Add skipping parkour for quests/dungeons

[cerulean nacelle]

I believe I'm not the only ones constantly stuck at parkours like in eo or some other ones banning teleport. Maybe soul points sacrifice or smth but we do need a function like that

[hardy steppe]

uh oh

[cloud grove]

no comment but ❌

[cyan raven]

lets also add a skip to 105 command accessible if you have champion+
(srs response: adding a skip content button is worse than not doing anything about the parkour, it just encourages people to not try and soul points are on their way out anyway)

[paper garden]

We do not need a function like that, and like only 2 parkours in the whole game are more than just 3 block jumps

Accessibility for EO and Realm of Light 4(?) parkour makes sense but not outright skipping it

[worn comet]

you can skip to the end of the dungeon (and the closest respawn point!) by doing /kill!

[paper garden]

It’s bugged for some reason and doesn’t give you the dungeon rewards, it’s weird the devs have just left a bug like that in

[worn comet]

ikr

[frosty violet]

I just wanna know why we ”do need a function like that”

[civic void]

y'know i saw the OP's pfp and for a second i thought cmosier had genuinlly made an L post

[tender vapor]

Only room in any dungeon that deserves being removed is the one in IB and CIB where it's got the eyes and the invis ice

[clever maple]

how do u manage to still be stuck on eo parkour

[civic void]

Skill issue?

[paper garden]

Or some disabilities

Not an insult, some disabilities just make it hard

[cloud grove]

being wheelchair bound irl prevents you from walking in game

[hardy steppe]

holy shit talk about immersive

imagine if we got next gen VR like in sword art online and it did that

"sorry bruhh, your brain just doesnt know how to imagine it so.... go be a paraplegic paladin!

[cloud grove]

Some wynncraft players will no longer be able to invest skill points in intelligence

[hardy steppe]

LOL

[gray nacelle]

runebound chains gamer irl 😎

[forest cobalt]

That's a really shitty take, lol, you don't have to be wheelchair bound to have mobility issues.

I know MC has a large young community but come on, show some basic respect for others. Not everything is a meme.

[cloud grove]

It's not a take, it's a joke

I obviously do not want to emulate a player's real life physical disability in the game for "immersion"

Nor did I say that being wheelchair bound was the only mobility issue a person could have

... And for the record I'm not a child. I have no doubt that you are older than me, but I'm an adult. I'm in college. I'm typing this on my phone in my dorm on campus. I'm not some child gnawing on the corner of mommy's ipad.

[arctic citrus]

im gonna be real that was very obviously a joke...

😟

[hardy steppe]

yeah

[rocky karma]

soul point sacrifice

[worn comet]

how about 10stx to skip a parkour

[rocky karma]

people that cant complete parkours wont have that kind of money

[drowsy basin]

would make some great backstories for our chars owo

[modern aspen]

Oh boy another EO parkour post

[frosty violet]

Eo being the one and only example cant be a coincidence!

[cerulean nacelle]

cuz that one is too tricky

wastes too much time

[frosty violet]

Whats tricky about it?

[cerulean nacelle]

idk wht kind of great skills u have but I'm rubbish at parkour and from my own perspective, the game should focus on fighting. I understand that multiple elements like minigames and parkour are involved to make the game more fun, but they shouldn't be the elements that get in the way of game process

[frosty violet]

Parkour are part of the game otherwise they wouldnt exist, and EO parkor is best example of something either instantly get hang of, or you physically can not do it, therefor it has nothing to do with tricky

They even updated the parkour so i dont understand what the issue is with it now

[cerulean nacelle]

pls understand I'm so rubbish at it. Last time I tried it took me 1.5h to finish it

so smth getting sacrificed for skipping is reasonable isn't it?

all other parkours are kinda okay tho

unless u count the one in the dungeon near Troms(the bounce pad one), that one is rather hard without skipping

[cerulean nacelle]

In case I didn't make it clear, I meant that someone may be stuck at some point of the game because they don't have enough lvl/health/dps, but shouldn't be stuck because they're not good at parkour

[frosty violet]

The thing is that this is a video game dungeon and in video games its perfectly fine to be stuck on a stage of the game and having a currency used for blatant skipping parts of the game is just wrong. What you should question though is that ”did this take me 1.5 hours because I skill issued or is it because I have a visual impairment?” and if its the second then its fine to suggest that something should be done to help

[cerulean nacelle]

but it's rpg bro

[frosty violet]

The genre doesnt define the whole game

[cerulean nacelle]

fighting is the main line isn't it?

Why does combat xp get shown on the exp bar not "parkour xp"?

[frosty violet]

And since you see Wynn as nothing more than an rpg you can just play another rpg?

[cerulean nacelle]

cuz it's not only rpg

[frosty violet]

So you want CT to just remove every parkour and puzzle in every quest and dungeon then

[cerulean nacelle]

I understand other elements are added for fun but getting stuck on other elements…… that means they get overimportant

that's utter misunderstanding. I think other parkours are okay cuz they're identical to vanilla parkour

I think probably the biggest issue is the particle that has slight latency of some hundreds of miliseconds

it makes people misjudge their positions

i never complained about any other parkour even tho I got stuck for minutes because the skills can be developed fast and their difficulties are within my acceptence and concept for "an element applied to boost game entertainment"

[frosty violet]

Did you try the parkour using a different build (with more/less walkspeed/jump height)?

[cerulean nacelle]

I even tried doing it empty handed without any armours

and ones with jump height and movement speed boosts\

[frosty violet]

If you played the game the way its intended you should have a Double Vision at this point which should help A LOT

[cerulean nacelle]

I'll go check

oh that one

[frosty violet]

It gives walkspeed and 1-4 jump height, I use that if I want to do Point of No Return easier

Aka adapting to the obstacle

[cerulean nacelle]

in that case i think maybe we can add a message to players failing too many times to use that?

[civic void]

#1178620695832444928 message

they made changes already, and they probably aren't gonna make anymore

[cerulean nacelle]

well aphantasia is not a rare disease

but ye why not just advise players who keep failing to use double vision or smth like it

[civic void]

cause wynn players are notouriously unhelpful

this is a true and factual statement

[frosty violet]

At lvl 101 the player should know that theres walkspeed and jump height items but if im completely honest, I think that eo parkour is a difficulty spike because most prior parkours are too easy

The player should be indirectly taught earlier that ”aha there are items that can make parkours easier”

[cerulean nacelle]

yeah

because u cant go back to Lutho, get it, and resume the parkour

[frosty violet]

You can but people are just stubborn and rather bruteforce the parkour

[stark trench]

some? most, including myself

[royal marsh]

ICo in absolute shambles

[hardy steppe]

oh…

[meager owl]

Don’t like a lot of players have trouble with EO parkour

Still don’t understand how some people here fail to understand that just because they’re able to breeze through it doesn’t mean others would have the same degree of perception/ object permeance needed for this

I would understand if it’s only like, 1 or 2 guys

But I have seen way too many
You just logically have to accept that some people simply can’t physically complete this

[worn comet]

how does aphantasia effect parkours?

[cloud grove]

Its not really something that can be accommodated by anyone though

An absence of visual imagination can't really be supplicated by anything

[cerulean nacelle]

that's just a statement for the last post identical to this one where some people said it has smth to do with visual imagination

[frosty violet]

I never understood that though, you dont have to visualize something in the head to do the parkour

[gray nacelle]

my client is bugged so the platforms are invisible for me for some reason

[worn comet]

Aphantasia is where you cant visualise stuff in your head
...which doesnt effect parkour in the slightest
Source: i have aphantasia

[dense berry]

is this thread still going

seems to be decided

[rocky karma]

I thought people were so imminent recently about having this added, yet somehow now they are not

[cerulean nacelle]

as I said it's not my own argument. It's merely a possible explanation for people who suggested this before who used Aphantasia as their supportive facts

[worn comet]

if you don't understand a point enough to use it, then don't.

it just weakens your overall argument

[clever maple]

rereading this, it sounds like ur basically saying "i cant skip some parkours with movement spells so please add a skip button to fix that"

also to anyone who is going to make a disability argument, please get someone with that first hand experience before bringing it up because im so tired of ppl just saying "oh but someone might have x disability which makes parkour near impossible and if u try to argue with me im going to call u ableist"

[paper garden]

Most people bringing the argument up are saying there should be toggleable options to hopefully help alleviate it

[brazen zenith]

“My perspective” ain’t your game bruh

I do agree some parkour needs to be made easier or more inclusive

[dense berry]

[cerulean nacelle]

just stating my own point without making it sound self-centered

[arctic citrus]

i disagree that the game should focus on fighting

the game should focus on quests

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[frosty violet]

If it wasnt for quests i probably wouldnt play

[arctic citrus]

quests are objectively the main content of the game

[gray nacelle]

I agree and I also feel that a lot of quests lose pacing on parcour sections, especially in corkus

[arctic citrus]

You failed the sewers of ragni parkour didn't you

🫵

[gray nacelle]

My first time the pillar refused to fall until i seitched servers and i was so confused

[arctic citrus]

Only parkour I remember in corkus quests was scaling the plant in feathers fly(?)

Oh and the snake section in the envoy

[hardy steppe]

dude i have never had a problem with parkour until i just did fucking The Breaking Point grappling hook on my laptop

ive only ever done it on a pc, where i had no isse, but idfk if its the track pad or what (the "what" = skill issue) but my hook literally NEVER registered an input it was mind boggling. eventually i got it but i was literally on the verge opf writing a bug report because it kept teleporting me back to a checkpoint even AFTER i was moving upwards toward a platform

[cerulean nacelle]

yes but why shouldn't combat be the main line of an rpg, or to make a clearer, combat should be the decisive factor of whether or not a player can finish the quest instead of getting the player stuck just because they are rubbish at parkour

[arctic citrus]

Because quests are the main line of this rpg

Not all quests have combat

Nor should have combat

Dont force combat into being the "decisive factor" of whether you can complete a quest

Thumbs down

👎

[cerulean nacelle]

maybe combat isn't but neither should parkour be

[arctic citrus]

Parkour also isnt

You might need to have a miniscule amount of skill to do parkour

But that's also true for combat

Should we allow people to skip combats because they aren't skilled enough to do it?

Also there are parkours that are already skippable in quests

Take lexdale witch trials quest for example

If you fail too much/take too much time it'll tp you to the end of that section

[cerulean nacelle]

amongst all the elements combat is one of the most important otherwise combat xp won't be on the xp bar and u dont need to reach a certain level to unlock new quests etc.

that I agree cuz I actually failed too many times on that canary quest so I skipped

will you be able to skip it on a game that examines your reflex or prejudgement?

it's a fact that fighting takes up say 50% of the game contents, for example, dungeons, raids, quests, lootruns etc. so u cant skip it or else the game is shrunken by half

[arctic citrus]

I'm gonna be real idek the point you are arguing for anymore

There was already an accessibility thing added to eo

The actually hard parkours in quests are already skippable

Idk what more you want

[cerulean nacelle]

wht accesibility thing has been added? I didnt know

[arctic citrus]

There is a red dot when looking down

Below where you are standing

Let's you judge where you are with that alone

[cerulean nacelle]

tbh it has a slight latency that makes me misjudge my own position but maybe just my own problem

[cloud grove]

You can make the same argument for puzzles

And for combat as well

Why should the player get stuck on a quest because they're rubbish at puzzle solving?

Why should a player get stuck on a quest because they're rubbish at combat?

[cerulean nacelle]

but puzzles have answers in the wiki

[cerulean nacelle]

as for this one, as I have said, u cant skip parkour in a parkour server cuz it's greatly important, but parkour does not have that much importance, unlike combat

[cyan raven]

as much of a hypocrite (being a user and maker of wiki pages) i might be for saying this: i hate this line of reasoning

[arctic citrus]

Fr...

[cloud grove]

Most players won't use the wiki, and some puzzles are randomly generated based on a few criteria

[cyan raven]

what madeline said

[arctic citrus]

Also I'm gonna be honest

Using the wiki to solve your puzzles is lame

Just figure it out on your own...

[cyan raven]

yea it sucks the fun out of doing a quest and finding the solution in the first place

[cloud grove]

I think it's pretty obvious considering 1 person other than yourself supports this, but it's just not a good idea

[arctic citrus]

Yea

[cyan raven]

also (idk if this is rubbing salt in the wound at this point): dont like your own post

[arctic citrus]

Lmao

[cyan raven]

it gives off the impression you're desperate for updoots and/or made this post just for them instead of genuinely wanting to improve the game (it also skews reactions to favor your side if its a more controversial idea at the start but i dont think it matters at this point)

[hardy steppe]

name one quest that doesnt have combat

[arctic citrus]

cooks assistant

[hardy steppe]

u kill chickens for eggs?

[arctic citrus]

unless you count attacking a passive mob "combat"

[hardy steppe]

(yeah ok i guess not)

[arctic citrus]

theres underwater

[hardy steppe]

fuck

[arctic citrus]

supply and delivery

pit of the dead

dwelling walls

[hardy steppe]

wait actually there's some combat at the end of the cave underwater

[arctic citrus]

of what

pit of the dead?

no?

thats a passive "mob" that does not attack you in return

[arctic citrus]

different cave

also you dont even need to go through that cave to get the breathing helmet

you dont have to touch that cave period

all you have to do is go to the guy

deja vu doesnt have combat

[hardy steppe]

oooh ur right, i didnt read the part above the mob list

[arctic citrus]

dont believe meaningful holiday does but id have to double check

[hardy steppe]

dwelling walls is a good example

pit of the dead has enemies on the way in tho

[arctic citrus]

thats fair

but anyways i think the point im getting at is hitting

there are 100% quests that do not have combat

[hardy steppe]

you are correct

[cloud grove]

Point of No Return arguably

[hardy steppe]

no hands, just trauma 😭

[cloud grove]

If killing chickens isn't combat then killing Eyeless isn't. They have red names but don't do anything

they're just there to spook you

[frosty violet]

Heart of llevigar

Murder Mystery

???

Then theres stuff like Aldoreis Secret and Feathers Fly where the combat is so easy at its level that it might as well not exist

Taproot has no combat except for one very easy gatekeeper guy?

Pirates Trove

And theres also a lot of quests where only 1 stage features combat and the other 5 main stages isnt combat, like A Maraduer Dues and Enter the Dojo

[frosty violet]

Oh and that harry potter inspired quest doesnt have combat except for 1 of the classes