes less engaging when you get involved with (manual) spell spamming

[empty owl]

What is guy chatting

[timid blaze]

why on earth would anyone with a functional brain imagine grapple deserves compatibility with escape artist

grapple is dependent on terrain.... but thats the point............

default escape is perfectly fine in fact i prefer it over grapple even if grapple is technically better(?)

grapple is better than shaman without dead weight

spegg is going thru exactly what i went through!!!
I did over 10 lootruns with gma archer and optimized it for my discord (W) just to prove this guy wrong and he still complains

[feral gyro]

why not?

[timid blaze]

this is why i had to change the " Helicopter" to "Flying " bc ppl kept asking what helicopter means

[timid blaze]

grapple pulls you forward and escape (LITERALLY CALLED ESCAPE) is backwards

[feral gyro]

I think that's a pretty trivial reason to make them incompatible with each other

[timid blaze]

think of escape artist as those jets that fire decoys to deter machine guns

[timid blaze]

i highly disagree

[feral gyro]

???

[feral gyro]

what is your build again?

[timid blaze]

[feral gyro]

trapper?

[timid blaze]

yes

but i dont think archer is worth using over Ma Wa As or even Sh

[feral gyro]

I am pretty sure my words were too exaggerated and the other guy mistook it for skill issues

[timid blaze]

i mean didnt i tell you during my lootruns the same thing?

[feral gyro]

don't you think it's weird that both crep ray and grapple rely on your relation to the terrain but both can be used at the same time

using grappling hook can block you out of crep ray usage if you don't have heights to climb to with grappling hook or simply cannot jump high

[timid blaze]

crep ray sucks for another reason there's no need to bring it up for lootruns

[feral gyro]

not just another reason but many reasons I believe

[timid blaze]

yes but i meant the one you highlighted isnt a huge one at all, the biggest one being 99% of the time its worse to use crepuscular ray than to stick with max focus phantom

[feral gyro]

I think crep ray becomes viable the moment it isn't just a single target burst damage option
I'd love crep ray to be a giant beam instead

[timid blaze]

i wouldnt call crep ray burst damage and its only slightly wider AoE than phantom ray i feel? in terms of damage per like block or smth

I AGREE THO FINALLY SOMETHING WE AGREE ON
tho in actuality i think crep ray is perfectly fine and just needs a dmg boost and maybe better maneuverability 🤷

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-legends-arceus-snorlax-oshawatt-hyper-beam-gif-24685112

[feral gyro]

it's not even aoe 😭

[feral gyro]

maybe I'm wrong about that and I never notice because of how pathetic the hit reg is 😭

[feral gyro]

the amount of damage it can pump out in one single spell is technically impressive 👌

[timid blaze]

i thought you were saying it was, my bad. It has more range for hits than phantom ray is what i meant but i'd still suggest to just group up mobs and stick w/ pray

[timid blaze]

one single spell that takes eons

[feral gyro]

don't you think it's weird that geyser stomp is behind arrow hurricane tho

[zealous kelp]

Reminds me of something else...

[feral gyro]

the fucking audio

[timid blaze]

what geyser stomp should be

mobs get shot into the air and get slow falling for like 1-2 seconds so u can rain arrows up from below

[feral gyro]

spammable wind prison imagine

[zealous kelp]

What like this

Sorry I should stop posting ror2 clips

[timid blaze]

i cant find the gif

[feral gyro]

you want the beam thing?

[timid blaze]

what?

[timid blaze]

no its in endgame when he's summoning these like rifts from the ground that like make the guys float

[feral gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/terraria-video-game-dinosaur-gif-9224331
holy shit crep ray in terraria

[timid blaze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7gfZpF9zus

[feral gyro]

fantastic

[feral gyro]

at least is has AoE

[timid blaze]

Dev time zzzzzzzzzzzz

[feral gyro]

quit archer 👍

[zealous kelp]

I didn't even read all of it, I just saw "wtf this guy is talking about geyser stomp, how about I show the cooler version"

[timid blaze]

tbh unless geyser stomp got a complete rework i dont think people would ever want to use escape slam in their cycle anyway

the way i think of it is just whirlwind in an upprcut cycle without suring (aerodynamics)
you just go up and down and its not engaging or fun

i think players who want that verticality in archer gameplay would stick to flying bolt

[feral gyro]

I've so far suggested that
-geyser stomp should be more accessible in the ability tree
-geyser stomp should probably scale with falling distance (flying is more useful now)
-geyser stomp should act like wind prison

[somber fossil]

first one doesn’t help, second one would take dev time and is also just straight up not useful in most arenas, and third one doesn’t make sense

[feral gyro]

???

I don't know what you've been eating if you think it doesn't help anyone at all to have easier access to geyser stomp

[somber fossil]

geyser stomp being more accessible doesn’t solve any of its mechanical difficulties

nobody uses geyser stomp bc it doesn’t rly do anything and is inconvenient to use in fast paced combat, not bc it’s far down in the tree lol

[feral gyro]

it would help people are who earlier into the game

and it would actually allow more build variety by allowing it to also be used alongside focus
enhancing the stomp gameplay experience

[feral gyro]

as if I don't know how bad it is mechanically
it's literally an ability that deals pitiful amount of damage with the premise that you are throwing yourself into crowds and risking death

is it hard to understand that there are multiple issues making it bad?

it's also impressive that you dismiss the idea of allowing geyser stomp to inflict an effect similar to wind prison despite claiming that there are mechanical difficulties in using the ability
it wouldn't hurt to give it a bit more crowd control element would it
simply upscaling the damage numbers wouldn't help
I wonder if you take pleasure in contributing very little to conversations

[signal flint]

urm this is clearly phantom ray

crep ray is obviously last prism

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-smh-gif-21117473

[feral gyro]

if crep ray were to deal AoE damage it would be true but it's a wonder how the visuals would be handled

maybe crep ray would constantly cast a lot of rays and we should pretent it's a giant beam

instead of having crep ray cast many separate beams

or just make those rays cause a shockwave let them hit all targets within a small sphere of space

landing more hits by hovering closer would effectively increase AoE damage

[feral gyro]

I thought only homing arrows and crep ray have that bright green color
maybe I'm wrong

[tribal sluice]

remove recoil

🫱

🎤

[tribal sluice]

tbf it’s kind of necessary for gangels to exist since otherwise you’d have a spell that knocks enemies back on the archetype designed to be in mobs’ faces to deal maximum damage

if it has a bigass hitbox like tna so you can still be out of arrow shield range yeah you’d probably prefer that but still

but then you also have a mechanic like recoil which also pushes you back

…on that same archetype designed to be in mob faces

womp

[modern spire]

Arrow shield would be somewhat tolerable on bolt because activating normal arrow shield causes arrow storm to spawn the arrows further out...until you cast arrow shield again without breaking or otherwise losing it first
No idea why it does that if you recast it but I reported it as a bug some time ago
I don't remember if the offset feels like it gives more range or less before hitting your shield compared to avoiding enemies hitting you without it

[tribal sluice]

you get the idea

[tribal sluice]

also lol

im sure he gave it plenty of time and thought

[feral gyro]

"alr it's possible to fly so let's just forget about practical usage of recoil"

said by no one

[stable agate]

Yea and that’s def not an intended mechanic, if it was it would be a cool defensive sidegrade to gangels

[modern spire]

It's something you could very much experience on trapper so I'd assume it is intended

The part about losing the offset if you recast sounded like a bug to me

[celest arrow]

I think you could have shield and still get your storm to hit

[tribal sluice]

just depends on the mob

idk maybe they could tweak a bit to make it consistently possible but it’s not something I mind about the boltslinger tree personally

[supple timber]

no bad

[tribal sluice]

cry about it or something idk

you’re like the only person here who likes it

[feral gyro]

Has anyone tried to perform storm flight after the CPS limit change?

It'd be really funny if it actually becomes unviable

[modern spire]

the cps needed for cycling storm and another spell within the duration of storm is 7.5 so it should still be possible

(6 inputs / 0.8 seconds)

[stable agate]

Funnily enough a lot of Archer builds are around 6.5-7.5 cps so we shouldn’t see that much of a difference in Archer dps lmao

Archer buffed while everyone else shot in the knees

[modern spire]

Well there were really no buffs, just more of a universal nerf that hit everything except archer (and shaman lol)

But I do recall experiencing an abnormal amount of misinputs with flying bolt for the brief period I was online yesterday so I think this had an effect

What was supposed to be LRL LLR LRL was frequently coming out as LRL LLR LL

[feral gyro]

😨

[red crow]

(by an archer)

[stable agate]

I personally did it

[feral gyro]

it was me Barry

[red crow]

I think they should reduce it to 1 spell per second, and i can convert everyone to hmelee

[stable agate]

Nah do that and Epoch users take over

[red crow]

correct, epoch hmelee

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1155296858692911145/1185131449888804865/89fygr.gif?ex=658e7eac&is=657c09ac&hm=0bfad3355c4bbd2df2d3e8ae92178cac304991175cb2fee488d3b3f99dfa2175&

[languid scarab]

Epoch hmelee 💔

[empty owl]

what cps limit change

[feral gyro]

look at the new constructive feedback threads

[rustic ridge]

10->8

[empty owl]

yo wtf

i was wondering why the game felt so jank

[feral gyro]

he found out!

[supple timber]

f

[open skiff]

something something dev time

[feral gyro]

Does heart shatter's damage bonus apply to enemies that aren't directly hit by the arrow bomb when the arrow itself directly hits a target?

It seems to merely be a single target damage ability.

The same can be said about implosion.

[rustic ridge]

yes that is correct

[feral gyro]

it'd be crazy if it's just one single target taking more damage

[somber fossil]

it's only on the mob you actually hit

[feral gyro]

oh great I'm receiving different answers

[feral gyro]

gotta love it when you are practically predetermined to be less effective in dealing AoE damage by playing archer 💀

[tribal sluice]

its always been like this why are you acting surprised

[feral gyro]

I am not
I have always insisted that archer sucks
I advocate for bringing crowd control and AoE damage improvements to Boltslinger

[somber fossil]

I tested on gm so

[tribal sluice]

being fast with high single target damage is kind of what archer has always been, for boltslinger especially so

[feral gyro]

I wouldn't want it to stay that way

[tribal sluice]

its like complaining about paladin not dealing high damage

[somber fossil]

man you would've hated pre-2.0 archer so much

[feral gyro]

and it'd be probably be justified

[tribal sluice]

like theres a lot of stuff to criticize about 2.0 but i dont get this

[somber fossil]

to you maybe lol

[tribal sluice]

archer was like

historically and consistently the best class pre 2.0

[feral gyro]

?

[tribal sluice]

the being mad about archer and especially boltslinger not dealing high aoe damage part

[feral gyro]

I don't know why anyone would just accept it as is

[tribal sluice]

because thats what the class has always been, and it was good before and still is good now even if flawed

should every class just not have a weakness? we should complain about assassin not having range next

[somber fossil]

mfw warrior can't heal 70% of its hp in one spell >:(((((

[feral gyro]

boltslinger already has weaknesses

[tribal sluice]

yeah, aoe damage, lol

[feral gyro]

not the fact that you have to get close to targets?

[tribal sluice]

that is certainly one of them

[feral gyro]

I would not think of being less effective at crowd control as a reasonable weakness for an archetype predetermined to be effective at close quarter combat for a class that is predetermined to be able to deal (ranged) damage but is very glasssy

[tribal sluice]

womp

[feral gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-brick-panel-gif-17806248
I love walls

[tribal sluice]

cry about it or something idk

[feral gyro]

why cry about what you love

[tribal sluice]

i unno

[feral gyro]

I'd like to see you try and demonstrate

[tribal sluice]

im good

[modern spire]

got an idea for something which could allow an ability point investment to give bolt more aoe: if Grape Bomb was accessible to bolt, you would also be incentivized to pick up Tangled Traps, which has no trapper requirement besides Basaltic Trap despite being so far down the tree, resulting in more bomb explosions, more shrapnel, and a dps ability that covers a large area being available to bolt

[somber fossil]

I think you're significantly overestimating how strong tangled traps is

[tribal sluice]

lmao

[modern spire]

it sounds like I am, but Im not as focused on it as I implied

bomb explosions and shrapnel would be the bigger part

but tangled would be an extra 200% spell multiplier per second to enemies that happen to be inside it so its not nothing

[somber fossil]

shrapnel is definitely doing the heavy lifting in that idea

[modern spire]

I just think overall it would be a neat combo of abilities to help bolt with aoe

and I feel the ability point investment would be pretty fair

[feral gyro]

there is very little control over their positioning unless you don't pick grape bomb and bouncing bomb?

[modern spire]

you might not have control but it's still going to be present

[somber fossil]

ngl if grape were on bolt side I'd just get grape and then not bother with tangled traps

you'd get more mileage out of like fire creep

[modern spire]

totally reasonable decision; there doesnt have to be an objective best option

[feral gyro]

it'd be awaome if you can actually maximize the usage of tangled traps while patient hunter bonus is built

but trapper offers very little control thanks to how effective grape bomb and bouncing bomb are! 👍

[empty owl]

can someone summarise hellbreakingloose's ramblings thanks

[stable agate]

I dunno something about Trapper, sticky bomb

Too much yapping I ain't reading all that

[empty owl]

@feral gyro summarise

[feral gyro]

Astralus can avoid traps entirely, forcing trappers to deal pathetic amount of damage and archer is a subpar class to play.

To put it more simply, archer sucks and it sucks more that people don't seem to be excited about bringing improvements to it.

[somber fossil]

that's bc the improvements you suggest are boof

[stable agate]

Sticky bomb

[earnest elbow]

when did astralaus become a boss and why are you complaining about it?

or am I missing something here? ik there's the comet challenge, is that what you mean, and you're just referring to it weirdly

[feral gyro]

you never contribute anything more substantial to conversations
it's almost like you're here to pick a fight
The Astralus is really just a silly oversight in design
but trappers really can't do a lot about flying enemies in general and it gets worse with Astralus in particular

[feral gyro]

Yes, it is. You should try to lay some traps and see if they ever interact with the boss in that challenge.

[earnest elbow]

okay, it's just, you keep saying Astralaus like he's the boss and it's throwing me off

there's no other area in the game where there's a comet, call it the comet, please

[feral gyro]

I thought everyone knows it as Astralus

[kind sonnet]

the comet challenge is complete aids

[earnest elbow]

with wynn players' insane insistence on abbreviating and shortening everything to the point of madness, I would find it really strange if they didn't refer to it as just the Comet, as Comet is a significantly shorter word than Astralaus, and there's no other comets anywhere in the game

[feral gyro]

they seem to be one in the same to me
let's just not argue about such a trivial matter

whatever the comet is here

[feral gyro]

It's a wonder whatever these words means. Some of the things I suggest are even similar to what others have suggested. I am not the only one who suggested the idea of having geyser stomp's damage scale with falling distance but you never elaborate on why you do not like my suggestions.

wtf is a "boof"

[stable agate]

Brother stop yapping you've clogged so many suggestions with your stuff

Some of it is good (mostly because other people suggested it before) most of it is just long paragraphs of complaining

[feral gyro]

You'd be right about all this
But, I've never seen a bigger pain in the ass than that one there.

[empty owl]

tbh i think youve gone too far with your yappage

this is unrelated to the original thread

[feral gyro]

you told me to do it

[empty owl]

also arcanist cant do shit against flying guys as well

[feral gyro]

you contribute to it

[empty owl]

make a new thread with your trapper based concerns, thank you

[feral gyro]

bro asked for it and wants a refund

[empty owl]

i wanted a summary of what you said previously

because i didnt know before. Now i know its unrelated so.. make a new thread about trapper bye

[feral gyro]

it's very annoying to make it any simpler because it isn't just one matter but it all contributes to pathetic crowd control, bad aoe and lack of control over your inputs (when it comes to movement or damage)

that's the simplest summary of what I think is wrong with archer as a whole

[feral gyro]

I don't intend to if this is what you want to hear
I don't like the idea of being able to find more "flaws" in the system

[earnest elbow]

okay, I just did a lootrun on GM with some horrendous lag to try and see what the fuss was about

[feral gyro]

what kind of lag were you even getting?

[earnest elbow]

even went after purple beacons in specific to amp up curses, and...

...honestly I don't even see what the fuss was about

[feral gyro]

??

[earnest elbow]

it wasn't bad at all. it was annoying that all the enemies had arrow storm and flew above you, but even with a trapper AT I had no trouble dispatching them, including the boss

[feral gyro]

Are you talking about the "Comet challenge"

lootruns are luck based to begin with and traps not interacting with the boss is just disgusting
did you even notice that

[feral gyro]

sure bro I don't know how many challenges you are into the thing but I know a guy who noticed a problem with playing trapper and doin the comet challenge

[stable agate]

"I know a guy"

[earnest elbow]

I won't say the challenge can't be made better, since most of the mobs are just. flying arrow storm dudes

[feral gyro]

it's not that easy finding that one message from blue

[earnest elbow]

but I wasn't having any issue taking down any of the enemies, boss included

and I specifically hunted down purple beacons to amp up curses

[feral gyro]

it's not like I have a screenshot of it permenanately saved

[earnest elbow]

I had zero boons

and I hadn't taken inner peace either, so curses were full-effective

[plush kettle]

Does no issue mean “about as easy as other classes” or “I didn’t die”

[feral gyro]

god knows man if he thinks the design passes the design passes

[earnest elbow]

I don't do lootruns often so I don't really have a scale but I had a harder time with warrior on some SE challenges in testing than I did with trapper on the comet

[earnest elbow]

Please read. Your life will be better off for it

[plush kettle]

Mm se mobs are stronger by a good bit I think

[earnest elbow]

and RNG made it so that the challenge didn't come up except towards the end of the run as well, so stats had scaled notably

[feral gyro]

took me a little while to find it

[earnest elbow]

as I said, and as you could have read, it was annoying that the majority mobs, aside from the Weirds I made, boiled down to "floating arrow storm dude"

but I didn't have difficulty killing em

didn't go below like 70% health the whole time either

[feral gyro]

the issue isn't necessarily about survivability of the player
it's more about how it can get ridiculously time-consuming in some cases because of the fact that traps are not interacting with the boss at all

I don't know how you would think it's fine that the main gimmick of the archetype is not actively useable in a situation that can be repeated

[earnest elbow]

well, idk then. dunno what builds yall're using but they're probably a hell of a lot better han mine given I'm using Nether's Reach as my chestplate

but I had no trouble as trapper dealing with that challenge

[feral gyro]

I am not sure but I can have runs where I can't even get rainbow beacon after 25+ challenges are done

I had 0 issues with Astralus when I played sharpshooter
I think that is enough to highlight how traps not detonating at all because the enemy can just float above it and be immune to crowd control ability would bring down the player experience

why give the CCI to begin with? they never needed CCI

[plush kettle]

I think hellbreakingloose has a point here, as easy as the challenge might be for u, idt it should be pretty much an exact counter to ur whole archetype

[earnest elbow]

plus aren't there other challenges in SI that have primarily floating mobs, like the one with all the birds

[earnest elbow]

one word: knockback.

[feral gyro]

and it's ridiculous how it can be argued that just because there's an instance where he managed to finish a challenge can be a good argument against my point when the testing ground is heavily invovled with RNG

[earnest elbow]

everything that does KB has upwards KB, and if the mobs are flying(that is to say, have 0 gravity) any upwards knockback will make them fly upwards infinitely and go out of reach.

so they must have knockback immunity to work

[feral gyro]

maybe give the illusion that they fly but have them not actually fly

and make an invisible platform for both the players and enemies to stand on

[earnest elbow]

an instance where I easily finished a challenge when I specifically hunted down ways to make the challenge harder and avoided self-buffs

[plush kettle]

That sounds like a terrible idea

[feral gyro]

there are different types of curses

[earnest elbow]

yes, I know

[feral gyro]

that means it could have probably been harder

[earnest elbow]

I got primarily mob resistance and attack speed curses

I think one movement speed one

[feral gyro]

and it also depends on the number of challenges you have
it also helps that you have a probably tankier build so it matters less that you cannot dispatch of enemies quicker

[earnest elbow]

now you're contradicting yourself. I had no difficulty killing the enemies.

[plush kettle]

I think this challenge is one of those that become more and more notable as the lootrun goes on, especially with equilibrium

[earnest elbow]

as trapper, with most of my kit on the ground where they didn't take damage from it.

[feral gyro]

it still doesn't take away the fact that you have not mentioned the number of challenges you had and there is still room for more difficulty handed over to the player by the game

[plush kettle]

It feels like at some point the mobs overlap their arrowstorms so the platform is just constant being pelted and u pretty much can’t move at all

[feral gyro]

I am sure it is infinitely worse if you don't have the fortune to get equilibirum and must grind for a lot of blues to not be ill-prepared

it is worth noting that it's infinitely easier to buff the enemies than to buff yourself

[earnest elbow]

hmmm yes, boons, those things I specifically avoided

[feral gyro]

and it gets worse over the course of the challenge

[plush kettle]

Yes i saw that, my point is that imo, a test for this challenge early in the run doesn’t really give u a good idea of why the player base hates it

[feral gyro]

are you deliberating not going to mention the number of challenges you have done in the run?

it's the same thing that blue did but blue ended up realizing the issue anyways after a number of lootruns

[feral gyro]

maybe it's just a lost cause to argue about this

[empty owl]

new thread man

idk about you but ive got no problem with archer's aoe

[feral gyro]

we already have the sticky trap thread
if the challenge itself doesn't get change
sticky traps should exist
or we forget about the idea of ever doing sky islands lootrun as trapper altogether

[plush kettle]

“End of the run” isn’t the most clear statement, does that mean end of the starting 12 challenges or end of 100 challenges or just near however many challenges u have (mb if it was mentioned somewhere and I didn’t see)

[empty owl]

bro... you dont have to play sky island as trapper

[feral gyro]

and then there are other challenges that invite the use of tons of explosives

notably the platforms in the sky that you teleport to
the one challenge where small babies run and jump

hybrid sharpshooter was a pain to play

going trapper immediately alleviated all issues

[empty owl]

idk about you but this thread is about boltslinger

[plush kettle]

Omg sticky bomb from btd6?

[feral gyro]

dude archer just sucks

[empty owl]

we know

[feral gyro]

all archer posts are pretty much repeating the same things
I don't think there's more to say

unless someone's out there to be inventive and creative, suggesting things with new mechanics and visuals

[empty owl]

this is like the first boltslinger thread

[stable agate]

Doesn't change the fact this is a Boltslinger thread

[feral gyro]

I think we should take a break

[stable agate]

Lmao what

[empty owl]

i think mr hellbreakingloose should make a trapper thread

[feral gyro]

my feeling when sticky bomb thread

[empty owl]

go there

[feral gyro]

you sound like you want me to YAP a lot MORE

[empty owl]

ok yap more in the sticky bomb thread

[feral gyro]

also wtf is this

no this is not a boltslinger thread

archer is archer

[plush kettle]

Man if u want to talk about trapper just make a thread or something it’s pretty clear that these ppl want u out of here lol

[feral gyro]

It was the people that invited me to talk about trapper
I didn't even want to talk about it
I have been talking about boltslinger moer than anything

@empty owl iTWAS YOU

[stable agate]

"I didn't even want to talk about it" then why are you talking about it

[empty owl]

what

[plush kettle]

Well, seems like they want u to stop now

[stable agate]

He asked for a quick summary, not a yap fest

[empty owl]

i dont even care about trapper lol

[feral gyro]

"archer sucks"

quick summaries aren't real

[plush kettle]

This has got to be one of the most pointless arguments in constructive feedback

[feral gyro]

There are different layers of hell. This is one of them.

[stable agate]

You're the cause of it

[feral gyro]

thematic

[stable agate]

This thread truly has been the #1019649786799996980

[empty owl]

oh i got an actual suggestion for bolt

guardian angels now use their shots to intercept enemy projectiles

so that they actually guard you

[zealous kelp]

Defensive AND Offensive microbots

I think

[agile umbra]

dev time

[empty owl]

ROR2 reference

[agile umbra]

tbh that would take a lot of time to code in and may cause lag

[empty owl]

would be cool if they actually guarded you instead of being an extremely mediocre dmg source + frenzy stacker

[agile umbra]

simply add more damage

which is the core of bolt

[zealous kelp]

A bit more thinking about this and
Honestly that's a pretty cool idea to add to Panoptes

Makes the all seeing part even more relevant since they can now see all the projectiles.

I mean I dunno if something like that could be added but man Panoptes is BORING
How it used to be a red node is baffling, let alone the fact that its still not a white node.

I mean these are just effects from white nodes except for the fact that the damage buff compared to Better arrow shield is better

Oh nevermind, the range increase is also better compared to Better Guardian Angels.

Still though this is so lame for a purple node.

[rustic ridge]

yea arrowshield is just better in every way

[feral gyro]

most boltslinger nodes are boring
multiple nodes are just upgrading arrow storm the same way by spawning more arrows
it appears most other archetypes have more depths than boltslinger

[stable agate]

Normal arrow shield even boosts range of your attacks on Bolt

It actively helps Bolt more than GA does

[hollow steppe]

does he know

[feral gyro]

I was impressed when I first found out that war scream could turn into a ranged attack or that shaman has ranged melee with piercing

[hollow steppe]

the best ranged classes in the game are now warrior and assassin 🥱

cause why no

[feral gyro]

acrobat has as much range as boltslinger isn't that right?

oh wtf

smoke bomb jasmine bloom

yea pretty big range holy shit

[hollow steppe]

trickpockets smokes have a fucking massive range

[feral gyro]

wait a minute
isn't shaman actually easier to use for dealing ranged damage
the melee attack isn't a projectile is it?

[hollow steppe]

it’s complete asscheeks

[feral gyro]

idk man I've seen builds that actually make melee work out

[rustic ridge]

only way to do proper melee damage on shaman is with hand of the shaman

wich means you need to basically stand inside your enemies to do any damage

[feral gyro]

I remember seeing Looni's build that involves Lower(?) usage and awakened?

[drowsy ivy]

Have you tried hmelee twain arc sharp?

[feral gyro]

twain's arc is just not that comfortable to use in lootrun
I think it's just lootrun's design being rather hostile to archers

[empty owl]

No bullshit the range to achieve max dmg is higher on bash scream than it is on boltslinger

[timid blaze]

bro cropped out the next line where i said its not a problem cb u can just arrow storm and arrow bomb

yeah sure it sucks the traps cant hit them in that challenge but it didnt cause a big issue

[tribal sluice]

you get the point

[hollow steppe]

im just being facetious for shits n giggles

[red crow]

but have you tried?

[supple timber]

op

[feral gyro]

yes and it made me realize that my hyrbid build doesn't even need twain's arc because of the way loot runs are
I ended up only throwing in random normal attacks betweem spells to sustain damage output and charge up quake attacks

[stable agate]

That's not a hybrid build that's just normal spellspam gameplay

[feral gyro]

over 130k damag from quake eith full focus doesn't sound like spell to me

melee archer just isn't that viable anyways
if you want your attacks to have aoe
you gotta use scarlet veil
twain's arc usage is very limited

[drowsy ivy]

"melee archer isnt that viable anyway": epoch tstack is the most used archer build in tna

[feral gyro]

tna isn't loot run

isn't that the most op example there is?
what about hmelee in lootruns?

[stable agate]

TNA is still one of the most played activities in the game

"Just isn't that viable anyways" is a false statement

I've seen more Epoch TNA archers than actual spell archers in TNA

[feral gyro]

:(

we've literally been talking about lootruns not tna

[somber fossil]

you're the only one that's been fixating on lootruns

[worn trellis]

He has been the major contributer of the argument, I think the conversation is about lootruns

[stable agate]

Most of his "contributions" is yapping into the void

[red crow]

i will record a hmelee lootrun just for you

[feral gyro]

ok

[feral gyro]

What contents would have mattered more for measuring gameplay (especially for a max level player)?
Many have argued that TNA is not that good in design for how it favors ETW gameplay a lot but not playing ETW makes everything feel slower or punishing even. (Having fast runs lead to far greater profits and there is very little to stop players from playing ETW and not engaging with many mechanics of the boss fight)

[feral gyro]

I think my previous issues with twain's arc usage might actually be more of a mobility problem cuz grappling hook was used (and I don't use leap unlike you but I doubt it'd be very useful)

[stable agate]

No matter how flawed it is TNA is the other endgame activity that people will gravitate towards, and is much more accessible than Lootruns because virtually every class can function well in TNA

[feral gyro]

"Accessible"?

[stable agate]

It is a useful measure even if you don’t personally agree

[stable agate]

Yes, quite accessible, every run makes you money and outside of like Morph, you can take a lot of things into TNA and do fine

Like Nighthawk Archer lmao

And it only requires completing a quest most people are naturally going to do regardless

Not completing all the caves in the area, one of them having been glitched (and possibly still glitched) to be super hard to complete

[red crow]

i figured, thats what i wanna show you but i keep getting equi so my runs dissolve into spamming spells

doing 4th take now

[red crow]

again...

[feral gyro]

rip

[timid blaze]

facetious? the unique bracelet?

[timid blaze]

phasing beam moment
i have done plenty of epoch lootruns and i found it to be the most fun archer build for that activity

[timid blaze]

he wont care! i did this for gma trapper and he remained the yapper (bars)

also @feral gyro i recommend chain lightning over quake or use x2 epoch like i did

[supple timber]

morphcism owo

[median crow]

I actually really wanna see this

If you have one I'll watch I wanna see how it plays

If u go chain or quake

(I do not want to repower my epoch)

[stable agate]

Just get a new Epoch DUH

I do wanna see as well though

[median crow]

The people have spoken

We need a showcase

[stable agate]

Mods, nuke this thread

[faint bronze]

top of thread for reference

swapping sharp and trapper is wild

[stable agate]

It acthually used to be thath way when 2.0 launthed 🤓👆

[red crow]

Ill try to get one today, hopefully no more equi incidents

[faint bronze]

i was literally there

[red crow]

Like im trying to get an 'average' run, but it was 1 run that i would reset, 1 run with 2nd beacon rainbow into equi, and 2 more equi

[median crow]

I had an equi one that ended early cause rainbow came at 40 💀

[feral gyro]

yea
I have recently noticed that plague has thunder damage id for a reason

[feral gyro]

my average luck

[feral gyro]

I'm beginning to realize that phasing beam is the only attack that is ranged and reliable to use as sharpshooter
arrow bomb having very slow traveling speed and phantom ray having pathetic range is goofy

the worst part about playing archer is that shaman has more range

[worn trellis]

there was a whole weird thread at some point in the past where Selvut was justifying phantom ray's unique range
Something about having tools to use at different specific ranges which. gotta be honest. I'm not buying it.
There was more to it, but I don't remember what that was

[tribal sluice]

i wouldn’t really trust a lot of what selvut says

[stable agate]

Me when Sharpshooter an archetype that's supposed to fight at range in any game it's in, has less range than Boltslinger's arrow storm

Genius game design!

[worn trellis]

at some point I'm going to have to go on my own trapper tangent about why I Absolutely Do Not Enjoy The Existence Of Trapper In The (Almost) Slightest

[signal flint]

true 😭 why is phantom ray so short

[stable agate]

And why does War Scream have more range than all of Archer's abilities except like Arrow Bomb

[signal flint]

LOL

also arrow bomb shouldnt cancel itself

[stable agate]

Warrior just does everything Archer wants to do but better

[signal flint]

like meteor, once you shoot a projectile you should just be able to shoot another one without the first one disappearing for no reason

[feral gyro]

but it can be argued that it's way more efficient to use all the attacks together at close range
there isn't a point in game where it is actually more efficient to spam bombs at range and not expect enemies to dodge the bombs

[worn trellis]

it was in a thread regarding the nature of flying kick that I ended up commenting that battle monk

is advertised as close range
and
has all of the significant range upgrades for warrior

[feral gyro]

the worst part about all this is that being able to deal ranged damage means very little in endgame

[tribal sluice]

boltslinger effective range and cone for hitting all arrow storm arrows could be buffed

[feral gyro]

shaman also has superior ranged attacks by default

[tribal sluice]

but considering salted is keen on keeping recoil he’d never do it

[stable agate]

Boltslinger has more range than Phantom Ray could ever hope to have if you use Nighthawk, which is just depressing

[tribal sluice]

ok well nighthawk sucks ass

[worn trellis]

(for different reasons)

[feral gyro]

I get it. It'd really be better if recoil is something that can be consistently capitalized on.

[stable agate]

Recoil just makes the whole of Boltslinger feel bad

[tribal sluice]

we have something for that, it’s called escape

[feral gyro]

They may be cooking in the shadows but no one knows because the CT cannot leak future update information or give the slightest hint that they are working towards a good direction.

[tribal sluice]

there is no implementation or tweaking for recoil that would make it feel good for the game sorry

[stable agate]

They def aren't cooking Archer wise, Salted seems to be too big of a fan for it to change

[feral gyro]

At the cost of damage? There's always a weird comprimise in all decisions you make as an archer.

[tribal sluice]

even when xavier does make changes they’re usually pretty bad imo

[worn trellis]

surely there's just
making it not jank

surely using recoil to walk backwards faster would be a valuable use of it

[stable agate]

It makes sense that more range would = less damage, too bad it's HALF OF ARROW STORM'S DAMAGE LIKE WHAT THE HELL

[feral gyro]

The worst problem I have ever seen out of archer might just be the fact that getting grappling hook can effectively hinder your combat maneuver.
But, there is very little control in the effects of rocket jump. (There are times when you do not need to be thrown around by your own attacks.)

[stable agate]

Walk backwards is only really useable in TNA, almost everywhere else it harms Bolt

Even in TNA if someone else has aggro it can hurt you

[feral gyro]

None of that matters when you get into situations where you fight stat check bosses in ridiculously small arenas

This game is definitely not designed to be friendly towards archer
No one even cares
I don't think I would either

[worn trellis]

are you still pent up about Sky Lootrun

[stable agate]

"Stat check bosses" tf are you talking about

[feral gyro]

may be you haven't caught up to the posts I have made in the Astralus thread

[tribal sluice]

we have something for backpedaling against tna and similar bosses already, it’s called stormy feet

[stable agate]

Honestly Nighthawk would be good for Comet because of range

[stable agate]

Brother that's a skill issue

[feral gyro]

6 boons in a roll and all of them can only give damage buffs and no EHP buffs

[stable agate]

Build issue

[feral gyro]

I'd like to see you force the game into giving invincibility as a whol

[stable agate]

And skill issue, get hit less, use pots goddamn

[feral gyro]

I don't think 40k ehp is weak

[tribal sluice]

at first I was agreeing with a lot of what you said in regards to archer criticisms but by this point it’s really starting to sound like a lot of unbacked complaining

[feral gyro]

it was a fucking oneshot pots are useless
the boss can spew ranged shotgun attacks

[signal flint]

do ppl take elusive?

[stable agate]

Some do, it mostly isn't worth it on non-agi builds though

Like it's neat on Freedom ig, but you could use those points elsewhere

[signal flint]

why would div etw not take it

or any etw boltslinger

[stable agate]

because not agi and as soon as you get hit you loose elusive?

[signal flint]

but u get hit u die in greg

[feral gyro]

it's amazing how people always assume the worst
do you always get the idea that it's the player at fault and never the game itself?

[tribal sluice]

most people do take elusive on bolt builds but of course it isn’t perfect and shouldn’t be the end all be all of recoil discussions

[stable agate]

If it's greg then that's the one situation that recoil actually helps

[signal flint]

ah

[stable agate]

Based on how much you complain about comet I'm more inclined to believe you just suck

[feral gyro]

I think the only way to convince you would be to live stream an attempt at completing SE lootrun with morph gale's force

I was only hindered by not getting the full effects of vaqua vwhite, having to take greens and reds a lot and not getting ehp buffs

[stable agate]

How would Morph Gale's Force convince me of anything lol

[worn trellis]

humor me in this moment
could I watch such a stream?

[feral gyro]

if my pc can handle it

I'll try

you'll probably be watching a 480p stream btw

[stable agate]

Do you play on a potato

[feral gyro]

yes but I can get consistent 60 frames per second with this setup

[worn trellis]

muscle emoji

[modern spire]

something I recall from that thread that I remember sticking with me was along the lines of "sharpshooter is more about precision than range" which contradicts the description of the archetype itself, but feels like a necessity for the damage spell sharp is allowed to do
Personally I think it would be cool if there was an ability or two to support a more heavy spell playstyle for sharp to let it be either effectively (precision and very high damage or precision and range)

[feral gyro]

twain's arc is the best ability that reinforces a heavy attack playstyle alongside crep ray

I actually think they are the best abilities in the entire kit other than the focus gimmick

the other sharpshooter nodes are very shallow and are effectively just damage buffs

[modern spire]

they're the only abilities that actually lean into the advertized range and power shots so they're the most fitting

spell sharp is weird for the archetype

[feral gyro]

I really love how my recent SE lootrun attempt with how I actively took advantage of crepescular ray

crep ray offers great tactical advantage
but there are designs in the game that are very hostile to usage of such ability (thanks to anti camp and enemies being able to drag the player around so much)

I am getting the stream setup in the Room 3 VC

[red crow]

@feral gyro @median crow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1ZFQQl7O3g

give it an hour for better quality

[feral gyro]

I misclicked

wrong reply oops
@red crow

oops

I met the shotgun boss

escape spell didn't work and I got dragged around and into the air at some point while using crep ray

crazy how this much ehp doesn't save me from shotgun attacks

[stable agate]

Don’t use Crep ray, legit puts you in more danger even if it’s okay aoe

[feral gyro]

nah it's actually viable

especially when you need distance from shotgun bosses and you have the choice to just target one mob only

it's only going to get bad when anticamp enemies spawn
those either kill you or just hinder crep ray usage

[somber fossil]

actively uses something that is not good against ranged bosses
dies
wtf why did this happen

[feral gyro]

@red crow I think the reality might be that this game lacks quality assurance

[feral gyro]

what I'm hearing is that "play shaman to use mask of the lunatic, be tanky, get free healing, insane crowd control, insane aoe dps"

[red crow]

madeline said she extensively tested lrs i believe

[tribal sluice]

i think ur the first person ever to say that shaman is op and archer sucks

[tribal sluice]

that doesnt really account to much lol

[feral gyro]

maybe you are out of the loop
there's a very good example of how op shaman can get

[tribal sluice]

i never disagreed i just said youre the first person ever to say that

[feral gyro]

still sounds like you are out of the loop

[tribal sluice]

judging on how youve been acting in this thread, you and me both then

[stable agate]

Aren’t Archer and Shaman generally considered to be on the same level?

[feral gyro]

btw morph is viable for even SE lootrun
the only limiting factor is the class you play fr (which is actually an issue of both archer and lootruns' design imo)

[stable agate]

Both too balanced for their own good or something

[feral gyro]

https://youtu.be/w9TdtNR2agk?si=9tYUNNJg7ABHtYYL

[feral gyro]

I imagine this guy can actually watch a movie on a second monitor while everything is happening in the game

[stable agate]

That is Molten Heights

[feral gyro]

and it wouldn't be any different if he did SE instead

[stable agate]

Takes longer to scale up

[feral gyro]

might be true but the sheer efficiency in crowd control and the ease of use easily trumps everything

[stable agate]

Not really lol, just use uh, Assassin or Warrior instead

Or Mage, which also has good aoe

[feral gyro]

doesn't assassin have its own issues?

clones aren't that reliable
and flying around isn't exactly the brightest idea

[stable agate]

I have seen literally nobody complain about Trickrobat power issues

[feral gyro]

yes it does have incredible dps potential and aoe size

[stable agate]

Flying around and not taking as much damage as other classes while dealing good aoe damage is a real good selling point imo

[feral gyro]

maybe it isnt' exactly trickrobat but

[stable agate]

Trickrobat, different thing

[feral gyro]

I don't know if trickrobat deserves to be as strong as it is

and it's best that you take that into consideration

[plush kettle]

shadestepper deserves to be stronger

[feral gyro]

anticamp exists

[stable agate]

Lmao okay????

[somber fossil]

2 hours for 100 challenges isn't any faster than archer can do lol

[tribal sluice]

every class that i play deserves to be stronger and every class that i dont play deserves to be weaker imo

do u guys agree

[feral gyro]

??

it seems like you randomly say things

[stable agate]

Probably refering to shaman and their garbage mobility, negating their “op” AOE

[worn trellis]

most of my current lootruns are acrobat
gotta say
it cooks! big fan!

[feral gyro]

I think archer's mobility is worse
grapple usage can be ruined by swarms
escape is disorienting to use

[plush kettle]

i think u have a lot of bad takes

[feral gyro]

can you even explain why

[stable agate]

Your Escape problems are a skill issue lmao

[feral gyro]

this is the billionth time you have resorted to bringing up "skill issues" despite not knowing how I actually play

[plush kettle]

clones are reliable enough that ppl use it a lot and flying around is pretty cool

[feral gyro]

the others have actually seen me play as I stream it

[stable agate]

You saying Escape sucks is reason enough to assume you just suck at using it.

[feral gyro]

is it hard to believe that escape can be cumbersome to use for traversing?

[plush kettle]

if ur the only one with that big of a problem with it then it is a skill issue

[feral gyro]

you can literally fly into trees

[tribal sluice]

dont aim into trees

[stable agate]

No? I’ve played Archer for 700+ hours never had an issue with Escape spell

[worn trellis]

you can fly many places! very strong selling point of escape!

[feral gyro]

I think I'd like to see you demonstrate how you travel around with escape

[stable agate]

Escape used to be one of the best mobility spells for a reason

[feral gyro]

"used to be"

[stable agate]

Because Assassin and Warrior’s mobility is actually useful now

[feral gyro]

how does that even relate to archer

[stable agate]

It’s not one of the best because other mobilities powercrept it out of being there

[feral gyro]

so are you saying they should be nerfed?

[stable agate]

It still is good, if you don’t suck at using it

[stable agate]

No?

[feral gyro]

I don't know why you keep yapping about skills
I can chain 3 escape in a row without touching the ground ever since the first escape spell cast but that's all because of lag
Escape itself is cumbersome to use

[stable agate]

Sounds like a personal problem man, never had an issue in my 700+ hours of Archer playtime

[supple timber]

nuuu escape is great

[feral gyro]

so shouldn't archer be better?

[supple timber]

i dont want another dash/charge

[feral gyro]

maybe it's just that you aren't very aware

[stable agate]

No? It doesn’t need a mobility spell that’s just TP, Charge, or Dash

[supple timber]

just make grapple better

[stable agate]

Even when I first started playing Archer I didn’t have issue outside of the occasional Sky Island void fall because I misjudged Escape range

[supple timber]

but keep escape the way it is for the most part

[feral gyro]

never did I once suggest the idea of turning escape into something akin to those spells that provide forward movement
I'd rather have escape split into multiple back dashes that can also be used while airborne and not overshoot the player

[plush kettle]

what does that even mean

[stable agate]

How tf would Multiple back dashes work from a single spell cast without being more disorienting than you say escape spell already is

[feral gyro]

you know how there's an ability that can allow you to tp twice in one spell

[plush kettle]

yeah, it sucks

[feral gyro]

imagine that for escape but with greater degere of control

[plush kettle]

doesnt that just make escape worse

[somber fossil]

bro wants slow backwards thrink for archer

[stable agate]

That would just make escape worse and have you lose control

Multiple dashes from one spell cast is disorenting, part of why that TP upgrade isn’t used

[feral gyro]

you'd have to ability to change your trajectory midair with such an ability that allows more escape casts while airborne

and it's not from one single spell cast

[feral gyro]

I am suggesting the idea of being able to cast escape multiple times

[stable agate]

“Multiple backwards dashes”

[plush kettle]

so ur asking to be able to escape multiple times mid air

[stable agate]

That poses a different issue but honestly every class can fly so who cares

[feral gyro]

to balance out the travelling power
the momentum gets reduced by a portion

[stable agate]

So you complain that escape is disorienting, then your main change is just escape in the air?

[feral gyro]

it's not like storm flight is actually that viable and not cause issues with muscles

[plush kettle]

eh, if multiple escapes midair were to be added ide rather it just be u can escape twice midair with no momentum loss

[feral gyro]

it being disorienting might be a personal issue but others may also experience it
that's fair but the combat maneuver of escape is still rather limited

[stable agate]

Yea, Escape’s momentum feels great, lowering it makes the escape spell overall worse even if you can use it midair

[plush kettle]

yep

[feral gyro]

I am suggesting an option not something to replace escape entirely

[stable agate]

You suck at articulating

[feral gyro]

you know what just make leap better

the momentum is pathetic

[plush kettle]

that i can agree with, why is assassins hop just better when theyre literally the same ability

[feral gyro]

I am pretty sure you aren't so much of a hot shot at articulating

[red crow]

i would love an escape guide, i dont understand how to make use of escape at all

@stable agate your turn to make a vid

[feral gyro]

What I love most about escape is when I get dragged right back into the ground by a random teleport after using escape!

[stable agate]

That has literally never happened to me what

[feral gyro]

might be lag

high ping problem
oh right you have the fortune to not experience that?
wow

[somber fossil]

they're not the same ability tho

[stable agate]

Remind me tomorrow, I’m not relogging today

[feral gyro]

yea I could care less if you actually never experience problems about something if all it takes is one factor to change everything

[plush kettle]

theyre pretty close

[stable agate]

Random TPs from lag happen with everything in the game

[plush kettle]

both are pretty much just a double jump without any upgrades but hop makes u go further and higher

[stable agate]

It is not escape exclusive

[feral gyro]

sounds like the game has quality assurance problems

[stable agate]

Lmao what

[tribal sluice]

exploding head

[plush kettle]

what does this have anything to do with wynncraft as a whole at all

[feral gyro]

why else is it possible that meteors can not hit Astralus at all?

[stable agate]

Getting tp’d back because you lagged doesn’t = qa sucks, there are other places that actually prove that instead of your own garbage ping

[supple timber]

escape being escape is fine as is ... whats bad is grapple owo

[feral gyro]

are you still not convinced?

[plush kettle]

??? im so confused

[supple timber]

whats bad is rocket jump

[feral gyro]

maybe you need skills in comprehension

[plush kettle]

wtf no i love rocket jump

[stable agate]

Lag causing issues is not a QA thing it’s just the game lagging, happens in other online games as well

[supple timber]

well rocket isnt bad its just your forced to take bouncing bomb to get it

[stable agate]

No you just suck at articulating, again

[feral gyro]

What about meteors not hitting Astralus? Do you think you are addressing the statement at all? You have lots of skill issues.

[plush kettle]

how did u manage to jump from, escape sending u into tps to minecraft being bad to arcanist not being able to hit floating mobs within 3 messages

[supple timber]

thats how i feel about escape in this convo rn xD

[stable agate]

Meteors not hitting Astralus does not = lag issues, your argument sucks what even is this false equivalence

[feral gyro]

maybe your thinking process is not articulated enough

[plush kettle]

maybe u need to go to sleep

[stable agate]

No you just suck at articulating

[feral gyro]

did I say it is a lag issue? stop putting words in my mouth

Admit it if you have issue
I have made it clear that it is a QA issue

[stable agate]

.

[plush kettle]

the things ur saying are so disjointed that no one here can follow ur thought process

[feral gyro]

that's a response to the escape not working situation

[feral gyro]

it's like you have trouble with thinking
You go out of your way to associate one unrelated thing with another and then tell me I have issue

[stable agate]

You jumped from lag TP, to TPs during lag being a QA issue, to Astralus

[tribal sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-x-kong-king-kong-punch-knockout-monkey-apex-gif-8198598115822855198

[feral gyro]

and?

[stable agate]

Nah dude that’s a you issue like wtf does Astralus meteor have to do with lag

[plush kettle]

and what the fuck are u talking about

[feral gyro]

Do you want to address the actual matters? Are you going to just accuse me of having skill issues again? Never have I once said meteor not hitting Astralus has something to do with lag and I have made it clear that the game has quality assurance issues.

you don't even speak truthfully it seems

[stable agate]

Omfg this is getting nowhere

[feral gyro]

you made it that way

[stable agate]

Lmfao what are you on

[feral gyro]

are you going to play dumb?

[tribal sluice]

holy shit this is so fucking stupid

[feral gyro]

Astounding.

[plush kettle]

the guy asking to address the actual matters of wynncraft archer's escape spell, lag, the quality of minecraft as a game, and astralus' comet in wynncraft

[feral gyro]

Where did you even get the idea that I am criticizing Minecraft as a whole? I told you you guys were getting ideas out of nowhere.

you are the only guy talking about Minecraft

[stable agate]

Wow.

[plush kettle]

man i dont think anyone here knows what ur trying to say at all

[feral gyro]

how do you mess it up so much
I think you need a break
it's better if you don't come around and just spew random thinsg

[plush kettle]

if everyone has a problem with u, then i think its not that everyone here is stupid

[feral gyro]

I think you just hate for the sake of doing so

[stable agate]

Don’t bother, not worth it

[plush kettle]

99.9% of times, when ppl tell u ur an idiot, ur an idiot

[stable agate]

This thread has gone to hell anyways just move on

[plush kettle]

yep

[feral gyro]

That's the only sensible thing you have said after contributing so little to the thread.

[agile umbra]

why the fuck i thought this is guild community for a sec

[stable agate]

Look who’s talking

[plush kettle]

close enough, nothing here is getting implemented

[stable agate]

Rip Guild Wars

[worn trellis]

Remember when this thread started with making windstorm optional

[feral gyro]

you only respond with "skill issues" to every matter I speak of as if you only know skill issues in your whole life
who's talking

[plush kettle]

why r u so mad about not a whole lot

[feral gyro]

you have yet to respond to the matters I have spoken of
is it not true that wynncraft has QA problems?

[feral gyro]

is it true that I am mad or is it true that you are getting ideas out of nowhere

[stable agate]

Holy yap!

Turned a discussion about Escape into a discussion about QA

Not even about Archer anymore

[feral gyro]

yapper^

[plush kettle]

from the msgs that ur sending it seems like a reasonable assumption to make that ur pretty mad

[feral gyro]

"Assumption"

I think you are just not that good at making discussions

[plush kettle]

this is over discord man what here is not an assumption

[feral gyro]

I think these statements also incriminate you and paint a picture of who you are

[earnest elbow]

oh dios mio

[stable agate]

Can we get a mod to close this thread

[earnest elbow]

time for us to

[plush kettle]

true

[feral gyro]

Sure.

[somber fossil]

@crude bridge you should close this thread methinks

[crude bridge]

why

[stable agate]

Nuke it mods

[stable agate]

Off topic, too much arguing, pointless

[somber fossil]

lotta toxicity and it's very far off topic

[crude bridge]

im busy doing 2.1 stuff....