Revert the lootrunning system

[lean acorn]

I wholeheartedly agree with this post.

[winged falcon]

Thanks.

[somber trellis]

[royal lichen]

nuh uh

[lean acorn]

Why is that

[royal lichen]

revert wars instead that would be much better

[novel locust]

To me personally the new lr is way more engaging and fun however the mythic inflation is INSANE now. Hopefully it’s not so bad in fruma

Glorified legendaries with purple names

[lean acorn]

i agree with that

i was considering making my own thread about this issue but the moderators dont want me making another thread.

[kind sun]

I wholeheartedly agree with the constructive feedback post. The old lootrun system should be restored and bring back some much needed love to this server

[winged falcon]

Looks like i beat you to it 😛

[slim crane]

No

[winged falcon]

Great minds think alike apparently xd

[lean acorn]

i meant about the mythic prices .

[winged falcon]

Personally i dont care

[crystal dome]

just add another rarity

or make shinies actually do something

[lean acorn]

i already have a draft ready for it but i have no doubt that i will get silenced once again.

[crystal dome]

ct cant take criticism

[raw gulch]

no

[crystal dome]

fire element sucks why no fix

[crystal dome]

sorcery recasts charge on knight why no fix

[autumn saffron]

We oft remember not the words of our oppressors but rather the silence that our allies behold as a result.

[crystal dome]

tna animation can make you take fall damage why no fix

[lean acorn]

true

[crystal dome]

guilds suck why no fix

[crystal dome]

greg hard melee disables paladin for no reason why no fix

see you can just point out issues in the game and ct dont care

🤯

[kind sun]

That's what Samsam101 loves doing. Best

[crystal dome]

ignore the playerbase fuck them

[raw gulch]

i hate fun

[kind sun]

Especially on areas of the game he doesn't care about

Best example: guilds

[royal lichen]

you should become a CT member and fix everything 🔥

[mortal edge]

as someone who found 2 mythics in 24 hours using morph in the old LR system;

the new one is much better

To address some of the points raised:

1. The old system hasn't been completely ripped out. Caves and hidden out-of-the-way chests still exist, and you can access these without starting a lootrun challenge. In fact, I'd argue that the new system also improved the old mechanics by more easily showing the expected Loot Quality in a cave.

2. The old lootrun system wasn't any more or less complex than the new one. Before, you had to consider loot quality and loot bonus and balance that out with having enough sustain and (especially if you poked around in SE) damage. You basically had to engage with the very complex custom crafting mechanics. The new lootrun system replaces most of that with the mechanics regarding beacons, missions, and their interactions.

3. While the increasing difficulty of challenges may discourage long runs for the casual gamer, short runs aren't necessarily bad, either. AFAIK, the pulls-per-minute between runs below 20 challenges and runs above aren't too dissimilar.

4. Again, the old lootrun system had its own unique pressures: namely, the rush to camp or reserve a world before its chests are looted by someone else. I much prefer the new system in this regard because it removed negative competition.

5. Unpredictability is good so that things don't go stale and boring. Missions, in particular, introduce a good amount of variability because what missions you get will most likely modify the beacons you take. Furthermore, the old system had its own unpredicitability. You could have the best LB/LQ gear and still not get mythics due to bad luck.

[crystal dome]

i aint doing allat

[raw gulch]

i know nothing about guilds so i'd probably just make them worse + gms cannot alter guild features

[crystal dome]

can you fix knight recasting sorcery

[raw gulch]

No

is this actively an issue right now

[crystal dome]

can you fix tna animation fall damage?

[mortal edge]

also, add 1000 neutral damage to all fire mythic weapons

[kind sun]

Then why try and pitch in as if you do?

[raw gulch]

i can bring it up though

[gleaming owl]

I was just thinking the same but you best me to it

Damn…

[raw gulch]

@quick narwhal

[royal lichen]

they should have it recast all movement spells instead❗

[kind sun]

Yeah shut up a3

[crystal dome]

damn i just got censored

oh i said the f word mb og

[raw gulch]

i usually dont

[gleaming owl]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-kittens-kitten-cat-cute-cat-gif-7309452916863172056

[crystal dome]

knight recasting sorcery is a big ouch in TNA because it disables you from taking insid III (REALLY GOOD BUFF) because if you do you A. cant use charge to corrupt and B. cant use charge in boss normally because risk of recast launching you right into the big black monster chasing you @raw gulch

[gleaming owl]

The fact some people genuinely believe this wasn’t satire is more funny then the post itself

[kind sun]

Let's get back on topic!

[raw gulch]

is this currently an issue though or has it been fixed

[kind sun]

👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨

[crystal dome]

it is an issue in the game for a very long time and yes its still here and i still suffer from it because i only have knight no warrior 😭

[raw gulch]

very often people will complain about bugs that are already fixed so

[raw gulch]

u know u can unskin your class right

[autumn saffron]

1. Subverting expectations was a great quality of the old system, a surprise is what we're all here for.

2. Unlike new lootrun mechanics those old ones had basis in the game in a general sense, beacons and such are entirely new and unrelated to the rest of the game in any way.
   Also the balancing of loot quality and loot bonus ends up not mattering much beyond getting some simple goals to aim for.

3. Discouraging long runs in any way and giving them rewards that aren't much better is simply terrible design, I suggest that short runs have abysmal rates instead to compensate for this error.

4. The competition wasn't negative if everyone was being mature about it, and it was almost at the point where everyone was indeed being mature about it.

5. You said earlier you can have an expectation of the results, regardless the variety with beacons is entirely negative since there's always an optimal strategy.

[crystal dome]

hero feature no? also last i checked was 1 month ago so if the bug was fixed in the last month thats cool

[lean acorn]

Bro if you have so many problems make another thread for them

[crystal dome]

it got closed last time i tried ok maybe i went too insane but uh

[gleaming owl]

Bro

[raw gulch]

constructive feedback forum is not for bug reports anyway

[crystal dome]

my ass is not opening a forum account

why isnt there a bug report feature in discord anyway

[raw gulch]

brought it up, devs are pretty busy atm though so idk if anything will be done

[mortal edge]

It's monday so I'm all geared up to argue on the internet regardless of sincerity

[crystal dome]

honestly i wouldnt mind rollback on 2.04

like it isnt that great the older system was just as good and a lot more intuitive

[lean acorn]

I dont see how this is satire

[winged falcon]

My suggestion is serious

Idk where u got that from

[crystal dome]

this is definetly not happening though lol but we can dream

[raw gulch]

as for your other issues:

• fire sucks: not my problem i am not an IM
• tna animation fall dmg + greg hard damage disabling paladin: i could fix this but i am not in charge of tna so i dont want to break anything
• guilds suck: i do not hold the capability to fix guilds because i am not a developer

[crystal dome]

the guilds one was just a joke i dont think guilds suck

[gleaming owl]

What are you in charge of?!

[mortal edge]

fruma!!

[crystal dome]

except that ppl can cancel tributes no matter rank in guild thats a stupid bug it should be strategist that needs fixing

[raw gulch]

i know guilds definitely have problems at the moment and i hope they get improved at some point

[gleaming owl]

No chiefs. Diplomacy is chiefs

[raw gulch]

i am a GM which means i make quests and mobs and stuff

[mortal edge]

delete lari quest

[raw gulch]

for real

[gleaming owl]

Remove tasim

[chilly monolith]

delete @mortal edge

[mortal edge]

istg lari questline is still the one i hate the most

[gleaming owl]

He’s annoying ah hell 🙏🙏🙏

[mortal edge]

****** Rol3 and 4

[mortal edge]

The new LR system is a lot more scalable. Instead of a potentially infinite number of players fighting over a limited number of worlds and lootable areas, now everyone can participate when they want to. Whether that game philosophy is good or bad is up for debate, but I personally think it's better.

[crystal dome]

what

[lean acorn]

solution: client side chests

[crystal dome]

what is he yapping about

[raw gulch]

is this thread really not a shitpost

[crystal dome]

idk man ppl did like 2.03 shrug

[lean acorn]

it doesnt look like one to me

[mortal edge]

Basically in the old LR system if we had 500 players but only 50 open worlds, then if those 500 players want to lootrun only 50 would be able to (unless the rest want to snipe).

The new LR system allows all of those 500 to do runs without tripping over each other.

[raw gulch]

youre requesting that we remove an entire system and bring back the shitty old one lol

[gleaming owl]

Honestly they put so much work into awesome end game content like the corrupted ice barrows dungeons. Remove loot runs altogether and make a 15 min chest cool-down per chest opened! It will make people appreciate dungeons and raids even more !

[chilly monolith]

just lootrun caves instead of doing silverbull lootrunning 🤯🤯

[crystal dome]

this isnt talking about legacy lootruns its about 2.03 lootruns

[autumn saffron]

Unless proven otherwise don't assume a suggestion is in bad faith.

[raw gulch]

thats like suggesting we remove wynnscript and go back to 2013 fetchquests

[mortal edge]

Oh you mean pre-mission update?

[crystal dome]

yes

[chilly monolith]

oh

[gleaming owl]

More fetch quests please!!!!!!!!!

[mortal edge]

ahh my bad, idk then, I wasn't active post-legacy pre-mission so I can't really give insights

[gleaming owl]

Temple of the legends but with 12 items

[raw gulch]

did u read the original post? its pretty clearly talking about 2.0.3 lrs and going back to going around clicking chests for hours

[chilly monolith]

i think youre wrong

[chilly monolith]

yea

[crystal dome]

but thats stupid

thats clearly a shitpost

[mortal edge]

I actually don't know now whether the original post referred to reverting to pre-missions or the old old old system

[raw gulch]

i will say that i personally dont like the added layer of complexity that 2.0.4 added to lrs

[crystal dome]

me neither

[gleaming owl]

you are both wrong !

[crystal dome]

you lootrun with epoch

[gleaming owl]

no, i switched to hero idol cuz zzzzzz

[mortal edge]

don't shame people for the builds they use to lootrun (i use abso, totally unrelated)

[gleaming owl]

that epoch class was for prof as well

[crystal dome]

shame on you

[mortal edge]

:/

[chilly monolith]

its talking about the old old old system seeing as they’re bringing up stuff like the timer

[gleaming owl]

@lean acorn ur missing this gold

[lean acorn]

i havent played this game in 2 years do u think i know wtf a mission is

[mortal edge]

look, abso isn't terrible if you just do short runs and take +damage or +weaken boons

you're also basically unkillable and can afk the protect objective challenges

[crystal dome]

ok but it still just objectively shit (me when base dps makes or breaks weapon viabiaty)

[lean acorn]

I do agree with this post based on what ive seen about the lootrun update from several discordian streams

[gleaming owl]

discordian strea,s yes yes

[lean acorn]

Bring back the old system and ocean unleveleds

[gleaming owl]

when you guys finnaly adding the levi lootrun.....

[mortal edge]

we might as well revert Seavale Reef to 2019 (?) when it gave 32 LE per hour 😠

[gleaming owl]

it was anounched so long ago

[lean acorn]

I would much rather spend my time looking for 1 tier 1 chest on a small 5x5 island than do all this.

[winged falcon]

Guys please keep in mind my post is talking about 1.20 lootruns.

[crystal dome]

ur stupid

[mortal edge]

what is that in english. legacy? pre-mission?

[crystal dome]

it has to be said

[crystal dome]

very legacy

[mortal edge]

oh thanks. no, that's bad

[lean acorn]

very legacy for you

[mortal edge]

you can still look for a tier 1 chest on a 5x5 island in the current system!!!

[kind sun]

Well said ok lol

[lean acorn]

hasnt even been a year since its been added

[winged falcon]

Thanks. Please upvote if you agree with my suggestion

[chilly monolith]

do this

[winged falcon]

It will encourage me to post more in the future

[kind sun]

Already did

And I encourage others here to follow suit

[lean acorn]

Its not the same when i cant snipe people and get told slurs in my dms

[bleak tiger]

done

[winged falcon]

Thanks gang member

[bleak tiger]

pls dont call me that

[crystal dome]

what guild is u in

[lean acorn]

Im guildless.

[crystal dome]

more alts awesome

[mortal edge]

serious suggestion: please rework Corkus silverbull lootrun. It's so bad compared to the others

[gleaming owl]

He a real one

I heard he wanted to join EDN

[lean acorn]

Ive been in this discord longer than you have

[crystal dome]

does that make u superior?

[winged falcon]

Kinda does yea

[lean acorn]

Please do your research before throwing accusations.

[chilly monolith]

very agree but only because of the travel times

[arctic surge]

What old lootrun system

[gleaming owl]

add more catapults to corkus

[crystal dome]

happy new year

[chilly monolith]

before silverbull

[mortal edge]

the caves require more than 2 braincells too. like that one with the red lime whatever key and you have to unlock parts of the cave 🤮

[chilly monolith]

ok fair enough lol

[mortal edge]

SE doesn't even have caves that require brain

[arctic surge]

Me when opening chests (there is no system there it's just opening chests in an organized fashion)

[raw gulch]

the corkus caves are bad cause they were designed with 2.0 lootrunning in mind, so they were meant to be harder than most caves. they could definitely do with some scaling down now that the lr system is different and involves mobs scaling up with the challenge count

[crystal dome]

the corkus caves arent hard though they are just midly annoying

[mortal edge]

🙏

they're not hard necessarily, just frustrating yeah

[gleaming owl]

deserved honestly

rodo gang

[raw gulch]

does anyone actually use those geysers we added for the rodo lr

[mortal edge]

rodo might be my fave ngl. I like how they added geysers to skip through most of the frustrating parts

[chilly monolith]

yes

[crystal dome]

not really

[gleaming owl]

yes for the altar

[mortal edge]

I do! so much

[chilly monolith]

i use both

[gleaming owl]

gaining height with idol is annoying

[mortal edge]

yeah the altar at the top, I cba to do that parkour even if it's easy

[crystal dome]

i just spam charge

[mortal edge]

also the geyser at the bones cave

[raw gulch]

could definitely indicate them better, i didnt have any ideas for how to do this naturally so i just put boxes near them

[chilly monolith]

i mean

[crystal dome]

sign that says and i quote "rockwet lawuncher here uwu"

[chilly monolith]

the npc also mentions it

[gleaming owl]

you got a whole ass npc telling people to use it bruv

[chilly monolith]

but i guess not everyone is gonna talk to him

[crystal dome]

i never knew that i skipped the dialog

[mortal edge]

There's this one cave in Sky that could use a cloud

[chilly monolith]

whcih one

[mortal edge]

I dunno if I am just blind but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have a nearby cloud and it's on the lower part

[raw gulch]

ill let tealy know about it

which cave is it

[mortal edge]

I think it's the one that goes to the....thousand leagues part

[chilly monolith]

last time i did sky on warrior it took 3 hours for 100 challenges

never again

[mortal edge]

or is there a quick way up that I just am missing?

[gleaming owl]

nawrrrr, ur just slow

[raw gulch]

you mean the crane one?

[mortal edge]

yeah

[gleaming owl]

i have to be honest... the clouds make warrior in sky very doable

[chilly monolith]

i had to learn all the cloud locations

i probably forgot most of them again

[mortal edge]

Oh! Also. The trampoline in the wybel island. Sometimes you accidentally walk on it on the way to the chest 😭 Just make it a cloud

[raw gulch]

this one

[crystal dome]

-2047 125 -4434 @raw gulch this stair is placed wrong this is my biggest issue with the game

[raw gulch]

i think that was added prior to throwclouds

so yea it wasnt thought of

[raw gulch]

will fix 👍

[crystal dome]

NO WAY

insane w

[royal lichen]

have you ever looked at the corners on the last floor of ToA

[winged falcon]

Can we stay on topic with my post

[crystal dome]

no

[winged falcon]

None of this is relevant.

[mortal edge]

i think most people are against legacy LR 😦

[chilly monolith]

samsam is in charge of all the stairs that are placed wrongly

[gleaming owl]

dont rework that, just add all of new llevi 👍

[bleak tiger]

Who are 'most people'?

[raw gulch]

theres a throwcloud kinda nearby for a prof grindspot that goes up to kandon beda, its a distance west of the crane, could add one closer to the crane though

[crystal dome]

incrediblre

[winged falcon]

If u dont agree then leave.

[raw gulch]

unironically small things like that annoy me and i fix them whenever i find them

[chilly monolith]

yea same lol

[lean acorn]

for real

[mortal edge]

well as of right now only 2 people have voiced support for the legacy LR system apart from OP

[winged falcon]

Thats just not true

[arctic surge]

yea

[chilly monolith]

somehow 8 people agree

[crystal dome]

fake

[winged falcon]

"Somehow". Idk maybe it is a good suggestioin

[crystal dome]

💀

[arctic surge]

this suggestion is just

[chilly monolith]

maybe

[arctic surge]

delete content

[crystal dome]

(that is good)

[bleak tiger]

sometimes you need to do that

[arctic surge]

how so

[crystal dome]

the content*

[gleaming owl]

quality over quantity

[arctic surge]

ah, yes

[arctic surge]

the lootrun camp system is very high quality

[raw gulch]

dont close the suggestion we are getting some actually useful lr feedback here

[mortal edge]

i may have missed a message but these are the only two who have articulated arguments in favor of reverting to legacy lootrunning

[lean acorn]

fr

[arctic surge]

don't plan on it

[crystal dome]

hes femboy doesnt count

[raw gulch]

are there any other places where people would like to see geysers

[mortal edge]

check a few messages afterward and you will see we were just miscommunicating between legacy lootrun and premission lootrun

[lean acorn]

Im sure he meant the 1.20 system

[gleaming owl]

back this up with a source !

[arctic surge]

my opinion

[gleaming owl]

👍

[mortal edge]

Found it for you

@lean acorn

[lean acorn]

Those are two different people

[bleak tiger]

that is not the person who started the thread

[lean acorn]

Im yet to see alt warring in MALD say he meant pre missions

[mortal edge]

oh lmao I'm crazy i'm sorry. absolutely delusional

[arctic surge]

tbh this whole post can also be solved by reverting the chest refill system

but that also isn't the best idea since people wanted player specific chests for ages

[crystal dome]

whats play spesific

[arctic surge]

er

[mortal edge]

client side chests?

[arctic surge]

didn't want to call them client side since they aren't really

[crystal dome]

cant you jsut change the chest refill system without touching that spesific important part of it

[chilly monolith]

the only 2 places i could see benefitting from geysers would be the dragon mouth cave (Tealy already said no to that one, which is fair cause it's honestly kinda ok without) and a geyser to the top of frozen heights since it's slightly annoying to get to if you have low ws and horizontal movement spell (warrior)

[crystal dome]

frozen heights is fine with warrior you have your movement spell (uppercut)

[raw gulch]

dragon delta is kinda a weird one cause the dragon mouth is over the path into mh so adding a geyser in the middle of the path would fuck with people coming into mh

[chilly monolith]

but its not like its necessary at all

[crystal dome]

its not even that tall tbh so womp womp

[gleaming owl]

that ruins the whole point of the frozen heights bruh

[mortal edge]

ok but that would be funny-

[chilly monolith]

wdym

[arctic surge]

wouldn't that be rather... op

[gleaming owl]

why does all lava evaporate and freeze except for some tiny geiser

[chilly monolith]

it isnt frozen at the bottom

[crystal dome]

it would be the same as legacy lootrunning but you have 50 tasty full worlds waiting for you to gobble them up

[mortal edge]

add a bubble elevator 👍 s

[gleaming owl]

it is for a lil bit

[arctic surge]

and then you wait a few hours and have 50 more worlds instantly

[chilly monolith]

yea for a little bit

[crystal dome]

yes very cool

balanced af trust 💯

[lean acorn]

You can easily implement a cooldown

[chilly monolith]

not saying it's necessary at all. It's just the only 2 places where I could see it being slightly beneficial to some players

[bleak tiger]

The majority of advocates for player specific chests were people who were not very well-versed with lootrunning and/or were mostly just stating their dissatisfaction after a few lootruns with less loot than they had hoped for. Most people I saw speak on this thought the old system was fine but I suppose we were just exposed to a different type of demographic regarding this

[arctic surge]

the 1 block wide hole in dragon delta is really annoying, with high walkspeeds it's annoying to get into and the fact that you still need the dragon food is also weird because no other cave has something like that

[gleaming owl]

horizontal geizer to get up there

geotherminaly charged waterfall

[mortal edge]

just walk ong (i am trolling btw, I am ok with a geyser up)

[crystal dome]

hes against it you potato

[chilly monolith]

400% ws vs 1 block wide hole

(the hole wins)

[crystal dome]

solution jsut instead of walking there use 30 thousand charge spells to get up

[mortal edge]

lol the ws is really a problem because you also would have a hard time getting into the mouth the regular way (overshooting)

[chilly monolith]

so true

[crystal dome]

imagine if whirldwind strike worked MID AIR

[arctic surge]

that would be uh

slightly overpowered

[crystal dome]

SO FUNNY THOUGH

[analog harbor]

that would be cool

[vagrant frost]

Add animation to Greg charge when even though there was a thread 4-5+ months ago where CT said they would add one

[crystal dome]

honestly i dodge it without sound at this point so idrc

[arctic surge]

IT WOULD BE

this is a very valid argument

[bleak tiger]

Can you guys please stay on-topic?? What does this have to do with the Thread

[crystal dome]

who cares this thread is absolutely never getting done

[bleak tiger]

Leave then

[crystal dome]

higher chance fire items actually get buffed

[bleak tiger]

What are you doing here if you're just talking off-topic

[mortal edge]

Can't, really, because that would give the impression that more people support this than are against it

[crystal dome]

yes you can that would make no difference but i dont wanna leave and you neither so he can cope

[vagrant frost]

Can someone give me a tldr on this thread?

[bleak tiger]

They're not arguing against the thread they're just talking about random things unrelated to it

[crystal dome]

revert 2.03 and 2.04

[arctic surge]

lootrun system deletion

[mortal edge]

revert lootrun to old system of chest opening

[vagrant frost]

Agreed from my post about mission being awful in their current state

[mortal edge]

in b4 lootrunners guild revival

[crystal dome]

mission sure but 2.03 was awesome

[vagrant frost]

I might just need rehab tho

[arctic surge]

i think calling it "reverting back to the old system" is a bit misleading because... there was no system. You just opened chests

[lean acorn]

Pretty good system

[bleak tiger]

It worked better than whatever this is

[arctic surge]

And you can STILL do that

[vagrant frost]

The massive nerf to the basic over world chests was really lame imo

[bleak tiger]

Look at the market and tell me its in a healthy state

[crystal dome]

its healthy

[mortal edge]

i mean it was informal but it still had some system. LB/LQ to softcap -> sustain -> movement -> check for fat worlds

[bleak tiger]

this is why some people shouldnt be allowed to vote

[crystal dome]

ok

[mortal edge]

yeah people who disagree with me shouldn't be able to vote!! i agree and love democracy

[crystal dome]

at least im still allowed to join guilds unlike your ano blacklisted ass

[lean acorn]

I dont think mythics being priced like godly legendaries before is healthy

What does being blacklisted to ano have to do with any of this?

[arctic surge]

Fixing that doesn't require the deletion of this system

[bleak tiger]

you're not an expert on this topic so you shouldnt be acting as an expert on it

[crystal dome]

it wasnt like this before but that isnt bad nessecarily

[bleak tiger]

how many chests have you opened

[vagrant frost]

Running around with 200 % lb and 60% lq doesn’t feel even close to as “nice” as it use to be and because combat is so fucked with curses and stuff you can’t really use LB and LQ sets like you use to.

[mortal edge]

do you even lift!! how many pound

[crystal dome]

nothing just pointing out hes a little silly with it

[arctic surge]

Then don't do it in a lootrun camp

[bleak tiger]

off-topic

[mortal edge]

so how many

[vagrant frost]

Agree they are seperate but I still think missions are so awful they deserve to be deleted until a better system is implemented

[arctic surge]

missions are quite good imo

But that's opinions

[vagrant frost]

It’s a terrible system imo

[mortal edge]

why so? srs question

[crystal dome]

overstatement tbf but i dont like it

[vagrant frost]

In its current state, it’s extremely boring and the “cool” stuff is locked behind so much rng it lead to extreme burnout for me

[gleaming owl]

Not a fair argument is it? Mythic prices have completely crashed and thus old loot running has been nerfed into hell. I’m not saying old system or lack there of should return but saying. “Just do it like we used to” isn’t dismissing his point.

[crystal dome]

mythic prices will never return to pre 2.03 anyway

[mortal edge]

ahh I agree, bad mission dice roll can ruin a good run

[crystal dome]

its not about the amount of mythics at this point

[bleak tiger]

great mindset dude

[vagrant frost]

It’s also the fact there are only fucking 12 rn. It’s very very boring to me

And like 5 of them are shit and don’t matter

[lean acorn]

Nerd reacting cuz you know hes right

[crystal dome]

ok

they wont though so wompers

[bleak tiger]

'mythic prices will never return to pre 2.03 anyway' is not a very constructive way of approaching an issue

[arctic surge]

His point was "i can't run with lb and lq because of boons and curses"

[gleaming owl]

Prices would slowly return to old prices apki.

[crystal dome]

there is no issue mate

[vagrant frost]

I would also enjoy if lring was about more than just mythics. I seems to be one of the rare people who enjoys when the “rare” legendaries and uniques and stuff are in pool.

[bleak tiger]

im not your mate. (pause)

[crystal dome]

alr mate

[sacred rose]

im curious

whats your ign?

[gleaming owl]

I see, it was someone else arguing that then. Longneck sitting on his stone

[mortal edge]

This has been said time and time again even back during the old legacy lootrun system ("Oh no we need to stop the price deflation of prices!!!! This is how:") and it has never happened because that's just not how the Wynncraft economy works

[vagrant frost]

My point is, it feels like there isn’t a spot for traditional lring because of the massive nerf to overworld chests, and the spot that was “added” by the lr camps, can’t really be done by traditional lring sets

[gleaming owl]

What is YOUR ign

[mortal edge]

my ign is literally the discord nickname i use btw

in case anyone wonder 😳

[winged falcon]

Nobody wonders

[vagrant frost]

I am curious how much lring do you do shadow?

[gleaming owl]

I ain’t talking to you, I never talked to you. You can not form a sentence without fallacies

[mortal edge]

aww. you have hurt my feelings

[lean acorn]

this is him

[crystal dome]

its not lol

he has 5k chests

[gleaming owl]

11th grade class of whatever your native language is will do wonders 😼

[vagrant frost]

Cause again my opinions come from someone who lr every single day during 2.03 but QUICKLY quit and got burnt out when mission came out when though I spent 12+ hours beta testing them on hero beta

[mortal edge]

It's hilarious how you call me out on fallacies while also using ad hominem against me. Keep on keeping, mate 👍

[vagrant frost]

Fuck a flame war is starting

[gleaming owl]

the joke

[vagrant frost]

Good luck soldiers

[mortal edge]

This is about reverting the lootrun system to the old old old system, not pre-missions

[lean acorn]

where are you getting that from?

from the ano blacklist? lol

[crystal dome]

oh nvm might have gotten wrong guy what is ign?

[vagrant frost]

Wouldn’t that be done just by buffing over world chests to a similar spot as before 2.03?

[gleaming owl]

skikibidibingus has owend sir apki here im afraid

its time to retreat

[mortal edge]

Yeah like, the silverbull lootrun system doesn't really prevent the existence of the old chest-open system heh

But people seem to really just want to delete the silverbull system so I dunno 🤷‍♂️

[vagrant frost]

I would like to also see a buff to overworld chests and give an option back to “chill lring”

[mortal edge]

You know what might be fun? Add more chests akin to the cryptic key ones in SE

[vagrant frost]

I miss being able to turn my mind off for like 30 minutes in sky but it doesn’t feel worth the time even with a 3 week timer on the chests

[vagrant frost]

I also really like the weird cryptic over world chests I agree it would be fun to have more “special” chests that are exactly caves

[mortal edge]

not just in SE btw but in other places too

[vagrant frost]

I think the moon in sky would be a good place to have a funny one

Shadow opinions on this?

[somber trellis]

@bleak tiger wsg mate.

[bleak tiger]

bro pause

[hazy orchid]

not a guild suggestion, implemented

[arctic surge]

You mean deleted

[hazy orchid]

good idea, delete all non-guild suggestions

[arctic surge]

Nah this post is just about removing 2 updates worth of content

?

@winged falcon Why'd you delete it

[hazy orchid]

lol yeah im joking

[winged falcon]

Accident

idk how to put it back so igave up

[winged juniper]

Lol

[gleaming owl]

only real once rember the fire contents of this post

[cloud mural]

because it was dogshit probably

and we're obviously not gonna revert the lootrunning system

[bleak tiger]

wooow

[cloud mural]

oh boy! I wonder if this was a bait post !!

[fallow wadi]

🫃🏿

[vagrant frost]

Why is it impossible for CT to understand some people don’t enjoy the update

It’s funny to me to see “some” CT just gorgus react and not really defend their point at all besides a blanket statement of “we said so” it’s almost as if the real defense for what ever shitty system you implemented is inadequate (imo)

Mission are still trash imo

Maybe I just need rehab

🐴

[noble spoke]

I’m pretty sure the OP wanted lootrunning to be reverted completely
like all the way back to the elitist and toxic “system” of world claiming and sniping

[spiral totem]

What i dont get is why regular chests have to suck now. Makes early game caving feel very unrewarding

[vagrant frost]

Op just wanted overworld chests to not be ass. If you actually read some of the points he’s trying to make he doesn’t want to delete 2.03 lootrunning changes he also just want to option to lring like how it previously was and I agree

I agree with his points lootrun camps is a very “active” way to play to where previously it was a fair bit more chill. I miss being brainless opening chests but it doesn’t feel worth it now, even with a 3+ week timer on chests

[spiral totem]

Got here too late to read points 🥺

[lean acorn]

Miss warp lootrunning

[vagrant frost]

This ^

[vagrant frost]

Op clarification is a bit burried in the middle of junk

[vagrant frost]

I do also agree heavily with this. Early game Wynn got a hit hard imo with the overworld chest changes

[formal elbow]

Could you at least post your points here again
At least a quick tldr of it would be nice

[vagrant frost]

To the best of my understanding tldr overworld chests nerf was so drastic it doesn’t feel worth the try to lr like it was previously to 2.03. I think client side chests are a change for the better just the extreme nerf to them makes them pointless imo. Op missed the brainless relaxing chest open simulator and I agree. Sometimes I just wanna watch Netflix and follow old lr paths but it’s not worth the waste of 30min-hour even with massive wait timers

[raw gulch]

we are not going to revert the lootrun system

[vagrant frost]

Jesus Christ it’s like you can’t read omg

I’m sorry if that’s rude. We are just asking to buff overworld chests

[raw gulch]

oh i agree overworld chests need a buff

[vagrant frost]

AHHHHHHHHHH

[raw gulch]

i'm not the one in charge of whether or not they get buffed tho

[vagrant frost]

I’m gonna bonk mysef back into rehabs I swear

If you could pass on the message pretty please 🥺

[lean acorn]

make chest lootrunning on par with the new system

or nerf the new one fr so no one does it

[cloud mural]

sometimes I question if this channel was a mistake

I wish we got more valuable feedback

[lean acorn]

this really is amazing feedback from the wynncraft CT. we really should step up our game...

[autumn saffron]

Nothing seems to be of any value to you if it doesn't align with your viewpoint and what you're already working towards, I agree with deleting the channel due to that.

[cloud mural]

yea

[cloud mural]

I know right

[vagrant frost]

This type of mentality creates echo chambers that creates stuff like the current garbage mission system. If y’all would actually take the negative feedback into consideration you wouldn’t be in these positions. Everything from mythics being too common, to world chests not being up to par. Imo the entire new system has so many flaws because of these echo chambers, it wouldn’t take months for these things to change if your reactions weren’t instantly extremely defensive

[twilit sentinel]

missions arent flaws they just dont fit with how you want to play the game

[vagrant frost]

Missions are flawed as hell

[twilit sentinel]

what makes you think so?

[royal lichen]

missions are cool there should just be more, overworld chests are fine I dunno what youre on about with those I recently played through the game again on a new class and it was really not bad, mythic rates have already been reduced but it wont fix the economy anytime soon

[twilit sentinel]

i wouldnt be against mythic rates being reduced even more ngl

[royal lichen]

I also think most people prefer the new system over the old

[vagrant frost]

There are 12, 5 of them are boring/usless. You are battling between effective pulls and power in the lr making pull ultimately the better choice. The rng involved is trash and leads to weird things like greys caping at 30. There are so many different reasons I have for who fucked the mission system is but overall it’s just fucking boring

[spiral totem]

weak mission point but the lootrun update yielding too many mythics was said over and over during beta

[vagrant frost]

The point is Ct doesn’t listen when desperately needed cause of overly defensive responses

Imo

[spiral totem]

i dont think the ct here gets to call that many shots

[vagrant frost]

I stand by missions in there current iteration are bad

They are still effectively the “best” commutation from player to developer

If developers or even salted would just be more open with the community CT wouldn’t have so much pressure but that’s a different topic

[twilit sentinel]

I agree that some missions are certainly underpowered compared to others and a larger variety would be nice but more useful feedback would probably be suggesting more missions / changes to existing missions rather than just saying get rid of them completely.

[vagrant frost]

My opinion is get rid of this trash system until you have something more than a half baked easy bake oven. I enjoyed 2.03 MUCH MORE than current missions

[twilit sentinel]

so maybe with stasis (which is meant to help with time management) but is currently not very useful at all it could be changed to buff green beacons for the rest of the run or something

[vagrant frost]

I think majority of that players will think of solution will only be bandaid solutions. Ultimately the mission update made lring even more rogue like and as a “rougue like game” lring can not stand on it own at all. If you aren’t lring for specific items in my opinion it’s not fun at all. Thus it’s fundamentally failing at what ever “system” is trying to be created

The “game loop” of lootrunning when from “relaxing” to semi stressful time management mixed with multi pathing and dianmic power scaling that is supposed to change from run to run without fundamentally change the power scaling of enemies. It’s just to many flaws stacked into each other with weird bandaid solutions like equalibrium

Idk it’s just not it for me. Compared to any other rogue like I enjoy playing. I can’t bring myself to enjoy lring anymore. It “doesn’t feel fun to start”

[twilit sentinel]

Imo lootrunning being less braindead makes it more fun for me, but then I normally only lootrun if there are mythics i want from the reward chest

pretty sure we just have different perspectives on what makes lootrunning fun ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vagrant frost]

This is the main problem people related getting the mythic they want to the enjoyment of lring. Once I’ve collected every mythic lootrunning now is the worst chore in the world

[twilit sentinel]

shiny mythics?

[vagrant frost]

I want to want to lootrun even if I don’t have an desired items in the loot pool

Shiny mythics are a fucking joke imo. They NEED custom skins imo

Shiny mythics are such a FLOP imo

[twilit sentinel]

there is definitely stuff they could do to make them cooler but thats a whole different topic

[vagrant frost]

Agreed

Ultimately these conversations only prove to me more and more how half baked the lr update really was. There are so many flaws that actually beta testing would buff out but because WYNN is fixated on hero beta even though it’s a trash system that limits beta testing to about .05% of the actually player base, then they take months to adjust things once it reaches the actual game since they are scared of the effects of fast changes. There are so many flaws with how Wynn creates and balances contents I could yap for a month about this. I’m just vastly disappointed by missions and how BORING THEYVE BEEN FOR MONTHS NOW. Like is I see one more redemption/higherroller taking 2/3 of my first mission again I’m going to break my desk. Who the fuck thought it is a great idea to have only 4 missions slots and to waste 1 99% of the time on this boring ass mission

It genuinely makes me mad

I can’t even describe how trash a decision it was to make missions limit 4 and have a challange cap of 100. There are so many things I think are so fucking dumb

“Unlimited greens and reds” reduced max challange cap by around 50-60 challanges

It’s just so many fucking dumb ass choices like that I don’t understand that ruin a potentially good system

Again I think none of this will actually be given any thought cause I didn’t put it in sunshine and rainbow terms for CT so 🫠

[spiral totem]

nah you forgot the constructive part

[royal lichen]

allat doesnt matter because nowadays more people engage with the lootrunning system than before so it was a success for them

[vagrant frost]

How do we even have the numbers for it?

Again from my understanding 2.03 lootrunning was much more popular that whatever the current population of lrs rn

[spiral totem]

2.03 lootrunning was most people getting 50 effective pulls coz they didnt know how to metagame with aqua. this is far more approachable, which would probably mean more people doing it

[vagrant frost]

Really? I guess being on the other end where I understood beacon spawn mechanics made 2.03 much more enjoyable for me personally

It’s like I feel the exact opposite. Now the shitty missions system feels way more unapproachable because of unnecessarily rng and annoying mechanics that takes control away from the player more and more

The only “bad” thing about 2.03 was 10 reroll meta was a lot. I personally have no problems with the reduction to rerolls it just I DO NOT enjoy almost any way to get 100/100 300 pull runs

Equalib is flawed (to much to say) cleanse is slow and boring. I miss the power spike of +50 curses. Having +18 now is just kinda lame and meh. I hate how beacon colors matter even less now. Idk

Oranges are pretty flawed with spawn mechanics soft locking you into the same aqua choices until your Orange runs out

[twilit sentinel]

Only beacon that gets locked is green right?

[vagrant frost]

And red

[twilit sentinel]

cos thats the only other one that you cant get twice in a row

[vagrant frost]

Red green and aqua all have weird spawn mechanics that make it annoying to max out oranges

To me the QoL of Lr only decreases with each updated added

I’m not even going to go in depth on the barrior hell that they made lring for a few months

OR THE FACT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BEGGING TO MAKE CAMPS BIGGER AND THEY JUST MAKE THEM SMALLER AND SMALLER

who the fuck thought that’s was a good choice. Imo it makes archer completely unplayable

There are so many flaws to lring imo

[twilit sentinel]

maybe if you suggest actual specific changes e.g. allow green and red beacons to appear twice in a row (possibly with a nerf to make up for them being mroe common) to stop orange beacons softlocking your beacon choices.
rather than just suggesting they revert the whole update as that is clearly never going to happen

[vagrant frost]

Mission idea thread

I’m too lazy to find the @. I do more than just complain

But WYNN rarely listens anyways

I just find no one actually talks about these issues then we have something like forgery that gets SO OUTDATED no one will touch it even when it desperately needs it

Cough cough 2nd room tcc is still a buggy mess after years of bug reports being ignored

Thus the solution of your going to neglect something to the point of it being a problem. Just remove it until you can have an adiquite fix

[arctic surge]

I read the message and that definitely did seem like his main point

[vagrant frost]

I can’t find it but 95% sure op said he doesn’t need to “replace” 2.04 lring just have the old style of lring still be viable in the “meta” imo by not having over world chests be nearly as garbage as they are currently

Ah I think I’m wrong

Whatever

Bonk, I still stand by the points I made in this thread/ also in the previous thread similar to this topic

[spiral totem]

i see no harm in other means of lr existing

[vagrant frost]

I agree

Also definitely a different thread topic. But I would like to see a change to overworld chest pools. It would be nice to have new items circle through them every once in awhile

[chilly monolith]

wdym “make camps bigger”?

[pallid delta]

camps should be small imo
corkus is a pain to run partly becasue of the caves but also partly because of the spacing between challenges

compared to molten where everythign is neatly packed together with little space in between

[chilly monolith]

yea thats why im confused by their statement, cause I don’t think anyone wants the size of camps to increase

[pallid delta]

if theyre talking about more challenges then yea noone would mind more challenges

[chilly monolith]

yea that might be what theyre referring to

[raw gulch]

well we arent like.. removing challenges tho

[pallid delta]

yea ion get what theyre saying either

[spiral totem]

i believe they meant individual challenges

the radius for some is very unkind

[pallid delta]

that could be it

[spiral totem]

the boop mechanic is very annoying also

[chilly monolith]

oh yea

ok that is what they meant seeing as they’re connecting it with archer being made worse

some of them are extremely small ye

[vagrant frost]

^

I swear there’s several where the diameter of the challange is like 8 blocks

[vagrant frost]

Also heavily agree corkus both has annoying caves but when the challange you wanna go to is over 1000+ blocks away it’s like are you kidding me .-.

Nieche criticism but I also with there was a better way to “generate more enemies” in lootrunning that isn’t just spawning super strong anti cheese mobs. +enemy spawn rate would be a funny curse imo and for me would help a lot with the feeling of lring just being a stat race against the same mobs over and over again

Kinda like the arena survival games like vampire survivors, it’s fun to just mindlessly kill hoards of mobs

Since or mobs don’t drop xp or items I don’t see it being op or abusable

[chilly monolith]

which ones in particular do you find to be too small?

there are 4 challenges i can think of that are too small

i am probably forgetting some though

[vagrant frost]

I wanted to get home and take screen shots but I think of 2 places in lutho. Like 3 places in corkus. Like 2 half spots in MH and sky I’m not sure since I don’t touch that place

But the self destruct ones by slime cave that’s a defend. The slay one on the upper side of eyeball Forrest with the seeds and tree area

Hard for me to describe spots better if I just got home, anyone think of other ones feel free to add

[chilly monolith]

yea those were the ones i was thinking of

i can’t picture the 2nd one in rodo

[vagrant frost]

For MH, I want to change 2 spots not maybe them bigger, there’s a defend one I want to add slabs to and the slay at the entrance to MH I want to move the blazes closer they spawn just a bit too far away then start flying up it gets annoying

Also in MH the ice dragon slay one could be a bit bigger imo

That challange could use a fair bit more walk room seeing as a massive pillar blocks 1/4 of it

[chilly monolith]

ok those werent the ones i had in mind at all for mh

but fair criticisms that i can agree with

[vagrant frost]

Ik someone else said this but the dragon head entrance being 1 block is very annoying eith max walk speed

[spiral totem]

corkus: brigand's hideaway, relos underpass
molten: flammagenitus
sky: i dont run that, i remember a 4 block radius destroy thing
SE: city statue, puppetry performance, spire of eyes, sludge locus, collapsed passage (better now), exiled garden

[vagrant frost]

^ I’ll have to look over but agree on all of these I think

[spiral totem]

Fruma: rebel hideaway, city square, tree of life

[vagrant frost]

Oh the smoke slay one at MH with shotgun attacks. That one is a bit small and awkward to fight in

[chilly monolith]

there are a fair few of these that I’ve never had any issues with but seeing as other people do, I’ll look into it

[vagrant frost]

What class do you lr on?

Most of my testing is olypia shaman and warp lightbender

[chilly monolith]

shaman, warrior and sometimes mage

[spiral totem]

SE ones leave almost no room to dodge, its not even that i want to sit on one block and snipe, but any movement is instantly rubber banded / spawns a swarm of sky enemies

[vagrant frost]

Ic, I swear who ever is in charge of balancing lring should be forced to lr on archer for a month just to actually see how awful it feels

[chilly monolith]

archer is definitely in a really horrible state for lootrunning right now ye

[spiral totem]

not if you play hmelee

[chilly monolith]

huh

[vagrant frost]

Rlly I struggled trying to make H melee work

[chilly monolith]

is melee lootrunning a thing that exists

[vagrant frost]

I wanted it to be .-.

[chilly monolith]

😔

[vagrant frost]

But boons don’t scale melee like the do spells thus spell spam meta is still around

[chilly monolith]

yea exactly

[vagrant frost]

My info is like 3 months out of date semi tho so don’t listen to me I can easily be wrong

[spiral totem]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1155296858692911145/1185131449888804865/89fygr.gif?ex=658e7eac&is=657c09ac&hm=0bfad3355c4bbd2df2d3e8ae92178cac304991175cb2fee488d3b3f99dfa2175&

twains arc buffs made it insane for crowd control and sustain

you dont need any boons besides %dmg and attributes

[chilly monolith]

which class are you using to make it spawn anti camp enemies btw

[spiral totem]

archer

[chilly monolith]

ah

[spiral totem]

puppetry performance example: wave spawns, i wanna briefly chill on a ledge and nuke enemies, get spawns almost instantly and they dont despawn

most other lootruns enemies despawn but not SE

also the slay defend near fallen factory spawns flying thing if you die and never despawns, it just spawncamps you

[chilly monolith]

the defend one you mean?

[spiral totem]

destroy

[chilly monolith]

no destroy near ff i believe

[spiral totem]

oh the second one yes

with burning (hot) men

[vagrant frost]

Ig when I tried H melee I just never felt like I had time to shoot I either had to move or watch anti camp mobs get scarily close to me before taking shots

[chilly monolith]

wait so are you talking about sanitizing robots or what?

[spiral totem]

thaats becausee i bet you didnt take leap as hmelee

[chilly monolith]

sorry, i got a bit confused

[vagrant frost]

Oh ya I hate leap it feels super awkward to me

[spiral totem]

no you got it right the first time, i said slay instead of defend

[chilly monolith]

ah ok 👍

[spiral totem]

nothing wrong with a little awkwardness among friends

[chilly monolith]

what is “almost instantly” btw? i wanna make sure the spawning conditions arent bugged

[vagrant frost]

Imo Wynn should add a 360 nonscope modifier, I just wanna use grapple to fly around nuking kids

[urban needle]

i feel like the whole thing with the anti-camp mobs just isn't the right solution to stop people camping

i think chriswildfire's idea of having some kind of mini greg watched phase during challenges would be a good solution, so you can't stay in one spot for too long, but aren't bombarded with flying mobs every few seconds that you have to touch the ground to despawn

the anti-camp mobs hit acro and bmonk especially hard, because just playing normally makes a bunch of extra mobs spawn, and then you have to stop fighting and touch the ground just so you can fight properly. if there was something like a watched phase every few seconds, it would keep you on your toes but not be too intrusive like a lot of anti-camp mobs are

[spiral totem]

Its probably 5 seconds as intended, hard to say in the heat of the battle

[chilly monolith]

kk

[vagrant frost]

Agree hard with ely. I dropped warrior because of anti camp mobs and extra annoying combat

And like I don’t even think about assassin, I literally forgot it was a class

[spiral totem]

The way seconds are counted is what makes it so punishing, say i go up for 2 seconds and at the last second it checks that im 'camping'. Then i go down for 4 seconds, and go back up for 2. It will spawn the things for me

[chilly monolith]

i see

[urban needle]

it can be really bad (at least for acro), you have to put yourself at risk to a ton of damage by touching the ground every few seconds

[chilly monolith]

so what would be the main benefit for having a “watched phase” thing instead of the current system? To make acro and bmonk more viable?

“more viable” aka not getting obliterated immediately

[urban needle]

it would be overall less intrusive, let archetypes that are airborne/need to stay on those ledges be able to do what they need to do, but not just sit there and destroy everything endlessly

you'd have to stay on your toes, but you could still play and fight normally

[urban needle]

and yea this

also, it wouldn't only be for acro and bmonk, archer would probably benefit a lot from being able to use their movement spell without spawning a bunch of extra mobs

[chilly monolith]

yeye

thanks for the feedback

[urban needle]

np, thanks for listening to it

[chilly monolith]

yw

[spiral totem]

Im glad we agreed that lootruns should go back to their previous state of looking for a world and speedrunning chests

[vagrant frost]

Agree you should have actual pvp during lrs

[chilly monolith]

nah bro i always got sniped

chests had 1 emerald

[vagrant frost]

Hey now chest have 8 emeralds .-.

[chilly monolith]

😭

[urban needle]

after 3 weeks of not opening it

[vagrant frost]

Real

[chilly monolith]

ok but flying chests

[urban needle]

early game doesn't have flying chests

[vagrant frost]

I have a 3+ week timer on everywhere I might throw on a old 200% lb set and show how bad it really is

[chilly monolith]

i got 8 mythics the past 2 days from flying chests lol

[urban needle]

dang

[vagrant frost]

Really wow my flying chest rates are awful

[chilly monolith]

yea regular chests are definitely awful

[vagrant frost]

Out of my like 20000+ ish flying chest (I’m guessing here) I’ve only ever gotten 1 mythic from is but like 9-13 from regular chest

Half were immolations .-.

[chilly monolith]

20000? 👀👀

[vagrant frost]

80x3 x 25ish

I like materism runs

So probably half that number maybe

[chilly monolith]

so 6000 / 2

thats still a lot tho damn

[vagrant frost]

I’d say way more than that

Idk I have like 500ish lrs I’ve probably done more than 25 materism runs

I try to only do 100/100 runs so maybe take like 10% of for failed runs

[chilly monolith]

i have like 400 lootruns and I’ve gotten like 20 mythics from flying chests i think

so thats really bad luck for you damn

[urban needle]

dang i got like 2 mythics from regular chests and none from flying chests

i don’t lootrun much lol

[chilly monolith]

fair enough

[vagrant frost]

I will admit I wish Wynn would just steal more from other rogue likes. Playing a bunch of different ones lately has really made me see how lacking of systems boons, missions, and even curses are

[spiral totem]

i play twains arc coz sniper from risk of rain 2 🙂

[vagrant frost]

It’s like there being no “final boss” there being no like “fun synergies” that change the dynamics of combat, it feels like a “boring stat race” cause you kinda just fundamentally do the same stuff start to finish with some exceptions like mana regen or health regen changing play style alittlle. But like there so quad shot brim stone like Isaac, there’s no overclock mechanic like deep rock galactic survivor

[vagrant frost]

Based

[spiral totem]

final boss for lootruns sound sick

make a thread

[chilly monolith]

Definitely a lot of interesting stuff to consider there

[analog harbor]

the final boss of lrs could be the lr chest lmao

[vagrant frost]

That would be so based lmao

Also based on my last thread I think someone else should make it, ima get gorgus to oblivion and back again

[spiral totem]

gotta post it on the website

[spiral totem]

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/the-accursed-casket-of-fright-and-incertitude.311263/

for some reason pics are broken

[analog harbor]

damn

lmao

[cloud mural]

i just decide what mobs look like, do, and are named for the most part

[spiral totem]

why'd you leave the anomaly with no name then???

[analog harbor]

LMAo

[cloud mural]

That which has no name

[zenith narwhal]

whar

[zenith narwhal]

send to me if you want

[zenith narwhal]

this was you, right?

[vagrant frost]

Yes

.-.

Just remember out of those 1346 items I “generated” I only got to see 36 of them and 12 of those slots were tomes. I truly think you should be able to have multiple pages of rewards I can’t express how deeply I feel this way

[gleaming owl]

Bro just take ur mythics and leave😂

[vagrant frost]

Ah yes getting access to .02% of the items I generate is totally not ridiculous

You’ve always had the most brain rot reactions imo

Then don’t defend your points because you just want other to hop on a flame war cause I don’t think you have anything of substance to actually say. That’s just my opinion tho

[blazing carbon]

i think the bigger issue is you spending 10 hours on that

[vagrant frost]

It was hero beta they wanted beta testers. Tealy specifically asked me to do a long lr

But a 🤡 like you wouldn’t understand that

So continue to spam the same brain dead response is just shows the levels of brain rot you have

[blazing carbon]

why are u trying to start arguments lol

[vagrant frost]

Why the fuck do you think tealy has the screenshot in the first place

[vagrant frost]

You @ me you dumb fuck

[blazing carbon]

you seem angry though

[vagrant frost]

I don’t like you. I still remember you being a WEIRDO from like 2 years ago

Imo ur just a annoying pos

[blazing carbon]

u cannot get me off ur mind...

[vagrant frost]

😂 again you @ me not the other way around

But try again buddy

[blazing carbon]

i send a laugh video and you start having a fit lol

past trauma

[vagrant frost]

You spam the same brain dead response and I call you an idiot

[fallow wadi]

what if youre both idiots

[vagrant frost]

🤷‍♂️

[blazing carbon]

im bean member

[vagrant frost]

Ur just cringe

[blazing carbon]

Why would u say tht

[blazing carbon]

Will you forgive me

[vagrant frost]

I wish mythics weren’t the only thing people cared about lring for

[blazing carbon]

Do not let your anger control you.

[vagrant frost]

Like if I could I would target farm ruins for a few lootruns ect

I think having more collectible items that actively get used would be good things to add to loot pool. Like imagine if there were speed surges that give speed 5, I would be hype to collect those while lring

[blazing carbon]

u just derailed it lol

[vagrant frost]

So no you have nothing to add. Please stfu then

[blazing carbon]

interrupted your own stream of thoughts wth

[vagrant frost]

No I’m getting thread back to a topic and telling you to stfu of you are going to continue to be a fucking weirdo

[blazing carbon]

can u stop insulting me please

[vagrant frost]

Leave 🤷‍♂️

[blazing carbon]

this a free discord

[vagrant frost]

Don’t start a flame war you can’t handle

You started this all with some shit post response

[blazing carbon]

dont let your anger control you

[vagrant frost]

^

[blazing carbon]

that post is filled with insults

idk why you replied to that

[vagrant frost]

^ back to an actual topic I’m tired of this clown

[blazing carbon]

thank you…

[spiral totem]

Wtf

[real aurora]

damn yall need some friends

[crystal dome]

fake zt!?

[real aurora]

who is zt?

[blazing carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/mirror-gif-7843063

[cloud mural]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1211669472641814549/1212025353103614002/laugh.mp4?ex=65f05592&is=65dde092&hm=ff45b0ffe51ef51deaf5d88a8fffad826d64dd44f81f9cdd8e4147d35519c1f1&

I'm saving this

[blazing carbon]

lol

[trail star]

i have to interact with overworld chests a lot on my ironman and i can confidently say that they are absolutely not fine, specifically the chests under level 86, getting some lower level items is pure suffering with the way the chests are rn

e.g. I've done like 10 swamp/troms jungle lootruns and I'm yet to find a jera from a chest (with 470lb)

higher level chests are honestly fine thanks to the challenge reward chests and flying chests which cover the 86-104 level range (with level 95 being a funny exception to that)

the 80-85 items can sometimes appear in a lootrun camp reward pool (other than SE) but the chance for the one specific item to appear is very low so its not a particularly reliable option