constructive feedback on recent item changes

[wanton stratus]

i.e. less damage and significantly provide fewer buffs

[clear nexus]

how incompetent at game design do you have to be to not realise that this is exactly how you kill any mmo

nerf ab by 10% cspam balanced

[pseudo beacon]

I mean this doesn't effect most people so I doubt it will kill it

[wanton stratus]

does he know?

[wanton stratus]

nerf ab and rag will fix tricko and cspam problem if that is what my ops wanted

[clear nexus]

rag is fine mostly

[wanton stratus]

rag just toggles so easily

[pseudo beacon]

rag has some serious draw backs for non cspam its hard to make the drawbacks felt for a cspam user

15 cost on warscream is a good chunk

but cspam does not care

[wanton stratus]

huh

[strong field]

isn’t it like 5

[clear nexus]

small issue there's so many ways to get -cost

[wanton stratus]

ie kero cos ringlet renda

[pseudo beacon]

idk I'm pretty sure its more than double digit in costs it doesn't list it in the tree

[strong field]

yeah but that is restricting even if not THAT much

[wanton stratus]

that is axe kick and it is upper

[strong field]

last time i checked it was 5

[wanton stratus]

axe kick is iirc 10

[pseudo beacon]

it's 10 just looked

[strong field]

huh maybe an int thing than

[pseudo beacon]

it is

[wanton stratus]

yeah ok small issue is that you can very easily cancel it

[strong field]

ok but it is a significant drawback

[pseudo beacon]

for sure but it's still annoying for a bash scream to get an extra 10 mana on scream

[wanton stratus]

warrior has generalist and the game has lots of 4th spell redu gears, so i think nerfing rag to 15 is good

[strong field]

you should know this from our hero building attempts

[wanton stratus]

didnt we not pick rag?

[strong field]

exactly for that reason

[wanton stratus]

yh bc you are building crafteds and leave no space for 4th redu gear

[strong field]

isn’t this a bit off track anyway since this doesn’t really affect cspam

[clear nexus]

keep idol and tree as is nerf rag and ab

that's literally all you need to do

[strong field]

that makes cspam still really strong compared to bash scream

i think nerf ab keep rag and nerf charge modifiers a bit

[clear nexus]

problem is cspam is somwhat useless outside of tna

[strong field]

that’s a fair point

[clear nexus]

naw keep the charge it's literally the weapon's identity

reskinned guardian without it

[strong field]

personally i don’t agree with that but i mean the spell modifiers not the cost on idol lol

[clear nexus]

ah

[pseudo beacon]

I mean chargespam probably should be better in single target than bashscream because its worthless outside of single target where bashscream is just all around good, you can lootrun with bashscream and cook, but lootrunnning with cspam is despair

[clear nexus]

yeah

[pseudo beacon]

definetely needs to be toned down though

[strong field]

yuh but it is like a lot more damage and also enables to whole team to not kite so at least needs some nerf

provoke with charge spam on greg is kinda goofy

[clear nexus]

keep fkick and flyby compatible and nerf both slightly

and the rag/ab nerfs

[strong field]

the problem with that solution that selvut brought up is that this apparently requires developers to do 💀💀

[clear nexus]

cspam sufficiently fixed while not killing completely

[pseudo beacon]

if they nerf rag and ab other builds that struggle get hit in the crossfire

[clear nexus]

I am highly surprised that this server is still alive with devs that refuse to take 2m to change like 3 numbers

[red nacelle]

Imo flying kick and flyby jab shouldn't be compatible because the only time you trigger both in one charge is if you start charging right next to an enemy, as flying kick has higher range than flyby, so making them incompatible only affects chargespam

[clear nexus]

problem is fkick would need to have a HUGE buff to compensate otherwise cspam is bye bye

[red nacelle]

Chargespam shouldn't even exist

So that's not a concern

[clear nexus]

nooooo I don't want interestingg build variety I wanna play bashscream for 13598734 hours

[pseudo beacon]

yeah idk, is everyone playing bashscream really the best outcome

[clear nexus]

no build variety = exact same gameplay for many hours = boredom = quit = dead game

[smoky ruin]

nice just had my second mythic ruined for no fucking reason

very cool ims, please keep ruining my mythics i worked very hard to aquire

[pseudo beacon]

the roll on idol didn't change

its the same % as before

[sharp vale]

Idol nerf is getting reverted

[gloomy flare]

the reason is erm umm play the game more please boost player count recouping your losses

[clear nexus]

your mythics WILL be ruined, salted WILL get his morbillionth yacht.

the game WILL NOT be fun

[weak haven]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-arbuckle-nermal-trash-can-the-garfield-show-gif-9365086984229579073

Salted looking at Shaman

[patent moon]

the reason is to fuck tm goblins (its not but i personally think seeing people mald is funny asf)

[smoky ruin]

value of mythic is relative not market dictated

pleanty of bad mythics have had a high price

archangel being an example

[patent moon]

still funny to see people mad

[smoky ruin]

yeah it is

[shy ferry]

The fact that people expect ct to not change mythics because of their value is fucking ridiculous

[strong field]

the real item team changes are the friends we made along the way

the fact this thread is still going is crazy bro

item team has no chill

i have to live with the fear i wake up tomorrow and selvut posts hero nerfs

this is a form of terror

[pseudo beacon]

bro, I made an apoc build it got nerfed, made a cherry bomb build its getting nerfed, I was like fuck it I guess I go back to idol

there is no terror anymore for me

[strong field]

bro got traumatized 😭

[fiery eagle]

Time to make air in a can build

[robust delta]

removed the dexterity again
nerfed ssac again to a 10% buff
shrimply how life is

[small citrus]

does he know

[brittle parrot]

Please add tp spam for mages! It's weird that warriors can charge spam but mages can't! Or get rid of warrior charge spam!

remove timelock

[wanton stratus]

🤫🧏‍♂️

[snow pilot]

did they do a 💀 and remove it or are you joking

[white urchin]

no its just bad

you just tp through mobs i think without something like fkick

[patent moon]

Cant you do it in timelocked? (At least i think a random person said that like a year ago somewhere)

[brittle parrot]

Using timelock consumes all your wind, but the time is so short that it's not worth using! It's weird that warriors can chargespam unconditionally.

[patent moon]

Yeah but timelocked/winded is getting a buff

[brittle parrot]

bro fr?

[patent moon]

yes, next patch (i think)

[brittle parrot]

Where is it?

[patent moon]

#984944802799972362

ctr f winded

[snow pilot]

im pretty sure thats a bmonk ability

notably not a class with a tp spell (also doesnt that suck or smth idk)

[gloomy flare]

wait, was the idol cost change reverted but the values werent?

my idol was like closer to -30 and got nerfed to -20, but now after the revert its still -20

[rocky kernel]

iirc the revert wont happen untill next patch which is unknown

[gloomy flare]

must've been pushed to the API earlier then since its gone from 10% to 32%

[shy ferry]

? is that not that the API is just updated now?

(on the unreverted version)

[gloomy flare]

yeah and wynntils %s are drawn from that

the roll % changed but the roll itself didnt which is why i thought that the roll hadnt been reverted

[shy ferry]

but a new roll of -20 is like 32% isnt it

im saying your wynntils is now showing the corret % for the value

[gloomy flare]

yeah but the scaling of the rolls was decreased

the % is correct but before the change the roll was closer to -30, not -20

[white urchin]

dude im gonna

istg if they fucked this up 😭

[gloomy flare]

sorry too much dev time to fix 😁

enjoy your devalued item peon

[shy ferry]

?? i am missing something

change will be pushed next patch?

[shy ferry]

and this is right wynntils % for current values

[calm wraith]

the idol reversion hasn't been pushed yet, this is API weirdness

[gloomy flare]

yeah thats what i was saying 😭

[gloomy flare]

like in this exact message right here i said it lol

[calm wraith]

it's in the system ready to be pushed with the next patch but

a patch has not come yet

[white urchin]

is only the -cost nerf being reverted

[calm wraith]

the change is being reverted

[gloomy flare]

i know 💀

[calm wraith]

the change includes:
-damage reduction
-intelligence reduction
-spell cost reduction
-mana increase

[gloomy flare]

the api got repushed yesterday when it went down for maintainence for new lbs

[rocky kernel]

idol truly dodged a bullet on that one

[white urchin]

there are new lbs?

[gloomy flare]

well they "fixed" (broke) the old ones and added content completion lb

[white urchin]

oh they made war lb total

[gloomy flare]

that too

[white urchin]

thats a w

[gloomy flare]

i mean

[white urchin]

snuck into top with all my besties 😊

[gloomy flare]

it took them like 2 months to fix a bug that involved US vs UK english 💀

that prevented defence from properly showing

and ngl like the new website is far laggier and visually cluttered

e.g. why is the server ip covering player name 😭

[white urchin]

@alpine apex almost 10k hours 💀

[safe needle]

oh and dead hardcore classes got deleted from the lb

nvm some of them are still here which is very weird

[alpine apex]

i’ve messaged nep about this stuff alr it’s really weird

[alpine apex]

[junior anvil]

is idol charge cost being reverted

[wanton stratus]

yes

[junior anvil]

when

[shy ferry]

next patch

[worthy kiln]

sorry they had to rush out idol change to fit it in with last patch so that means they can’t do anything until next patch

[patent moon]

you sure they "rushed it out"?

[worthy kiln]

pretty sure yea

[patent moon]

source?

[worthy kiln]

did u read the message where it wasn’t even listed on the running logs because selvut wasnt home when it got pushed

the community found out before it got officially listed

[patent moon]

yeah but they didnt rush it out

[worthy kiln]

and it’s not even listed because it got reverted immediately

[patent moon]

it just happened that accepted -> patch was really short because there was a random patch that day

[worthy kiln]

ok well even if it was a item maker majority agreed nerf it was justifiable for some item makers enough to the point where they don’t really care

[worthy kiln]

it sucks how changes can just happen whenever now

without even any documentation

[patent moon]

bro just think for a sec

[worthy kiln]

they were all in on it because fuck the market players

yes this is what happened

[patent moon]

if the patch gets pushed (INDEPENDENTLY) while the person having the changelog cant update it, how does that mean "theres no documentation"

[alpine apex]

[worthy kiln]

i mean like changelog documentation

[patent moon]

like, it just wouldnt make sense to wait until the changelog is updated to update files

[worthy kiln]

i fucking hate shadow patches

[alpine apex]

also . we are working on the changelog problem

[patent moon]

ok yeah selvut should definitely put "idol nerfed + reverted" in there

[alpine apex]

expect something to happen eventually lol

[worthy kiln]

i am not holding my breath

[patent moon]

were there even any "shadow patch" item changes recently before that?

[robust delta]

Dunno, they were shadow patches.
Perhaps we'll never know!

[worthy kiln]

so let’s say idol was an outlier and this won’t happen again

[patent moon]

in game shouts best constructive feedback

[worthy kiln]

this is peak market

the reason why i’m like obnoxious about this is because idol is one of the meta items

high value

one of the reasons to play this game at all

the item that supports the item that deletes the most popular boss in the game within 10 seconds

and they left the meta alone to stew for half a year

it’s a very sensitive subject that shouldn’t be treated like normal rebalancing

[quick remnant]

april fools we just nerfed idol for (at least) a week

[worthy kiln]

they were lucky it’s april fools they can get away with this

[quick remnant]

fuckin uhhh ooops just removed 26 charge cost

[worthy kiln]

smartest wynncraft change

chargespam is op???

well we have to nerf to charge, shrimple as that

ok ims vote now

they probably do know why (chargespam being op)

they are just completely powerless

[quick remnant]

would require a large overhaul bringing down the damage ceiling, though forced watch is already coming

[worthy kiln]

no way

bless lumi

[quick remnant]

a standalone cspam dmg nerf is shortsighted imo because thats not even addressing the main strength of cspam

[worthy kiln]

unfortunate how it’s just gonna extend the boss without it showing it’s hp threshold attacks

since people dps extremely hard triggering pink eyes then watched

completely skipping any other attacks

[quick remnant]

eyes are removed in the same patch

[worthy kiln]

wtf????????

[quick remnant]

watched warning will be something different but its unconfirmed

[worthy kiln]

tna updates???

das crazy

[deep anchor]

it is being adressed

[quick remnant]

that should happen independently of a dmg nerf

[worthy kiln]

i like the direction of making flyby jab flying kick mutually exclusive

but it’s still not addressing how warrior keeps aggro to let assassin get away with shit

[deep anchor]

and delirious gas likely won't be stackable with ragnarokkr

(rest in piss trickster, you will get overwritten by warrior buff)

[quick remnant]

they don’t intend to remove flying above greg, i think both it and kiting are seen as valid

[worthy kiln]

i guess yea

they gotta nerf echo multiplier th en

[worthy kiln]

this is legit the most annoying attack in the game

invulnerable mobs that deal true damage

?????

[red nacelle]

I think lumi actually said it was kiting and holding Greg in one spot that was seen as valid
I'll go check but I also remember her saying that she wants to give Greg some kind of anti-air attack that you have to be mindful of (instead of just skulls that you run from and then return)

[worthy kiln]

id love some kind of energy ball that charges above tna

then it explodes

[quick remnant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1226590902399537172/1226590913900445738/image.png?ex=662552ce&is=6612ddce&hm=a145d88d52b9238754a9f60e22e198c5e77ac00429f2a4bae697e35d74a67884&

[worthy kiln]

based?????

[quick remnant]

yeah

[worthy kiln]

no more invulnerable true damage gimmicks???

wait u can tank the melee????

like tank it without going hyper healing

[sullen scroll]

holy fuck????????

this is amazing

[worthy kiln]

i will be playing this new tna in 2.1

[red nacelle]

Missed the part where the barriers are now further out but going off the edge subjects you to "void winds" that deal % damage and push you

[worthy kiln]

BASED????

i remember wanting this

it’s actually real

can tna fall off the edge tho

[quick remnant]

no it’ll just look like he’s floating

[worthy kiln]

BASED

when are we gonna start camping below tna in the void winds

[quick remnant]

i think the void winds just go over invisible blocks, so no one is gonna fall off but they’ll be damaged

[worthy kiln]

ohh ok

thats kinda zzz but ok

isn’t the arena kinda already huge

[quick remnant]

it’ll just prevent hugging the wall

[worthy kiln]

yeah that’s epic

[red nacelle]

On I can't find the message I'm thinking of; it might not exist

But the only thing I was finding was that she thinks kiting is cool

[worthy kiln]

kiting is cool

[red nacelle]

Those messages did not mention flying

[quick remnant]

void winds supposedly also exist at the very top of the map, also by flying yea i meant cspam/piro

[worthy kiln]

flying above and avoiding all the ground attacks might be cringe

[worthy kiln]

ok that is based

[red nacelle]

I asked about this, they are not a thing

[quick remnant]

ah okay

[worthy kiln]

zzz

so we still walling

[red nacelle]

Yay sorcery flying bolt won't autokill me?

[quick remnant]

kiting, just not hugging the wall

[worthy kiln]

but there’s still barrier

[quick remnant]

yeah but you take damage in the region around that

[red nacelle]

You can't stay next to the barrier

[worthy kiln]

oh so it got extended

[quick remnant]

yea

[worthy kiln]

void winds so it is real

[quick remnant]

just don’t be dumb

i still see some noobas use wall as a crutch

[red nacelle]

Btw this might make roar less dangerous near the edge if Greg will shoot past you into the danger zone

No more getting hit repeatedly by getting pinned to the wall

But it will also be actually dodgeable anyways

[sullen scroll]

@worthy kiln btw 2.1 is gonna be a forgery update

source: i feel it in my soul

come back to praise me when it gets confirmed

[snow pilot]

nah man soul point update fr

[worthy kiln]

you lost me at i feel

[worthy kiln]

dude

2.1 is gonna be like

silverbull season pass

[sullen scroll]

LOL

[warm dew]

please no

[quick remnant]

hell yeah

this will buy salted's third yacht

[weak haven]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-edgerunners-my-honest-reaction-gif-26942939

I swear to god please no

[warm dew]

lol

[worthy kiln]

bit of a different update guys

it only makes sense

introducing the new silverbull pass

[gloomy flare]

ive heard 2.1 is a pretty good update

[worthy kiln]

heard?? u have ears???

[gloomy flare]

yep 😁 from people i have spoken to about it

[warm dew]

Riftwalker rework ... Shayman buffs

[wanton stratus]

fucked up update

[warm dew]

lol

[wanton stratus]

@strong field bad spring buff

[calm wraith]

oh no it doesn't help etw TNA runs whatever shall we do

[wanton stratus]

spring doesnt run etw

[strong field]

WHAT

@wanton stratus where spring buff

[wanton stratus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1079189707130408970/1226772156633845790/image.png?ex=6625fb9a&is=6613869a&hm=b942f54f06667d338a867e05e20c9326ca0d7c330116f17b21c4cfd39773480d&

[strong field]

mate what the fuck even is that

meh i’ll take it but that’s goofy as shit

[fervent cliff]

is it true???

[small citrus]

photoshop ignore it

[calm wraith]

idk go on the thread and check heres a link
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/item-team-thread-item-ingredient-major-id-changes-updates-more.269645/#post-3244969

[fervent cliff]

weaken enemy will only decrease mobs damage or increase players dmg?

[red nacelle]

Decreases mob damage

[stray river]

THEY ADDED S/W ENEMY TO A MYTHIC
MY DREAMS HAVE COME TRUE

can someone send me the text file of the changes plz plz plz (wynnforum is funny and does not like me)

[red nacelle]

This "round" so far is just spring having slow and weaken enemy (6-25 roll) and greed major ID being nerfed to 8% heal

[worthy kiln]

wehns it gonna release

did cherry bombs get nerfed yet

[red nacelle]

Best summary of the current state
#984944802799972362 message

[worthy kiln]

wow dats crazy

they really pushed all these changes during festival bug fixes

[strong field]

@calm wraith are you aware of how slow enemy interacts with the CCI system

[red nacelle]

I feel like it's unlikely it's any different than other slowness effects, seeing as weaken enemy is the same and abilities with weakness

[calm wraith]

there is never an ETA

[autumn knot]

Is there any reason the Idol reversion cant happen before the next update? The CT did multiple item changes during the festival, whats one more?

[calm wraith]

IMs are not in charge of when patches occur

that is not under our jurisdiction

[snow pilot]

revolt and take back the jurisdiction you deserve 💪

[gloomy flare]

they're removing riftwalker

[pastel mason]

it would literally be much easier to remove shaman

[calm wraith]

found your buddies

[robust delta]

Is there an implication you're the one taking the photo

[deep anchor]

how about we remove warrior instead

[calm wraith]

no I don't wear a backwards hat

[worthy kiln]

can we make warrior and assassin mutually exclusive

make them unable to join the same raid party

would solve a lot of problems

[deep anchor]

I'd do that with warrior and shaman, so the first one doesn't override all of shaman's buffs

and then did what you said

[worthy kiln]

they should make dps queues like in overwatch

1 per party

[lethal arch]

4 tanks

[deep anchor]

brilliant!

[worthy kiln]

nintendo hire me

[junior anvil]

more like add skill based matchmaking to tna

who up queueing tna ranked

[robust delta]

queueing TNA Casual
what are you bringing and who do you see

[tepid ravine]

idk about bring. but youd certainly see diamondhunt2007

also small notice but idol change did not get pushed with cps changes unfortunately (idk why)

[quick remnant]

its coming on the "next patch" which is confirmed to likely be 2.1

[tepid ravine]

what lol

[stray river]

in "a couple weeks"

[quick remnant]

yea its very stupid everyone knows

[tepid ravine]

this WAS a patch, it just didn't get pushed for some reason, and second, and there is zero guarantee next patch is 2.1

[worthy kiln]

i’m bringing loonibender

and fuguh singu mage will be in my party

[stray river]

virgin loonibender vs chad non-mage user

[quick remnant]

a patch is whatever they say is a patch idk lmao

[tepid ravine]

I mean, this was a patch lol, the cps stuff got pushed (and some other things, but idk if anyone has noticed)

[worthy kiln]

scroll merchant genocide

[tepid ravine]

ah so it was noticed

[quick remnant]

idol revert and cps patch coming in the same would be funny as hell because idol would be made unplayable by 8cps anyways

[stray river]

@empty hemlock respond to the allegations

[quick remnant]

it not coming in the revert too is kinda crazy

[nocturne crow]

Remove warrior, assassin, mage, and archer.

[tepid ravine]

the changes are in as far as I'm aware, I guess items just didn't get pushed

[nocturne crow]

Shaman meta, finally

[stray river]

sentenced to play shaman [0/105]

[tepid ravine]

I'm pretty sure I committed the revert myself

[empty hemlock]

[tepid ravine]

maybe it was the original change idk

[quick remnant]

the revert was confirmed on april 3rd lmao

[tepid ravine]

.

[empty hemlock]

It's true, half my kin have been abducted and ruthlessly murdered

[stray river]

what...

[empty hemlock]

Dungeon Scroll Merchant, they're all gone....

[stray river]

salted... is this true...

once again salted betrays us 😔

i am beginning to see a trend here 🤔

[worthy kiln]

on idol?

[tepid ravine]

yea

[worthy kiln]

btd w master

who even pushed the change to master in the first place

before the revert

we need to riot

[tepid ravine]

nvm I did like every other mythic change

[empty hemlock]

wynn github in shambles. There's a single person reequired to review prs and they don't even have any tests 😭

[tepid ravine]

little do you know...

[empty hemlock]

It's worse.. I know... I am too optimistic

[stray river]

protest on emerald trail

[tepid ravine]

it would be so incredibly funny to say how it works right here but I cannot regrettably

[worthy kiln]

i don’t want to imagine

u guys can keep ur wynn github

[alpine apex]

lol

[stray river]

what if new ingredient

[alpine apex]

what if i had already made a new ingredient but it wasn’t being pushed until the next update

[stray river]

!! amazing

LEAK the new ingred plz plz

[alpine apex]

[deep anchor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1221539240525955152.webp?size=128&quality=lossless

end me

[alpine apex]

[small citrus]

dead thread revival, i like the changes on fissure

seeing a major id on a low level legendary is cool

[worthy kiln]

whahat

they put fissure on a what>>???

[small citrus]

they put tremblor on fissure

[worthy kiln]

huh

is that an item

[calm wraith]

this is a really old change though...not recent at all

fissue is a low level legendary earth spear- I think LV 48

[deep anchor]

I didn't see anything in forums
Shadow patch perhaps?

[calm wraith]

notice the jump in the dates here

[strong field]

well fissure doesn’t actually do anything

[calm wraith]

I made the thing nine years ago or more

[small citrus]

honestly just never noticed it, it’s a cool change and i hope it precludes a similar set of changes across classes for lower level items moving forward

introducing newer players to the concept of alternative play styles that come from items and not just abilities is cool

[deep anchor]

now we just need exploding fix 🙏

[snow pilot]

dang 2015?

what a boomer frfr

[calm wraith]

ik that's meant in jest but that bugs me so much that people have just started using boomer as a shorthand for old in any context

[snow pilot]

dw i use it for people younger than me too

that totally makes it better

[patent moon]

dang
what a boomer frfr

[lost gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-tf2-gif-26558298