proximity chat

[vernal canopy]

I'm talking about my close friend "Gladionus" there

his opps won

[steel adder]

anything that involves more than a drag and drop download will never take hold at any reasonable scale

[neat fiber]

aight man

what are your thoughts on the 19 "people" that have downvoted ur suggestion

[vernal canopy]

👎

happy 1000 messages guys

[novel bridge]

!!!

Free gladipeanuts

[abstract lark]

We read all of them, there are 2 main reasons we are not doing the voice chat. First is moderation, it would be really hard to moderate and second is that our servers recently are experiencing issues already, adding another one and it being a voice chat server on top of that would pretty much kill it. Never say never tho.

[sleek relic]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-fall-fall-cat-cat-falls-cat-dies-gif-23805510

[vernal canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-box-cute-death-penalty-gif-19440000

its over

[zenith berry]

sorry, literally not possible. (this is not bedrock)

oh wait thwe lad was banned I forgot (silly ol me)

[steady pecan]

@spice patrol shut up pl*yer

[spice patrol]

nope

[cinder scarab]

why was buuns banned wtf

[steady pecan]

he does not like furries

classic dazzle

[primal jungle]

g*mer

[vernal condor]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-to-do-list-long-list-gif-5580267

[halcyon delta]

calling people zoo philes (was warned for it and muted and then did it again)

[steel adder]

my boy done got cooked

[hushed fable]

can we get the rest of the people like em too 🙏

[weak creek]

cmosier yourself

[quick crater]

ban slime1484 for witch hunting!

[cold stone]

fr

[hushed fable]

this guy doesnt even know my name smh....

new players these days

[quick crater]

Sébastien

[cold stone]

mods that's attempted doxxing! fucking perm ban him!

[still knot]

You cant shittalk furries thats why

[halcyon delta]

No, it because he accused people of being zo0philes, even after a warning and mute specifically not to do that

[sullen moon]

free buuns he aint do none wrong..

[spice patrol]

free gladionus free epix free buuns

free triflame

[quick crater]

where can i claim them?

[spice patrol]

✊

[halcyon delta]

he has done so much wrong

[halcyon delta]

and triflame is a bigot 😭 he aint coming back

[spice patrol]

he should tho yall too pricky about him

he is a good guy who got framed

[steady pecan]

silence c*ntent team

[zenith berry]

Simply something about furries but either way good riddance!

[halcyon delta]

he literally isnt

[steady pecan]

FUCK discord

[spice patrol]

he is tho

[halcyon delta]

he is not

[spice patrol]

no proof

[halcyon delta]

Your insistence that he is kind of rubs off as you admitting you yourself are also transphobic.

[zenith berry]

But do you have proof he was framed though.

[abstract root]

<@&268142859327242242> Can you please lock this thread? It went off topic for far too long.

[zenith berry]

True...

[spice patrol]

nope im not a transphobe i dont fucking care on what you do or ur gender beacuse its a personal choice and i dont have any right to say what is wrong or not

but free triflame he aint do nothing ✊

[halcyon delta]

#🌎wynncraft message

by your own admission you dont like transphobes, thus you should not like triflame.

[spice patrol]

also free gladionus btw ✊

[spice patrol]

blud searched my msgs :(

[halcyon delta]

Yeah, because I had to check whether I should file a report for you to be banned or if you were just trolling

[zenith berry]

Jesus both of ye move to general or something

[willow rock]

bye chat

[willow rock]

arise

[steady pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1134894107307802795/1211648198402248726/aeae.gif

[brisk gust]

why did it get unlocked

why was it locked in the first place

[willow rock]

do not scroll up

[brisk gust]

ok

[steel adder]

is hades open source? i think svm is so it can just be forked and maybe send voice packets to a custom server as long as we can find a way to get proximity information the way hades has it

surely the server requirements can’t be that hefty :clueless:

[hushed arch]

Ok im tired of baiting and trolling

This suggestion is dogshit

Im removing my like and adding a downvote too

[spice patrol]

Dnc

[zenith berry]

It's still just how would you do it other than link it to discord

[steel adder]

^ is possible

a third party server is how other clients do prox chat while bypassing the need for server to have anything insyalled

[willow rock]

I actually think that this is a cool idea but wynncraft isn't doing this itself and I have mixed feelings about the moderation aspect of this

[steel adder]

is it an issue if its not endorsed by wynn? i feel like it shouldnt matter to mods at all, itd be the equivalent of essentially using a privae discord server to do calls

if you guys arent clear on the moderation aspect id rather not sink time and money into figuring this out then tbh because i really do want to see this happen but if yall are gonna flip flop on "is an external program that offers no gameplay advantages allowed" its prolly not worth it

[neat fiber]

keep in mind this will be the greatest addition uve had and will have for years to come

[steel adder]

like if this is an issue, do you guys moderate what happens in other discords, or what happens with existing proximity chat clients like BLC Laby and feather?

[still knot]

Nerd

[vernal canopy]

too scared to mci up ?

[covert flint]

noooo why did this get reopened

please locked this again aaaaaaa

[steady pecan]

please go somewhere else

[covert flint]

cya

[steady cargo]

I can see where this could be useful, but it's a double-edged sword

[sullen moon]

DID YOU BAN BUUNS

[steady cargo]

what does that have to do with the topic

[sullen moon]

im investigating

you are welcome to answer in #🍺general if you please

[spice patrol]

I mean it could be outside the wynncraft

which wouldnt make sense to be on here but if the problem is how to moderate that it could be made on wynntils feature, like nelston said is hades open source

[willow rock]

please stay on topic because i think if this gets locked again i cant justify unlocking it a 3rd time

[spice patrol]

i think it would be fun to have ingame voice chat for wars and stuff like that

[zenith berry]

It will have to be outside of wynncraft tbf since I don't think voicechat in vanilla java minecraft is possible.

[spice patrol]

yeah

like wynntils or an website

[zenith berry]

But then what makes this differs with just invite some randos to discord

[steel adder]

these mfs sabotaging me 😭 my q still stands tho, is this something mods are adamantly against (in terms of not being officially endorsed by wynncraft)

[steady pecan]

thank you borpus

i cant see why mods would have a problem with it, its just using exterior communication that you obviously have to opt into using. imo same as like, a discord call

mods shouldnt be expected to moderate that

[willow rock]

yeah that's what I'm thinking but if it becomes widespread enough it will be used almost as a substitute for chat except people can say stuff without repercussions

[steady pecan]

yeah i can see that angle

idk its up to mods, i think it'd be pretty sweet. some of the most fun ive had in recent memory was playing lethal company with ppl in proximity chat

[willow rock]

ye I can understand it would be really fun in some ways

[spice patrol]

yeah in raid or wars

[steel adder]

isnt any form of alternative communication already a chat substitute? i often use discord instead of typing in guild chat

i think that any spread is inherently going to be limited by the fact that its not officially endorsed by wynncraft- simiarly, the features wynntils develops does not (and rightfully should not) have an effect on the features that the actual wynncraft develops, because one is not "officially" endorsed (although i guess that distinction might not be true anymore now that wynncraft officially partnered with a modded launcher)

i dont think its fair to limit the access to this because it could be a substitute, i think realistically the people who choose to get the mod will be highly self-selective

[steel adder]

ok, a separate question then- could we use wynntils features and "call" them for use in other mods (basically, using wynntils as a dependency)?

[vernal canopy]

I love proximity chattering

[abstract lark]

Well yeah, that's literally how fuy.gg works

[steel adder]

awesome

[vagrant canopy]

we should add this with a third party mod and keep all the feds out

[sacred elk]

i agree

[spice patrol]

thats what nelston gonna do

[vagrant canopy]

imagine you’re warring and you fail the hq and someone runs up to you from the defending guild, calls you several slurs and then movement spells away

[spice patrol]

in theory is easily moderatable

[kindred crystal]

mak ewynncraft great again

[vagrant canopy]

it would actually be so much fun. you could just mute the spergs (from your own client)

[quick crater]

walking in on an e-couple

[spice patrol]

like if its actually needed to moderate you can transcript the voice to text using basic ai or smth and then filter the slurs

[vagrant canopy]

i dont really like those “people” so id rather not have them infringe on the proximity chat

[spice patrol]

wdym by those people

[vagrant canopy]

the m*deration team…

[spice patrol]

oh yeah moderators suck

[vagrant canopy]

im trolling btw . the mods are cool. mostly

[spice patrol]

10% are cool the rest should suffer

[vernal canopy]

who up going on an edate with proximity chat in detlas

[kindred crystal]

<@&268142859327242242> y'all just gonna take that ?

[vagrant canopy]

whar

[willow rock]

whar

[upper kraken]

Stop bringing me back in here

[spice patrol]

mfer you getting this channel locked again we actually trying to make this an thing

[hushed fable]

please lock it then we hopefully wont get it 🙏

[sacred elk]

why

[hushed fable]

because bad idea and please and thanks

[steady pecan]

??? if you dont like it then dont get the mod

[hushed fable]

thats part of the problem with it, wynns modless experience

[still knot]

Isnt this Slime guy correct for once?

Like this will never happen officially, someone else will just make a proximity mod for this

[hushed fable]

the whole "not needing to download a mod"
how are you gonna add this without mods

[steady pecan]

the wynntils in question

[hushed fable]

people can play wynn without wynntils !! even i have

[steady pecan]

yes.

[still knot]

Didnt knew constructive feedback was directed to wynntils

[hushed fable]

and im like addicted lmao

or well was addicted so-so stuff has happened and i quit but

[steady pecan]

dawg. We're discussing making a mod that would let ppl use prox chat. not making wynn modded.

[hushed fable]

adding proximity chat to wynn

not talking about mods

[steady pecan]

this user has not been reading the thread

[spice patrol]

yeah mf we not talking about officialy anymore idk if you actually looked the threads msg or you just came to complain

[still knot]

Ok so if it isnt officially anymore then why is it spoken about here? And not in a thread in the Wynntils server

[spice patrol]

beacuse we want to + related to wynncraft if you dont like close the channel and stop being dumb

[steady pecan]

lets keep it friendly

[still knot]

If you want it to be added you would ask those who make mods for wynn, and not ask the CT for wynn

[steady pecan]

but yeah no reason we cant discuss stuff here, its a cool idea that if done i think could add a lot of fun to wynn

[still knot]

You just need a chit chat place to chat in because you have nothing else thats why you keep it here

[hushed fable]

gotta agree with xae there

i still havent seen a good way to moderate it either

[spice patrol]

we dont want it to be moderated tho

[hushed fable]

well thats certainly an idea

[steady pecan]

why would wynn staff need to moderate an exterior chat

[vernal canopy]

third party mod not up to mods

[spice patrol]

• there is an easy way to moderate that

[steady pecan]

thats a ridiculous ask

[hushed fable]

i never specified wynn staff

[hushed fable]

the things like this i certainly do not consider to be a plus

[spice patrol]

yes but we dont want to be moderated, if someone say slurs or smth there will be a feature to just block them

[steady pecan]

this

[hushed fable]

hm yes anyone can say slurs and if you dont want to hear them you dont have to

[spice patrol]

yeah???? its just like discord but easier

[vernal canopy]

ok don't use it

[steady pecan]

yeah.

[hushed fable]

what a truly ingenious idea this is like adding /ignore so you dont have to put a chat filter in

[cinder scarab]

honestly the discussion of making a mod is not for the wynn constructive feedback forum

[spice patrol]

i can literally say the n word rn and you could block me and never hear me again

[hushed fable]

and we could report you and get you punished for saying it which is a pretty important part

[spice patrol]

Ok but is something the community wants to make and we can use this chat to, idk why you guys are so mad at something that doesnt not involve wynncraft being prejudicated or anything like this

[cinder scarab]

the constructive feedback forum is for feedback on official game features

not third party mods

[steady pecan]

samsam why be a buzzkill

[spice patrol]

ok samsam quit yapping 🗣️

[hushed fable]

i mean tbf it was suggesting to add an official game proximity chat

[cinder scarab]

we arent going to lol

[steady pecan]

its a thing for wynn, wynn players would use it

[spice patrol]

yeah but then turned out to be more easier to be added as an 3rd party mod

[hushed fable]

yeah cuz the original idea sucked lmao

[cinder scarab]

go discuss it in wynntils discord maybe they will add it

[hushed fable]

wouldnt be the first skull move wynntils has done

[cinder scarab]

thinking about it more i like the idea of wynn proximity vc but only as a third party thing ofc

[spice patrol]

anyways besides yall hatress @steel adder i think wynntils could be used like a dependency, just like fuy.gg does smth stuff with wynntils

[steady pecan]

🙏

[hushed fable]

all fun and games until people start going "oh you need proximity chat to join our guild" or something skull like that

[spice patrol]

you do not look like someone that goes outside and has interaction with the real world

[hushed fable]

and????

dont they cover fallacies in like high school english

[cinder scarab]

if a guild or raid party wont let you in because you wont use some mod then they werent worth joining anyway

[spice patrol]

you are hating a thread that was made by the community to improve the game in someway we would like, you are literally hating a thread about voice chat beacuse you have nothing else to do

[hushed fable]

so true

[steady pecan]

this

[spice patrol]

also if wants to keep yapping about this lets move to #🍺general

[steady pecan]

if someone more knowledgeable about it than me can confirm or deny if this is possible, would be great

[vernal canopy]

@cinder bough make Wynn proximity mod

[sleek relic]

we free

[tranquil solstice]

<@&268142859327242242> i'd say lock this thread since it's gone from any kind of wynncraft feedback/suggestion discussion to just a wynntils suggestion.

[spice patrol]

???? dont lock it again

[hexed hound]

I disagree to be honest, it is related kinda

since its about wynntils interaction with proximity

it did sidetrack a bit

[spice patrol]

borpus unlocked it only for the fact we discussing about features to improve on wynncraft, dont matter if its in game or not. Its not prejudicating anything and anyone why would they lock a constructive feedback

[spice patrol]

yeah wynntils being by wynncraft or not dont change the fact they are a qol of mod and can be discussed here

[hushed fable]

well if a proximity chat would actually improve wynn which like idk i have my doubts

[willow rock]

gongus

[spice patrol]

yes your doubts, which no need to come here and be toxic over a thread about proximity chat that does not even involve a moderation

[rose karma]

gongus mothman

[hushed fable]

i hate to break it to you i am not the one being toxic here

and yes not involving moderation is one of the issues, thats like saying "lets get rid of gaius you can just block people"

[spice patrol]

@ripe zinc

[ripe zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/spoon-cat-spoon-spoon-cat-cat-apple-apple-cat-gif-254879498273748

[spice patrol]

so you see, its not a thing that is wynncraft oficially so there is no need to moderate if you dont want to, since it wont be part of the original game just a side thing you can have

[hushed fable]

yeah?

"it isnt wynncraft" and "you can say slurs if you are fine with people blocking you" are very different things

[spice patrol]

even if the moderation is the problem that can be easily moderated idk why are you so concerned

[hushed fable]

yeah so like how exactly

[spice patrol]

thats not what i meant, its just that they are not obligated to moderate

[hushed fable]

idk who you mean by "they" lmao

[still knot]

I said this and got shat on

[spice patrol]

So you can make a voice to text thing using ai like fundy used in one of his video and check if the player said any slurs or anything with basic idk regex it isnt that complicated to check it

[hushed fable]

samsam is a cool liked member of the content team smh

[still knot]

Rare Blegar W

[still knot]

He has gotten a lot of massive W's lately

[hushed fable]

always has

even before staff

[spice patrol]

Whoever is making the mod

[hushed fable]

yeah thats what i was thinking
wasnt sure if you were mistakenly believing the wynn staff idea tealy mentioned earlier

[spice patrol]

also toaster agreed that since its a wynncraft related thing it should not be closed

[sinful holly]

moco

the town of yapsville needs its mayor

[tranquil solstice]

Can you stop and please just grow up? The entirety of the doubts he has had he's been reasonable about, yes i let my emotions get a bit heated (which with the people like you in this thread is pretty easy) But slime has been reasonable for most of the time, if your entire thinking is "oh he disagree's so it's toxic" then you really just need to actually think for once.

[spice patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-happy-dog-dog-happiest-dog-super-happy-gif-17885812

[cinder scarab]

its a wynn related thing that relies on a third party, while this forum is for stuff the content team can do

[spice patrol]

this is still not hurting anyone and we having a constructive thought i dont understand why are you guys so mad it

[tranquil solstice]

And i'm going to throw in something slightly extra, this thread is completely pointless if it's now becoming a wynntils suggestion, because not many of the wynntils team are gonna look here, you want it to be a suggestion? throw it in the wynntils suggestion area, REALLY detail it, and see if it gets accepted. But as I shouldn't have to point out since so many people have, the lack of moderation would be a major issue with that suggestion.

[cinder scarab]

im not really mad i just question why because i feel like you'd get more done if you talked about this in a more relevant place with people who could actually act on it

[spice patrol]

thats not the point we are not making it a wynntils feature we want use wynntils as dependency to use as it own mod

[still knot]

Mocomochi is going for top1 most messages sent

[tranquil solstice]

Again, ask wynntils that then. Your entire idea is based off of the mod. Nothing that this sever can do.

[spice patrol]

as i said add a slur detection or anything like it wouldnt be hard

[tranquil solstice]

Until you realise false positives are easy to do

[spice patrol]

yeah but that could be checked by someone if they get false banned, as i said we are making an external mod that does not relies on wynncraft, we only made this thread beacuse its related to wynncraft and its more easy to get people here then in wynntils server. It doesnt need to be moderated everyone that liked the suggestion agreed with it, just a block button and move on with it

[willow rock]

if it makes that much of a difference that is under feedback we could create the same exact thread under guild community

or anywhere else

[hushed arch]

there also needs to be server side support

[spice patrol]

yes

[willow rock]

it seems like people just want to chat about the possibility which is fine

[spice patrol]

yeah thats what we want but they are angry at it being here for some reason

[steel adder]

can you guys stop sidetracking the damn thing i been on my knees three times to get this shit unlocked already, it’s relevant to constructive feedback because it directly takes the input of players who would use it, its not a wynntils feature because wynntils wont add it, and nobody’s asking mods to moderate private discords so why would they moderate this

is this everything i didn’t read it all to be honest

texting on the job

[willow rock]

I think so but in general if you actually plan on doing this I can bring it up to the mod team officially so you don't get shut down after the fact like ambrosia casino

[spice patrol]

[willow rock]

except that ambrosia casino was kinda done dirty because we said never mind but that's besides the point

[steel adder]

sure, ive been discussing the technical aspects with a friend in DMs and i can send those along if you need

[spice patrol]

free ambrosia they done nothing ✊

[willow rock]

oh ok if someone else is looking at it then that's fine

[steel adder]

no not a mod, just been discussing implementation routes

[hushed arch]

to be fair

theres a huge difference between moderating private discords (which is an entirely different platform), and moderating communication in Your Own Platform
an example is like, lets say i own a store, and you are the moderator of my store

if people meet and casually say slurs in my store, you as the moderator, will have to filter that language and kick them out or something
but if people meet in my store, then go out to their home, and then casually say slurs over there you dont rly have a right to do something

Even if the method of communication is different, if it takes place in my store then it's your job to moderate it

[willow rock]

oh in that case sure

[steel adder]

i get that but my main question is is if that’s an issue why aren’t they already moderating proximity chat? it already exists, just on certain (legal) clients

[hushed arch]

an argument against this is also that it might feel too empty sometimes, wynn has a max of 40 players across a map that's 5k+ (and thats only the max, the average per world is much less)

so the time it would take to implement this, only for it to be incredibly underwhelming would be Not worth it, it'd only really shine in certain use cases, but they're too niche to implement such a server-wide change

[spice patrol]

the opps being really quited after nelston dropped facts

[willow rock]

chatting between worlds with ghosts when I walk into detlas

[spice patrol]

that would be so funny tbf

nah but you can limit it between worlds

[hushed arch]

yea well how do you expect them to moderate those? it's practically impossible to, its like if you used a phone in my store to tweet bad stuff or something

[sinful holly]

add fortnite emotes to wynncraft

[hushed arch]

Also making voice chat work on a proxy is just way too complex, the input lag would be insane and the prerequisites for smooth voice chat are too many

[willow rock]

not my mod not my problem I'm sure if they wanted to do that they could figure it out

whoever is actually going to try to do it

[hushed arch]

Nah clientside proximity chat in one world is a thing, clientside proximity chat across multiple servers is a whole different thing

[steel adder]

the tldr of the technical aspects so far is this: your current coordinates would be sent to a central 3rd party server, where they’d be indexed by their value, and if another pair of coordinates falls within 100 blocks or so of your current location, a back end voice channel would be created and you’d both be moved into there- this would only work if your current server is detected as a Wynn proxy, which strictly limits operation of this mod to wynncraft’s network, but has the benefit of making it so yea you’d be able to chat with ghosts anywhere since the only thing that matters is your location and distance not which world you’re on

[willow rock]

ye ur probably right but the possibility would be funny

[spice patrol]

https://github.com/openai/whisper btw if the problem is moderation as i said you can give it a shot to stuff like this, openais whisper speech-to-text thingy

[hushed arch]

Acc now that I think ab it network-wide proximity voice chat is possible

[sinful holly]

would it set the other players voices volume locally

[steel adder]

I don’t, that’s why im saying it wouldn’t make sense to force them to moderate this

[spice patrol]

and it has support for dozens of languages

[steel adder]

I don’t want scaling volume, i don’t think it’s worth it for the extra work

[hushed arch]

Why is this thread in #1019649786799996980 if we're simply discussing the possibility of a client-side mod that enables proximity chat, with no server interaction ?

[spice patrol]

Beacuse it was originally meant to be a wynncraft feature suggest by skibidingus but now turned out into something and there is no need to move since its related to wynncraft

[willow rock]

I have created a thread in the staff server for other mods to give their opinions let me know if u want me to add/change anything about this message

[steel adder]

i already explained this- the main stakeholders (players) are here, can give feedback on implementation/usage, other channels are too active or off topic to be used, and a separate discord kills potential user interactions which might make the development more robust

[hushed arch]

Anyways yea it's possible, just not worth the work

And it's already possible to do client-side if you're determined to do it anyways, you could also limit the proximity chat to WCs within a range of yours (you can check what WC a player is in using wynn api so this isnt difficult)

This could technically be "implemented" by a determined player, you just need to make it as known and used as Wynntils

[steel adder]

one small thing- i would have a block system so unsavory users could be essentially self-moderated by being on everyone’s block list

[hushed fable]

isnt this what they used to have for minecraft servers

and then some guy found it with their 7 alts and banned a ton of people

[hushed arch]

If wynnmods arent moderating the mod though then non-affiliation with wynncraft has to be a huge disclaimer before using the mod

[hushed arch]

Hes just saying a block system, not a report system

[hushed fable]

ig

self-moderation is just a bad idea imo

cuz then it discourages things like the people in charge moderating

then you can end up with things like the sc2 general chat where the only time they arent arguing politics is when they are arguing religion

[hushed arch]

we already discussed how difficult this would be to moderate, moderation clearly is an issue already and so adding another platform to moderate would be a whole different level

its basically impossible to moderate, so essentially wynncraft isnt taking responsibility for it, its just gonna be a client side mod that is non-affiliated with wynncraft, made for wynncraft, by wynncraft players

maybe i could see the mod getting its own mod team to moderate such stuff, or maybe like a filter to atleast help

but ultimately thats up to whoever takes the task of creating the mod

[steel adder]

i don’t have the time or knowledge to write the code, only the resources to pay for development and promote the mod with my platform

[calm reef]

Can't you just like. Use the mod if you want to already?

[hushed fable]

wtf non orange nagisa since when

[hushed arch]

There is no "the mod"

[willow rock]

have added to the thing

[spice patrol]

what mod tho

[steel adder]

there is no mod yet, that’s why im asking for feedback with this thread from people who’d end up using it to add to development and maybe see if I can pick up some modders who’d be down

[hushed fable]

cant you just like sacrifice to satanic beasts or whatever like people do for proximity chat on other servers

[hushed arch]

cant you just like link up irl and roleplay wynncraft

[hushed fable]

irl wynn when fr

[calm reef]

I meant aren't there already mods for proximity voice in minecraft, but either way the server has to set it up on their end it seems.

[hushed arch]

The server doesnt have to necessarily set it up on their end, and there are, but they don't work network wide

[steel adder]

needs server mod in every other case, there is a way to bypass this requirement which is what I laid out before (using our own private server the way wynntils does for hades features)

[calm reef]

https://gyazo.com/1bce469d0cc549903d1ca04440ee05c4
Considering both voice chat mods i know require server setup, I just was guessing.

[hushed arch]

labymod and badlion also dont require server setup (you essentially just have your own server running)

[steel adder]

hence why im asking for specifically that there’s no Wc detection, so that you can talk with anyone near you regardless of world

[hushed fable]

realistically when talking to your friends you likely would be on the same world anyway

[hushed arch]

although in specific cities like detlas it might work against you, where voices might be overwhelming

[steel adder]

that’s the beauty of it

[hushed arch]

but actually at the same time you also have to consider that not everyone in detlas is gonna use proximity chat

[steel adder]

the chaos is the beauty

also as for making the mod more well known or more used, i can answer that with a separate question- how did voicesofwynn or showmydps get so big?

i have a platform to kickstart the growth, then if the mod is good enough i only hope that word of mouth would spread it more

[steady pecan]

god bless the nelston

[steady pecan]

thank you for acknowledging this 🙏

[steady pecan]

this

tbh idk why anyone would even expect a fanmade mod to contain moderation

[hushed fable]

why wouldnt it?

not like its being moderated by wynn or anything but like generally moderation is good

[willow rock]

one of the concerns is that if it becomes widespread enough (which the idea of this mod depends on it becoming widespread) there is an expectation for it to be moderated even though it's not "an official wynncraft playform"

[hushed arch]

its too much work to find players who are willing to actively moderate for a mod

[hushed fable]

i mean i dont think anyone other than tealy is saying wynn mods should but like

[hushed arch]

yeah ive said there should be like a huge disclaimer before you log into the server that explains that the mod is non-affiliated with wynncraft, and any of the stuff communicated on the mod are not wynncraft's responsibility

[hushed fable]

generally if you can talk to people publicly you shouldnt be able to just say anything at all because like racists exist sadly

[steady pecan]

if it was widespread enough then presumably developers might add a moderation team of its own

[hushed fable]

yeah thats what we are talking about

[steady pecan]

could mute people based on uuid from reports

[steady pecan]

block the racists

[hushed fable]

youd have to like somehow record what is being said for moderation tho right

[steady pecan]

💀

[hushed fable]

hm yes why ban racist and transphobic and etc from this server or even have gaius in the first place when discord comes with a block feature

[hushed arch]

it could be cached on the client, and then you choose a clip where the report happened to send to moderation team

[hushed fable]

ooh thats an idea

[steady pecan]

why have chat at all when people could be hateful

[hushed fable]

because you can ban being hateful

[steady pecan]

ban chat

[hushed fable]

chat is pretty easy to moderate cuz like minecraft by default even im pretty sure keeps logs of chat

[hushed arch]

You cant have a moderator team watching everyone 24/7, you just need to rely on players to report what happens, then moderators can investigate incident and act accordingly

[hushed fable]

like compared to a vc you can just go back and see what people said then

[hushed arch]

Thats the job of the police irl too, having police officers roaming around hot spots 24/7 is just useless, instead they wait at a station for a report or a call

[steady pecan]

youre acting like youre so scared of someone being hateful for the 5s it takes to mute them that either the whole idea shouldn't happen or it should somehow be 1984 style moderated

[hushed fable]

this is like completely wrong

[spice patrol]

sithvsjedi when someone screams the n word and not get shoot in the head:

[steady pecan]

sorry i know you have real concerns and on some level i do agree with you

[hushed fable]

me when people shouldnt be able to just say slurs for fun !!

[steady pecan]

but i just dont get what you expect to happen realistically

[muted elbow]

tealycraft slur defender (you can just block the people so its not a problem at all 🤯)

[hushed arch]

You guys are idealistic asf tealy is actually talking realistic

[muted elbow]

(your point is very bad)

[steady pecan]

im not defending people saying slurs.

please do not fucking say that about me.

[hushed arch]

How the fuck do u expect mods to be there for slurs 24/7??? Players are gonna have to report/block people who say slurs its not 1984

[hushed fable]

(why does your job exist when players can just block people)

[spice patrol]

if the person is bothering you just block them literally problem solved move on dont need to be like "NO THIS PERSON SAID A BAD WORD NOW I NEED HIM TO BE PURGED TO THE DEEP LAVA OF HELL 😠"

[muted elbow]

exactly!

[spice patrol]

thats way different dumbo

[hushed fable]

is it?

[steady pecan]

yes.

[hushed fable]

people say bad thing that they should be punished for, get punished

"oh but why punish when you can just block them"

[spice patrol]

mf i swear the god shadow will have to mute me beacuse im going to scream more then 10 slurs in this chat

[steady pecan]

sithvsjedi what are we gonna do about the private discord servers where people say slurs

[hushed arch]

You cannot expect moderators to know everything happening at once, tealy's point is to rely on the community to point out who's breaking the rules, and then have a moderator team to take action

[spice patrol]

GRAHHH STOP WITH THE QUESTIONING

[steady pecan]

this

if the mod became popular enough, as everyone is hypothesizing here, i dont disagree with having a punishment system

[hushed fable]

id say theres a difference between a private discord server where people can say slurs and something like say a wynntils chat feature https://feedback.wynntils.com/posts/143/proximity-voice-chat

[steady pecan]

wynntils is very popular, reread what i said

[hushed fable]

i did read what you said

[hushed arch]

Sith you have to be baiting

[hushed fable]

i assume the idea is for it to be like popular and used by a lot of people as opposed to just a friend group or something along those lines

[steady pecan]

if it became as popular as wynntils then yeah im cool with having a report and mute/ban system

maybe could even be forwarded to wynn staff and get hateful people banned proper

i think thatd be a good idea

[flint lark]

tealymine

[steady pecan]

but i dont think its worth talking about using like, ai to detect slurs, and an automatic filter

[hushed fable]

yeah for like oh its you and the guild you can always just ignore it like the people who say stuff like that in guild chat normally kick someone

[steady pecan]

that would be hella easy for people to evade anyways

[spice patrol]

i mean its an way.......

[hushed fable]

me when wynncrafts chat rules do not apply to guild chat

[hushed arch]

This reminds me of 2016 ai trying to create a sentence

[steady pecan]

if whoever devved this wanted to then sure

i just dont see the logic in hinging the whole thing on that's reliability

[spice patrol]

i mean they dont

[hushed fable]

yeah

[spice patrol]

i saw plenty of death threats last night in a guild chat where there was a moderator and they dont get purged so breaking rules are allowed!!!

[hushed fable]

yeah its wild

i have like multiple screenshots of it from when i screenshotted funny messages (and was actually active)

[spice patrol]

not that i dont like, its so funny to be toxic on wynncraft

[steady pecan]

guild chat is a whole dif can of worms

[spice patrol]

i like worms

[steady pecan]

same

wriggly lil fellers

[steel adder]

moderation would inevitably require saving voice data, which would be a massive breach of privacy far more serious than just not moderating it

[steel adder]

ai is fucking garbage at edge cases- example, 那个 means “that” in Chinese, but sounds like the n word in English, there’s a high chance it is caught and auto modded by ai

[steel adder]

im talking a big game rn i really hope my search for a modder succeeds 😭

I wish I had the technical expertise to do this myself but i don’t sadly know any java and I don’t have time to learn a whole language just to make one mod

[flint lark]

guild

[spice patrol]

restrict it only for english screw asia servers

[steel adder]

i ought filet you like a fish

[hushed arch]

legit just cache voice data on the client side, then the user can choose what clip to send to the server when reporting

[steady pecan]

this would be a fine solution imo

[spice patrol]

me on my way to rp on rooster island 😈

[hushed fable]

yeah send all the nsfw shouters there in a vc lmao

[steel adder]

you’re asking people to save hundreds if not thousand of audio files on their computers?

it could auto delete every so often if but we still don’t have people who’d want to actually mod even with the files in hand

[hushed arch]

it is Caching only
it is deleted when you disconnect from the game

There could be a command to clear cache aswell, or they could just go to appdata and delete it themselves

[steel adder]

yeah I guess

[steady pecan]

could prob delete every like few minutes, run a command to save last 5m

[flint lark]

tealy

[steady pecan]

or however long

[flint lark]

what about the issue of sending all of the packets across the network...

[steel adder]

we did the math- even assumign 1000 people use the mod and actively transmit void data constantly at 64 kbps that’s only 64 mbps the server would have to handle, location data (literally one line of text) would be absolutely trivial to handle so I didn’t even factor that in

for context, to my understanding most basic cloud servers can easily handle 1 gbps up/down, or almost 16x what the maximum possible use case on Wynn is, hell my personal wifi is prolly enough to handle this even

[flint lark]

let's host it on your personal wifi then

[steel adder]

i already offered to pay for and set up a server if someone would write the mod (which I can also commission)

i just don’t have someone who has expressed interest yet

[flint lark]

ok i was joking but this is based

[steel adder]

got a modder, let’s see how it goes

[spice patrol]

im the modder hi

[tawdry ledge]

raise your hand if your first name rhymes with bigger

ex. banana, turtle, antimony

[spice patrol]

Mocomochi

[tawdry ledge]

ok

[vagrant canopy]

@modern canyon

wait nvm i didn’t read the rest of the conversation

i want this to exist so bad

[steel adder]

already talking to a fella about it

it’d be awesome if essentuan is interested so we can get it done quicker tho since he said he’s kinda busy rn but would be down

[vagrant canopy]

tbh id make a video on it if it became a thing

[steel adder]

bro gon mog me out my own video 😭🤫🧏‍♂️

[vagrant canopy]

i cannot beat the band for band message

[vernal canopy]

we done pinged essentuan like 20 times his ass is NOT responding

[vagrant canopy]

im special

[modern canyon]

I am down to look into it

I can just add it to fuy.gg probably (it'd be opt in though)

how possible itll be idk though

[sacred elk]

essentuan can you add a scraper that downloads voice clips and use it to train a voice AI of me 😍

[modern canyon]

no...

i hate ai...

[willow rock]

bro really is special

and in the good way

[vagrant canopy]

erm... are you implying that being autistic is a negative personality trait...

[vernal canopy]

he is he just told me in dms

[primal jungle]

caught in 64k

[willow rock]

special ed is not necessarily for those with autism but for those with learning disabilities

which it's not a good thing to have a learning disability

[haughty mason]

just dont make it tiers, just let ppl pay custom amounts and to break that amount you have to pay more :>