Guardian change

[summer garnet]

right now guardian has a 1/5s mana regen stat for some reason. this is completely useless since we have switched to 2.0 mana, i suggest buffing to 3-13/5s but any buff is good

[unborn sorrel]

There is a reason behind this

It’s a stupid reason but it’s a lost cause regardless

[summer garnet]

whats the reason

[unborn sorrel]

Let me see if i can find it

[scenic nacelle]

If this was upscaled like nonmythic items on 2.0 release, it would be 2-8 mana regen since the base was normally changed from 1 to 6

Pretty much every mythic with something mana-related that did not roll in 1.20 was not updated, which is why this exists and items like Inferno and Epoch still only have -1 costs. These are scattered over all sorts of mythic weapons

Only thing I can think of that was upscaled was Thrundacrack's -uppecut cost

[summer garnet]

ok then 2/5s-8/5s

[unborn sorrel]

#1027278119196971078 message

[summer garnet]

oh yeah i was going to point out the -1 spell costs as well but assumed they were more useful

[unborn sorrel]

Basically they dont want mythics to change value

Currently already existing mythics*

[summer garnet]

this is truly so sand

maybe this will be addressed in 2.1 the balancing update

[graceful scarab]

im gonna be real tweaking a few values on mythics isnt enough for a major update

get real

[unborn sorrel]

Whats ur take on the actual thread

[modern forge]

What about the 1 mr armor tome

[graceful scarab]

There is 0 take to be had

[summer garnet]

i never said it would be all that was adressed in 2.1 the balancing update

[graceful scarab]

It's already been explained why it's like that

[summer garnet]

i just said it would be one thing adressed in 2.1 the balancing update

[scenic nacelle]

Looked through the weapons, looks like the only other nonrolling things that then became rollable were Warp and Monster's +heal costs
Everything else is still nonrolling if it wasn't before

[unborn sorrel]

Real, thats why im not upvoting even it only is the way it is because of a trade market reason, im not upvoting a lost cause

[graceful scarab]

Fair

[unborn sorrel]

They might as well just remove the stat

[scenic nacelle]

This came up somewhat recently in a post, Selvut is aware and it was not intended
Also it's a weapon tome

[graceful scarab]

Ehhh

Give me my one extra mr when I'm soloing with guardian in wars!

[modern forge]

Ah

[graceful scarab]

Means I can kill the tower faster!

[unborn sorrel]

If wynn was a popular game it would be massively clowned on for having useless mr stats on the best items

[modern forge]

Why did clicking this bug my discord aaaaa it says there’s 26 new constructive feedback posts

[unborn sorrel]

Sorry 😞

[summer garnet]

mine says 61 new lmao

[graceful scarab]

Well anyways this thread doesn't matter anymore so I'm gonna leave it

[modern forge]

Byebye

[pseudo mica]

post about Guardian so i am obligated to leave a comment
Most of what I think has already been stated here, but I would enjoy if they upscaled this stat. Unfortunately, it would in fact nuke the value of some existing Guardians so I understand why it has to be this way. I may just be a bit biased since my Guardian's true mana regen roll is actually good

[full ermine]

just make it 4/5 manaregen and leave it their (a gurenteed stat) (or 3/5) so atleast it has some use

[rocky briar]

flavor ids have got to be the worst concept to be in the game

but the entire team loves it

because it contributes to whatever lore idea they have for the item

or whatever inside joke that they can laugh about

or if its just impossible to remove the value because its too much effort

[soft crest]

god forbid the ct have fun when making items, we can’t have that

[summer garnet]

me when new fruma mythic has +1 to +2 health (someone rolled almost perfect but price dropped by 30 stacks bc they rolled +1 health)

[rocky briar]

they can have as much fun as they want if they dont compromise the item itself

it just gives another excuse for the item makers to justify items further and not change anything

[unborn sorrel]

I mean if the community didnt throw a tantrum each time there was an economy shift then we could have reasonable mana stats on mythics

[soft crest]

how is adding 1 mana regen to an item “compromising” it
it’s not like having an extra flavor stat ruins the item and makes it unusable
what is the issue here

[rocky briar]

if there wasn’t any reason to leave the economy in a state over multiple years they wouldn’t have any tantrums

[rocky briar]

cataclysm -1st

[soft crest]

okay but like what’s wrong with that

sure it doesn’t make sense to the average player, but is that -1 spell cost really enough to get so pissed about

[rocky briar]

it should’ve just gotten rid of

[soft crest]

but why what’s so bad about having that spell cost reduction

[rocky briar]

because it used to have an equivalent to thrunda’s -3rd

[soft crest]

so one mythic gets changed and one doesn’t, what’s the huge issue? cataclysm is broken as it is, the last thing it needs is a buff

[rocky briar]

it did get changed though

it got rollable 3rd cost 1-5 compared to cata joke flavor -1st

[soft crest]

that’s what i just said

cataclysm does not need a buff

i don’t see what the big problem with this is

[rocky briar]

i dont like what they are implying for like future items if they keep doing this

but maybe its just a result of trying to change literal 3 year old items to fit with a new mana and abilities system

[soft crest]

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